Paranormal Activity

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You need to get a better name. I'm not kidding All right after a lesson honorable start Oh, well you can't restart the episode like that people are you're restarting well when you're like 30 seconds in the episode and we're asking you if ladies have teens I'm not restarting for a time. Okay. Well, I was just hoping you just delete the file and just be like, you know Hey, welcome to the show, but we've completely just gone downhill.

Thank you for listening to us this far I think the term is shit the bad Anyway, we're already explicit rating 30 seconds in and I just might drop the f-bomb We should do a poll though do do ladies have teens. I want to know you know, so we've actually been told that would be our Cohost lurch. We've been told by a good friend Changa that we don't swear enough and not just our show like all the shows really Yeah, apparently that's like the number one complaint. We don't swear enough.

Can we change that? So gosh darn it well here's here's the thing is we record on Sunday And it just seems like such a bad way to start a evening office to start in on the swears already Well, you know after we have the invocation before we start recording it seems a little sacrilegious Well technically this is sure you know we we had our sacrament first and then the invocation Okay, now we're getting last month Wait, wait, wait, I didn't get involved in that by we I mean lurch To my right, we've got beaker. What's up? Formerly known as the slobbliss Lurch loving it.

I'm glad that master was followed with these asterisks. I thought that was going somewhere else I'm not gonna lie the master bader. Yeah, that's kind of a very cunning linguist You know, I just want you to know I have a couple people like call me and by couple people I mean peaches called me and was she was upset that you cut off my my sign off. You know, I actually yeah I did that I quit recording right before you do that's a straight mark.

I have a new sign off. No, I like I like to Castle then I'll keep the I'll keep the heffman storm of the castle life for you You know, it's funny is I was actually I was on my friends twitch feed the other day and I was signing off there I was leaving and they have a text of speech and it doesn't swear and I said peace out peace out bitches That's not what the text of speech said. It said peace out butterflies So that might be my new sign off. He's out butterflies.

I like it and by the way for those who miss bash music last night You miss some pretty hilarious chat at one point We had basically the entire cast of rest of development in bash chat getting crazy. Thanks So tonight we've got a little bit of a special episode I'll just come out and say we talk about her normal stuff on this episode And we've talked about quite a few things and to be honest with you We're starting to get into some of the stuff that's really in the weeds like Slender Man and Elementals and sometimes you just run out of stuff. We're not running out of stuff Well, we're not but it's just we're starting to get to a point where we have to get a little more creative in In some of our topics and we talked about we've got several shows planned out So I mean it's not like we're running out of stuff, but we're running out of stuff diversity Let's be honest adding diversity and we may bring up and talk about some other things we've talked about in the past again But tonight we have a special so we've actually gone through and we have We've taken the movie from what was it 2006 when it came out 2006 was filmed. It was released in 2007 Yeah, that's the day that we're in the movie.

I think it was someplace over 2007 2008 somewhere in the Okay, well what we've done is we've taken out the movie Paranormal Activity and we decided it'd be kind of fun to sit down before we record and watch paranormal activity and just get an idea Just kind of go through it and see what was basically horseshit I think we were trying to go like Hollywood versus reality and I've come to the inclusion that this was a terrible movie to watch to do this Yeah, well the funny thing is and we're gonna kind of go through it bit by bit and talk about different parts But overall the creator of this the writer this I gotta say really did their homework We need to kind of maybe give props to Greg the butterscotch panda Because we're kind of taking his idea for the so bad. It's good We're still keeping a paranormal. Yeah, but yeah, it's kind of along the same idea and we're not gonna We'll do this on occasion. It's not gonna be an episode thing.

We may take the conjuring or conjuring to and some other movies Deliver some evil Guys, there's any movies you want us to cover and talk about as long as it's the original poltergeist not the remake that was done Like 2014 because I was did you know that the original poltergeist the original script for that was actually the script for ET Really? Yeah, it's plain But have to look up on I'm gonna do that come quick. Why don't you fill some time while I pull it up here? So ET came through a television and well, I guess it was it wasn't originally supposed to be a children's show I'm supposed to go home Satan go home.

It was originally supposed to be a horror film and it Was not made into one because I'm like man. How sing what should have been a horror film was just a little bit crappy It was a kind of a comedy or a little dead. Yeah, he did is was good Bruce Campbell Yeah, is it got among men? I love Bruce Campbell that man can do no wrong.

He is a sexy sexy man I'm saying that is a merely platonic comment. Yeah, I'm never see Bruce Campbell. I go I go gay for a minute or two I'm not gonna lie. I like the Bruce Campbell I've said too much anyway, so again I don't want to people think that we're gonna be devolving into a movie show because we're not we've got bacon cell for that We've got radio running for that.

We've got so big for that But just to kind of mix it up a little bit we are gonna periodically take a paranormal based movie and we are going to basically Kind of tear it apart if you will see what makes it tick and I'm in front of a friend's on another show and Basically tell you guys whether or not What was good about what was bad about it was fake what was Hollywood? What was real right? What things really happen what things don't really happen and this movie a paranormal activity was Fascinating study and the fact that whoever wrote it and I'm too lazy to look it up I headed on IMDB I could pull back up But I remember watching this movie a couple years back and my brother had loaned me a copy that he had found on the internet And I watched it the terrible mistake was that I watched it with like my headphones on on my laptop in a very silent House of like one or two in the morning when my family was sleeping and it scared the shit out of me Well, the thing is and it was so interesting is he did his homework I mean I can only really pick out three or four things in the entire movie that are Questionable and I would even say they're not so much questionable is exaggerated I mean it is a little bit exaggerated But I mean in reality it is stuff that is tangible that that could actually happen So as written and directed by a orin pelly The thing that I noticed most about is that it had a $15,000 estimated budget and they grossed over a hundred million dollars So very very successful now. I've not seen any of the sequels have you guys seen any of the people?

Yes, and they took the same formula to the kind of goes sideways some really sucked The the first two were they actually hand-in-hand and actually took place during the same time frame Where they basically ended the same night, okay? So parallel hauntings yeah, so basically it was like while it was affecting the main characters in the first movie There was stuff also affecting the main girls younger sister at her house at the same time Oh, so it was affecting both family members, which was consistent with sometimes actual cases depending on what's going on with them Did you find your ET stuff to him? No, no, you let me know you get there Otherwise, I'm gonna dive right into the movie just go right into it So just kind of a plot line real quick for partner mark to if you haven't seen it go see it It's a pretty good movie for what it is the first thing I wrote down notes wise is The main character Katie They mentioned her last name Katie and Mika they did in the opening credits they mentioned their last names, but I can't remember Meika, let's go. I will just go with that and so the lead character Katie the kind of Movie starts out me could buys this camera an expensive camera and just starts like filming all over the place in his girlfriend Katie They're kind of talking he says hey, we're gonna catch his turn on what to be my first thought was well What partner want to be but as the movie leads in which they had moments I guess where that that led up to his purchase of the camera So it was it was stuff that wasn't really documented before but I guess they'd had instances that led him up to Wanting to purchase the camera so they could document and keep track of what's happening Yeah, yeah, and so basically He gets this camera and they're kind of start mentioning her and she mentions that she had stuff going on around her since she's eight Which is very consistent with a lot of the cases we run into is when we get called to a home and we start interviewing the family We generally find out that somebody in the home oftentimes has been experiencing things to a varying degree since the age childhood really So that was that kind of caught me off guard that they not off guard But I was pleasantly surprised yeah, but one thing that I think we've mentioned before never investigate your own home because you're gonna be Kind of it might not be the most pleasant response what you get you know if you find out that there's something actually there Especially something negative or you know demonic you're not gonna like the the results that you find yeah This movie is kind of a case study in being stupid investigating your home And Mika especially you know as the movie progressed he makes really stupid choices Incredibly stupid choices and like any good movie and actually in this case I'm gonna say reality the activity that the movie portrayed started out really fairly I don't want to say but nine but minor activity Just little things and it kind of progressed but the first thing that I noticed in the movie is they heard kind of a noise And he took his camera and went and started kind of cruising through the house and he bunked it as the ice maker Yeah And that's one thing that you know they have a psychic show up to their house And he the psychic is kind of bunk if you ask me because you know he walks in there It's more of like a psychological psychologist kind of perspective that I think he takes where he's analyzing Their input and their experiences, but you know as far as psychic abilities doesn't really seem to possess any but he he talks about Let's see the most part most part facts But that most paranormal phenomenon can be explained by just normal activity squeaky houses, you know normal noises the ice maker Yeah, and I kind of look him back at the psychic here just a second That's very plausible, but that was one thing that you know when we go into homes and people start telling us what's going on Usually they'll give us four or five instances of things that they consider to be paranormal and usually one or two of them are things We're like yeah, that's not anything.

