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Hey, what's up everybody? So, uh, this is our third intro that we're recording in a row because you know, we've interviewed a lot of guests and we might have enough Stuff for three episodes and we're a little wired because we both just went through like two liters of soda in the last like five minutes And a box pizza and donuts and donuts pumpkin cookies So there's like a sugar, cola thing caffeine. We spend clean. No caffeine going on here.
We're about to crash Maybe last to be every hear voices again. Nope. We're on the internet. You can hear us whenever you want So this is probably the last episode of our three part series of promoting a couple of the Events that we're gonna be attending and that's why we interviewed all these guests The first episode or the first event that we are promoting is the metaphysical Expo Which is going to be held Saturday September 16th at the Sandy Southtown Expo Center And you know, I think on the other two intros we've just said you know where it's at but not the times I believe it's going from like 10 in the morning to like eight o'clock at night.
So daytime daytime and part of nighttime. Yes What's the other one the other one is going to be the Utah paranormal Expo. It will be held Saturday October 7th Also at the Southtown Expo Center also held in the daytime and part of the Wow, yeah, we were working on little sleep and lots of caffeine. So we have knocked out probably close to 1015 guess I have 15 interviews which none in the last two days They were all awesome and if you haven't listened to all the other ones before now She I want you to go back and listen right and quite frankly not again as we mentioned before I don't know how we're gonna edit these interviews together But they're gonna be there.
They're gonna be there. I was saying we interviewed Brandon. We interviewed Ruth the horse was where we interviewed Yes, she was awesome. So is Julie Julie or Julie or Jules the frog was awesome We talked to Kathy LaFee.
She was awesome. It's just been a really fun weekend with a lot of really cool guests Some of these guests we will have on for full blown episodes I know I know Castle and one of one of the interviews says we're talking to some name Adele. It is not the singer Her name is actually Adele. Don't tell us that singer as well as gonna use to get him to listen to third episode.
Oh, we have a Delon She says hello I don't know how the song goes. I'm just so you're worse on these guests. We will have on like they were there such amazing guests that We felt it was kind of not fair to you the listener to only have them on for about 15 20 minutes So we will have some of these guests back for a full hour long episode I know Jules we've already got scheduled. I think we're gonna try to get Elizabeth same back for an entire episode as well Brian canner doesn't know yet, but he's going back for an entire episode.
Yeah He's yeah, he's a choice. Yeah, we're kidnapping him at the expo We're bringing guns our sock full of nickels and We're going to prom and we're going to prom and we're taking Brian can't Long interview those are listening to you running. You know a problem is anyway Before we ramble on too much longer on with the episode on with the show Peace out butterflies. That's not the now I'm sorry That's how we start out your recording this time, too.
Welcome back. We've got a new guest with us This is Ruth Melor. I can go on the camera so she could be on it too. You probably could do that you probably should cuz she's kind of pretty But also everyone's gonna see my fast stomach And he's not wearing pants Not pants are short.
Yeah See better looking at both of us so So again, I'm your host castle and with me is Tim Lurch just plus be here today, but he hasn't quite made it yet He'll probably make it just in time to help us clean up this way off the camera. Yeah, then all you have is Ruth It'll get this time. Yeah, which is much better looking at Tim and I I'm actually excited. This is exciting And you know what this part this particular view I'm kind of excited for because Laura from life on the rocks and Shayla from life on the rocks I'm probably gonna enjoy this one doing this one for you guys.
Yeah, this is for you guys So Ruth tell us a little bit about what it is that you do well Specifically at the Expo what I will be bringing in is I do a lot of course therapy, but it's not your Conventional way to so to say it there's actually what I've done is I've incorporated the professional side of training into the holistic side into the healing side of it Also, and then I combine that together so at the Expo We'll actually have horses and I believe they are gonna be in the front before everybody walks in and we'll have a couple sessions where we When they have a session it can take a different form in different ways a session we I like to bring them in and center them and ground them get them open to Their heart space and trusting themselves then when we go in with the horses what actually happens They can either have a question a specific question or we have parts that need healing or clearing or they get into life purposes They also get we also get into In a sense soul retrieval stuff so as we go into the horse base then the horses literally become the Therapists and that's what gets decided after that so what they can do is they'll they come in and It's a it's a type of constellation work. It's a type of healing movement of energy But they will represent parts of you your questions parts of your future your past and So that your questions can be answered and then as that's working other horses will actually literally be coming in and yawning and moving and sighing and rolling just to clear out blocks that are in your body in the energy fields and Your mind and the processes that happen actually shift both it brings in clarity It brings in purpose peace harmony and it also starts releasing trauma that's been locked in the body you start Understanding why certain things work the way they work why you're attracting things or repelling things and while all this is going on You're fully supported by the horse Grounding connection and then anything that you're not able to move through yourself Then they literally come in and they'll start healing and working on that moving it So that's just a sit There's other things that take place that we that I'd like to do at the ranch But at the Expo will be doing that and sometimes we'll even if there is a certain area that is holding tension Trauma or just an emotional block or literally a health thing that's going on in that specific person Then I like to also go into a deeper level where I put the person on the horse and the horse actually will connect in it will Ground them it will also connect them up and into source and it will help with the movement and exercises It will literally start breaking that apart and moving it out and during all of this a lot of different things can happen It can be very quiet It can be almost like the people aren't sure what's going on but the horses are working and then it can also take life into Where they literally see almost a theatrical play out of the answers of their questions that's going on or them or their life and As the different exercises start to happen Emotions come up things memories come up Feelings and then we get to work on that so so you're like the actual horse whisperer. Yeah in a sense. Yeah Yeah, so now this is one of the more unusual things I've run across doing this In fact to be honest with you prior to talking to you today.
I had no idea anything like this even existed So how on earth did you get started with this how I mean does one just wake up one day and go? Hey, I'm a horse whisperer Tell us about how you got here and figure this out and where you learned this Okay, well, I also incorporate animal medicine in with it too. So that's also it connects into the animal connects into the universe And then it's a whole big system that starts to combine in so as I was growing up I had I had a wild childhood. It was a really quite rough at times And there was a lot of trauma and a lot of different things like that and I always were able to communicate with the animals My mom no matter what kind of stuff was going on in the house and around she always had animals So that was who I went to and I talked to him and I pretty much thought that everybody did I just thought everybody could hear him connect with him and had their best friends that were animals and from then on My dad we we went from Arizona to Alaska and actually took some animals with us cats and birds and my dad he killed himself in Alaska and So there was a big period where I was growing up very young but alone So my sister brothers sisters everybody was going through their own trauma and they all just did their own thing forgot about me So that's where the animals shined through when my mom re married he introduced me to horses That took me into the professional world of horses or the horse competition training.
