Paul McCartney

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Oh, hi there everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Boy, we have, well, the most famous person in this studio and probably the most famous person I've ever met, Sir Paul McCartney, Paul McCartney is here, delivered Pudlian who was in the Beatles and in Wings and in our lives for our whole lives. And we're gonna talk about a lot of great things today. We're gonna talk about whether or not Paul was taller than John.

We're gonna talk about Paul's love of animals. We're gonna discuss what makes a great breakfast and how many berries are involved. And we are gonna talk about Paul's new music, Boys of Dungeon Lane, the re-release and new songs that have just recently come out. Special edition, we're gonna get into music in general. Of course, it is Paul McCartney, Paul McCartney is music.

Before we do this, we always like to speak to somebody who knows our guest, is a fan of our guest or in this case is the daughter of our guest. And we are speaking today to Stella McCartney. Stella McCartney, a huge talent fashion designer, incredible creative mind who is just so funny and warm and witty and smart and we got the opportunity to talk to her. And we're gonna see if Stella is gonna give us a good question for her dad. So Stella, this episode of Good Hang is presented by PayPal, brighten up the start to the festive season by getting ahead of the Holiday Rush.

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Stella, what do you say? It is so good to talk to you. I'm sorry we were having some technical difficulties. Oh no, that's good. We were having some technical difficulties also.

Am I speaking to you in England? Yes. Hi Stella. Hi Amy, I actually like you a lot. Probably a bit to this to get us together.

I know I've had the pleasure of being invited and dressed by you. But I've had the chance to go to many events where you have been, where we've had like a very quick drive by. And every time I've gotten a chance to spend time with you, I've really wanted more because I'm such a fan of you, your work, your creativity, how you conduct yourself in the world. And it's really, really nice to talk to you today. Thank you for talking to us.

Likewise, wow, that was a bit serious. That's freaking me out. Yeah, I got to be with you again. Never. I know you Brits.

You can't, you can't, one compliment and you guys get real. I'm nearly, I've only been behind in line. I know, well, you know, get used to it. I am great. I'll take it.

Are you in the middle of a show right now? Are we? Perfect timing. Thanks for that. I have a show in about three days in Paris.

I'm not busy at all, Amy. So the time is different and everything. It's perfect. It's brilliant. I was kind of wondering what I do tonight.

I just filled a hole. I mean, what I imagine is going through your mind right now with three days to go. But at three days to go before a show, what is left to do? Is it everything? Pretty much.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we only started last night. So I've got a lot of little, actually I've got children I'm using to help stitch some things now.

They're not my own. She jokes. She just obviously an sustainable cruelty free fashion brand. You grew up on a farm, right? I did.

What was it like to grow up on a farm? What were your morning jobs? What did you have to do in the morning? Wow. Well, in Scotland, with my siblings, it was normally just self entertainment.

I used to take rocks and bang them on up. And I'm not joking. I just take rocks and I bang them on other rocks. That's about it, really. No, I read a lot of horse riding, but rocks on rocks.

Yeah. And did you have to do? Did you like, I'm going to admit something. This is a very like suburban city girl thing I'm going to admit. So you might think less of me.

I've never reached in under a hand to get an egg. Oh, I did it all the time. Yeah, yeah. I never particularly enjoyable. Not really one of my little scary.

I would be a little afraid to get. Do you have to ask the hand to move first or do you? In fact, not many people know this about me, but I'm very good at impersonating chickens. Oh, really? Can we hear?

Boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop. Really? So I'm quite good at, I can converse with the chicken, among just many other things. So I'm bilingual in that process, but I did have to get the eggs when I was young. Well, your parents, like, it just seemed like they wanted so much to create a beautiful, like, peaceful and loving childhood for you.

And, you know, it seemed like that's what they gave you. I'm talking to your dad today and you've probably spent the entirety of your life having people ask you questions and talk to you about your dad. And I wonder what it is like to have to kind of share your parents with the world. Yeah, it is quite weird. I mean, I've only ever known that, to be honest.

It's not like I've had another sort of experience. That is my experience. And it's definitely trippy and weird and surreal. But I think also I was brought up, it was very extreme. You know, we were on a farm, it was just the six of us and we were like in a tight all in one room and mums cooking, dabbie sharing sheep and writing songs.

And then we were on tour. You know, we've like 200,000 people screaming at your parents. Yeah, you all went on tour together. Yeah. How fun, how fun.

Yeah, I was kind of angry when I was 18 because I was building friendships and I was kind of getting into the swing of my own thing. I was like, what really? We have to go on a world tour. But it was, it's amazing. It's actually one of the most, I think the biggest privilege is actually of being in my situation is being able to just truly see the world from, you know, from that perspective, just try to travel and to see so many different cultures and people.

And also it was all very much built from love. You know, everything that my mum and dad did was like came from a place of love. But I'm also not particularly like a look at me type, if you can believe it. So actually when I went for me going into fashion was a more creative way of doing things and just standing slightly behind the kind of stuff. You know, I'm not an entertainer.

Imagine if I broke into song right now. Well, we did hear a chicken impression earlier. We did hear that impression. Let me hear your chicken. What's your animal gone?

I'll give you. I'll be kind. What's your best animal? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. Jesus. I don't know my best animal. Okay, you know what? Okay.

I'm going to try a cat for you. Wait. Is this the first time you've ever impersonated a cat? In public. Yes.

Wow. Okay. Well, guys, you're welcome. Yes. And here's how I feel about cats.

They're fine. I don't love them. I don't hate them, of course. That's a cat. They'll do it.

Wait a minute. All right, here we go. Okay, go. Meow. The beginning was very good.

I think people are laughing because it's so good. But you bring up something that I think is very interesting. A lot of people that have public facing jobs are actually kind of secretly introverted. People would probably be surprised to hear that you consider yourself at times introverted. I mean, I don't think I would have said I'm introverted.

that's going to look. My example of an extrovert is a former carne. So it's not like, oh, I'm an introvert. I mean, I'm not compared to him. I'm an introvert.

I grew up with around SNL comedians. So some of those are better than anything are extra. And others really aren't. But they're still performers. Yeah.

