Hey, it's Kevin O'Connor. Every week for seven years, Chris Byrne and I have been discussing and debating the NBA for the ringer, and if you didn't know it, we're now on our own podcast feed called The Mismatch. It's appropriately named because of our differing views and approaches to the NBA, whether it's news and rumors or the latest games. And I love our show because we'll go from yelling at each other about tanking to laughing about something that happened in a game the night before.
It's my favorite part of every week, so give The Mismatch a listen every Tuesday and Friday on Spotify. I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Davins. And this is a big picture, a conversation show about mean girls and beautiful boys.
Later in this episode, I'll be joined by Andrew Scott, the star of all of us strangers who listeners may know as Hot Priest from Fleabag or Moriari from Sherlock. Andrew is magnificent in all of us strangers. It's wonderful to chat with him about the film. It's a fascinating moment in his career.
You know, he's about to play Ripley on Netflix. I do know that. Yeah, so very exciting. I hope you'll stick around for my conversation with him.
But we've got a trilogy of content to hit through. We've got Oscar predictions. Look at you, just branding, packaging, marketing. Right off the top.
There you go. Magazine training executed in audio form. Oscar predictions to start. Then a discussion of the film Mean Girls, which is a remake of the musical Mean Girls, which is a remake of the film Mean Girls.
Yes. And then we'll discuss all of us strangers before I talk to Andrew, which is a very normal confluence of topics, emotions, experiences. Yeah. I think what lives inside my heart is actually related to all three of those topics.
So I think we've got some union here. Let's talk Oscars. We're just a few days away from the 2024 Oscar nominations. Is this the 96th Academy Awards?
I think that's right. You've seen all 95 iterations previously. That's true. We're doing the tape.
Yeah. So you're a milk- I spend my weekends at the Academy Archive. So you micro-featured. People know I love archives in general, so.
Well, they involve Sophia Coppola. You do. She had an archive. That's something you enjoyed.
Yeah, that's one. You feel like we're going to nail this now? We're going to go through eight critical categories, and we're going to just give collaboratively our predictions for the five and ten. I think that we'll get, like, a solid B, you know?
Like, maybe, like, 84%. Okay. Okay. You know?
Yeah. Seems get degrees here on the picture, so I'm not worried. We're going to do well. I think we're going to do well.
But there are always one or two surprises, and that's what makes the Oscars fun, and that is what makes this exercise fun, because we got a little humiliated, but sometimes there are good surprises, so then we were, like, so excited that we didn't be mad. Remember that? It was like, you didn't come in? You know why?
Because I was in New York, and I was staying at Soho House? No, Soho House. Not Soho House, but the Soho, what's the Soho Hotel? The Soho Grand.
The Soho Grand. Yes. It was lovely, and I had coffee, and was just watching the Oscar nominations at the normal hour of 8.30 EST, as opposed to the 5.38 or whatever that's going to be happening this What's the earliest I can get you in the studio? In the studio?
Oh, boy. I want to do it in the studio. There's a magic in the studio, Amanda. Okay.
What about if we did it in radio? Okay. We can do that. Because that, like, I can roll over at 7.
We can do that. But there's something, because... I have coffee waiting for you at the house. I'll bring coffee as well, and donuts.
But it's really, it's driving the minimal miles to your home versus, like, commuting. I see. Um, I'm in. Okay.
Bobby, you're going to have to work out some of those technical issues? Yeah. But I can be there. I can be there at 7 a.m.
And 8 a.m. That's fantastic. We've got to get the content to the people who need the content as soon as possible. We are first responders when it comes to awards.
Yes. In all other ways, we are eighth responders. But in this particular case... You don't need to say that to me as a woman who delayed the birth of her child for the Oscar nominations announcement.
You were right to do that, and you were also right on last week's episode where we discussed the potential Best Picture nominees. I'll tell you why. The PGA nominations came out. Yeah.