I've worked with Train Olympic trainers. I've taught I was nationally certified in resistance free training I was the youngest in the nation at 15 years old I was traveling around the western states teaching clinics and certification to older people and this this took into how to start them into how to take it into very high-end competition and So that was how I got connected into the horses during my during that a lot of things happened where it shifted me into I traveled around the world and I've been able to train with some top gurus top mentors natural Holistics I've gone into some interesting places. I've not actually yet gone to the jungle But they'll be on the bucket list and in that with the coaching programs with the different Areas of mentoring it started combining a realization that when I was teaching people the reason why I could advance a horse into multiple areas that they normally wouldn't have been tagged to be able to do bread for that and how I could take a person and Shoot their competition level and performance up high was because of the ability to connect in to the communication And what the horses were bringing out and teaching and showing so a lot of my knowledge on top of professional was The horses and animals teaching literally teaching me these things and so I've been the reason why I took it into more of bringing it out into the open is Because my I have my horses that do the healing are actually really high-end competition horses A lot of people use rescues a lot of people use different things, but my specific courses are high-performance horses. They started Actually getting hurt like dropping like flies weird stuff right like I had one horse my top mayor She took a shovel and shoved it all the way up into her back and she should have died and she did anyway She came out of that she was hospitalized.
She came out of it completely sound nothing's wrong with her Which moved me to my other horses and I had another one I was jumping really high but almost five foot jumps and he busted his foot in two different places, so he's out and Anyway one by one by one just insane random things that you would never even predict So I had all my top competition horses Just drop off and what ended up having to happen was I was training client horses, but I'd cut that back a little bit So it forced me in a sense to start utilizing my horses as healers because I knew they could do it and I was just I was just intimidated to Express the reality of what was really taking place because It's new right or it's something that is not seen Normally so I started doing that I started bringing in and what started being attracted to me was people with MS people with autism people that were in Had had severe trauma people that were coming out of rehab or thinking about going into rehab people that were at High levels of competition, but then all of a sudden had this fear that completely locked him up that took away their whole dream of horse and those were that's what I started working with more and more and more and it's just evolved into quite a big base of healing and advancement into both the competition world and bringing essence to yourself to your life to purpose to divinity to Bringing it all where it needs to be so that you're not this chaotic mess and they will the hold space I mean the other day we I've had people that they connected into some really severe severe trauma and nasty things that has happened in their life and you just the horses just wrapped around and Held space for them and touched them where they needed to be healed and they moved the energy and that person screamed and stopped and threw stuff and wailed and Wrap their body around the horses and those horses just held them because they know they know the difference between honest communication And if you're lying and if you're willing to open up and be honest with yourself They will take you to levels that you will see that you'll feel that you'll feel from that you will experience that in my Feeling is a whole other realm in other world. It's the animal kingdom which there are secrets for everybody known So let me ask you know your connection with the horses themselves You mentioned you had a connection with animals I assume it's more animals than just horses Right, but what is that connection like is it just like an intuition with you or is it more of something along the skin? We work with a lot like second mediums who can actually hear and see things yeah Describe to us what that connection is like for you as far as how that works So there's a different there's a few different things that happen. There is a type of psychic medium that happens in it too For myself I utilize Sometimes I feel what they're saying sometimes I literally hear their voice speaking sometimes they'll channel in past spirits or past loved ones that have moved on and they'll bring them in and you'll be able to I'll actually see them in the presence of it the animals will take on Like a representation and it almost they'll like almost start behaving like it If it's if it's a pushy type person or if it's something in their life that's really pushing them or running them over the horse will literally start pushing on that person and so for me there's a lot of different aspects and That's what you get to be keen to and sometimes they'll why I bring in the animal medicine is because sometimes they will if If you're not quite getting or they need an advancement in what they're communicating They'll pull in a bird right or they'll pull in my dogs or my cats will come in and they'll start doing demonstrations or something like that so I got a question for you So like when someone's going through the healing process of like a horse is it safe to assume like when they bring up the The emotions in that person that the horse your animals feel that emotion as well or and it only seems like the animals are better equipped to handle that More than we are yeah, that's kind of what I'm getting right actually when we bring up that memories But for us if I could be traumatizing but it almost seems like the animals Just something with them that kind of keeps them calm and helps them through it like a lot better than what we could do with it It seems like they're on a higher like level of understanding emotions than we are yes They are They're they're grounded more their their vibrations are higher.
They're connected into source into God mother earth They're fully connected So when someone is willing to start allowing the emotions to come up what has been discovered in my training and my experience in working with people Around the world is the way the world is changing now You don't have to relive every single thing that you've been through in order to get past it You don't have to send talk about it for hours and hours and hours and make it a victim story Even though you probably have been victimized however when the horses come in when we start doing the more advanced evolution is They allow the emotions to happen They allow the emotions to be secure and safe in a container that is protected and you get to Basically feel Everything that needs to be felt but you don't have to be re-traumatized Okay Now I'd have a question and you're probably the most qualified person that we've talked to who can answer this question It's a listener question that we've addressed a little bit on our show before all right He had some questions about animals and how they communicate And this is probably a stupid question But like I said you're the most qualified person ever across to answer it So this is for you Mike Finley and if you bring barbecue kettleships to the barbecue, I will kill you You gotta be non barbecue kettleships Mike now Mike's question. All right, I get this important business stuff out of the way Which is the kettleships? I like salt and vinegar chips by the way You're welcome to our barber to investigation Mike's question was kind of animals communicate Do they communicate in a language that we would understand like English or something like that can you understand words or more of a feeling or perception I understand what you're saying with that So for each message and the individual person the key point is opening up to being able to be to receive and then trusting What is given so it can come messages from the animals can come with sounds stimulation The way you feel in your body you can actually hear what they're hearing or what they're saying or Say a wind though They take the the whole universe to start utilize that utilizing that for that so because for us smells trigger a memory or if someone gets too close into your space all of a sudden you're like okay I don't like that because or I don't know why so that's a message of listen This is something that you get to see and we get to work on and so it literally messages from animals can come in such a variety Way just just like how we as people utilize Prayer or answers for each individual person in intuition is the same with the with animals They can physically show you or they can stimulate other things and bring other things that way So it's not really spoken language as much as it is a variety of different modalities Yeah, there is there is body language. There's you know, there's more intensity of how you want to communicate but with body language there's certain things they'll do that signify something in their world, right like You know they do certain things like they pin their horse ears back horse pins their ears back They're they're signifying back off or they don't like that right and that there's generalizations of communication And but as far as getting and retrieving full messages it can come in a variety different ways is a matter of trusting You and Opening up to receiving.