You know, I want to talk to your dad about that because he's around SNL all the time. I mean, he's basically... I'll get rid of him. I'm like, again, really? She's just...

I had to get a little bit. I actually went to the end of last season. It was great. It was really fun. Will Farrell.

So you had Will and I was like, I'm coming because I saw Will on your show. You guys were brilliant. And I was like, Dad, and on the way over there, I was talking, I said, Dad, you please tell me you're going to get Will on and to do the cowbell. Yes. And I'm like, what?

What? You know the cowbell sketch. Anyway, so then he got Will to do cowbell. He did. And you're welcome.

Thank you, Stella. He didn't really give me credit. Which is annoying. Well, I mean, I want to talk to him about Lauren and that relationship at SNL because you're right. I mean, he was around a lot and their affection for each other is very sweet.

Like, they've... I mean, honestly, you know, you get to a point in life where you become... You know, we're friends with people for 40, 50, 60 years. And there's so much history there and it's really sweet to hear them talk about each other. They are very, very good old friends, actually.

I mean, they do yoga. You've heard about yoga boys, right? I like that you call them yoga boys. They call themselves the yoga boys. The honest to God, actually, no, I must get them t-shirts for Christmas.

Yoga boys. Why can yoga men? Yoga boys. Yes. Because they're always learning.

They're in a beginner's mind. So what is a question I should ask him? Like anything like a story that he would want to tell or something you still don't know about him or anything you think I should not talk to him about? That's always helpful too? No, he's pretty approachable, I would say.

Yeah, I mean, I can't think of things you shouldn't ask him, but you won't ask him those. And if you do, it'll be hilarious to watch. I just want to watch that unfold quite frankly. I bought two questions and I'll add two questions. Yes, of course.

The first one I think is... I guess I just want to kind of start by saying, you know, my dad is truly a living legend. Like, he really is an absolute icon. He's inspired so many generations of so many people. And his impact on, you know, planet Earth has been just gigantic.

Like he continues to just give and give and give. And I think he does that through lyrics, you know. So one thing up before my question, I just wanted to read out some of my favorite and like, you know, most meaningful lyrics by him. So I sat in the attic, a piano up my nose, and the wind played a dreadful cantata. Cantata, cantata.

Saw was I from a crack of an enemy's hose and the horrible sound of tomato. Tomata, tomato. Ketchup, ketchup. Super puree. Super puree.

Don't get left behind. Don't get left behind. Ketchup, ketchup. Super puree. Super puree.

Don't get left behind. Now it continues. It continues if you want a little more. My piano was boldly outspoken in attempts to repeat his refrain. So I stood with a knot in my stomach and I gazed at that terrible sight of two youngsters concealed in a barrel, smoking, monkberry moon delight.

So my first question I think for my father is, have you ever smoked monkberry moon delight and what is it? Fantastic question. It's from my favorite album from Ram. Which actually is my mum and dad. I think my mum shared in those lyrics actually.

I think she can take a bit of credit there too. It's called monkberry moon delight. Great. And it does go on. In fact, there's a bit about cats and kittens there and it's a good one.

So that's probably my first question. Has he ever smoked monkberry moon delight and what the fuck did those lyrics mean? So that's my first question. Okay, great. What is that about?

My other question, which is serious, which actually I asked my dad this the other day and I want to see how he answers it to you because I was really surprised by the answer, like really surprised. And so this is my gift to you this question, which is what is your first memory dad? Ah, beautiful. And I really want to know what he answers to you because I was like, wow, that's great. What a great question to ask someone.

I think your dad will be very happy that we talked because I hope he feels like I've gotten some good advice. I love that you asked me. I feel very honoured. Like I'm seriously, I feel very, very honoured that you asked me because you'd let's face it. You could have asked anyone to ask me a question and everyone would have said yes.

Actually, that's amazing. You asked me. Thank you. Of course. Thank you for doing it.

And we'd love to get you into the stewed. I have not had a designer and I feel like I would. Okay, great. Good. And good luck with dad.

I hope those questions are okay. Much love to you darling and take care. Thank you for having me. Thanks so much for doing it. Bye Stella.

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Hi, Paul. Hey, Amy. Do you get this a lot where people are kind of nervous around you and you feel the energy and you have to figure out how to make them feel less nervous? Like, that must be a thing you're used to. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. I don't know, just to kind of be normal. Yeah. You know, I was lucky. I grew up with a kind of very normal family.

Yeah. You know, those families where you get past the baby. Yeah. So whereas I know some people when they grow up and they have a baby, they're like, really scared of it. It's like, oh no.

So that I think I just use that. How funny you say that because of the many things I want to talk to you about today. You seem very comfortable around babies. Yeah. I think so.

Because that iconic photo of you, I think, with Mary in your jacket, that was so ahead of its time. Like you, a man carrying a baby. You just never saw it. Yeah. I mean, that was just how we used to do it.

You know, we used to go riding with it like that on the horse. But, um, well, she's now a mother of four boys. Oh man. She's a little baby in my jacket. Oh, okay.

Well, Pomegardi is here. You have such a wild life and timeline that is kind of like intimidating to talk to you for just an hour and a half. So if you'll bear with me, I'll probably jump around a lot. Okay. And the reason why is because I have this theory that you're a bit of a time traveler, I think.

Do you believe in time travel? No. No. Do you have my theory? A little bit.

I feel like sometimes I wasn't the age that I was. I felt older or younger. You can see someone about that. Hey, I mean, people, I don't know. I kind of know what you mean.

Yeah. I mean, I felt like, I feel like you are, I don't know, you seem, you seem when you are young that you were older. Yeah. That makes any sense. And I used to look at the lyrics of yesterday.

I'm not half the man I used to be. Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be. Well, I was like 21. So half the man would put me at like about 10 and a half. You were writing when I'm 64 when you were 20 something.

Yeah. And you, and you, you know, were considered retired at 27 when the beat, like, I guess I'm interested in this idea of do you feel like you're an eight? Do you feel like there's an age that you are? Do you feel like there's an age you feel? I kind of, I think like a lot of people, I mean, you sort of feel like you stop at about 25.