And you've been saying to me for months, this is an international body. Let's not overlook the zone of interest. Let's not overlook Anatomy of a Fall. Let's not overlook past lives.
And I've been saying to you, what about Hollywood, that grand old town that makes films like The Color Purple and Across the Spireverse? And what about big ticket items and all the below-the-line folks who worked hard on those films? And you said, no. Jonathan Glazer will have his day.
And the PGA, the Producers Guild of America, they agreed with you. I'd like to read a text that you sent me at 9.48 a.m. last Friday. And I'm going to enter it into the record since no one else has.
PGA noms. You were right, Amanda! Exclamation point. I think I texted you that just so you would read it on the pod.
I think it's all part of the psychological game. You were right. You were right the whole time. And it's particularly interesting because, of course, the PGA historically does go for more conventional mainstream fare in their nominations.
This is the body that nominated Knives Out Once Upon a Time. So with that in mind, it's unusual that films like The Zone of Interest and Past Lies that are smaller, intimate, complicated, art house movies, really, are nominated among the 10 films here. And I think the 10 that you felt like were the 10 when we last spoke are probably going to be the 10. We won't spoil our predictions quite yet, but it sure feels close, right?
Yes. The PGA's were a surprise even to me, even though I do see all and understand all. There's always one... I don't know a single pundit who had all of those things in it.
God love the PGA's. You know, they're for the people. So there's always something goofy in there. Maybe in Wonder Woman.
Right. There's a chance that Sulphurim could be on that list. I mean, maybe not, but... No, it's not in the realm of possibility.
But something that has connected with audiences, shall we say, as opposed to these two wonderful movies that many people just haven't had the chance to see yet. So that is surprising. The PGA's, to me, more cement the suspicions that movies like The Color Purple are probably not going to crack it in because that is a film that had an initial huge audience nomination would propel it into the race. And it just kind of seems like it hasn't quite gotten the boost.
Yeah, I feel like that's dead. It feels like Air is dead. It feels like Spider-Verse is dead. May December, I'm not totally thrown in the towel, but between getting snubbed at Sag entirely and then nothing here, you know, you sort of wonder.
It seems unlikely that it's going to get in. That does feel like a movie, though, that could represent one of those surprises that you're talking about. You never know. Because it's clearly...
Todd Hines is admired, but maybe not beloved by the Academy. And there's a fine line there. Critics' Choice Awards also happened over the weekend. Did you watch those?
I didn't. I did watch the Emmys. Wow. Oh, I saw you recap them on Jam Session.
Yes. Well, and I should be clear, I DVR'd the Emmys, cared for my child and your child while you watched the failing sports team. I was going to be there in solidarity with my brothers. And I think you were.
I think I was a very good actor from that event. And I then went home and fast-forwarded through the Emmys. And there was like a solid hour of all the variety of talk shows, et cetera, that I just skipped. But I saw the production of the show, which is a TV show.
I mean, they tried. It was kind of interesting. You know, they reunited all of these, all the different casts. Like, Cheers, Martin, Sopranos, Grey's Anatomy, Ally McBeal.
I like all those shows, but I also don't care about TV. Like, it can't be for terms of endearment. Like, people don't, there is a little bit of a confusion there with what is beloved. I think about this all the time in our general movie culture, where it's sort of like, 1997 is now as far as some people go back.
So you've got to be mindful of that when you're making a TV show. It's your point. You want to get young people watching the show, show me the cast of Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man. That is movie history for a lot of people, so you've got to be wise about that.
But it's a very good point. Great choice. I watched some of the show. I thought also it was like a pretty coherent broadcast in a way that The Globes just was not.
I watched a lot of the surrounding content, including just a lot of focus on the food, which I had some concerns about. It really looked like they were just being served airplane food. Like, and it came in little boxes. I've been to those kinds of events.
Yeah, sure. The Globes got no boo. Don't eat there. Right, of course.