Okay. So I think the other part of that question that he had is When the animals are communicating with spirits would it be the same as how they communicate with living people or is there a difference? So there is a little bit of a difference from my experience when they're when they're communicating to the human essence or the human body There's different parts that that gets to be communicate stimulation of the body goosebumps, right? uncomfortable feeling tump stomach turning you know hearing seeing feeling when you start doing what I like to say is Soltok or communicating with the spirits.
It's actually more. There's more clarity to it there is more peace in a sense to it and The messages the healing the movement the release all happens so much faster and that's why sometimes we don't get what's going on It's like okay I can tell a difference But I can't explain what it is and that's when it's going into a soul your soul knows Right your soul knows or when they're channeling into spirits that can that can come through Like if it's a loved one or guide or something of that nature then that connects in differently that can be demonstrated That's a little bit lower human style. Okay. Well, we greatly appreciate you coming to the show Ruth She will be at both expos both the paranormal and the metaphysical expo come see Ruth come see the horses Now if someone wanted to meet with you privately to have a session, how would they get in contact with you?
So I do a few different things We do grounded trail rides up the mountains and a couple retreat styles sessions and the best way to reach me is I'm on Facebook at Ruth Miller Ruth the Melor MEL O R and my phone number is four three five eight five one six seven five eight and you can text me message me or Call and we'll set you up, but yeah do groups or individual sessions too. Fantastic. Well, hey We appreciate having you on you've been a pleasure to talk to and we look forward to seeing you the expo. All right.
Thank you Thank you, and we have our next guest up. This is gonna be Nick man and Nick tell us a little bit about yourself. Are you coming to the metaphysical Expo the paranormal expo or you come into both? I will actually be at both of the expos.
Oh fantastic. So it doesn't be there a little bit about me I grew up here in Utah. I'm a Utah native. I've always been drawn into energy and energy work Kind of thing since a young age got into meditation Buddhism at a young age I kind of turned over into getting involved in energy work.
I became a Reiki practitioner 12 years ago I have practiced that ever since I'm a local successful Reiki master teacher I'm a practice is known as Reiki for life So what I'll be doing at these expos is demonstrating my Reiki practice And I also have gotten into sound healing so I have crystal singing bowls I have tuning forks and I'm big into chakras So my booth of these events will kind of be about Reiki and sound healing and vibration and kind of allowing you to find your own Place of deep relaxation. So I've kind of been drawn into this had to work my whole life So these events are way for me to kind of display what I feel humanity That's interesting. So We actually do a paranormal podcast We do a kind of the paranormal aspect of things But we definitely run into different energies and different, you know, methodologies of healing and whatnot So for our guests who are not familiar with Reiki tell us what Reiki is and how it works. Okay The simplest way to break Reiki down is a Japanese relaxation technique Reiki is about learning how to relax your physical body and if you relax your physical body You then open up your mind you steal your mind and you're able to nourish your spirit now Those are lofty words.
Now. How does that look that looks away? If you came into my Reiki office It would look a lot of the same as a massage place So you climb a body massage table nice You're playing ambiance is playing but Reiki is a Japanese energy that uses a life force if you break it down in Japanese Universal life force energy and by that it is a very relaxing and calming energy that flows through you So me as a Reiki practitioner, I do a series of hand positions from head to toe. It is not massage There's no soft-to-human emulation But simply I become a conduit for life force energy to flow and when I have a client on the table They are able to pull through me what they need whether that's physical relaxation Whether that's clearing on the mental the emotional or the spiritual realms And so in that way the person on the table actually pulls this healthy natural energy Energy through me and through them and it allows them to release anything that they don't need to hold on to anymore So Reiki Finding words for it's always a tricky thing because there is no substitute for direct experience of how it feels to have positive Loving life force Reiki guided energy just flowing through you and it just allows you to find peace relaxation and well-being Okay, so now you mentioned that there's like no soft-tissue manipulation and that you more or less kind of channel this life energy How was that done?
I mean is that done through touch is it just done? It can be done hands-on or hands-off. Okay There's three levels of Reiki and in Reiki one you learn how to treat yourself and you learn how to treat other people Reiki level two you actually learn how to give distant Reiki So when I say can be done hands-off or hands-off I mean it can be done hands-off all around the world I have clients and students all around the world because time and space are truly man-made inventions So you kind of learn how to how to transcend that as you get deeper into your Reiki practice But in the basic thing what you were what you were asking is you can do hands-on which means the hands gently just rest on you They don't move they don't do anything There's just a series of positions that they will follow and if somebody is uncomfortable with touch Reiki can be done completely hands-off By going just off the body because you can feel the energetic signature of a person just off their body And you can then channel the energy from about one to two inches off their body for their whole session Okay, and now you mentioned chakras and you mentioned energy off the body now. Do you do anything with like say auras?