Yeah. In my head. Yeah. You know, then I was in a merry go. No, you're not.

Yeah. Me too. I feel the spiff. Yeah. Yeah.

And I like that. I mean, we, in the Beatles, we used to have this sort of thing whenever there was like a question about a piece of music or something to do, whether we go on tour or whatever, and we couldn't figure out the answer. We'd say, what would we have thought when we were 17? What would that guy have said? We're not doing it, you know, because that guy wouldn't have let us do it.

Yeah. And as we grow up, we kind of go, okay, we'll do it. But it was better to listen to the 17 year old. Because that 17 year old was more definitive, like more like yes and no, like more black and white. I think he was just more sensible and less, you know, less jaded by the world.

Yeah. You kind of say, that's a terrible jacket. Yeah. You know, whereas I would kind of later hold maybe now, I'd sort of said, yeah, it's nice jacket or lying through my teeth. Totally.

He wouldn't do that. You're right, because I think we give a lot of credence to the fact that when you get older, you get very wise and you have all this experience, but you're right. We do forget the like strong, truthful opinions that we have of our young. Yeah. I still kind of can't believe Paul that the Beatles broke up when you were 27.

You were only together for eight years. You made 13 albums. Those numbers are just really wild. It felt like when you were making music as a young person, it was like you knew you were only going to be making music with this band for that long is how it felt. Yeah, I don't think we knew it, but I think we didn't expect to go on for long.

Right. Because people didn't, you know, in this sort of rock and roll world, it was like, you know, five years, top wack. Yeah. But then after five years, it was like, oh, no, we're doing Sergeant Pepper. Yeah, we could probably keep going.

Yeah. And then, you know, we sort of did the white album or whatever. Yeah. And then I did wings and kept going. Yeah.

And it is really interesting to talk to you because you're somebody that people feel like they know a lot about and they feel, you know, you have been in their lives in a million different ways. I know you've been in mine my whole life. And in many ways, Paul, you kind of represent music, like you represent songs, like if songs were a person and we had to go, if we had to go into space and we had to bring one person, to represent songs to the aliens, we would push you to the front. Yeah. Here he is.

Well, thank you. When are we leaving? Yeah, exactly. Okay. So I love Morgan Neville's dog, a man on the run.

Yeah. A beautiful dog. Yeah. Did you like it? Yeah, I do.

Yeah. I mean, when he showed it to me first off, I said, there's a few embarrassing bits. Should we take them out? Fine. What was embarrassing?

I didn't realize that the farm we lived on was like so run down. It's a tip. You know, we were in love and we had a new baby and it was all great and I was, you know, I could fix it up. Yeah. I'll make a table.

You know, it was that kind of thing. So I didn't notice when you see it in the film, it's like you lived there and you had some money. Yeah. Shows to live in that. So that was a little bit embarrassing.

I don't know. Sometimes I don't bother to think things through too seriously. Well, that is always what we learn about you. There's so many things that I appreciate about you as an artist. One is you have a sense of humor about yourself and your work, which is a sign not only of intelligence, but it just, it allows us to enjoy it in many different kinds of ways, which is so nice.

And also you really let us into your process. You know, a lot of people like to keep people out of process because it keeps them mysterious or something. And I always felt like watching you work made me feel like I could write a song. It always made me feel connected to music. And that documentary does that.

It shows process Peter Jackson's documentary, like the idea of process. And I love what you say about your work when asked if you were a workaholic or you consider yourself one. You say, we don't work music. You know, that's right. You know, people say, you work a lot.

You know, you're always working. I say, I'm not, you know, I thought one day, we don't work music. We play music. So I'm like a playaholic. I'm definitely addicted to that.

Yeah. You know, because I'm sure it's the same for you. I feel very lucky that this is my job. Yes. You know, because when I left school, like my first job was coil winding in a factory.

Okay. That sounds hot and hard. So what did you have to do? Or a mortgage. I was wicked.

What do you have to do? Literally wind coil? Yeah. So yeah, if you have a big sort of wheel with coil wire on it, comes through your legs and you put it on like an armature thing and keep winding it. It's like a thing they have in motors and mine weren't very good.

Yeah. You know, but the idea was they were going to take me through all the things and then I'd be manager. Well, one day, John George showed up and one of the guys in the factory said, this sort of guy's out there, you know, I see you like, you know, so I went out and said, we've got a gig. We've got a gig at the cabin. Yeah.

So I said, let me think about it. You looked at the coils. I looked at the pay packet. Yeah. Seven pounds, fifteen a week.

God. And I can't believe I actually questioned it, but I did. I said, I'll get back to you. And yeah, and I did and gave up a career in coil winding management. You would have been the coil winding representative that we showed to the aliens if you had stuck with it.

We're winding King George was how many years younger than you, Paul? I think like about one and a half. And I was one and a half years younger than John. Yeah. Did you feel I mean, when you're when we're older, that means nothing, but when we're young, it's really important.

Did you feel like the middle child or the younger brother to John and did George feel like a younger brother to you? Yeah, I thought of George as younger, but he was so cocky. Yeah. He was, you know, you couldn't put George down. So yeah, he made himself older just by being very confident and like, you know, who is the tallest?

We were all the same height. I know. I've got to think about that, do you? No, tell me where. Oh my God.

Well, we were all the same height and we know it was a bit smaller. Sure. And if you look at photos, we were all the same height. But Sam Taylor would did a film called No Her Boy and the John character who she laid a married Erin Taylor Johnson. Yeah, he's bigger than me in the film.

My character is kind of wimpy, smaller than John. John knocks me to the floor. It's like, Sam, this is not true. Yeah, her only explanation. No, because she's still a good friend, you know.

She said, this is a movie. It's not a documentary. I thought, mm, well, I don't like that explanation. But I couldn't do anything because she did. Now she's made the film.

I never, there was like a little Paul, you know, John a great big hero. It's like, no, it's not true. I don't imagine what it's like to have people play you. I mean, it must be so strange. I mean, it's happening again.