Yeah, yeah, your dog is just weird That's your house settling. That's your dog just staring in the corner for no reason Yeah, but there's no reason why your dog is doing that or no reason why this is happening or this is the sound So it's not uncommon to find you know a couple of things that are not paranormal when someone reports paranormal activity I'm glad you brought up the psychic bill because well actually let's not get into that just yet one of the first things that happens in the movie Is there a sleep and they hear a noise and they kind of blow it off and then the next morning? He's laying in the middle of the kitchen floor And there's no else in the house It's just the two of them that live there and and she's like you know I always put my keys in the same spot right next to the wall on the kitchen counter and they were knocked off the counter about five feet Into the middle of the floor. So I mean that's that's very typical for poltergeist activities is to have things moved I have things that played with unexplained noises things like that Well, and like our client Cleve if you ever listen to the episode where we interview Cleve The fact that's a little too scary one and if you if you're new to the show that's an episode I highly recommend you go back and listen to I have a few favorite episodes that I think are probably some of our better episodes as far as if you're Looking for creepy factor that was a good show and the scary one with Cleve Evans and Popola clown are probably my two favorite scary.

It's funny is I keep track of some of these episodes that are your favorites and Popola Cons listens kind of stays the same, but when we talk you bastards listen to that episode What's funny is we were talking about how Slender Man was kind of crap and when we did the amount of listens skyrocketed Like Slender Man's listen to it. We should go listen to it. Yeah, I'll be a first-day that episode was not good Slender Man was not one of my favorite episodes wasn't bad though There was a lot of awkward pauses because I thought there'd be considerably more discussion than we actually had it's because I wasn't there Probably anyway going back Cleve had a lot of that kind of stuff happening in his home keys being moved around and we've had other homes That we've been involved in worth things like keys and moved around other objects have disappeared from one section of the home Reappeared another section of the home, you know I'm in an unexplained manner. I should say you know it works clear that nobody no other individuals in the home and had moved them I have a friend in Boise I grew up in Boise, Idaho And I have a friend that he experienced a poltergeist activity in his home where like he would leave a watch or you know Some some some some item in a particular part of his house And he would go and leave and come back later and the item would be gone And sometimes it'd be gone for a couple days and then it would pop up again somewhere else in a completely opposite part of the house He had his computer monitor the little apps the shortcuts on his screen would always get moved around the radio stations on his stereo Would get switched around to gadgets being played with Yeah, but he he experienced a lot of that and they even moved he and his wife This was before they had kids they moved across town in another home and the entity apparently followed them because they continue to have activity like that well the an actually had an incident that happened at her home just a few days ago and I'll let her discuss it on the next episode when she's here, but she had a couple objects.

I had disappeared And reappeared and I'll let her tell the story herself so that it's not ruining stealing her thunder But that was one of the first things in this movie that happened and I Again very realistic. We've experienced that we've seen that It was I don't know I don't want to say something press because I was like I said whoo But that was again somebody did their homework. They didn't start out with something really crazy So Mika purchased a camera. He decides he's going to start recording this activity that's happening in their house They invite a psychic to come and get some preliminary Suggestions from him and a lot of the the information that he gave them was really accurate You know, hanning's feet off of negative energy.

You don't want to encourage it. You don't want to directly challenge it the Inviting the entity is a no-no because I think they're starting to play games Insiting activity that's going to get a spike in the responses and it's not always going to be a pleasant response The demons can stalk you for years. They're very patient. They are known to cause pain There's no sense of time and then one of the other things we said to is that you know, he defined what a demon is It was very accurate about it being a non-living persona.

That's never had a body again. It's there to cause pain It's it's very negative Feeds off fear and that's one thing that you see through the movie is as it progresses the Mika and Katie They start to get more and more afraid and the activity increases as their fear progresses as well as the tension in the house progresses And all those things that you mentioned are things that we've actually experienced with clients And the things that we've found during our research on demonic entities and how they operate if that information is consistent now The one thing about the movie that I absolutely hated said an issue with the you know, the psychic the psychic Accultations comes in says you've got a demon in your house. They both reacted very calm very calm. They're like, oh, okay Let's keep collecting evidence.

Okay. Yeah, like not let's get a priest down here or get someone That's another specialist. It's I the psychic is like I specialize in ghosts. You have a demon Here's number for another guy.

Yeah, they don't immediately call this like if I had some kind of my house I'm like you got demons. Yeah, I would be shit Exercises the name and I wouldn't just like continue recording and filming my own right now And part of that way to calm in my opinion part of that and I think is With the writing of the movie I think part of that was Mika the boyfriend who's kind of a dumbass He was a dude. There's really no other way to put it. He was a dumbass won't get more to that He was a dumbass, but he was a dude The psychic though I was my biggest complaint about that movie other than the ending which we'll get to is the psychic because we have brandy Peaches who's not here today.

We've got caden who we work with and we've got B whose also name is also brandy who we work with and we work with some other psychics over the course of the years that we've been around and Basically everything that and I'm using my air quotation psychic did in the movie is crap that basically lurch would do a flirt to Showing up. I mean you show up. It's a very psychological kind of analytical It's like they're meeting with a doctor or investigate exactly he's taking notes. He's asking questions about their history Exactly, but he doesn't really like show any kind of psychic ability which is a more psychologist.

Exactly. Yeah Well, I mean when we've worked with psychics before generally what we do is we Sometimes I can tell us right at the door what's going on but we usually walk through the home and they look around and You know they'll point to things they can see Or they'll tell us what they can hear But this guy just basically kind of came in sat down the counter said what's up? You know what's going on asked him some questions said hey this yeah It doesn't feel like a ghost if I think that's only time you can use the work feels it doesn't feel like a ghost and to be honest With you if I sat down with somebody they gave me the information this couple is giving me I would be calling the demon all just right away I'd be like hey We just had so and so show up and he gave us your number and he said this is your field of expertise We I think we have something very negative a demon here in our house and we want you to get rid of it I would personally like from what we do if I can handle it I would be calling another team myself right hey They got issues. They've got issues here you call them.

I'm like I wouldn't give the clients A number and be like you know colleagues people I would do what I can to make sure they're gonna help Exactly and the thing is is what the information they're giving this guy You know if I was sitting there and they told me this I would probably come to the conclusion that based on the information They're giving me a sound of more demonic and nature than ghosty in nature I just didn't feel like he had any actual second ability I think they would have been better off from a movie standpoint just to say we're calling in an investigator And then have him make that call I think would have been a lot more realistic But you wouldn't have had you wouldn't have the what the film essentially is is just recording this paranormal activity You wouldn't have that if that's what they would have really done in reality if if if your common sense would have sat in And you know you made that reaction to call someone and get rid of the problem you wouldn't have a film So this is this is Hollywood wanting to give you something and that's that's the unrealistic part of it But so anyways the the psychic comes in he tells them that there's essentially a demon in their home And they start to keep filming the the activity and it documents it from night to night Katie admits that she has a possible attachment her boyfriend flips out Why don't you ever tell me this well? It's something you don't talk about in the first date and he's like well what about the 15th date or the 30th date? Yeah, why are you telling this this after we've been you know living together for two years if you've been dating for two years Oh, by the way, I've got demons. Yeah, yes, no big deal I've got a demon that's been following me since I was eight well And one thing I thought was interesting is when she was explaining the activity as a child She mentioned that their home and burned down in an unexplained manner and this is one thing I'm actually surprised that lurch didn't notice that but I've done like a crap-tent research How much is a crap-tent like a metric?