I work within the art field I have tuning for it so they're both useful on the body and then I have tuning for it so they're chakra tuning for it And they are used for the subtle bodies which is off the body and through the art So when I use my tuning for it I comb through the art field with the different tones to smooth that out And one thing that I am doing at these next two exposes I'm teaming up with with a Reiki student of mine who also does the brilliant photography the art of the topic We're offering is ability to sit down with her get your art picture taken pick one of the modality I do whether that's Reiki singing bowls tuning for or all of them combined Come over to my booth get that treatment done then go back to her booth and get your after picture taken So in this way you'll be able to see your before our picture and then your after our picture after experiencing these modalities that I offer And I'm in a lot I'm not gonna lie that's actually kind of intriguing to see a before our picture Get some healing down in the post or a picture and see a Proof if you will that uh, yeah, because I I mean let's be honest You know as well as I do there's a lot of people out there in the general public who are very skeptical of Anything with the word energy attached to it that doesn't plug into a wall Or how bad he's in it Agreed we did this at the last Expo only on one person and I only did a two minute to know upon this person with my tuning for It's only and there are it was completely different and you could see the effects of these modalities So we got real excited about that So we're we're teaming up for those next two expos will be as a metaphysical expo and the paranormal expo offering this So doing say like a raky healing. Um, how long does something like that take? At my private office. I offer 60 minute sessions 75 minute sessions and 90 minute sessions At these wellness events I offer 20 minute sessions that are really compact with all the modalities I can kind of combine it.
I think about 20 25 minutes So I can kind of do any time length I say less than 20 probably isn't really worth it And 20 or longer is really where my time frame begins and goes. Okay, so if someone comes over to see a booth You'd be doing 20 for 20 although they really probably get 25 minutes for 20 Okay, that's not that's a very reasonable price and a good time period there sounds like now You mentioned that you do a vibration healings Can you explain to our listeners kind of what the theories behind that and how the vibrations work and how they affect the body and the spirit and energy and those sort of things? Sure. Well, if you look back at human history and you look back at the history of sound healing You quickly find that humans have used vibration and sound since the beginning of time to you kind of foster these levels of Relaxation health healing.
So I kind of just build on that You know, like I said humanity's had this had this with us these gifts with us this whole time So I use the tuning forks the singing bowls. I'm learning the didgeridoo different things to to be able to Provide that vibration because as we are an ever-changing being Wherever inundated with things around us and stresses and whatnot and just akin to going and listening to your favorite music How that can help you feel better? That's what this is about because when you do sound vibration therapy for yourself Your molecules want to align to that vibration When I play the bowls you don't hear them in your ears You feel them in your heart you feel it in your whole body And so since we are a perceptive being to play these tones and vibrations around and on the body Sets it up to kind of follow that So if I'm playing soothing tones and I'm playing wonderful things that relax you naturally you're going to find yourself becoming more relaxed So the way it works is kind of like that we just we make the vibrations We make the sound but we make it with the intent of your inner piece of the client's healing of the client's release And the body and the molecules kind of kind of start to line up with it So that's the beauty of it So after I play my bowls people are in a much different place than when I started simply because tone is so powerful Even music itself is simply organized sound So all I'm doing is kind of breaking that back down to more elementary principle of just the sound by itself And when you do that on a body it kind of responds beautifully You know it's interesting that you mentioned like when you hear your favorite music because I think most people can uh Can kind of uh What's one of them look for that can kind of identify with that? That's exactly what I was like for identify with that because I mean we all have that I'm gonna put on the song and go lift weights and just kill it and we all have that I'm just gonna I'll tell you just on the way to work just to kind of get myself motivated for the day Sometimes I'll throw on um can't stop the feeling by Justin Timberlake It's just such a the song just like speaks to me like I'm assuming this is how like the Reiki works Where it just kind of talks to your body and just kind of tells you what you need Yes, yes, and I like that you guys brought up your favorite song because yeah The emotions that evoke the way we can be so powerful with sound in our life Whether you put on a song that makes you feel good or you listen to maybe some angry music that kind of takes you there Or you listen to calm piano music kind of takes you there You see that we kind of mix and match and we match the vibration of what we're hearing So and the Reiki Reiki just Reiki yeah, it flows in the body mind soul of the person on the table knows what they need And it naturally and powerfully flows through them and allows them to release because I'm a big fan of the the school of thought that nobody can ever heal you So when these people are on the table, they are the ones in control They are the ones pulling the energy through me.
I am not providing this They are in power and by that way, they're able to soak up the tones first I play my singing bowls and do tuning ports first Then I step into the energy part and they can just feel it flow But they pull through what they need and then afterwards I use the tones as well to ground them back out bring them back and reset them You know, it's interesting that you mentioned that nobody can heal us and that's kind of deep because if you think about it Even with like medical healing we can really truly only heal ourselves You know, I mean doctors can go and remove things or change things, but the healing is still all ours I guess that's gonna be the same with the tuning forks and the bowls and everything else I mean you're helping you help facilitate that but it's really the individual who's doing their own healing Without a doubt, I like how you brought that up about the medical community because yes, even if you take that pill that doctor gave you Your body synthesizes and your body deals itself. It wasn't the pill it wasn't the doctor So just like you alluded to right now, that is what I do I hold space I create space for this I create a safe space for people to really let go of the outside world and find their deepest relaxation And that is my job is to create a safe space to be a conduit of this energy But it is that person who's chosen to be there It's the power behind their choice to choose to experience these modalities and be open to the possibilities that will take it is Where like deeper and where they would need it to go. It's not up to me to decide so They they pull it in and yeah, so you're right I hold space and I create space and that is my major job So I'm assuming this is gonna work I just kind of like with anything else where if the person just kind of comes in with a really like closed mind Just assuming that nothing's gonna happen or it's not gonna work It's gonna happen exactly that way, right? Like you have to be open to it if if you've got this like really bad attitude thinking that the whole thing's kind of hokey Like it's that's just how it's gonna end up being as you're not gonna be really benefit from the experience Yeah, I don't think I could have said that better myself.
Yes. So let me ask you I'm gonna play devil's advocate here with Tim's question Um, what would you say to somebody who says well, maybe that's just the placebo effect that because I think it's gonna work it's gonna work My answer to that is what's the work that's gonna happen then? I mean if it works it works, right? So yeah, it was all placebo even if it is all hope is focused.
What if the person's more relaxed? What if they're well-being is up? What if they feel better? What if they have that emotional release?
What if they get clarity on a situation? What if they feel better? What's the worst that would happen even if it is placebo? Yeah, I hate it when I feel good It's interesting to say that because that's always kind of in my theory with a lot of things because you know, Tim and I we specialize in paranormal investigations That's what we do and you know we run into a lot of skeptics, but Tim and I both seem things are amazing and Ultimately, you know, and we deal with we work with a lot of stuff.