And it's not like anyone any of these words has eaten in the past six months. But there was just something about the basic indignity of the Delta charcuterie box, you know, being placed in front of all these people. But I was like, let's elevate slightly. Everyone there was holding out so they could follow Paul G.
Monty's lead and line up in and out. Did you know that literally Emily Blunt was like, I'm going to go to In-N-Out after this? And was explaining it to people? I was like, Emily, that's already a reused bit.
Like, what are you doing just trying to glom on to Paul G. Monty's? The only member of the Oppenheimer campaign trail who somehow failed. Yeah.
And I know that was a funny bit for us three months ago, but not to worry because she's not in any jeopardy of winning. Yeah. But they were talking about In-N-Out. Then there was something in Paul G.
Monty's acceptance speech about pizza in a bag. I didn't catch that. Okay. Or something.
Maybe it was behind the scenes. I'm concerned about the food. But the winners were somewhat interesting. Well, in the big six categories, they just match the Globes.
And so it's Frontrunners with the exception that there's no comedy or musical. Exactly. And so the awards went to Emma Stone for Best Actress and Paul G. Monty for Best Actor.
Why is there not an Oscars for the pods? Like, what would you be eligible for? What award? If there was a pod Oscars.
I know there is a podcast award, but it's owned by a company that owns podcasts. Right. Though, if you read Oscar awards, or really any history of the Academy Awards, I mean, it was basically started by the studios to promote their own, you know, and funded by the same people. But it was a conglomeration, not one company.
Sure, but it's a little, I mean, we're not, you know, we're covering ourselves in ours. The ringer will now host and produce the podcast awards. Nominated in the category of Best Podcast Hosts, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey, CR, Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, Ryan Russillo, Mallory Rubin, Danny Heifetz. Who else is on this?
I can keep going. We all compete at Yossi's together? Yeah, of course. That's the award show.
Yossi really wants to come on the big picture. I'm aware. We met at Whole Foods. I heard.
She told me all about it. We met at Whole Foods instead of at the ringer offices or at any event that we both attended. It is my solemn promise to Yossi's that she will be on the big picture in 2024 through 2027. I haven't chosen a date yet.
She will definitely be on the pod at some point. The Amanda Yossi thing, we're all kind of sorting it out. We're all trying to make room, you know, like, I'm going to have to turn it down a little bit so you guys can kind of operate together. But I look forward to it.
I look forward to it as well. I did not meet her at Rob Harville's event, but I was in attendance. I was very moved by what she had to say about Whole Foods. So, you know, it will be a beautiful thing when it happens.
Also, we had a lovely time at Whole Foods on a Saturday morning. That's nice. That's where you both belong. I will say, as does your husband and myself.
My Whole Foods and I attend. I feel like I also run into you at the same Whole Foods. That's where every person between the age of 37 and 58. Also, so Alan Siegel there was.
Look at that. The ringer family extends deeper. Yeah, we're getting some more fresh blood on the show this year. I'm determined to get Rossello on the pod this year.
You know, I never met Ryan Rossello. He's great. I love him. Yeah, but I'm like a devoted fan of all his non-sports podcasting content, including the town Rewatchables.
I want to hang his jersey in the rafters for that, and then also his travelogue of his trip to Spain, which is the single best piece of podcasting that the ringer podcast network has ever published. It's that number one, JFK Rewatchables number two. We thank you for listening to podcasts. I can't think of any other podcasts.
Okay, every other show is canceled. Anyway, I never met him, so I'd love to meet him. How do you think our energies will match? They won't?
Sometimes that's what happens in the world. I think you'll meet for the first time at the award show. Oh, that's great, yeah. No, you guys would be great together.
I think you both have a very... He likes traveling, so do I. Mm-hmm, yeah. What other things do you have in common?
You're both weightlifters? I think we have different philosophical approaches, but it would actually be interesting to compare notes, and I'd love to talk to him about his goals, and how he's using that every day. You know, he seems to be more like... He's like, you're bulking.
