Well, well, well, well, well, well. Bum, bum, bum, bum. I've seen a little bit of this song so well. Shit, man.
I don't like, real the fucking thing. I'm leaving this. All right. Boy!
The episode is about to begin this time. Mam. Now there's a Chica on the scene. There are two Chicas.
Two Chicas? What do I see in dumb? Oh, my god, what is this? Office space?
Is it from my D-DRICK Bader? Its character in office space? Lawrence? I believe his name is?
Lawrence, two chicks at the same time. That's right, welcome to. If I was in a Phantasm movie, you know what I want? Yes.
Welcome to the Costco wean, which is where we buy big bags of candy from the wholesale store. Yes. Now what are we calling it? Costco, Costco.
Costco. Cober. This is good. Kevin Costco.
I don't know about that. Let me be Don. No, we're calling it probably Costco. That sounds right.
This is our month long exploration of Don Coscarelli, hard, great, or Titan. Yeah, we're doing all the Costco-Relly flicks. Our exploration of Libyan cinema. Yes, that goes really.
Don Coscarelli born in Libya. Of course, born in Libya. But on the main feed all month, we're doing the Phantasm series. Last week, Phantasm.
This week, Phantasm 2. That's it. Roman numeral. This is a classy affair.
I think they're all Roman numeral, aren't they? Probably. I like in part four, it's called the Bolivian. And the IV.
The IV. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Dan, a Roman soldier walks into a bar. And he says, let me get five beers.
That's funny. And he holds up two fingers and he says, let me get five beers. That's really funny. Thank you.
Unfortunately, the bartender is a medieval British guy. And he says, why are you telling me to go fuck myself? Oh, no. You know about that?
Yeah. The backwards. Yeah. Isn't that a?
I've heard. I've heard the archers. The archers. They'd show off that they still had both their fingers.
And then we give the middle finger as some sort of a variation on the two-finger thing. I think more likely. Yes. It looks like a schwants when you do the one finger up.
It's like fuck you. I did a little act out because we're in Stu together. Yeah, you think so? I think it's just like a cock or a schwants or something.
It's just one dick. Yeah. I was like fuck you. I don't think I give people the finger enough.
I do it on the road. I do. Not a lot. But if the timing's right?
Sure. Because I'm also afraid people will run me off. Like everyone's gone insane. So it's like there's a decent chance that someone's just going to pull a gun on you or hit your car on purpose to teach you less.
It's like a 50-50. Yeah, not great odds. I was a couple weeks ago, I was driving to work. In the morning, I was like 10 o'clock.
And I was behind a person. I felt like I was driving normal. I was not like out really like acting out some sort of aggressive thing or whatever. And then this person, she gets into the right lane.
I pass her. And I just, I look over. I always look over her to see. And she's just like giving me the finger as I drive by.
And I'm like, what have I done? It's impossible to know. It was. Here's the thing.
Everybody is the lady in Twin Peaks the Return when the gun goes off in front of the diner. And she's just like, ah, I have to get to her uncle's house. That's everybody. That is everybody.
Including us. Including us. We're all just like screaming and dealing with more than we can handle and taking it out on each other. It's not the best thing that's ever as piece of art that's ever been created at Twin Peaks the Return.
On TV, definitely. Like by a country mile. Not even close. Not even close, right?
It has everything in it, doesn't it? All human suffering is represented in Twin Peaks the Return. And maybe I like it. And it's got you a pollution.
Maybe I like it. Like that song? Yeah, yeah. It's got energy in blue.
We already said human suffering. Yeah. Sort of a diving. Yeah.
Someone tossed it in the center of the room and went on it. Mine. Jim Bluechy. Do you think that it's pretty good in the return?
It's great. He's great. Do you think there was ever a conversation on set where David Lynch was like, Jimmy, I'd love to let you sing Sweet Home Chicago. I would love to do that.
He does it, but he does it like David Lynch where he pitches his voice down. And it's at like 12 BBM. I can't even do it. It's industrial droning.
It's all drones and backwards. Like backwards. In Chicago. Everything is beef.
Is Jim Bluechy. The superior Bluechy. Probably. And is that only because he lasts longer?
I like my Bluechy's alive. I do think I don't know. Because like, who can say, right? Who can say what John would have done?
What? Would John have been a right wing nut job at this point? Yeah. Do you think Jim's not?
Well, oh, he's like a weed farmer. He is a weed farmer. I don't know what he's talking about. That's almost a check in the wrong direction.
Yeah. I tell him the wrong direction. A weed capitalist. Yeah.
Yes. I think John Bluechy. I think he'd be so off the reservation. Like Roseanne style.
Yeah. Like Kuku bananas. Who else? From that generation of comedians is even like, like fucking Chevy Chase.
He's just like, he's in his personal life. He's in like his own. He's in like a prison of his own misery. That's exactly as big as he is.