There's another film called The Great Palm Escal is playing you based on your life, obviously not taken directly from your life, but it must be strange to have people play you. Yeah, it is. Yeah. And guess what? He's smaller than the guy who plays John.

I said, how Sam Mendes is making the film. I said, Sam, I've got just one thing I need to say to you. You know, Paul's a bit small at least. So I don't know how Sam's going to deal with it, but he sent me a picture still from the filming they were doing and they're crossing the Abbey Road crossing. Yeah, I saw that too.

But Paul's character is markedly smaller. And you can't put lifts on that bare feet. That's true. I mean, that's what he was. So I texted him, Sam, don't do this.

He said you wouldn't do it. He said, no, it's okay. It's just a stride pattern. And he sent me another one word. He's going to smush him.

They were equal. But I guess the way in which you guys laughed at your competitive nature, we all as Americans, especially we love because we love, that's what families do, I guess, is what I'm trying to say is families tease and they can kind of comment each other in ways that other people can't. And that always felt like the relationship you had with all of, and that you have with them still. Yeah, you know, the good thing was we grew up together. So there was like a family aspect.

Me and George went to the same school and I'm John went to the art college next door. So we all kind of, and it took years for us to kind of get any fame. So we were out in Hamburg, schlepping around, playing, you know, not very nice little clubs. We enjoyed it. Because we were young kids in Hamburg.

And we'd never been abroad before, you know, so that was like, but yeah, so that when you know each other that well, and we've been together that long, it does become like a family. So then that finds its way into your writing and your work, you know, that I can tell what he's thinking, or I can tell him that I didn't like that line, or he can tell me that sucks. And so that's very good, as you know, for writing. Well, we're back to that 17 year old, like very blunt way of saying this is good, this is bad, you shouldn't wear that, like all that stuff. I mean, and I'm sure you know that as you get any level of success, sometimes people are afraid to give you real feedback.

Yeah, that's a danger now. You know, people all say to me when I'm working with the producer, you say, does he tell you if it's no good? Yeah. I'm not sure. Right.

How could you know? Maybe he doesn't. I know. I think you find people who will tell you and stuff, but it must be hard for them. Yeah.

You know, I think so. You've got such a reputation. Uh huh. Right. You know, to tell you a joke isn't funny.

It should. It should. It should. That wasn't funny. It should.

Yeah. Yeah. I know what you mean. But you know what I'm so, I'm always so impressed by so many things that you do, Paul, but one of them is the idea of continuing like onto the next, like what is the next adventure? Like, you know, you're always looking creatively, especially for ways to just continue to be inspired and to continue to work together.

You have any record boys of Dungeon Lane. Well, I hear about it. Yeah, I do. I'm fascinated by your process of how you write songs. I think the good thing is I'm fascinated too.

I don't know. I do a class in my old school. I mean, George went to a little pool. It's called Lippa. And I go there every year and do a class with the songwriting students.

And the first thing I say to them, they come in one on one. So it's terrifying for them. Yes. Oh, they come in one on one. They play.

They come in one on one with a guitar or a little piece of, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I say, I sit down and say, I don't know how to do this.

You know, I know I'm teaching you. I have no idea how you do it because your song is going to be different from mine. So then we work it through and they'll play me one of those songs. And then I will sort of say, that's very good. Or how about that second verse, maybe good as an opening verse?

Because I think it's a bit stronger. So I just take them through sort of gentle hints. Well, mainly by the time they get to me, they're pretty good. You know, they've done three years. And I don't know how to do it.

That's the point. And I don't want to know. You know, I always just sit down with a guitar or at the piano and just start plonking something. And if I find something that sounds good, I just follow that. Yeah.

That's not bad. Where could it go next? Well, it could stay there. You know, all that stuff. Yeah.

And then you learn in yourself, the natural thing to do is you move through the courts. Yeah. You know, or you can tell yourself, no, don't move. Don't move. Don't move.

Don't move. Don't move. Don't move. Don't move. Don't move.

Don't move. Don't move. Don't move. Don't move for me. And then if you get a good opening line.

That's a great thing, because you kind of then know where you going, you know, and on Don't You Dance Lane There's a song called Days We Left Behind, which is special for me. And I knew I had, I had something when I... It was looking back. I'm thinking about looking back to photographs of the past. So you could say, looking back at black and white photos, but I knew it was good when I said it, he said modestly.

I said, looking back at white and black. So just the fact that I switched to black and white photo anymore, it's a white and black. So it obviously arrived. So looking back at white and black reminders of the past or whatever, I just thought, oh, okay. So you're looking at photos and you go there, just let's see what you remember.

And it's nice, I have a lot of good memories. When you hear a song that you've written, you've written so many, do you remember the making of that song when you hear it? Do you remember the writing of it? Do you know it like? A lot of the time I do, yeah.

The process of making it when you hear it? A lot of the time. Sometimes though it is crazy because they have a Beatles channel on Sirius. Yes. If I'm hiring a car, my driver will like, he knows to have it on.

Ah! That's a good chance. But normally it's quite quiet, so you can talk and things and then I'll hear something. I'll say, oh wait, return this one up. And talking about remembering writing the song, it turned one up because I couldn't remember what the title was.

What's this one? And then he played, I couldn't even remember the song. Yeah. And it just come and gone so fast. Yeah.

So yeah, I don't always remember them, but a lot of them I do. I have pretty strong memories of, yeah, like Moloch entire Wing song that was very successful. Backpiper. I loved seeing that in the doc, making that, like watching you make that song. And also in the doc learning about how wings came together and your intention behind bringing people together, which was really interesting.

And for me, it was the first time I heard you speak about how important it was for you to feel like part of a group, like you like being around people and you like being part of a group and ensemble. Yeah. What do you like about it? Just the companionship, just the friendship. And the other opinion.

Yeah. Having another opinion in the room kind of another. I like that. I mainly just playing together. Yeah.

It's like kindergarten. Yeah, the play, the word play is back again. Like, do you have a pre-show ritual? Do you do anything always? Like, do you not eat two hours before the show?