He's pure bulking. I think he's got a real methodology. Really? I can only imagine what Bobby would do with Ryan in front of him.
Let's break some Oscars, okay? Okay. Let's start with Supporting Actor. Okay, so we're picking all five nominees together.
All five nominees together. We're going to do some brokering. Okay, so let's do the easy one first. Yep.
Robert Downey Jr. I believe he's still far and away the frontrunner. I do as well. I agree.
He gave a charming speech at the Critics' Choice Awards, in which he read some of the truly very funny, mean things that critics have said about him, and he did it with good humor, so... Do you think of Robert Downey Jr. as a nepo baby? Not...
I'm not a huge nepo baby subscriber. I tend to actually think that a lot of the quality work rises to the top, but... You know, he's a successful, independent, you know, leftist filmmaker. Yeah, I don't care.
Okay, I don't care either. I'll put Ryan Gosling after him. Yeah. It certainly feels like he's in the number two or three spot right now.
I think he's, like, the number one bridesmaid for this award season. So, Mark Ruffalo famously left off the list for SAG. Do you feel like he's in right now? People seem to really be enjoying poor things.
Mm-hmm. So, I went to a bar I like in Los Angeles last week. Okay, sounds very normal to say something like that. So, so far, you attend Whole Foods, and you attend bars that you like.
Where else do you visit? It was actually weird to say that sentence out loud, because, like, we don't go to bars very often. I went to a bar with your husband and your friends the other night, too, and I was like, I'm in a bar right now. Wow.
I was, like, literally, my in-laws were in town and took my sentence. We went to a bar, and then we went to dinner. And it was like, I used to live in bars. We went to bars five days a week.
No, here's what we did. We went to a movie. Yeah. Then we went to a bar, and then we went to dinner.
That sounded awesome. Zach told me about it on Saturday night. It was incredible. It was really fun.
And if you have the means to do that on a regular basis, God, please do it for all this. Anyway, I was at said bar, and I noticed there was, like, a sign, like, a little ad, you know, like, the literature that you have in tables at restaurants or bars, advertising a poor thing's martini. Okay. Oh, you've seen this.
Yeah, I sent it to you. And I was like, oh, this is interesting. So then I didn't send you this part. I asked the bartender.
I was like, so is it some sort of special? Like, you know, like, searchlight, whatever. And he was like, oh, no, the bar manager just does that when he likes stuff. And so I hope I'm not getting that in trouble with searchlight.
I'm just going to fix that. A viral marketing for their weird steampunk sex movie? It was very, you know, it just seemed like a one-off. But he was like, yeah, sometimes they did it for Game of Thrones, and then they just did it for poor things.
And I was like, huh, that's interesting. There's going to be an equivalence there. But it's what the bar manager liked. So people are out here really liking poor things.
That's all I wanted to say. Enough to make a martini. That means Ruffalo's in for you? People also like more Ruffalo.
So yeah. I think so, too. I was flabbergasted by him not getting into SAG. I thought that was really weird, because I feel like he's beloved.
I don't know either. But I do not understand actors generally. I like them. I admire them.
But I don't really get it. All right. Well, nevertheless, we've got, I would say, four contenders now for two spots. Robert De Niro for Kills the Flower Moon.
Charles Melton for May of December. Willem Dafoe for poor things. Make a star, though. It's like, you get a chance to be on the red carpet.
You know, he's a pretty good-looking guy. He's very tall. Very tall. And you just look at a million dollars.
You go to the old classics. You get a sick tuxedo. You get a sick leather jacket. You get great sunglasses.
You just go to the classics. It is also. It's playing right to us, because he's just dressed like one of the strokes. Right?
Yeah, he's just looking back from the strokes. We're all going back to early 2000 culture on this podcast. We're just going back to the lead. Children gather around.
Yeah, but sure. But the references cycle back in that way. And so they just picked the right moment. And no, he looks amazing.