Load Load if you know that's a shitload a slowed there's Demonic entities and really nasty cases can spontaneously start fires in fact. There's a couple of them Demon all their demon all just back east. I wish I remember their names off top of my head But they had like a little really he is a late clergyman and him and his wife basically go on their demon all just and They had like a little religious altar in their home and and this is only a few years ago But the altars spontaneously burned and burned some of their relics if you will but the fire burned in such a way that it should have Burned out of control it should have burned some things that it didn't And they felt it was kind of a relative burning right a very selective spontaneous You know they came home to find the burn marks and so that can happen fires It's not a common for a very haunted place to basically start fire and burn down And so that was consistent when she mentioned that about her childhood She also mentioned that she heard an intelligible whispering at one point in the movie which to be honest with you We were on investigation last night and I heard some unintelligible whispering in fact I think both you two did as well did you? I didn't but I was standing down the hallway from you when he said that I say and then the second time I actually I heard understood the words a second time and it was get out And that was I think you were downstairs in the basement with me large and beaker was upstairs with Kaden Yeah, but it was a whisper get out But it was a very clear get out and I actually had to come out and ask you guys upstairs if someone had physically set it upstairs No one dead but Kaden the psychic medium Whatever you want to call him He did say that they had been saying that essentially all night long as he'd been in the house So it was consistent with things that were being said we had the who was at the ghost pro set up in that bedroom And there were several times where I'd walk in and it would turn on and I'd ask questions like do you want to see her?

And you get a direct response No, do you want us to leave? Yes, so I mean that happens several times through the night now One of the other things that happen is move right off the bat is when they're sleeping the bedroom door kind of swung partially closed open back up And I can't remember if it's one closed a second time or if it just swung later in the movie There was a time where it slammed shut but that first thing it was just a kind of like kind of half way closed And then swung back They didn't know that it happened till he reviewed the the video later on the day now What's interesting is we've actually experienced doors closing before I know before beaker came on the team I was in a building and watched a door basically slam behind me. Oh, we saw that door closed at the Stanley Hotel There's been a few occasions where you've had doors basically open or close more or less on their own to a very degree I've seen ladders move in different positions hats on the floor that weren't there I've been with you on those occasions. I've had my pocket knife pulled out of my back pocket and yanked about five feet behind me I've seen a lock on a door like a padlock move now What I thought was interesting is through this whole movie this idiot boyfriend Mika I think so they call them Mika Mika for him.

It's all new and exciting and I guess maybe for some people that would be a possibility I think even the most With the kind of stuff that was going on even the most stalwart person would be more than a little bothered unless excited like he was I even wrote that down like you know We're talked about where they seem really calm and they found out there was a demon in their house But it's I wrote down mica or mica is clearly skeptical and then throughout the movie I wrote he's too skeptical. He's too skeptical I mean you've got you know The the the powdered footprint thing. Yeah, you hear the the gnarly the grounding on the wall and you can hear audible footsteps Yeah, and he's still just like is there someone here that wants to talk to us? It's like really dude.

Yeah. Well, I mean he was kind of an idiot from the get go I mean quite frankly I don't even know what to start with all that because of the stupid stuff He's doing first thing off you want to get a weg board to communicate with the damn thing Yeah, so Katie tells him don't buy a Ouija board He's like okay. I promise I will not buy a Ouija board So the next scene he shows up and he's got a Ouija board and and and she's getting all pissed off of them He's like I said, I would but yeah, she comes really unglued. She's like I told you not to buy a Ouija board He's like I didn't buy a Ouija board I borrowed one but the funny thing about it though is that the Ouija board was like painted blood red with fire and had a Pentagram in the middle and if that's like a sign not to play with the Ouija board right there I don't know what else could be more obvious.

It's like getting slapped across the face and be like maybe I should still do this See the other thing I had so many issues with this movie like I mean Yeah, they did argue over the Ouija board, which is not uncommon when you when you're dealing with a demonic oppression Yeah, people mess with stuff like that that they shouldn't but yeah, there's a worse You're you're there's there's there's there's there's two arguments between people in the home But it's usually over irrational stuff. That's just kind of spread out of no apparent reason Every argument they had was it was the you know, the only ones that they fold on yelled at each other was over like the Ouija board or turn off the camera You know stuff that's like legitimate everything else that they should have in my opinion been like extremely like aggressive towards each other over They were just like oh, it's okay. Let me take care of it. I got this.

Yeah, it's usually they're just really calm way too calm in my opinion Usually in demonic cases like that there is a lot of tension between the the household and it's over very very very insignificant irrelevant stuff and that's just one of the one of the factors that you know the the demon is going to A list of negative feelings He's going to cause a lot of tension and just like peeling away an onion It'll just slowly take it layer by layer and layer until it just gets to the core of the problem and the people are at their their wits End their experience oppression and a silly possession But I just after what's end with what to do with this problem and coming in blue and that's one of the things that I always look for when we Are interviewing a client is when they're talking about the stuff that's going on when I start hearing things like yeah, we get These huge arguments over nothing in fact, that's almost the exact verbiage they use we get Arguments over nothing and when I start hearing stuff like that. That's one in my little mental checklist I'm going that sounds more demonic than That was that's exactly what happened with the case we did last night like they when they contacted me they he told me that one of the things that they do is argue for no apparent reason and One of the other things he told me was like all the sudden just out of the blue like his wife just started saying You know, no one loves me. I want to kill myself and it's just like I've known these are these people that I've known for a little bit And I know both these people and it's not there. That's not who they are.

That's not their normal attitudes and personal life is They're they're both very happy people so when I hear something like just out of blue She's all I want to commit suicide. I was just like we gotta get them right away There's there's you know all the signs of a type three Houston. We have a problem Kind of on the boyfriend's mark as he was a dumbass. He was everything on the boyfriend I like the part where it's two o'clock in the morning.

She's scared shitless and trying to sleep and he's like okay Let's talk about what happened with the weed. Let's discuss the scary shit on our house Can I tell you about how I left the camera rolling and we left and the the plenchet was moving by itself We do what it's spelled out someone's name and yeah, the Ouija board just lit on fire spontaneously a little little messages on it Can I say about that? That was one part of the movie that kind of drove me a little bit nuts mildly accurate Grown me nuts and that's when it spelled out the name and he went on the internet and looked up something that supposedly had something to do with something Why say mildly accurate because I we've all had clients that when you show up They start telling you about their parental activity and then they kind of make this crazy wild leap to something that's not really associated With it, but they're just certain as part of it so from that aspect I'm like okay, but from the movies now It didn't really make any sense or rhyme or reason why he was looking for this name Nadine or whatever it was Diane Diane and Trying to tie it all together that I think they probably could have left that out I think yeah, had they had the Ouija board spell out die or something like that a little bit more of a well Apparently the scene was supposed to be longer when they found the information on the internet We're supposed to show like the full exorcism of the girl But they cut that out for some reason, you know They probably did just because of the movie the movie's kind of filmed like it's a documentary Not even a documentary but like a whole movie like a home movie like found footage kind of thing and so I've been rich Had they done that Blair Witch product kind of style But yeah, one other thing that he's doing is they had this activity going on through the house and he's running through the house with the camera saying Come on show me some more. I mean, he's just he we've said don't investigate your house This guy's investigating his house.