We work with energy stuff We have worked with crystals, you know, and there's a lot of this stuff that even three or four years ago when I first started getting Investigating that I thought I was skeptical about and you know here I am years later where my mind says completely changed because of the stuff that I've seen or I've dealt with Well, I was gonna say even when our investigator still is kind of if he on whether or not crystals do things But my explanation to him and to others is exactly what you said and it's like, you know What if I put this crystal in my pocket and it somehow helps me fantastic And if it's just a lump of mineral in my pocket doing nothing, I've lost absolutely nothing by using it By being open to the possibility that being more those are the people that start to develop real relationships with the crystals and the stones and and that kind of stuff So I completely agree with that and I like what you said about, you know, three four years ago You know, this wasn't something maybe even you were totally into or bleed in quote-unquote kind of thing same with me You know, I started 12 years ago and I was putting my hands on people and making sure what I was too I wasn't sure if it was placebo. I had no idea, but after 12 years of walking the walk I know what I know for me about it. So that's where it's not placebo for me But like you guys asked, you know, if it is then so be it I'll keep adding this goodness into the world all day long So let me ask you real quick with like the bowls and the the tuning forks I know that there's some proponents that certain frequencies have certain effects Do you use those based purely on their soothing effect or do you actually are using things for specific frequencies to do certain things? I don't know if my question is clear or not.
Yes, it is The thing so I know I know the surface level on frequencies. I'm always kind of studying them I don't use mine in that way. However, each one of the bowls is attuned to a note Which you can kind of break down into a frequency and all of my tuning forts have the frequency written on them So they're so I have like a print out that kind of describes a little bit about the frequencies But I'm not deep into that part of it. Mine's more just the intention Um as I play them, I also am too kind of the reiki behind it So mine's more about the soothing and then some of the frequencies, you know that jumped out of me Like I've got some home tuning forks and some kind of investigating their frequencies a little more But I take it more from from the latter thing you said more the the soothing effect more just the actual sounds and the tones of it Okay, well, I think we're at a time.
We appreciate coming on talking with us Uh for those who make it to both expose look for Nick man Um, you know, it sounds like the prices that they've got set up are very reasonable and it sounds like it might be a cool opportunity Especially if you're on the skeptical side to go get your art picture taken Uh go get some healing down and get another art picture taken and kind of prove it to yourself that it that this is very real Now if someone wanted to contact you outside of those uh outside of the expo, how would they get a hold of you for a healing session? Well, when they when they do come to the expos my booth is called reiki for life That is my practice. You will see my singing bowls Uh, it's a lighthouse look for look for a lot of purple I'm big on the crown chakra So my practice is reiki for life and if somebody wanted to get a hold of me outside of that for a session I have an email that is nick. So my name and I see k at the reiki man.com now man is filled with two ends because that is my last name So my address is nick at the reiki man.com and that's how somebody would contact me for session.
That's okay Thank you. Nick. We appreciate your time. We appreciate you coming on talking to us and we will see you at the expo Wonderful.
Thank you guys so much. Thanks a bunch. All right. Bye I know your problem man.
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I am looking at you why I said that so I mean I'm not 400 pounds, but I do have a beard going on Hey, I am castle. Um and I'm here with uh, tim we call him beaker And we're actually perena investigators and we're also podcasters that we're working with the paranormal expo and the metaphysical expo Yeah, like five people are gonna hear this. Yeah, so you've got an audience like three people besides me and tim who are gonna hear this podcast Like the five people in this room. No, we've got a couple thousand listeners.
So yeah, we've got a pretty big following actually we're on the pod bash network So, uh, welcome to the show Elizabeth. Uh, you were on ghost of shepherd town. Correct. Yeah, I am So tell us um, how did you get involved in the paranormal field?
Because I know each of us kind of has a different journey on how we ended up here. Um, how did where you from originally class that? Yeah, I actually grew up in south jersey And I've had experiences for as long as I can remember from when we first moved into our house in south jersey around four years old And um, I actually went through the majority of my life pretending like these experiences I was having been an exist just because I always felt like I had nobody to talk to them about And that it wasn't until I moved down to the Washington DC area for an engineering job with the dod That I moved into this apartment where the activity there was So much it was so ridiculous that it got to the point where I was like, okay I need to figure out what's going on in my life to kind of validate these experiences that I'm having Um, and as an engineer it was really hard for me to logically wrap my head around like these very sensitive experiences as I was I would define them. Um, so I I actually started looking online for a Any kind of group that I could join I didn't even know at that point in time that there were so many paranormal groups of people interested in the field Um, and I started working with Maryland paranormal research and I love the group because everyone would either worked for the government or was like prior military at that time Um, so it fit in with me in that moment and we were very science driven team But that's kind of how I got into the field and ultimately that's how they found me for the show because they were looking for local investigators So now you mentioned that you had some uh some experiences when you were in this new apartment What are some of the kind of things that you were dealing with that kind of led you down this path?
I mean what kind of experiences? Yeah, um, yeah, they were very similar to one that experienced when I was younger, but this one started becoming more threatening I was really only dealing with this man in my apartment and um, it started off small with you know, sometimes I had dreams about him Him trying to communicate with me through my dreams and then it started like he started actually manifesting in the apartment where my dog would react and be chasing something around the apartment Um, I'd wake up in the middle of the night seeing someone's just standing there in the doorway And then eventually, um, it started getting more threatening my dreams with him started becoming more like nightmares And then uh one day I was actually taking a shower and I started hearing these men lose heavy male footsteps coming into the Into the bathroom like somebody was wearing boots And uh, I remember just freezing in that moment and thinking to myself, my god, like I know I lost my apartment door Like is my dog okay? Why are they not reacting? And to make matters worse, you started whistling So you started whistling this tune getting closer and closer to the shower and in that point I was thinking myself Oh my god, I like I I know I'm naked but I have to have in this moment Um, I guess I'm gonna have to like fight for my life or something Um, and then I mean everybody knows that feeling when you when you sense like a presence of somebody coming into the room Whether you feel like whether they're real or whether it's something paranormal um, and The whistling stop the footsteps stops all on the other side of the shower curtain Um, and I just like okay on account of three.