Seth looks good. He's wonderful in the movie. I don't think he's actually competing. But I was wondering, in the back of my mind, I'm like, I wonder if him having more public profiles.
Just in the last two weeks would give him a little bit of a boost. In a way, he would not have three months ago, because nobody knew what his name was. It happens for many times. And especially, Hullover's his blog, and so you're writing everybody else in.
He is like the third in that trio. Absolutely. The other two will absolutely be nominated. I don't think that's going to be a shocking surprise, but you never know.
Could happen. Yeah, I still think De Niro. How is De Niro going to get in and Leo's not? Well, are we saying Leo's not?
I'm not saying that. Listen, you call up SAG, okay? You call them. And you see your problem with them.
Dear sir or madam, I am not an actor, but I find your awards to be gravely disappointing. Maybe when you get invited, just at the table, you can go. Where's that person? Hello.
I really don't want to go to award shows. Like, God bless all the journalists who go to award shows and ask questions in chronic but I really don't want to go. I don't either. Okay.
So De Niro is in. I think so. So who's in the last spot? Do you want to take a chance or do you want to play Chalk?
I don't think it's Defoe. Faux is the chalk to me. Yeah. And I know that he was nominated for SAG.
It's a smaller part. To me, aside from the incredible prosthetic work that is done on him in that movie, it's like a Willem Dafoe part. It's lovely to see him always. He's great.
I sent you his Criterion Closet video last night and I was like, this rocks. He's a fan of the remake only Bob. I was making our outline, so I didn't have time to watch it. Well, thank you for doing that.
You're so welcome. We're seeing more and more Amanda doing outlines in 2024. It's because my in-laws weren't talking. I was wondering why you volunteered.
Once again, well, also you said that you had a busy day today. I did. And I had been able to see all the movies and sometimes I'm catching up right until we record, but I had time. There's no one I would trust with it more than you.
And I'd like to help. I don't know. Do you want to do talk or do you want to have fun? I think Sterling K.
Brown is fun. Okay. If it's at the expense of Mark Ruffalo and to a lesser extent Charles Melton, it's kind of annoying fun. It's like, I'd like to see Willem Dafoe get bumped.
I even kind of sort of wouldn't, I would be okay with the New York bump. Is that crazy? I'm okay with it as well, but we're not. We're not bumping anybody.
It's more just what we think is happening. Yeah, we're not like dreamcasting or whatever. Julia has spent like 20 minutes explaining the concept of dreamcasting to me. The phrase I like to use, I learned from David Shoemaker, which is fantasy book, which is like when you think about what would be the coolest matches in professional wrestling, you'd be like, what if Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair in 1988 could wrestle each other?
That didn't happen. Not as far as I know, but there's a movie version. We should do a fantasy booking movie this pod one day. We're just like, what if you could take Orson Welles in 1945 and put him with, you know, Ellen Burstyn in 1976 and put him, you know, future pod idea.
So that's not what we're doing though. It's not, it's who do we think will get the fifth nomination? I don't think it's going to be Charles Melton, which makes me sad. I think it's Defoe.
Okay, that's fine. We can do it. I'm happy to be wrong about this, but I think it's Defoe. And I think you're right that Poor Things is going to be beloved by the Academy.
I think we're looking at like seven, eight, nine nominations. Okay, best supporting actress. You ready for this? Yeah.
There's obviously an actress who is leading the pack right now, who's won virtually every Greek that's wonderful by me. I think she's going to win. I do as well. And I will enjoy that.
She's terrific. Now what? Emily Blunt. Yeah, she will be there no matter what.
She's working so hard. It seems like she has increasingly less of a chance to win, as we cited. Now, I think Daniel Brooks is in, even though the color purple has fallen away. I feel like that will be the lone nomination for that film.