Yeah, and on top of that. He's provoking in his own house So he's challenging this he's like okay, you're weak. We haven't seen you in a while. We haven't heard from you We haven't experienced anything.

I think you're I think you're weak. I think you're lazy. I think you're stupid I don't think you you got anything else and I I mean he's like saying all this negative stuff and then sure enough in the middle of the Night you hear like a loud growl. There's a house shaking bang on the wall Shandler's swinging the poltergeist activities increasing like like the thing I didn't like is every time That there was something yeah, I'm pretty sure that that's not something that actually happened.

Yeah, I know that's just for the movie I can guarantee you if you've got something in your house, you're not gonna hear a loud subwoofer before that's all just Editing sound editing yeah every time there's something that's gonna happen You can hear like this low like subwoofer kind of feedback like a truck driving by but you're gonna hear stuff like that It's going to that was definitely Hollywood one thing and I learned actually point of the time we're watching it I fully agree with it I know I take it back 10 pointed it out, but basically in these type of hauntings where you have a demonic haunting the demonic spirit We'll try and divide and conquer so usually one person in the home will be experiencing the activity With the attempts by the forces doing the haunting to convince the other person that the first ones They'll they'll try to convince both of them that the one person's crazy by Only appearing and doing activity towards the one person and basically trying to break them down and then the other person will be like I don't even talk about them experiencing any of this. It's that's not that's not uncommon for a demonic entity to just focus mainly on One person was I kind of did in the movie, but they also like it was doing stuff Around both members of the house and one of the things that I kind of had an issue with and in my own personal experience Whenever I had a camera set up trying to record something Demonic entities in my experience have tried to avoid the camera like it's a plague. They don't go out of their way to Make sure that evidence is caught. Yeah, especially when both members of the house are home Evie peas too, it's it's very difficult I think to hear a demonic EVP because they don't want to be seen they don't want to be heard They want to cause that that havoc but be very secretive about it.

Here's kind of a rule I've noticed on hauntings both demonic and regular haunting is they will do things they will make things happen Usually dramatic things will happen to one individual sometimes more than one but usually it's one individual. It'll usually be something that is dramatic for that individual But we'll throw it into sleep. There's that awesome like balls dropping noise you made again I'm having a stroke. Excuse me.

I hate all you guys But there's there's this the activity that you see it will be stuff that can be explained away by everybody else Yeah, or something that you're gonna throw into doubt yourself Was that louder there before I'm pretty sure it wasn't but maybe it was that's the kind of activity that you're gonna have happen Like I said the big dramatic stuff will usually happen to one person on rare occasional happen to a group of people But usually it's the kind of stuff that you can't quantify you can't record it It's it's a lot of very personal experiences and that's done. I have no doubt very much on purpose And I don't know why I to be honest with you I suspect it has more to do with Yeah, I mean we've hidden if you will we have gotten some good Demonic EVPs some some growls don't believe here exactly we've got some really good stuff But it's it's usually pretty far feeling in between and that's one other thing with a movie that one point out I'm glad you brought up EVP's lurch is a one point you're welcome the boyfriend Mika bless his heart He decides he is going to do an EVP session in his bedroom because he's a genius and he does it's like the only EVP session He does like this what 200 dollar mic. Oh, yeah, he does like this five or not He's like a two-minute he's like 30 seconds. He asks like why are you here five questions?

What's your name? What's my favorite question was I'm gonna use this one on an investigation now. What is your quest? It's your favorite color to find the sword Holy grail if you were a tree what country would you be in my blue no yellow?

But he does a cvp session and it's funny because I show him listening to the audio Well the one question he asked was do you want to talk to us through a Ouija board? Oh, yeah, that's right And that's where he got the EVP from and EVP gets is it just a growl? That's a growl, but the interesting thing and I do a lot of EVP work I do a ton of EVP work. That's probably my biggest focus with investigating is EVP work and There's one tail-tail sign I look for when I'm looking for EVPs and that's the most EVPs do not make a waveform I think I have something that I think might be an EVP.

I'll look at it and if it has a waveform I'm gonna discount it. It's way more often to have a blank space in my audio and if I hear a sound or voice and there's no waveform That's an EVP and that's kind of a little secret. I've never really divulged before on the show EVPs generally do not have waveforms and I don't know how that works because waveforms are what makes sound but there's no waveform and you're getting sound It that's what an EVP is and so I thought it was kind of interesting that his EVP had a definite waveform And I know that's just one of those really deep deep paranormal or things that you wouldn't really know unless you know it Unless you're doing it exactly. I'll get the movie.

I'll forgive it for that But yeah, his EVP had a really definite waveform So I would if I saw that and heard that I'd classify that as a stomach growling or something because it was definitely not an EVP by EVP standards Did I beat that one to death? No, that was good. That was good point. There's a horse is a stick Now another thing that I thought was kind of interesting and when I first saw this movie back in 2006 I thought it was kind of a BS thing.

I was like yeah, whatever that was kind of stupid That's what I was going to shoot at me it did did for me too and I thought late at night at the movie theater And I was living in a apartment by myself And you know a lot of people didn't like it because they're like oh, it's fake. It's Hollywood. Well, yeah, of course it is It's fake, but it's plausible. It's things that could actually happen It's like the exorcist, you know that movie scares the shit out of me because it's stuff that can actually happen with demonic possessions Oh, that all started with the Ouija board as well.

Huh? Well, what I thought was interesting though is when I first saw it I kind of blew it off as yeah, whatever But that's what the zombie moat that the girlfriend would go into the girlfriend Katie She would wake up in the middle of the night and kind of stand by the bed and kind of Antonio and kind of wander off missing time lost minutes Not remembering it. We've never experienced that as a team. Have we?

No, not personally. No, no, that's something we've had happen to sarcasm to peaches in particular many times Especially when there's Latin texts coming through later. Oh, yeah, when I'm starting to get threats in Latin. That's always exciting And so we've seen that catatonic state.

We've seen the wandering off We've seen the not remembering what happened and we've seen it with other people besides her I thought we've seen it with people the exact same behavior identical behavior with people who have not seen her do it And would not be aware of that behavior. So random random tickle holder one of our investigations did it That's never worked with peaches before right and so it's that that was actually like I said the first time I saw it I was like, yeah, whatever, but I've actually seen it in person now enough times that yeah, that's I can't remember her name Worked at the other family tree actually Ashley. Yeah, she'd experienced that as well too downstairs One of the things I wanted ask have either of you ever tried the tele-compelter thing it would would that be something that you would ever consider doing? You know, that's that's anyone that's ever tried that before that is actually an old school ghost hunting method back before the electronic devices We use nowadays back in the old days.

That was a big a popular method was really a compelled her thing In fact, actually there was an episode of haunted collector where they tried it in one of their episodes to see if they would have any success I could periodically they would kind of plot some of the old-school stuff and the talcum powder is one of those old-school techniques Now the thing that kind of bothered me and I'm not saying it couldn't happen I didn't necessarily like the Tyrannosaurus Rex footprints that showed up in the talcum powder It just shows that it's unearthly it's it's not human I personally would think creepy like boot prints or creepy footprints that I couldn't be scarier to me I know I wonder I see I see footprints like that, you know a three huge toes and I'm thinking okay, this is like a Total demonic legy entity that probably has a tail very ugly face a lot of demonic entities that we've come across try to look like They're human yeah, exactly that's true and even then I would even from a scary standpoint from a Hollywood standpoint I think who prints would be even more who prints would have been good. We did have that though the toolhouse. He had That is true. I can't I'm glad I think the hook print probably would have been more creep I didn't like the barn if you because I just kept matching this invisible purple dinosaur going I love you Can I have your soul?

