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EPISODE · Oct 25, 2025 · 40 MIN

Open Source Retreat, September-October 2024: “Sickness and Medicine,” 2nd night talk: Tenney

from Desert Rain Zen · host Tenney Nathanson

Send us Fan MailTenney gives the second night talk on “Sickness and Medicine,” discussing the Blue Cliff Record commentary on the case and bringing in a few anecdotes, from both his own practice history and the Open Source community. Hakuin says that if you take the phrase “sickness and medicine cure each other” as itself being medicine, that’s a big mistake (it’s too glib). Sickness isn’t “quelled” so simply, through a formula or an upbeat attitude, one-and-done. If not, what might the koan ask of us, and what might it offer us? *About us:Desert Rain Zen is located in Tucson, Arizona. But almost all our activities take place on Zoom or as hybrid events, so you don't need to live here to practice with us.  Desert Rain Zen podcasts are free. If you'd like to support our podcasting and other activities, you can make a tax-deductible donation on our website at https://www.desertrainzen.org/donate.html  For more information you can email us at [email protected] or find us at https://www.desertrainzen.org/ and on Facebook.You can also find additional teachings and updated information about Tenney's various activities at https://tenneynathanson.com/ and on his Substack at https://tenneynathanson.substack.com/p/about-tenneynathansonzen

Send us Fan Mail Tenney gives the second night talk on “Sickness and Medicine,” discussing the Blue Cliff Record commentary on the case and bringing in a few anecdotes, from both his own practice history and the Open Source community. Hakuin says that if you take the phrase “sickness and medicine cure each other” as itself being medicine, that’s a big mistake (it’s too glib). Sickness isn’t “quelled” so simply, through a formula or an upbeat attitude, one-and-done. If not, what might the koan...

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