I know this person's there I'm gonna pull back the shower current and just like, I don't know make a rent for it Um, so three two one I put it back and there was literally nobody there And it was at that point. I said to myself, I can't I can't go through the rest of my life Not figuring out what's happening to me and I'd always had been interested in the paranormal Um, but it was always kind of like an under wraps sort of thing. I definitely didn't expect uh Never be on a television show And it's probably good there wasn't somebody there on the other side of the shower They've been bludgeoned to death with a bottle of conditioner. I know exactly So now how long did you run with the paranormal group there in maryland before you got on the tv show?
Uh, it was several years. Um, I believe it was like 2011-ish Um, that's about the time that I moved down there and started getting more into the fields And then um, I mean, I I still work with them as much as I can now Um, I mean, I actually just talked to Hyron today who's the the founder of the maryland paranormal research So yeah, I still work with them from time to time, but There's several years before the show. I was gonna ask that's gonna be my next question is uh, whether you not you still do paranormal investigations Now that the show is uh has wrapped Yeah, absolutely It's just it's such a passion of mine. I can't imagine my life without it and you know Television aside, um, I still get cases all the time that I deal with when my time permits So it's definitely very much so still part of my life Well, it's interesting that you mentioned that you kind of came into this with an engineering kind of aspect We actually have one of our team members.
Um, mark is a engineer by profession And he's probably our master debunker. He loves to when anything happens he'll spend 20 30 minutes sometimes hours Uh, in fact, I'll go home after an investigation and try and recreate uh, phenomena that he's seen to To debunk it. So it's interesting that you mentioned that. Um, yeah, I thought that that's awesome What is kind of your favorite?
aspect of technique when you go into investigation? What what are like some of your favorite tools? What do you like to do? Um, I always like to initially feel out the space Um Just because in my experience, I've always dealt with my life like battling between you know, the engineer and then the side with me that Would always have these experiences So initially I just like to get a sense of the energy and feel out the space and then um, and then from there usually go into Um figuring out like the natural elements of what might possibly cause someone to think that they have paranormal activity Which the engineering aspect comes into play a lot and then obviously been there during the investigation.
Um, and within the past year Uh, as far as tools, I've been doing so much building of equipment and um researching that that's kind of been my focus Is um creating various prototypes that I take out into the field and and really trying to decipher What's gonna work best or what's gonna push the paranormal forward? So I've got a question for you regarding the show like kind of how did you feel? When you were offered the part of the show and like during the show like knowing that you were gonna be able to investigate not just like one building but like an entire town You know what that was really like the appeal to me is um talking with chief king and knowing that the chief The police was well. He was sergeant at the time But knowing that the police was involved in some way knowing that we were gonna be working with a historian Um, and then the local psychic medium I really loved all of those elements to it because I felt like we could all validate each other at the same time and keep each other grounded simultaneously and um And then to be able to investigate a whole town on top of it I mean that was like just a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for me I didn't really necessarily know if how I felt about being like doing the television aspect of it Because up until that point in time the paranormal was a very private endeavor for me My friends and family didn't even know that I would go um paranormal investigating on the weekend and now all of a sudden There was this opportunity where everybody would know um and I think the fear in that was you know working for the dod At the time um anytime I mentioned something paranormal I was like, you know, your colleagues look at you like you have 12 heads because they're coming from a very logical I think it's the same with my work like people look at me like i'm crazy But when I'm in a one-on-one situation with them they ask like so many questions and they're so It's like they're they're afraid to let people know that they're interested Yeah, publicly but like they'll like pull me aside when no one else is around and like ask questions And I kind of get the same thing.
I'm actually my day job. I'm an svud detective that investigates the child sex abuse And so I get the same thing at work is that we don't talk about paranormal at work But again on a one-on-one basis people will come in ask you all kinds of stuff and sometimes it's like comfortable So afraid of supervising a walk by and get after me because we don't talk about paranormal at work Yeah, exactly But I just kind of pass up the opportunity and you know what when the show came out I realized that there's just so many people in my position that are like that And that's what I really loved about it is like receiving messages from people and and I'm saying, you know Like I don't feel comfortable talking about this at work Like we're talking about or even my friends or family Um, can I just tell you about my experiences and that's just the coolest part That has been one of the coolest parts about this whole experience is being able to connect with people that I normally wouldn't have had the opportunity to So now I'm gonna kind of back up a little bit in an interview and I'm sure our listeners are kind of curious You mentioned how this phenomenon going on inside your apartment Yeah, how did you ever end up dealing with that resolving that? So I started investigating for a while and then I led a friend of mine who's also on my paranormal team take over my least and I didn't even mention to him Uh the experiences that I was having in the apartment because there was still a part of me that was just thinking that I was insane So I let him take over the least of my apartment and after the first night He actually calls me the next morning and he's like so when were you gonna tell me about the man that lives in your closet? And I was mortified and I was like super apologetic.
I'm so sorry I had absolutely no idea. There was a part of me that didn't think it was really real Um, but apparently this entity got really physical with him and his wife that was staying there and uh they went ahead and and they had the house cleanse Um, and then after that they weren't getting anything else, but it was a weird sequence of events You know, that's kind of fascinating that's one of the things that we love about investigating is we'll oftentimes do you know A couple investigations in the location and we'll bring in different mediums Uh without telling the previous ones what we learned and it's kind of interesting to get that validation Uh, you know to bring in a whole new group of people and find out the same information through the equipment Absolutely. I did I actually did that in secret, um to uh, I think it was like four different mediums that I know in the field And uh, I was I found these old pictures of my child at home online And I was like oh, I'm just gonna say I'm working on a new case and sending these pictures and see what the the feelings they get off of it They're like what entities they think that are there And every single one of them came back with the same information and pretty much validated my childhood to me And it made me feel so much better knowing that when I was little the two main entities that were in the house were definitely there And um just to know how they would interact with me and what they would do it was just very specific And um that was that that was a pretty cool validation for me and that regard Now you mentioned before you're kind of working on equipment and some different gear to take on investigations Uh, which I imagine as an engineer is probably pretty rewarding to kind of work on that stuff Uh without getting into getting way too technical what kind of uh I guess what kind of approach do you take with that? I mean do you work primarily with emf magnetic fields?