I've got to say though that that to will house that we investigated it still creeps me out We put ourselves in such a dangerous situation and it wasn't necessarily the the entity that was there that I was Physically dangerous not spirit. I was I was scared for the homeowner I think I was level of dangerous both ends, but it was it was definitely probably one of the most dangerous locations We've ever been down I would ever happen to him. I want to happen to him his wife How long ago was that that's probably been about a year? It's been over a year and I got to say and I think Tim Denel and I think that was more of a set up a trap for for peaches Jinx And we've had several attempts over the years for having things like that happen and we're usually pretty good at spotting him There's just too many factors in place that are just not not okay.

They're not right. They're pretty obvious traps Let's see a few other things in the movie the lights turned off and on we've had people experience that we've experienced that That's what steps TV that TV turned on people have experienced that we've even heard audible footsteps the fear factory There's a lot of footsteps at the design building. Oh one thing I did want to talk about I'm kind of reviewing my notes here after the footprints. They kind of started exploring around and The footprints kind of led him to the attic and the attic hatch was open Yeah, I like how it led them like the footprints were clearly going into the bedroom and They went to where the footprints started and it led them yet to the other But was it what's interesting though is there have been instances in different cases where there have been?

pieces of evidence and signs that have led to something Something important or something of significance and so having that added kind of proped open that was Fairly realistic if someone was trying to get someone's attention to go up there I think that part's fairly realistic. I don't think what they found is as realistic in my opinion Possible because there have been reports of ideas. Yeah, it is possible I know that they can manifest things but so they had found a little far fetched They had found a charred photograph of Katie when she was younger and she looked at it And she's like I hadn't seen this photo in 15 years This is at my old house the house that burned down There's no possible way that this photo can be here especially up in the attic kind of half buried in fiberglass insulation Apparently was the place was found in the attic was right over where she sleeps in the bedroom Yeah, and again there have been cases of objects showing up Whether that particular object would show up with the picture whatnot, but there have been cases of objects they called apporting Have objects supporting into places. So I didn't find that to be terribly unrealistic because it's happened.

It's rare You know one thing that overall with a whole movie is the kind of activity that was occurring They're having some pretty high-end activity occurring like the spontaneous fires that apporting of the object But the level of activity wasn't consistent with some of the level of activity And all that kind of sounds like an oxymoron But with the kind of things they had going on there would have been significantly more activity than what I'm trying to say Usually when you've got those kind of things happening you're talking to anybody level crazyness going on And that wasn't quite the case in this movie Tellingesus or not necessarily telekinesis but things moving on their own accord There was that one point where they're sitting down at dinner and you can hear a loud bang against the wall And he goes upstairs and sees the picture of you know Mika sees the picture of him and Katie and it's been punched and he has three scratch marks across his face and it's on him And it's on him so that's that's that's the the mocking of the Trinity So that's the definite sign of something demonic and another point in the movie you hear you see a light come on down the hall And you hear three definite taps and again that that three it's a mocking of the Trinity the the activity happening at 3 15 in the morning Those are all signs of true genomic demonic demonic excuse me demonic activity. I'm having a problem speaking And it's interesting because it's contagious It's interesting because they did do their homework on that because we've been on public comfort people got in scratches and threes Oh, and Katie got a serious bite. Oh, yeah, and we've seen that too fact I've seen cadence one of our mediums gets a pretty serious bites I've seen a big side actually had a bite on her or was it be one of the two a family tree had a bite? I think I've seen them both out by I've seen a lot of bites and scratches over the years In fact, there's a really really prominent three scratches across the guys chest on our website with stattorg And we had a really prominent three scratches on the back of a guest neck at a pressure talk about this before we talk What goes on by the back of his neck from the Salt Lake City County building and so that was accurate I've seen my son.

All right. Oh, yeah, and three scratches on my cell and I yeah Tim has a cell and I had three big old Really? I didn't know about that. I like Cadenborough at the Methheads house, okay, and when he returned it to me like I was all scratched up and I never really noticed it until like a recent investigation was kind of looking at it and there's on both sides three scratches Wow And so yeah, so so the threes those are consistent the 3 15 a.m And they were very good consistent with that movie too, which I was pleased to see is the similar worst activity happened at 3 a.m One thing that was consistent with those type of cases is in the movie at one point you can tell they're starting to experience sleep deprivation Yeah, she's too freaked out to sleep You know, even he's not getting sleep even though he's kind of an idiot And so the sleep deprivation that's real and what the object is with that is basically when you have sleep deprivation you lose your judgment You're not thinking clearly you're not thinking clearly you're exhausted It's pushing you mentally to your breaking point exactly and that's the object is to push you to that breaking point now The other thing that I thought was funny too is when they they can't get ahold of the demonologist So they call the psychic back again and the psychic when he walks in door.

I think you need to like use air quotes Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. This yeah, the air quotation psychic It's it's a joke. He walks in so the first time you see him He's obviously not displaying any kind of real psychic abilities like you know I get an unpleasant feeling There's something bad here, but the second time he shows up.

It's like almost he steps across the threshold He's like oh, this is this is really bad. It's I'm making a situation worse by being here I've got to go I've got to go and I just found that kind of calm coal in a sense I don't know if it was bad acting on his part probably was a little bit of bad acting But you know just the fact that he had I think he drove down from LA So it's it's a good hour and a half drive one way from LA to San Diego and he walks in the door and he's like oh It's it's bad. It doesn't like me being here. I'm making the situation worse.

I've got to go immediately Well, and what's interesting that I've got thinking about that too And I don't know if it's the $15,000 budget they had or what the deal is But I don't know any credible serious investigator who deals with anything like this really any paranormal anything that's gonna go anywhere alone Yeah, exactly. I'm not gonna go to a house alone. You're not gonna go to a house alone Tim's not gonna go to a house alone We always go on groups and it's because it's a safety issue exactly when we actually get to a house There may be moments when we split off to a room by ourselves for a minute or to an area the home by ourselves for a minute Depending on what kind of vibe we're getting from the home But we've got each other support and within usually he communication distance if we know that there's something bad there We're not just gonna walk in high-tail back out like oh last night where they were trying to get us to separate into the three different rooms I tell you what happened with that Tim. So I think you guys went upstairs.