Do you have a superstition? Not really. I do have a ritual. What is it? Can you tell us what it is?

What is it? Okay. Okay. Here we go. Well, I don't eat.

You know, I have like lunch. Let's even back up further. What time are you going to bed? The night before? The night before?

I don't know. Random. You musicians, with your bedtime. I know, just a crazy bunch. Just a crazy bunch.

No, I don't think about that. That's normally, I mean, it's normally not too late. Okay. It's not too late. It was six in the morning.

We'd gone right through. Probably would worry a bit. Yeah. But no, it's kind of normal bedtime. Okay.

And yeah, I get up. I just have my breakfast. What's your breakfast? Breakfast. How do you take your tea?

It's really kind of boring because it's always the same. It's like cereal. Bit of cereal. Not too much. Just a little bit.

Berries. Yeah, that's the super food. Berries. You got to bury it up. Five raspberries.

Whoa. Gotta be five. Looks good. Don't, don't, don't. Handful of blueberries.

Oh yeah. The blueberries are so good. Eat a little too many. Sock them in. And it's strawberry which I caught up.

Ah, huh. Meditative. Are we really doing this? We're going to do another hour of this. This is great.

Take a breakfast. To take coffee or tea? No, in the morning. It's just water. No caffeine?

No, I know. I be a coffee person. I know. No, I'm English. But, yeah.

The tea all day long. No, I know. I love people. You know, my kids drink coffee. Yeah.

Quite a lot. I will have like one coffee in the middle of the day sometime often. Yeah. out of few pecans, out of few raisins. If you wanna party.

Yeah. And then there's a very specific lunch. Okay, let's hear it. Keep lunch. Oh, a gig, oh yeah, a gig lunch.

No, a gig day lunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But because I mean, being on stage, I mean, I've talked to a lot of performers who just being in front of an audience is so physical. And you have been on stage for most of your adult life in all different stages with different types of people and in different shows.

What is, what's the thing now that you're loving about being on stage, like what does it look like to be on stage now? I mean, for example, we've got like Bruce still doing three hour shows. We have Taylor Swift doing three hour shows. Like a lot of expectation for people to do long shows. I know, I blame him.

I told him. I said, you're bloody fault, right? I know. We used to do like an hour. Stone still do something like an hour or so.

Yeah. Old school. But now Bruce just suddenly doing these three, four hours. So that's what we do. You do, I know.

You know what I love though, the audience. Yeah. That's what it's all about. Yeah. And my audience is, touch wood, are very loving.

It's so warm. Yeah. You know, they're just so cool. And all ages, it's the amazing thing. I always expected them to be my age or slightly younger or whatever, but it's not like that.

There's a lot of young kids. Yeah. Well, you're every favorite artist's favorite artist. Wow. You are.

And is there any music right now that you listen to and you think, I wish I wrote that? No. Very good. Not really. There are some people I think are really good.

You know, like Billy Eilish, I think is cool, but I don't think I want to have written her songs. Right. And also a lot of songs these days are break-up songs. Yeah. And I'm married.

Right. You're in love with a beautiful woman and you're in love with a beautiful woman and you have a fantastic breakfast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's true. No, so, I don't think there used to be songs. Like I used to want to have written one of Billy Joel's songs, the way you are. Yeah. I always thought that was like kind of thing I could have written.

Yeah. I think that's a nice song. I'll tell you what, some of them are like very banal. Yeah. I want your...

Ooh, ooh, ooh. I want it. Ooh, ooh. This could be a hit. And then you got to do the movie.

You got to do the top dance. Yeah. Yeah. This from the man that gave us, she loves you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Okay. I mean, I'll protest. I bet you've been able to collaborate with mostly everybody that you wanted to collaborate at some point. And I ask this question and I always think Bob Dylan.

Yeah. But I'm too nervous to ring him up. Bob. Yeah. It is Paul.

Yeah. I can't even picture him being on the telephone, Bob. No. I can't actually picture him using... No, he's just some bush.

He's writing in a journal. He's sleeping back maybe. Yeah. Who was the first famous person that you met? First famous person.

When you were young, starting out, who was... Did you meet someone who you wanted their autograph or you were blown away that you knew that they were a famous person? The Queen. Whoa. And that's an autograph you're not going to get.

No, she's great. I love the Queen. I love the Queen too. I really... Well, you know what happened was...

This is what Bob was. She was crowned. She's a doll. She was crowned when I was 11. So and she was a babe.

Yeah. You know, when I was 11, she was like 23 or something. So we all used to think, wow, this is amazing. You know, like, you know, having a king. This girl.

Yeah. This babe. So we kind of liked her in other ways than we should. We shouldn't have liked her. Right.

You know what I mean? Right, right. So yeah, so meeting her was special. How old were you when you met her? Probably about 21 or something.

Yeah, wow. Nancy, my wife, she says she fancy do. Now there's no knowing if there's any truth to that. I'll just say it's true. I'd like to think it's true.

And I think she would... Not to speak for the Queen, but I will. I would think she would enjoy Nancy saying that. I think she would get a laugh out of that. Like she would enjoy that.

Well, she was a laugh. Yeah. That's one of the things I liked about her is she was a good sense of humor. Mm-hmm. I was very happy that sometimes you don't get the Queen if you're getting an honor.

Yeah. Like you're getting an eye toward. Right. You don't always get the Queen. I was very lucky.

I got the Queen all the time. Well, she made sure she was there. Well, that's all that. She looked at her. She looked at Nancy's nose.

She looked at her planner and she was like, mm-hmm, two o'clock. I'm going to make myself available. I'll do it. I'm going to put this. I'll do the sword thing.

That's what she said. The sword was Edward the Confessor. The name of the sword? Yeah. I mean British history.

There was a king called Edward the Confessor. Wow. At least it wasn't Ethel Red the Unready. But again, like time travel, which you don't believe in, but I believe in for you. But you're 21, you meet the Queen.

Just speed, you know, however many years later and you're getting hided by her. Such a wild life. I know. I know. No, really.

Wow. I believe me. I agree with that. Yeah. I mean, life itself anyway for most people is wild.