So I'm going to put her in. Now, we're in a similar spot with supporting actor as we are with actress here, where there's two, four people competing for two spots. Jodie Foster and Naya, Julianne Moore in May, December, and LB Cruz and Ferraria got a big bump from SAC, America, Ferraria, and Barbie. I guess Sondra Haller in the zone of interest is competing here, but I don't really see it.
I see it. I think Jodie Foster, yes. Okay. True Detective Bump.
Oh, great point. Did you watch TrueD? No, that's not part of my world. That's not part of your world?
No. We were sitting there on the couch and we had forgotten to DVR Monsieur Spade, which is definitely a sacriple of them. And so we were like, are we going to pay $8.99 to resubscribe to AMC Plus to be able to watch it right now? Or are we going to DVR it for later on YouTube TV?
And we decided to save $9. And so then, what are we going to do? I was like, well, are we going to watch True Detective? And I was just like, no, thank you.
And I left the room. Zach and I spoke of True Detective when I saw him. We were on the same page. I won't reveal that page right here.
I love Jodie Foster. I love her in Nyad. She's wonderful in Nyad. Super fun.
I did also like, I sat in that room watching Nyad and I was like, well, Jodie Foster Oscar nomination. It's just instant. Yes. Well, the thing is, it's the same thing that's true for the show right now, where it's just like, I think Chris and Andy talked about this pretty smartly on the Watch This Week 2.
It's a star part on Trudy executed by a star. And Nyad, Dave won an award at the Critics' Choice. She accepted an award. Sometimes she got to give a speech.
You don't think it's happening? I mean, the Critics' Choice Award just gave like a bunch of, again, the same thing as the Golden Globes and gave a bunch of made-up awards to Barbie. Right along for the first time. To give them like the real awards.
They also gave like Best Comedy to Barbie, which wasn't presented during the telecast, but then they should. Sad. You know, I've been thinking a lot about this and we talked about Oscar chances right after Barbie. A film that I loved was released and I was like, I don't even think, I didn't dare to think that it would even make it into Best Picture.
And then, I don't think so either, but I will say I won't be shocked. I won't be shocked. She's very admired. And that speech, you know, is like the whole thing now.
She's a young man, she's had a long career, you know, I wouldn't be stunned. I didn't see the penalty cruise thing coming three weeks ago and I was waiting about her in Ferrari, but I can see it now and I was reminded of the fact that she was nominated for Parallel Mothers and Best Actress when like no one talks about that movie or saw that movie, that Almodovar movie, which is such a good film. And she's magnificent in it, but it was one of those like, she's actually in this kind of, kind of like Meryl Streep, Cate Blanchett, like every time she shows up, she can be nominated because she's so admired as an actor and usually brings it. Yeah, but that was also in like a, like one of the Almodovar movie as opposed to like Ferrari, which is set in Italy, but I loved, I love Ferrari.
The people of Italy did not. I know, Ferrari's been struggling. Yeah. It's like slipping out of a box at theaters right now.
It's tough times. I liked it. I had a great time. Vroom, vroom.
I'm just saying, if you're relying on the international voters, I don't think they're responding. Julianne Moore? I really don't know what to do on this one. I believe I had her in my big bet three months ago.
I think that you did. And I thought, I was trying to do the math. I'm like, well, the Academy doesn't always love Todd Haynes, but they love Julianne Moore. They always nominate Julianne Moore.
And she's so good in the movie and the choices that she makes. She talked about on the pod, just great hearing her talk through some of the decisions that she made. Is this a way to recognize that movie without going anywhere else? Maybe they'll go into screenplay, I guess.
I could see it. Do you believe it? I think I believe it more than I believe Mel B. Cruz.
Okay. And more than I believe America Ferreira. You can't give me the giggles again as soon as I start thinking about John Apatow. I just like losing it.
I gotta stay on track. Okay. We have a lot more podcasts. We're gonna go quickly.
Oh no. I just made you aware of how many detours. Well, I think this is set. I think the five are set here, but there's probably one other contender.