Yeah Well, actually yeah, there was a five of us and came in our upstairs I think it did end up splitting the three of you apart into the three different rooms No, there's only what happened is it's interesting because we're in the one room that we're having a lot of activity and Kate had mentioned that was trying to split us up But you guys who got upstairs were together in a group and me being me Decided that I should go into the other room by myself that it was trying to lure us off into ourselves And it was interesting I left my recorder in that room and I left the ghost meter pro in that room and I walked into that room and It was a switch across the threshold you could feel the darkness the heaviness Yeah, I mean it was like walking into a wall water base I felt that too It's almost electric you know You can cross over the threshold and you could feel just like the energy in that room Yeah, the dark negative nasty energy So I walked across the threshold of that room and as soon as I walked in the ghost meter pro turned on or activated and it gave me Basically the two clicks were yes, so I walked in it goes yes I stood there for like five seconds and went oh no, and I went back to where lurch and Nate Nate was where Nate was at and I Told lurch what happened and then lurch went in and they had pretty much the same thing Experience where I walked in by myself the ghost meter pro activated I asked like two or three questions and got clear responses I you know do you want us here no do you want us to leave yes now? What's interesting is at one point in the movie and along these lines what we're talking about she mentions to she being Katie mentions to Micah that I can be or mica. I know it's spelled like Micah, but it's it's a lot more prissy if you pronounce a mica Yeah, I'll send you So basically mica she's talking to me can says I can feel it watching me and anybody who's ever dealt with this on any kind of level Knows especially when you're doing something negative you can feel it I mean most people can feel it to an extent some stronger than others, but you can feel that being watched feeling you can feel that Electric energy you can feel the negativity Also, you can see a plane with her hair too when she said that yeah, and to be honest with you we've seen that too We've seen people's heard it played with now I've never I've never heard of anyone getting I know the people have experienced we've we've had a residential investigation where we've had People experience getting tugged on their leg while laying in bed But she was full on pulled out of bed and dragged on the hall and then mica gets up and he goes down the hall to get her and you can see That he's really struggling for like a good 15 20 seconds of trying to get whatever is holding on to her to release Its grasp and then he finally you know yanks her away and pulls her back down and they get back to their room There's kind of each other and that was one of the parts that I kind of had a tiny bit of a problem with and Here's kind of where I have a problem with anything like that really happened probably not to that extent and there's kind of the keys not that extent There's been multiple reports We had clients tell us about being pulled out of bed In fact there's one case where one of the children was pulled out of bed by their leg I can't wear which case it was off top But I know they had a child blood by their leg I know that in the rain in their case when I was in that report to the happening people But not necessarily out of bed down the hall and then fight struggling to fight whatever it was holding on to her To release its grasp and the thing that I kind of have a little bit of a problem with is in most every single one of those cases The other person who is there usually in bed with that person is suffering from Kind of yeah, kind of like sleep paralysis, but basically they're pretty much completely unconscious there They can't be well through oblivious to yeah I mean this person extra was getting yanked out of bed and screaming and the person actually embed is just saw in logs like nothing's going on Which is usually more often than not usually you're not having both people freaking out over it one person's out and the other person's getting terrorized And that goes back that we're talking about that divide and conquer thing And so that's that was one section of the movie I'm like yeah She's not gonna be drunk all the way down the hall because usually by the time they're out of bed And they start fighting back it just ends as soon as they start fighting back And I kind of feel like maybe the demon in the movie could have easily been portrayed as being like a succubus Like maybe there might have been experiences in her past that she repressed in her memory of actually being physically assaulted in kind of a sexual way Now one thing I thought was interesting with the movie though, especially is it got near the end if she had kind of a definitive Personality change I mean it was kind of clear she went from being kind of rational thinking rational thinking to kind of freaked out Yeah, she got to a point where she's almost lethargic. Yeah, it is almost like what are they called the Stockholm syndrome where you start to Connect with your your cap whoever's holding a captive and and at the end she was like I don't want to go You know I've changed my mind.

I don't want to leave the house See I have an issue with and I know that obviously you know an hour and a half movie you can only do so much But when it comes to oppression It usually takes a lot longer than a month and a half before you get full on possessed And that's what she was at the end of the movie when she's like, you know, Michael walks out the room after she convinces him to stay And she's like we'll be fine now like you hear different voice coming out of her like that point you can tell she's full on possessed But like I know that they say that it's been with her since she was eight years old But for the activity to just barely start up again and then after 15 years of nothing You know the activity starts up again and in a month and a half we go from being barely oppressed to full on possessed I don't think it happens that quickly again, you know demons They don't have any sense of time so that's plausible But yeah to have it spike like that so quickly in such a short amount of time seems very unrealistic And usually with those kind of cases the small activity that you see at the beginning of the movie goes on for a considerable amount of time Months and months and months and it slowly ratchets up It's kind of like when they talk about the frog if you throw a frog in a pot of water They call the AC ASPCA and they come take it Anyway, but you throw the frog in the boiling pot of water and it jumps out was that supposed to be a joke Yeah, it was a really bad joke, but I'm bummed you made society anyway So if you throw the frog in the boiling pot of water it jumps out kind of how the same goes But if you put the frog in the pot of water and turn the heat up The frog slowly boils basically and that's kind of how these things work is you starts out little stuff I mean, let's go back to the cleave evidence case I mean that case has been going on for over 20 years and the activity started little and got bigger and bigger and bigger Well the case we did last night started back in about 2002 So we're looking at like 15 years and years and so yeah, and again It's a movie and it's an hour and a half So you got to take that consideration by I'm with him to go from the keys on the floor after basically a little bit of activity Since she was eight to full-blown possessed. It was a pretty quick transition and not a very realistic But also but also having mica doing the things that he did with like challenging it and calling it out and name calling and You know the mocking I can see how that would instigate the response that he got as well But yeah, it's not gonna happen so quickly over such a short amount of time like that No, what's fascinating those it did pick her over him and Demonic entities focus more on women than they do on men and there's some religious foundation behind that why that occurs And it goes all the way back to Eve, but basically so that was realistic as well Now what kind of killed this movie for me the thing that kind of made me shake my hand go Oh that ruined the perfect setup is I thought the ending was terrible ending was terrible the whole you know We were we were talking about this before we started watching beaker was telling us about how He prefers the actual directors cut ending versus the the movie ending and I've seen both endings as well But this this particular version had the the the real the theatrical ending where Katie gets up out of bed and goes downstairs in a state of Catatonia and She starts screaming and then mica runs downstairs. I'm sorry. We're gonna tell this.

Oh, okay But yeah mica runs downstairs. You don't know what's happening, but you hear screaming you hear some some struggling and and then you know Mica his screaming stops After a few seconds you see his body being thrown towards the camera is his is a limp and lifeless body I'm just going to throw him towards the camera and then Katie walks in and she crawls over to his body looks at it smiles Man, the body. Yeah, it smiles at the camera You know breaks the fourth the fourth wall and smiles at the camera and then lunges at it And that's demon face. Yeah, and that's it, but in the director's cut you know You want to tell what happened?

I believe it pretty much goes down the same way He gets thrown to the camera if I remember correctly or he doesn't come upstairs either way like it ends with her walking up to the camera And I think there are police involved in the police show up or something. I think so. Yeah She so the kitchen knife that he used at the beginning of the movie where he's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna you know We're gonna find this and we're gonna take care of it. Yeah, I'm gonna cut the ghost Yeah, he she walks up to the camera and after having killed them You just assume Mike is dead.

Yeah, she's got blood on clothes I think because I believe you don't ever see him again after the screen But she walks up to the camera and slits her own throat and kills herself I think I actually preferred that I would have much preferred that That's actually more realistic because if you look at the kind of the steps progression of a demonic infestation slash haunting the end result The end goal of those entities is for the death of their target, but they also had to leave Leave room for creating the sequels that happen. Yeah, how's the Spielberg's choice? I actually read that really when we first started recording Spielberg had them change the ending And that's too bad because in reality Steve The suicide would have been more realistic. Yes, and it happens it happens more than you would know We actually even had a client who lurched and I worked with who committed suicide about yes six months or so I'm gonna get him.