What do you focus on when you're working on new tools for investigating? So uh So the first piece of equipment I used um or the first few pieces that I actually built Were based off of a lot of the data that I collected while I was with um maryland panel research And a lot of things a lot of things we've noticed is you know, our best evidence would happen in conjunction with atmosphere changes Um, so a lot of the equipment I started building was based off of that Um based off of you know, there's something in the atmosphere that's changing and there's so many different sensors out there Um that you can mess around with to detect that And when that event happens it triggers something else. So my beginning, um, my beginning devices and prototypes were kind of based off of that theory and um Nick, nick ralph actually used my very first piece on his show pereno Our visual spectrum and audible spectrum, um and working with stuff like that So the beginning was interesting. It was very much based off of all my research with past few years leading up to that moment And now it's kind of changing about that.
Okay. Now. When did you found ghostly gadgets? Um, that was uh It had been like a year and a half ago.
It was right after we filmed um season one ghost of shepherd's town Which was back in 2015 so that fall I found a ghostly gadgets Um and ever since then I've just been you know, working on it more and more a lot of my prototypes are used in season two of ghost of shepherd's town, which is pretty neat and then I'm in the process of working for another show now Producing some engineering stuff. So it's been it's been my favorite part of this journey so far So uh just advocacy um out of all the experiences and stuff that's gone on through life Is there one that just like stands out the most to you that's like like the most like unforgettable experience you've had Like either good or bad? Um, yeah, yeah, uh and it would take me back to when I was with mpr Um A lot of times we would take on cases that other people wouldn't and This one sticks out to me the most because it was in the earlier stages of me investigating And it was the one experience where it kind of reminded me Um Of how much you kind of need to be on guard in some situations. There was this one residential haunting We were dealing with up in bermont.
We actually had to go back to this location twice and uh Overall, but it's like one square block radius of this house. There was just so much tragedy that had occurred uh in a lot of depth. It was very odd and um The central point seemed to be this one house and the family was experiencing a ton of activity And I didn't really know what to expect when we got there. Um, we all traveled from you know dc up to bermont uh to go investigate and Um, we were investigating the massive bedroom myself and a fellow investigator my fastet And we were standing in the center of the room just trying to communicate with whatever it was They are and I remember him getting like this the strangest uh look in his eyes and his mannerisms kind of changed slightly And I remember him in that moment like welcoming the spirits to like so he can help them cross over Which was very bizarre for mike to do it's not something he's ever done and I'd investigate it within a lot up To that point but I didn't feel like it was him either Um, and I just remember Feeling like this energy shift and I looked back to the master bedroom door and it was like a train of energy Just came into the room and I started to slowly like black out and I looked to Michael and um, I just remember something inside me was saying you gotta get out of the house you gotta get out of the house You gotta get out of the house.
So I started making my I just left him and um, He was in this like weird trance state and I started making my way downstairs But it was like looking behind clouds like that's the best way to look at like I just felt like it was not really in my body in that moment Um, and I remember getting outside of the house and all this sudden like everything went away and I finally felt like more conscious again Um And I was trying to process in my head what happened in that moment And I was like, okay, I feel like I'm in a good place I need to go back and make sure that mike is okay And literally in that moment he comes outside and it was like I watched the same like relief come over him too And I look at him and I'm like what just happened up there and he said to me He was like I felt like there was some other entity with me And I I saw him standing behind me and honestly it was within that moment I was looking at you and there was only one thing running in my mind and that was that I wanted to kill you And when he said those words, oh my god, I think she'll think about he said those words to me And it just be it became a different kind of reality for me in terms of what we're dealing with sometimes And the reality is is that we don't know what we're dealing with sometimes forever for that matter if you want to argue that So it's very true. It was it was just like it was a good experience for me to have and beginning stages of me investigating Just because I strongly believe you know, you got to trust that people investigate with but even even in those situations sometimes it might not be enough Um, so yeah, that that definitely sticks out the most to me because it was like the first one that was like, oh my god Um, it's not something you really want to mess with so was there ever any like resolution at the house or is that one of the ones So you just kind of walked away from and you know, we actually we went back And did a full cleansing which is not something that group would typically do but that case in particular was given to us by the paranormal clergy So they gave us specific instructions to go back into the house and cleanse it So it's a very very interesting experience. Yeah, so let's about now What advice would you give if someone was just wanting to get involved in investigating or new to investigating? What piece of wisdom would you pass down to somebody who was just starting out doing this kind of thing?
Um, gosh, that's a good question a lot of people ask me like, you know, they're like I want to get involved And I'll say, you know, well, here's a great website. You can go and see local teams and stuff like that. Um, but I think that you know I think I would say just Make sure you're getting into it for the right reasons. I would definitely say that um be Like I feel like everyone in this field we have a passion for it for one reason or another We we sure as heck down to it because we feel like we're gonna gain something from it, you know, um All the equipment we use alone when we sometimes go on these investigations a particular amount of money And then on top of that, I think, you know, a lot of people come from the place like I just want to help others Which is what a lot of paranormal groups do when they go out and investigate people's homes.
Um, so I think it's And I really love the community because it's interesting in that regard Um, but I would definitely say make sure you're getting into it for the right reasons that you're passionate about it That it's kind of like a selfless field and from my perspective. So that's definitely what I would say Well, you know, it's interesting to say that because just prior to this interview we were having a conversation And I think you're right. I think there are people who are in there to help people Um, I think there's people in there who are just have a vast curiosity and they want to feel like curiosity Um, and you know, in my opinion kudos to all those people But I'm sure you've run across these people as well as we have it There's a few in there who are looking to get uh, and this is not a reflection on you by any means Because I don't think you went into this looking for that But we have people some even in our area who they're looking to put their name on a billboard somewhere Uh, they're looking at, you know, it's an ego driven thing. Um, but I mean again, you get kind of all types in this field Absolutely.
Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, unfortunately you see a lot of that and then you there's a there's a lot of dissociative drama as well in this field Yeah, we run across we've recently And it's really hard to see it too, you know, because you It's just we are kind of like a tight-knit community. I feel like within the past two years It's like everybody knows each other almost in some way shape or form, which is really interesting Um, but it's such a tight-knit community and it's hard sometimes when you see that Uh, especially with the online medium and I feel like I know better than a lot of people. Um, just how much hate sometimes can be Run around in this field too.
