Part II: Interview of Stephen M. Shapiro, author of "Goal Free Living"

In part two of the interview with Stephen M. Shapiro, author of "Goal Free Living," Doug and Gregg riff on Shaprio's 8 secrets. The energy is high and the content is dense and fascinating. All lightened by humorous Shapiro anecdotes and improvised sidetrips to connect the 8 secrets to creativity and innovation. This might be the funniest -- and most relevant -- interview the Innovise Guys have done to date.