He was he was very very troubled He was in some pretty advanced stages of possession and yeah So what what happened was we we contacted him and he actually met us in the office of a NLDS church It's actually his bishop his bishop and we were a wrenching meeting with him and his bishop at his bishop's office And you can tell when he walked in the office, too He was very nervous very fidgety and his eyes kept like you know bounce out all over the place He was very uncomfortable being there and basically talking to this guy He's a young man in his early 20s. He had basically spent probably his early teen years up through his 20s He might have been in the later 20s, but basically tinkering with black magic black magic Satanism I mean all the everything that you can think of that would be wrong and yeah And he had essentially invited these demonic entities into his body and I thought literally and I think that he realized that it's too late I mean you could tell that he wanted this to go away, but it was so progressed that Nothing really would seem to help and it's interesting. We give him a blessing We did we actually gave him two or three blessings I think cuz I tried and didn't have any success I want to say we had the bishop try and I tried as well. Yeah, and that makes sense He said he could feel it shift inside of him, but it didn't leave it was firmly footed It was firmly footed and the thing is it was something like that that His faith is part of it as well, and I don't think it was there I think he was convinced that it was gonna be with him Yeah, that was an an interesting situation and then we found out how long ago later after that did we find out the bishop actually sent Me notice about six months later and that was kind of interesting as well because we met with the bishop and the bishop was kind of a He was a huge skip to come very special We actually had this been probably about 20 minutes before we've met the kid kind of educating the bishop Yeah, and by the time we were done the bishop was a firm believer Yeah, he realized that you know this was stuff that it was you know biblical proportions where and you talk about a third of the host of heaven Falling in the the premortal existence where those entities were what we know as demons today that they never had a physical body And so he's like you know, let me just get this straight This is what you're talking about right and yeah, we did have spent some time educating man He thought like demonic possession even the Bible was that just mentally ill I think that he thought that we were crack possible We first walked in but I think that he was much less skeptical when we left Well say after about 15 20 minutes and talking to him I think we opened his mind and after dealing with this young man He was a believer in fact I kept in contact with that bishop for a little while after that until the point of the suicide and That one sucks because there's only I mean we did what we could yeah And I'll be honest with you with these cases we tried as much as we can but sometimes it just comes down to The faith of the person that's being oppressed or possessed right or sometimes the cause I if they're not willing to give up the the cause if someone's tinkering with magic and they're not willing to give up their tinkering Which really are we de-border whatever which really makes me wonder if the the young man that we helped in Twillow with his wife I'm wondering if he if he might have done the same thing if he might have committed suicide by now, too I would not be surprised There's another client that I kind of lost touch with that was really deep in and I don't know what her end result Was so that's not one that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest and it's too bad because you do it you can but again It's kind of it's one of those roads that I can't walk the whole road by myself and neither Can you they got a kind of walk they got me halfway down the bridge in the middle.

It's like I've been reading the demonologist Finally after you know great book owning it, but let me interrupt you real quick By the way the book kind of talking about it's called the demonologist written by Gerald brittle you can download on iBooks You can order I believe on Amazon It's a fantastic book with a lot of great information It is so far in the book like there's so many similarities between our cases and the Warren's cases, but Saying on topic here they say the same thing to their clients or did you know when they were more active in the field? You know we've done what we can the rest is up to you. Yep. Yeah, it's building a bridge You can only go so far and they have to come across and meet you in the middle and I'll be honest with you I don't know they've ever said this on the podcast.

I don't know if I've ever said this to you guys But those cases where they don't meet halfway are some of the most difficult cases for me personally It's putting a bandaid on the situation. It's not gonna solve it I've had a few cases where I've strongly considered just walking away and saying I'm done I'm done because it sucks so hard. You need to do something trying to help somebody and They on a superficial level they want help that they're not willing to take the steps to make the help stick if that makes sense I want you to come fix my problem, but I am not going to do anything on my end to fix it And I'm still gonna do the same stuff that got me the situation You see the pain you see the suffering and You can feel kind of helpless and I'll be honest with you There's been a handful of times doing this where I've just wanted to throw my hands in there and say you know what This sucks so bad for me that I think I want to be done with this and just live a normal life and not Deal with these problems not deal with the Creepy Latin text messages not deal with the possessions not deal with any of that stuff in situations like that too I'm I agree with you. I'm almost half tempted to say you know what we can't do anything You know, you're gonna have to live with this problem when you when you feel like you're ready to make a change Then you let us know then we'll come fix it for you But the hard part is is also when there's kids involved and innocent innocent by standards I've been affected by it's been affected by it and when I have those moments when I just want to throw my hands in the air and walk away and say I'm done.

Yeah, um I also realize that the good that we've done the help that we've given people um and and we're we're fathers I mean, I I think if I was in that situation and I probably wouldn't where you know, there's there's negative stuff in my household But I think you know, that's that's probably one of my biggest fears with being a paranormal investigator Is I don't want to bring anything negative home? That's potentially gonna harm my wife and my children I mean, I think about that all the time and I couldn't live with myself if anything Were to ever hurt my children because of my activity in this field, you know, I'm not gonna go to a whole lot of deaths But I mean there's been a deep effect on my own personal life I mean Just doing dealing with these kind of things and that's kind of one of the prices you pay when you do this is there will be some I don't want to use the word consequences, but I mean use the word consequences there can be some consequences in back lashing You know and not to get to depressing for people, but I know that you've got fired from a job over this Essentially, I've had a lot of very dire family problems If you will and I can't really get into a whole lot of detail on that because I promised I wouldn't speak about those issues But there's there's been some issues with that. I know tingles had issues. I know brandy side issues I'm currently having issues man after that investigation last night.

Yeah, Tim got walled last night I uh We were you guys were administering your your blessings and and normally while they're doing the blessings on the homeowners or whatever I usually kind of try to help in the way I can and I'd say a personal prayer During all the blessings just to you know kind of help you guys out and when we were when you guys were blessing the the father Um for some reason like the words just come to me like I started saying my personal prayer and it just like stopped And about the same time I noticed uh because I had my eyes closed But I could kind of tell like caden had moved from in front of me to behind me And I literally was hearing voices that weren't my own telling me to punch caden in the face Uh for what he did it's never a good thing But then right after I started hearing the voices saying no, that's not what we're gonna do we're stronger than this This isn't how we handle things so and then right after the blessing was overcame looked at me He's like you're right and he's like he had a little battle of good and evil going on there didn't you? Wow, yeah, he did and uh it was pretty interesting. It was pretty insightful. It was it was interesting That was a very dark house last night in fact not to get too far from the rails again Talk about that investigation but for a good portion of the night lurch is a millimeter had a temperature reading of 66.6 0.6 In the basement which is where we were having the most issues Is one of the rooms that they reported being cold all the time in the the temperature in there was 66.6 degrees And it fluctuate between a couple degrees, you know I think the highest ever got up to was about 71 and then dropped to about maybe 65 but many many times Right there at 66.

Um anyway, that's kind of our episode for tonight just real quick kind of Overall if you were to rate paranormal activity based on its Accuracy of paranormal activity lurch on a five-star system. What would you get on a five-star system as far as accuracy? I would probably say about three three and a half 10 I'm right there with them as far as accuracy goes. Yeah, they did they did a lot of study and research and I believe they did have an expert in the Paranormal fail or a field helped them with this movie.

So they were able to get quite a bit of it right But I mean there's obviously stuff that were dolled up for probably would be outside about three three and a half I'm As I take overall looking at all the other paranormal movies I've seen over the years I'm actually gonna give it a little bit more credit. I'm gonna give it a four. Um the things that really hurt it I think was the ending Um and yeah, they stuck with the original ending. Yeah, I probably would have rated it a little bit higher.

Yeah, that's the two The ending hurt it and the overall as far as their activity itself when it was pretty accurate So that's what I'm gonna give it a four like I said what heard it was the fact that the discord in the home was not there the way it should have been As we mentioned the activity the timeline was pretty quick But overall if I if someone says what's a fairly realistic Paranormal activity movie that you would recommend I would say the first one maybe the second one is well And the second one had the two little girls right that was the third one the second one took place the same time as the first one It was just showing the the activity that was happening at the sister's house. Oh, that's right during the same time What's going on the cover doors opening on the but actually I think it actually started at the sister's house Yeah, they found out some information did something and it was what said in the activity over to katie's house. That's right. That's right.

That's what happened What we'll need to do is in a future episode not necessarily the next episode because we only want to do this on occasion We don't want this to be a regular like every episode. So for reviewing the movie. I mean we don't got shit to talk about Yeah, and not necessarily. We're gonna start doing this periodically though, but number two might be one But just you know when we do do movies like this, we're gonna try and pick Very insightful tip We're gonna try and pick movies that are relatively realistic or at least based on a true story Should we watch the extras sometime?

I can watch it if I'm holding your hand. I should probably should. I've got a copy on DVD and I've got a director's extended collection of the collection of the series Oh, none of Blu Ray. Yeah, I got confession gentlemen.