So to me, it's Oppenheimer, Four Things, Killers of the Flower Moon, American Fiction, and Barbie. Yes, I think so. All five will be best picture nominees. All five are interesting adaptations of their work, recontextualizations of their work.
The one on the outside, I think it's also a best picture contender. It is also a recontextualization, which is the zone of interest. Now, as a piece of writing, I'm not sure it's a great piece of writing. It doesn't work without a visionary filmmaker executing on that writing, but I think people really admire that movie.
I guess I don't see any of these five coming out. I don't either. Okay. I think that once they moved Barbie into adapted, it felt like we just had five solid.
We decided that this is the boundaries of the category. Okay. So that one's easy. So now we'll do original.
Do you want to do this? Do you want to run the show on the picks here? Sure. I can do four, I think.
Okay. The Holdovers. Without a doubt. Path Lives.
Anatomy of a Fall. The Holdovers Pass Last. Anatomy of a Fall. Yes.
I do think May-December will happen here. So Sammy Burt has been on a campaign. She's been doing great. Very funny.
It is a great screenplay. It is a great screenplay. And also, you know, I think people who aren't actors feel differently about May-December than the Actors Party. Totally agree with you.
So the fifth one is the question mark. You could do Maestro. What should you do Maestro? You know, speaking of my in-laws who were in town and provided a great job here, they shot at Rich and Jane, they were also telling me about how they walked out of Maestro.
And I would not have said that they were people who walk out of films. They're lovely people. And they said they sort of surprised themselves. But I asked them why while they were here.
And they were like, honestly, they were just kind of bored. They were like, we knew a lot about Leonard Brinstein. They both grew up in New York going to the Young People's concert. So he meant a lot to them and his career meant a lot to them.
They were like, we don't really care about what this movie's going to care about. And I was like, interesting because that seems like the target audience for Maestro. Is it though? I don't know.
You know, we had a playground conversation about with a voter. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Now we obviously not going to reveal that person's name.
But we're out of the world. We're talking to people. And we're talking to voters. And you know, Maestro?
It doesn't seem to be playing that well. I don't know whether I'm going to finish it by the time voting's over. That's a little, you know, that's not what you want if you made Maestro. So I wouldn't bet on a screenplay nomination for Maestro.
All right. Then what else do you got? Air seems unlikely. It does.
Salt burn is not going to happen. Although this is a winner in this category. Former winner. Emerald Fowl.
I want to speak very briefly about Origin. Yes. I've seen Origin. We haven't dedicated any time to it yet.
Maybe we will in the next couple of weeks. It's out on Friday. In wide release. Oh, that's right.
Sorry. It's out now. I'll see you at the theaters. Origin's Ava DuVernay's new movie.
The movie premiered in Venice and has since got, it got kind of a one week quick show in December to qualify for awards. It's a new film starring Angie Mellis Taylor. There's been a very active campaign to get attention on the movie in part because it's been suggested like the failure of the studio to shine enough light on it for enough people to be made aware of this story. And, you know, Ava DuVernay, a very savvy marketeer, has gotten a lot of attention on the film in the last couple of weeks and there's a little bit of a grassroots thing happening and I saw Frances Fisher who famously was a participant in the two Leslie campaigns last year was sharing her support.
I saw Cher tweeting about the film Origin over the weekend. And Elaine Jolie hosted a screening. So the big guns are coming out. There's a late breaking push for the film.
It's a very unusual movie. It's an adaptation of cast as a Wilkerson's nonfiction book. The film is very bold in the decisions it makes. I don't want to really want to see too much for people who haven't seen it if they're intending to see it.
Also, Sir John Bernthal, regular favorite. I'll wait until we get a chance to dig into it. I'm now saving space for the surprising Origin nominations. I'm just going to put that out here.
I don't think it's going into original here but just saving space. So what do you think is going in? What if it's just like Astrid City? I mean, I'd be thrilled.