Yes. Life is wild. No matter what. My particular kind of life has been very wild. To this point, I'm continuing to be wild.

Look at me here. I'm doing your show. It's like being a... It's not quite creamy. No, not quite yet.

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Chrissy Heine says this in the documentary about you. Can we just talk about Chrissy Heine for a second? Chrissy. She's a dude. Tell me how you met Chrissy.

You and Linda were really good friends with Chrissy. Tell us how you met Chrissy Heine. What did she do? We're recording studio in London. Er, London, it was called.

And there were a lot of studios, so you meet the people who were in the other studios, you know. And she was just walking down the corridor. And she was very moody with the hair down and sort of wouldn't look at you. But Linda didn't do that. She would approach you.

Hi, how are you doing? And they got talking. And so we met her. And Chrissy stopped being so moody and just talked to us. And we had a lot of stuff in common.

She's like a crazy vegetarian. So we had that in common. And Linda was very outspoken on that subject. And the point were if it hadn't been her, it would have been embarrassing. You know, if you're out of dinner party and someone was eating meat, she would like give them trouble over it.

You know what you're eating? No, no, no, no. It's mommy loved it. Yeah. I had a very ahead of her.

She heard this kind of Disney-esque view of animals. So if we saw like a frog in a garden or something, she'd pick it up. You know, there's not every girl would. Yeah. And so she'd pick it up on the way.

I'd get emotional. But the way she would hold it, it wouldn't hurt it. And yeah. So she would say, you know, it's mommy loved it. And even it's a frog.

Yeah. It was like a Disney frog to her. Yeah. I loved learning more about you, Linda, in that documentary. I loved watching you two work together and be together.

It was really a testament to just what respectful, beautiful mutual love looks like. Yeah. She was she was something else. Yeah. Tough, tough night.

Yeah. Look, I have good night tissues. I couldn't thank you, ma'am. Yeah. I want to talk about your family life and just how family is important to you because I have a pleasure and privilege of getting to know some of your family.

But as we move off the Beatles, although we never will, but as we move off the Beatles for this conversation, what is your relationship now, like with George and John and Ringo? Some are here, some are not, but relationships, as we know with Linda, like people that with your mom, people that you lose, they're always with you. They just, your relationship changes with them. What is your relationship now, like with those men? I'm a fan.

You know, and more we go on. I'm a bigger fan. I'm like a Beatles fan. You know, just because, like I said, you know, I'll just hear something that we did. And I'll remember writing it with John and think, wow, I was really lucky.

You know, this is amazing. I was sitting down with, writing with someone and he happens to be John Lennon. Yeah. And I think the same for him, with me, he's sitting down and the guy who's talking about his work is me. So yeah, so I'm a fan.

And you know, I think I'd become more of a fan the more I think about them. And yeah, you know, George, for instance, how I met George was on the school bus. I used to get on one stop. These are big double deck of green buses. It was about a half hour journey from where we lived to the school.

So I would get on at one stop and then at the next stop, George would get on. And we were at the same school uniform. So we were kind of good relate some way. And sometimes we sit next to each other and we talk about guitars and rock and roll. It's in one of the songs on the Don Gillain album, actually.

Oh, really? Yeah, there's one song called Down South. And it's about how we met on the school bus. And we talked about rock and roll and guitars and all that sort of stuff. So that was great.

You know, we became friends over that. And then when we were looking for another guitar player, John was kind of interested in getting another guy in. I bought George up and I sort of said, I got this little mate, you know, he's little. He wasn't physically little, he's young. Yeah.

And that could be a problem. But it wasn't a problem. And he played great guitar. John was so impressed and so George joins us with the group. So that was that period.

But then looking at George's life and how he grew. Yeah. And I, gosh, you know, I became spiritual. It was pretty amazing. Do you have a spiritual practice, Paul?

Do you feel like you're a spiritual person? I don't have like a practice so much. I meditate. And now I sort of believe in a power. I don't know what he or she is.

Well, I know there's something there and I feel. And I often do that thing. You know, the secret. Oh, yeah. I got really into that for a minute.

Yeah. I mean, you probably were on my vision board and here I am talking. I just know the simple version. Yeah. But Paul, we feel that in your art, like the idea that you're tuning into a channel, like an open channel and it's not optimism, which it kind of flattens it out.

It's just the idea of like, there's possibilities to keep yourself open and possibilities. I feel that way when you talk about your work. And I do feel that way when you talk about your family. You family was so important to you. Building one, whether it be with the people you're playing with, with the people in your life.

Like I love that you led us into how the, you know, you believe in love, like you're, you do believe in love and you can tell by how you live your life. And congratulations to you and Linda for raising great kids. Really talented, kind, funny kids. Really great children. Thank you.

Yeah. No, they are great. You know, it's important to me. And the thing is, you know, I'm not really that different from a lot of dads. There's a lot of people out there.

I mean, I hear it. I mean, there's the people. But you also choose very strong women. Yeah, that's true. You like strong independent women.

Yeah. That's not always the case with men that are as successful and talented and powerful as yourself. That's not always the case. Sometimes they don't like to be challenged in that way. It's funny.

I don't think of it like that. But it is true. Yeah. I like someone who's got a strong opinion. Well, we spoke to somebody who has a strong opinion because we always do this thing on our podcast where we speak to somebody who knows our guest and who wants to give me a question to ask my guest.

We could have spoken to so many people, but I really wanted to speak to Stella. Oh, yeah. Tell us about Stella. Stella is a pistol. She is.

Linda had Mary. Yeah. And that was straightforward. And so then Linda was pregnant again with Stella and went to the hospital to be born. And then suddenly there was like a thing going on where the doctors say it's a thing called placenta previa.

Oh, yes, of course. It can be very dangerous. And the doctors said, so we're going to have to do a C-section in the cesarean. So he's like, oh, okay. So he did it and it was successful and it worked.

But it meant that Stella had to be in an incubator. Yeah. And she was a little. And so I would go down a couple of floors to where the incubator unit was. And I would see our baby and then go back up and report to Linda, you know, and it was amazing because she still did a little movement.

