Osborn, John Jay: A Marriage as a Separate Entity

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Click here to begin listening (http://www.radio4all.net/files/[email protected]/1197-1-OSBORN_INTERVIEW_12-14-18_IA_Publish-1_.mp3) “Listen to the Marriage” is a novel by John Jay Osborn, a retired lawyer and law professor. The story centers a marriage counselor and a recently separated couple with demanding jobs and two small children. All thirty-one short chapters take place in the therapist’s office and reveal the angst, anger, and hidden love that the couple Gretchen and Steve, have for each other. Sandy, the therapist guides the sessions, while keeping her thoughts about her clients to herself. An empty green chair representing their marriage sits between Gretchen and Steve during each visit. “Listen to the Marriage” is Osborn’s sixth novel, the first one being “The Paper Chase,” published in 1971, a year after he graduated law school. “Listen to the Marriage” is based in part on the experience Osborn and his wife had with a marriage counselor beginning about ten months after they separated in the mid 1980s. They remain happily married. John Osborn visited the Radio Curious studios by phone from his home in San Francisco, California, on December 14, 2018. We began our conversation with his description of the therapist’s goal: To get the couple to look at the marriage they created as being separate from themselves. The book John Jay Osborn recommends is “Happy All the Time,” by Laurie Colwin. The program was recorded on December 14, 2018.

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