I have never seen you. You've never oh my goodness I was trying to watch the exorcist that's gonna be the next movie that we watch we turned it off when I was lectured on the How we de-boards are bad. I've never actually used one another I have no I have been in the room and I have watched other people use them That's the most involved I've had with the we do board. I've never actually touched it I watched it get used it's good the shit out of me and I will never go around those things again So I dated a girl when I was living in Atlanta and she and I used to like to go to yard sales and garage sales And she found an old Ouija board and this is long before I knew anything about paranormal activity about a ghost investigations about demonic activity And one time I was at her at her apartment and you know we're messing around and of course we get out the Ouija board But I knew that I was moving the planche at so I had her convinced that there was a a young girl living there That had committed suicide and I had her freaked out, but I knew it was me that was moving it However, I have another buddy that lives in Atlanta and I think I might have mentioned this on a past episode He's now uh become very active in his church going activities.

I want to say that he's uh probably a bad test But uh he uh he had an experience with the Ouija board where they actually uh, you know formed a circle Let a circle of candles around the black candles and in a dark room with all the windows and doors closed They were actually trying to invoke Something to step forward and to make its presence known and at one point all the candles got blown out And they're like okay game over we're done because it was they were they knew that they had crossed the line and that whatever they had invited Whatever they had invoked was not pleasant was not happy So good stuff. Yeah the the Warrens uh mentioned in the immunologist about four out of ten cases They were involved and started with the use of a Ouija board. Don't play with Ouija boards kids And we have had quite a few cases involving the use of Ouija boards It pisses me off to see them marketed as a child's toy and sold in the board game sections of Toys R Us It's only one to buy alcohol but eight years old. It's only eight to summon a demon apparently.

I love that mean Yeah, all right. Well, I'll know really quickly though before we go. Um, I just wanted to mention I don't think I've I've mentioned that I am signed up for another marathon I'm not uh, I'm not saying specifically when it's going to be but I think we should have maybe another uh contest Half-ass contest half-ass contest. Yeah, so uh what I'm going to do is I'm probably even going to wait two or three weeks Maybe a month after I'm done to start posting photos so that people won't know specifically when I did it Where I did it because I think one of the last winners she knew exactly where I was because she investigated Uh, marathons that weekend across the country and she crossed it Cross-referenced it with photos of airports at these different places because I took a picture of the airport when I landed And so she took that photo and cross-referenced it with the airports that were having marathons that particular weekend I gotta say though, that's a pretty good that is very good.

We took that winter and we made it to her Seriously, that is some very good detective work there alka So also marcy Thomas if you're listening to this you still have your prize waiting as well because you're one of the other members That are not member but one of the other listeners that knew where I was at the time So okay, look Kirby. We are going to be reaching out to you sometime within the next week or two To set up a day and time you keep saying that now. Well, you keep saying that yeah, but I had to do with cancer You keep so rich. Oh, there's more excuse little I've got cancer where your radiation that went through monday through friday You know we can't do it 2016 to current my life has been in the constant state of upheaval They had to tell my balls off.

I have cancer. They didn't do that But I have to say that my life is finally starting to get to a point where things are starting to stabilize And so now we're in a spot where we can sit down and actually do it. So I apologize. It's taken us along Okay, so here we go.

We don't have to plug the shows. Oh speaking of plugging. We got to go stop. Let's plug it We forgot to go stop put a plug in that but yeah So we do have a ghost hunt coming up We initially had a plan for February 25th.

That was the big day that we had scheduled we actually had a flare up on the pod bash website Yeah, we're throwing out the window. Yeah, we're throwing out the window So just to kind of give everybody an update where we're at we are feverishly working on setting up a ghost hunt sorry if you request that day off from work so you can work now and I'll let you know Here's kind of like castle did let me Actually, I need to request off. I need to go on request that day. Um, so here's what we got to do Um chunk has got a big boy job now and has had a promotion and has got a lot more responsibilities and is moving and it's basically been super busy My life has previously mentioned has been in a complete state of upheaval.

Are we boring you beaker? I'm sorry. Are you bored being here? No, okay?

Maybe because it's 11 o'clock at night. I may or may not have uh Stayed at pod bash headquarters last night and then had to be to work at six in the morning Where I basically got there and hound on the middle finger and went home Anyway, because of that um, we we thought we had a venue lined up Uh, we were unable to get a hold of the venue controller and have been unable to at this point We will be going to that venue as soon as we do get that arranged We were looking at another venue Having a difficult time between busy schedules making contact and we want to give you guys enough time to buy tickets and plan around it And so we're to a point now where I don't think we can realistically do that by February 25th So we will post a new date as soon as we have a venue walk it then um, but there is a ghost hunt coming Uh, it is in the works. I've been working really hard on it. Changa's been working really hard on it Uh, it's coming.

I promise um, but just we'll we'll make sure that uh, we give you what three four weeks notice Yeah, I told changa that I want to make sure we have at least three weeks notice people looking at the the pod bash Website and uh, we should post information as soon as we have available Um, like I said, that was just kind of a teaser too about the uh, the the bad contest Yeah, for those who don't know I actually I am the webmaster for the pod bash website I do all the content I did the redesign and so quite literally the minute I have a walked in date Time and location for that uh ghost hunt. I will have tickets up for sale within like five minutes of getting a thumbs up that we've got a locked in Why are you striking your microphone stand? I don't know It feels so good. You like that.

Would I touch you like that? Uh, you know you like that, don't you? You know, we're not going past an hour ever again because you just make fun of me Eric's my favorite fun of you right from the gig. Yeah, we're talking about it hurts my feet Doesn't matter how long we go on.

We'll always make fun of you It hurts my name is castle and I like to stroke my mic stand. Hey my extent. How are you doing? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah So by the way, uh, listen to greg's guide. I was on the latest episode So you want to skip that one just fast forward to the music it'll really suck There is there might be a lot of talking about it. So I'm just gonna put it out there No, yeah, because that's not what you do at all Uh, don't forget the new shows. We have the new shows ticked.

Uh, well standard is up. Well standard has been around for a while But it's new to pod bash. Um, let's see so big so big in fact there's an episode coming out with laura from life on the rocks Please that's already out. Um, oh was it was released today?

Yeah, um, there should be one one when you get recording next week Yeah, next Sunday speaker and I will be on the next. That's gonna be awesome Next episode. I'm already I'm already trying to talk Greg into making where tonight permanent co-host of the show Oh, yeah, um, I don't think he's going for that quite yet, but I think he's gonna taste he said he'll uh, try to get us on as much We'll make him. We're gonna review a really do you guys know the movie?

Oh, yeah, we picked the movie. Yeah, I'm not gonna tell you Yeah, we're gonna be able to I might tell you after we're done recording. Okay. Now I He gave us three choices and I I'm a little upset You know what we do the choices to convince them to let us do all three of those movies Yeah, because one of the man is like one of my favorite podcast one of them is my favorite really bad beef lick Scary movie air quotations scary movie zombie movies and I watch it probably every Halloween So it's an amazing film because it's so bad.

It's good. Okay, so that's not the move We're gonna be watching those are the three new shows. Hefei who's one of our original hosts has got a show in the works If the first episode is in the can it's just we're gonna get approved through chunga and kenny I happen to be a guest on their first episode. So that one will not be good too.

There's a lot of fun. I'm just hitting I'm curious. Why do people want you on their shows when everybody knows that lurchinai is what brings it right? It's my record good looks That's why you're on the radio.

All right. It's my big time time the episode anyway Thank you guys for tuning in. We'll be back in two weeks as always have fun storm in the castle peace out butterflies You're listening to the Wisps was that you investigative studies for paranormal science? They're grown as adults that like to sit in the dark and talk to each other, but they all love their moms So that should account for something