And it was exactly like Linda, but she didn't know Linda yet. Yeah, wild. She hadn't. She hadn't learned any tricks. So it was really just, you know, a natural thing.

So I got running back up. So Stella just did that thing. And I know that thing from you. So we talk about it quite a bit. Well, Stella's question for me to ask you, which is amazing that you're telling the story, Paul, because she said, ask my dad what his first memory was.

We spoke about it the other day. And he remembered his first memory because Stella shared that she thinks one of her first memories was being an incubator. She can feel like, and I know a lot of people have memories of when they were born or feel like they do, and how you come into the world can really, in some ways, define your life's path. You can become like a fighter or a survivor or you want to be more sleepy and peaceful, whatever is the way you come into the world. But she shared that as her first memory.

And the question she wanted me to ask you was, what was yours? Yeah. You know, these things you don't know if you've made it up. Yeah, sure. Or if it's, but I have this feeling that I can remember being born.

I was born in a place in Liverpool called Walton Hospital, which was a real old Victorian thing. I think it had been something else before a hospital. So I kind of remember white tiles, very sort of hygienic white tiles and chrome instruments and a clanging, because I was a forceps birth. They had to pull me out. Me too.

I was a forceps birth. Were you? Yeah. I had a dance in my head. Give you a look for forceps people.

Yeah. They had to yank me out. I want to come out. Yeah. It's too good in there.

Yeah. This is okay. I'm getting fed. Totally. And then all of a sudden something came in there and clamped your head.

Yeah. I was. Yeah. So I sort of think I remember that. How funny.

That's true. The other question she had was what is Monkberry Moon Delight? And have you smoked it? And where were you on when you wrote that song? I probably was on something that I smoked.

But no, when the kids were little, you know how kids don't always can't pronounce certain words? Yeah. Well, the word from milk was monk. You know, can I have daddy can I have some monk? So that was milk.

So I was thinking of a milkshake. So it was like milkberry monkberry moon. So it's the name of a milkshake in my head. You know, I just imagine that. And then I just flew off on one because the lyrics are crazy.

Yeah, they're great lyrics. Yeah. They were I with a piano with my nose on the wind. Super puree. Yes.

Super puree. Don't get left behind. Yes. Catch up. Catch up.

I know it's just like a lot of word playing stuff, but I look back on that kind of song and think I wish I wrote those now. You know, I think it was just a zany period. Yeah. Yeah. But that's that's what it was in my mind.

It's actually a milkshake. So the last section I want to talk to you about is your connection to SNL because of the many things that you entered in my life. I mean, you were also connected to the show. One of the shows that shaped my life when I was learning what I wanted to do with my life, you know, Saturday Night Live was such a huge part of my world and the fact that you and Lauren and just the Beatles, like they always felt like they were it felt like you guys were hanging around all the time and you do go to the show quite a bit and you've been on the show quite a bit. Yeah.

And I mean, there's just so many incredible moments on that show. I mean, when I was preparing for this interview, I was thinking about the Chris Farley moment, which no one's seen. It's incredible sketch where Chris Farley is interviewing you. And he does what I'm sure most people do is he just tells you what you've done. And do so good.

So good. I think the first time I was introduced to was John who was living in New York and who, you know, loved SNL and it was around that time when Lauren had come on and offered us $3,000 to perform because, you know, everyone was offering million to get back to you. And he holds up a check and he's got a little check from him, which apparently was what they would have paid us and be saying. And I love you. You've spoken on this that you all considered it for a second.

I mean, you were in New York. You were performing. It's just me and John, but it's a place in New York. And he said, if you've seen this show, I said, you know, he said, well, this guy comes on these in these offering us and John said, we should go down now because it was on live and gone surprise them. So for a second, we were going to do that.

But then it was like, no, it's much too comfortable here. Let's just watch it. Yeah, it's 11.30. We watched it. Yeah.

I think that was the first time I'd seen the show and then sort of realized why everyone was massive fans of it and why it was such an American institution. I mean, I love being included in sketches. You know, I like doing the music. Be careful saying that because they're going to keep writing you in. I don't mind.

You like it. Yeah. I was like a garage guy, a mechanic. And the last one I did with my cello and Will Ferrell. What was it like working with Marcelo?

Just kidding. And then also the one I did with Marty Shaw. Oh, Marty. Marty Shaw. That's so great.

He's so great. We were actually here. We were actually having dinner. It was me, Lauren, Jimmy Fallon, and Martin was going to come to dinner with us. But he was late.

So we're all sitting on the thing and the rest of us crowded. You know, and then Martin comes in from left and he's walking through and he's pretending he doesn't know where we are. He's seen us. He's gone. Oh, excuse me.

I'm sorry. And he's bumping into tables and he's doing that whole bit of it. Oh, there you are. So funny. Stereacle.

Stereacle. Okay, quick. Rapid Fire. We're going to get you out of here. Okay.

So rapid fire time. Best decade for music. If you were an animal, what animal would you be? Horse. Why?

Because I love horses. Do you think you've lived before? Possibly. And who are you? I mean, King Gessal Lee.

I'm ready. Do you have a favorite song you've ever written? Yeah, I hear they're in everywhere. I like that song. Okay.

Nancy's favorite song of yours. These are left behind. Awesome new album. Fantastic. Last concert you went to.

I think it was Brandi Carlisle. She was in here. I'll tell it to she. Yeah. She's a very nice girl too.

There just must be a feeling when you meet songwriters, right? There just must be a feeling of like, oh, we know each other. We know how to do this. Yeah. Even though we don't know how to do it.

But we've done it. Yeah, we've done it. I felt that even when I watched Get Back and I was watching you write that song, for example, and the process of writing it and being together. And you were doing to me what looked like what we would do in a comedy writer's room, which is you work a little bit and then you fuck around a lot. Because you can only kind of like think of something original for a few minutes and then you have to like play other people's songs and like goof around.

I mean, you were doing bits basically with each other. That was a way to get offline to get back into like your creative space. And it was like a process that felt like, oh, this is what process looks like. Yeah. That's what we'd been mates for years.