So a question for you. Um, do you have any like paranormal pet peeves where like you're out investigating or you see other people investigating And you're just kind of like why aren't you doing that or stop doing that like this makes no sense Um, I'm I hate I hate to think that I hate to think that, you know, I hate to think that because I also I I really hold myself to the idea that you know, not I was really 100 Now, um, I think the only pet peeves that I sometimes will have is when it comes from a engineering perspective Um, and just knowing realistically what something might be and not like 100 committing yourself to oh my god, it's paranormal Um, because people get really excited. Yeah, I think you're one of my pet peeves I think you hit kind of one of ours on the head where someone comes in and every single thing that happens to his paranormal You're like, wait, just hold on. Take a step back.
Let's look at this. You know, if it is fantastic But at the same time that windows open it's there's a playmail on our breeze outside. I think that's why the car is about the table I don't think it's a ghost. That's what pushed it over So yeah, I think we have the same one now last year we had the opportunity to sit down and interview a bill heartley at the Utah paranormal festival Um, but we do sometimes get our listener base grows continually for those who have not seen ghost to shepherd's town Can you kind of explain to our listeners what the show is about and where they might be able to find it?
Yeah, definitely. Um, so ghost of shepherd's town is a show that originates season one was located in Shepherd's town, west Virginia, which is the oldest town in west Virginia predating the revolutionary war and chief king reached out to myself and bill heartley as local investigators and that mikroff as well To try and come to the town and figure out why there was a spike of paranormal activity occurring there And I mean granted it's an old town They've had a lot of paranormal activity over the years But he said that the calls in the area had increased and it was just a little more bizarre So he brought us in to kind of figure out why Um, and then season two, which is currently airing right now in destination america Uh takes us a bit outside of shepherd's town We we start investigating other towns and looking at the elements in the land and the history Anything that we felt could be more associated with these hauntings whether they be intelligent or residual Uh, so that's pretty much the show is us all coming together and trying to figure it out So other than shepherd's town, what's been like your one like favorite place to like investigate the place that you've loved uh Love the most while you were there While I was in shepherd's town just just anywhere in general like on any investigation like just the Is there like one place that you've been to where you just absolutely loved being there And you'd go back anytime in a heartbeat like for us it would be the Stanley Hotel like we investigated a couple of years It was freaking awesome 30 minutes from me right now No, it's quit make me jealous. It's so beautiful up there too. It's just oh my god I mean you paranormal site like that part of colorado is just beautiful and it's just I know I really is So is there like one place that you've been to it doesn't have to necessarily been like Um You know a paranormal experience that you loved about it But just something like a place that you went to investigate that you just absolutely loved and want to go back to Oh, it's a good question Um One of my favorite investigations was probably my first Um, but I don't necessarily think I do need to go back there It was just my favorite because of the experience Um, and since then I would say The caves This is gonna sound really weird, but the caves in west Virginia were probably The the most intriguing and interesting place that I've ever investigated Um, and actually this Monday on go to seperstown We start to investigate the cave systems there and it was just a totally different experience Altogether, um and it was hands down a place I need to go back to I will definitely find a way because I think there's There's just there was so much going on there at the time and I don't feel Like satisfied enough in terms of the investigation aspect of it like I feel like more needed to be done Yeah, I totally get that's like it's kind of how we feel about the Stanley hotel Our trip there was like kind of rushing and waiting to spend as much time as we wanted Yeah, and there's even some local places where we've been I know there's a A mausoleum that we invested here that was just had crazy after the activity Um, well Elizabeth, we appreciate coming on the show with us Um and talking to us Uh, hopefully we'll get a chance to sit down to face-to-face at the expo and uh and really get into some of this stuff in a little bit more depth Absolutely enough too, thanks for having me Oh, thank you.
I appreciate you being on the show Thanks Alright, thanks Elizabeth You know, and that should wrap it up for the three part series that we had going on here promoting the Expos that we were talking about the metaphysical expo that's going to be held Saturday, September 16th at the sandy sultan expo center And the paranormal expo which will be held Saturday, October 7th at the south 10 expo center And again, these are just a few of the guests that will be present there And I just wanted to give you a taste and a little bit. I just want you to look at them just a tip Wow, how is it we have less than a one minute intro? This is an outro son. Well outro we've already gone like a full explicit rating I think it might be the like three hours of sleep and all the caffeine.
Can you show juvenile? I'm trying to be like you Mission accomplished. Hey again. Thank you for listening.
Um, as we promised we will have some of these guests on for full episodes Um, it's actually been a real pleasure doing this. We hope you guys enjoy all these episodes as much as we enjoyed putting this together This is actually this first these last series of episodes have been kind of a little bit of a labor of love Um, dianne Tim or Tim's here. I'm here. Dan silent Don brandy and lurch can make it.
We tim and I basically sacrificed our weekends Uh, I don't call this a sacrifice. I enjoy doing this. That's so why but you know what I'm saying We know I did it for us and I did it for the listeners You know, I appreciate each and every one of you listening to the show Uh, every other week because we're too lazy to do it every week Um, true besides, you know the scheduling conflicts that we have Um, but we appreciate each and every one of you for tuning in and listening to the show Uh, we also have uh coming up on a future episode if not mixed somewhere in all of this jumble of a mess Um, we're going to have jimmy lint darling going to be a special guest on the show as well and that one direction they recorded the family tree So I hope something spooky happens. I hope it does too.
I almost want to have a contest. I'm gonna come sit down on that But I can't think of anything else on my head really fast. No contest. You know what just email us Time for another whisk half-ass contest email us and tell us why you should come sit with us while we interview jimmy Yeah, that works.
That's what we did last time and and we'll it worked and if you win you can come Day, sorry, sorry, Dave. You won last time. You come with the family tree. You can buy your own dinner and uh, you can watch us be dumbasses Exactly.
Anyway, thank you. Appreciate you guys listening and have a good evening. Peace out butterflies or yeah, do that You're listening to the Wisps was at your investigative studies for paranormal science They're grown as adults. They like to sit in the dark and talk to each other, but they all love their moms So that should account for something