But that would have been abandoned by the way because you and I failed. Honestly, because you and I did not put it in our top eyes. You and I did not keep it in the conversation. I was in the top 10.
Sure, but that gets posted on Letterboxd while everyone's drunk on New Year's Eve. That's part of the plan though. I want the drunk people to fire up their Letterboxd and see what I'm up to. We needed to start in September.
We needed to start in June. When I was watching that Eagles game, Andy Greenwald had just watched Astrid City and had a problem with Astrid City not being nominated. But he was like, damn, that was good. That's among his best.
And me and your husband were like, yeah, it is. And then it didn't get nominated. It's literally in 12th on Gold Derby right now for original screenplay. I guess it's just Maestro.
This feels wrong. This doesn't feel right. I feel like something happened with Maestro, but I don't know what the next Nintendo is supposed to be. Is it Saltburn?
Is that crazy? I mean, that would be funny. Honestly, it was definitely in play, right? It could be.
You know how many people I saw Fallen Leaves. Loved it. Yeah, great movie. I saw Society of the Snow.
Fallen Leaves for movie subscribers is on Mubi on Friday when they did this broadcast. So if you want to watch Aki Korosmaki's new film, which has been in very few theaters in America, check it out on MUBI Movie. Great. Okay, Zone of Interest, Society of the Snow, Fallen Leaves, and The Taste of Things.
I feel like those are a lot. Yeah, and I've seen all four. Okay, good job. I like all of them.
I don't know about five. I don't either. I think there's five movies for one spot. Okay.
Vim Benders' Perfect Days, which was celebrated coming out of Cannes. That's the Japanese entry. Koji Ishii, Kusho is one of the best actor at Cannes, first performance there. Very good movie.
Has not been officially released in the U.S. yet, so a lot of people haven't seen it. But The Teacher's Land from Germany, which I still have not a chance to see yet. I can't really get up on that.
20 Days of Mary Pole. There may be a wave. There's another short documentary film about Ukraine, about the siege in Ukraine. There's also a nominee that comes to us from Netflix.
So you could see some crossover there or they could knock each other out. From Mexico, we have Totem, which I saw and liked. From Italy, it's going in his direction. Yeah.
So you think it's perfect days? I think that's probably the safest bet. What if I see The Teacher's Land and I'm like, wow, a searing portrait of complex emotions? Then we have another podcast to record?
Okay, cool. I'm just going to put it in the chalk. That's not very interesting. I thought this was going to be more competitive.
Fallen Leaves getting an Oscar nomination. How fun. I don't think it's going to win. What's going to win?
Is it not an interest? I think so. What about Society of the Snow? I like it a lot.
I don't know anyone who's watching it at home. Do you? It's number two on Letterboxd right now. Oh, really?
Clearly a lot of people. Okay. Netflix, a powerful platform. They really are.
Is there any chance that Taste of Things wins here? I don't think so, but what a wonderful film that I can't wait to talk about. Have you talked to Julia Pinoche yet? Yes, I spoke with Julia Pinoche.
How was it? Spoiler for a future episode of this podcast. She really took control in a way that I found appealing. You know what I mean?
Did you know that she's also starring as Coco Chanel in an upcoming Apple TV series? I did. Also starring Ben Mendelsohn? I didn't know about that.
Who's he playing? I want to say Christian Dior. Dior, yes. That's amazing.
I know. Ben Mendelsohn is the orc. Are you kidding? I'm really, really excited for the show.
It does not have to be good for me to care. That is really, really great. Okay, so then there we'll have Society of the Snow, Fallen Leaves, The Taste of Things, Perfect Days, and The Zone of Interest. Okay.
Let's go to Best Actor. This is Russell. I just, I don't know. My head's getting in the way here a little bit.
Your head or your heart? Both. Okay. You want to talk about it?
Yeah, I do. Okay. I want great things for Colman Domingo, but Colman Domingo's nominated for Rustin in a not very good film, which I'm into it. Yeah.