EPISODE · Apr 15, 2026 · 30 MIN
Pastor Mike Hayes & Dr. Jeffrey Garner, Real Happy | The Jeff Crilley Show
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What if the word "blessed" in the Beatitudes was never meant to sound religious—and actually just means "happy"? That single mistranslation, Pastor Mike Hayes and Dr. Jeffrey Garner argue, has shaped centuries of Christian teaching in ways that moved people further from joy rather than closer to it. Pastor Mike Hayes founded Covenant Church in Dallas and has led it for 50 years. Dr. Jeffrey Garner is a scholar of spiritual formation who started as Hayes's ghostwriter before being "unghosted" as full co-author. Together they wrote Real Happy: Jesus' Surprising Path to Genuine Joy. In this conversation they cover how the book was born on the Mount of Beatitudes in Israel, why "poor in spirit" doesn't endorse poverty but invites emptiness God can fill, the poppy-versus-lily translation and its connection to Jesus's attack on worry, why happiness is an inside job that can't be purchased or pursued, and how serving others breaks the self-focus cycle that feeds depression. Hayes also references Harvard's 80-year study on happiness—and explains what it leaves unanswered. imrealhappy.com
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On this episode of The Jeff Crilley Show, Jeff sits down with Pastor Mike Hayes, founder of Covenant Church in Dallas, and Dr. Jeffrey Garner, speaker and scholar of spiritual formation, to discuss their bestselling co-authored book Real Happy. The conversation traces the book's origin to a spring day on the Mount of Beatitudes in Israel, where Pastor Hayes felt called to write about happiness despite not feeling happy himself at the time. Dr....
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