Yeah. And then you goof around. John would pick up something, you know, remember, she came in through the bathroom window on my songs and I'm Tuesday's on Mondays on the phone to Tuesday, whatever it is. So Tuesday's on the phone to me, I think was the line. So I start going, hello, Tuesday.

Oh, I'm darling. And then John picks it up. He's on the piano. Well, right. Tuesday and he starts doing Tuesday and we were talking to Tuesday.

So yeah, we could do that. Yeah. Because we hung out a lot. I mean, we went hitchhiking together, you know, so we would sleep together. And that makes you kind of, you know, quite intimate with each other.

Yeah. Well, just getting to see that way you work together feels like there. Anybody who's in some kind of creative space working with somebody else, they felt like they understood what that feeling is. Like this idea that you kind of talked about it earlier, that there's just some kind of magic you're supposed to make space for and room for. And if you're lucky, it comes in.

And if you're even luckier, you get to make it. And then if you're the luckiest, people love it. That's true. I think if you love it, people probably will. I feel like I'll end by saying Paul that the thing that I feel like you taught me as an artist, knowing you for my entire life, not knowing you, but knowing your work is that love is really, that's the thing.

It's like loss is inevitable, change is inevitable, life is wild. But if you can keep kind of heading towards the love part, you're headed in the right direction. Yeah. Thank you for that. So you need.

I agree. It's, you know, and I will own up to be in a romantic. I love it. I love films where it's romantic. I'm not a big fan of like shoot them up.

Do you like horror movies? No. And then let's take a minute. Zombies. Forget zombies.

I mean, people love that. I've never watched. Not very keen. No. I've said this before, but if there was a zombie apocalypse, I would immediately just take a pill and go to sleep forever.

There's no way I would ever like fight a zombie. Well, I'd fight it for you. Thank you, Paul. Got it. So darling, okay.

So what is making you laugh right now as we end anything? What do you watch to giggle? Yeah, I don't. Films, things. Like what?

What do you think? Let's watch a video together as we end. My favorite year. Oh, Peter O'Toole? Yeah.

I thought that was funny. I love that. We haven't seen it in so long. No, that's what I mean. I asked someone what their favorite film was.

They come up with that one. I love that film. Yeah, it's a great film. For people who don't remember that, that was an 80s comedy. Oh, yeah.

Peter O'Toole plays like an actor who's on a variety show, right? Yeah, he's like, he's a has-been. He gets drunk all the time. That's right. He's put in charge of him.

There was a big stretch in the 80s where all the characters were really drunk. Like Arthur, my favorite. There's quite a bunch where the lead was falling down drunk. And we were like, that's hilarious. Okay, let's watch just the trailer of my favorite year before we end.

It was the year, Hollywood's greatest hero swatch-talk on his way on the live theme. And it's a bit of a bengie swiping. I mean, it looks like, um, Monty Python on him. First of all, what's your name? Nick.

I'm going to sing with you and help you over something rough spots like showing up. That's one. Another is not passing out. Peter O'Toole is good. That's good.

God Peter O'Toole is good. Yeah. Well, Paul McCartney, I could talk to you all day. Hey, Amy. I really, really, really appreciate you being here.

It's a total thrill to talk to you. How do we do? We do okay? We did. I think we did great.

I mean, I enjoyed it. All right, good. Thanks, Paul. Thanks for doing this. Thanks, Amy.

Okay, you're excused. Yes, miss. Thank you. Thank you, Paul McCartney. I don't know what to say.

It was a complete thrill to talk to you and what an incredible conversation. And, you know, for this polar plunge, I feel the need to call my mother and tell her that I just interviewed Paul McCartney. So if you will indulge me, listeners, I have not told my mom or my dad that I'm interviewing Paul. I can't be trusted with that information, but I'm going to FaceTime my mom right now and see if we can get a real time or real time response. Now, she tech.

Hello. Hi. Can you hear me? Yeah, you're on the podcast. I'm doing the podcast right now.

So your voices are going to be recorded. Is that okay? Do I have your legal consent? Depends on how I feel it went. Okay, let me talk to mom.

Okay. Okay. Yes, who I just interviewed. Mom, who would be your favorite person? Oh, my God.

Who is the most excited person you've ever met when you came to SNL? Oh, Paul McCartney. I just interviewed Paul McCartney. No, sir. I did.

I just interviewed Paul McCartney. Oh, my God. Your mother brags about the two. You're going to make a little bit of a mess. She brags about the time he knocked on your door at SNL and said, oh, I like your daughter.

He said, you owe me his mother. That's right. That's right. Oh, sir, Paul. Hello, sir, Paul.

Okay, mom. You know, as I wrap up this episode, what is the memory you have of like how important were the Beatles to you? Oh, it was unbelievable. My big memory is the first time they played on Sullivan. Sullivan show with your long hair.

And my father said, look at those guys with that long hair. That's right. Yeah, I like them immediately. Yeah, I went to see them, I think. Did anybody in Lim so well?

No, that was the Rolling Stones. No, I never saw them. You never saw them. You just saw the Rolling Stones. Yeah, but he made a joke to Eileen about, didn't I see you on the fourth road?

Oh, yeah. He said, you were the, uh, I got to go. I got to go. Okay. I love you guys.

I wanted to tell you that I just interviewed Paul McCartney. Cool. I'm so psyched. Nice. All right.

Love you guys. Okay. I'll keep track of his numbers and see if he beats out Paul Rudd. He's coming for you, Rudd. All right.

Okay. Love you guys. Bye. Thanks everybody. Thanks for listening to Good Hang and we'll see you soon.

Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for the show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Burman and the Amy Poehler. The show is produced by the Winger and Paper Kite. For the Ringer production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spelane, Kai McMullen, Alea Zanaris, Bridget Kuehlings, Paige Garberini, Mel Roman and Drew Vanstein Bergen.

For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weiss-Burman. Original music by Amy Miles. So your decaf-o milk ex-rub and not piping hot, four pumps of caramel and no sugar, small not tiny in a large cup. That will be 10 minutes. I'm having fun, I play Ocho.

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