Dan Acroid. Dan Acroid. Doing great. No notes.
He's cocaine, aliens, whatever. Happiest man on earth. Minding his own business. And God bless.
Dan, come on. Come on, show. Bill Murray, he's pathetic. I think he's so pathetic.
You don't like him popping into everybody's little picnics. No. It's the saddest fucking charade. We're just like, boy, I bet people will be glad to see me.
And you need that? Come on. I think that was probably, I think, maybe 15 or 20 years ago. That would have been, I mean, when it was happening then.
Yeah. People were like, oh shit, this is like, because he's not only is he more popular at the time or whatever. But also the idea of him. Oh, God, it's Garfield.
The idea of him just popping into your wedding or something like that is what 15, 20 years on now. This act is not. Oh, you're still doing it. It's no different from what's her name, Julie Cat?
Not Julie Catner. Is it Yardley Smith? No. What's her name?
Nancy Cartwright. Nancy Cartwright. Yeah, Bart. No, isn't that?
Oh, yeah. Nancy Cartwright. Nancy Cartwright loves it. I think he talks about this because it drives him crazy.
She loves to go through drive-through drive-through and do Bart's voice and be like, hey, let me get a Whopper Jr. and then they're like, OK. It's me, Bart Simpson, dude. They're like, OK.
I'm 15. Yeah, I don't know what that means. I'm 15. I don't want that.
Do you go to my school? Do you go to my school? Don't have cow, man. Kids these days would be more excited to meet Scabidi toilet.
I'm just kidding. I know what I'm saying. I think kids would probably be more interested to meet Dylan Klebold. Oh, that's actually true.
He's an OG. Yeah, no. Kids these days would be more excited to meet Moonface. They would be.
Moonface? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe there's a world where there's more Moonface things.
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Check out our Moonface episode. Find out what we're talking about. M-O-O-N face. We didn't say that once.
No, we didn't. That's shocking. That's crazy. We love to say M-O-N.
But here's the thing. He seemed like he had his wits about him, so it didn't apply. Yeah. He's not a sweet simpleton.
No. He's a mean man. He's a big old mean man. Yeah.
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But it's time to put away such childish things as Moonface's. Give me a Reggie baddester. Give me a moon head. You got to top of his head looks like the moon.
Forgot the face. Give me the whole fucking pie, baby. It's Phantasm 2, which has no, there's no like a goal in. There's no title after the title.
It's not title? Yeah. It's just you don't think of it as being that, because it's. The other ones do.
No, I just mean like subtitle usually means like closed caption. Sure, sure. But the other like Fantasm 3, Lord of the Dead. That's pretty, pretty rip in.
Pretty good. Oblivion, Ravager. Fantasm 2. Say no more.
It's dead air. Speak for itself. Yeah. Rid and direct it by.
Donko. The Don. I'm going to make him a movie. You can't refuse.
You come to me on the day of my daughter's vegan restaurant opening. Donko's girlie, daughter. A vegan restaurateur. And good book author.
Long time listeners. Those who've been listening more than one we. You know that I once done did a restaurant. And that is not a euphemism.
Oh. It's not. It's not. Did you go vegan baby?
Geez Louise. OK. Fantasm 2. Rid and directed by Don Kasko.
Donny Kasko. Yep. Sorry. I don't understand what's so funny about me saying his name.
Nothing. Nothing. Starring of course, returning as Reggie Bannister. Reggie Bannister.
Like Reggie Bannister. I guess this character is just Reggie. But you know, it's Reggie Bannister. But this is like Reggie Bannister as Reggie as Ash from Evil Dead.
Yeah, truly. He's going Ashmo here. Does he have a groovy in this? Like, does he have a catchphrase I can't remember?
Probably not. Because he's a poor approximation. Yeah, I thought. Hold on.
Does he say like, yeah baby, yeah. He does basically ask Samantha Phillips. He's like, do I make you horny? Yeah.
This movie also has Samantha Phillips. Do you know who Samantha Phillips is? No, she looks really familiar. Well, from porn?
She was a head house pet of the month in 1993. They call them pets in the house. It's penthouse. That's that's disgusting.
That's even worse. That's even worse. That's even worse than being a playmate. At least playmate implies a sort of like sort of like spirit of cooperation and collaboration.
You think these pets don't have autonomy? I'm just thinking I have to feed my dog. And I have to feed my pet. Jesus.
June 93, penthouse pet of the month. She was also in quite a few late night skin and max productions, which is what I mostly know her. She is very beautiful. She is very beautiful.
She plays alchemy. She's chem-y for short. Sure. She plays a character named alchemy.
Well, as long as we're being normal in this movie, I guess you might as well be chem-y. You might know her from the film Sex Files, Erotic Possessions. That's what I know her from. Or maybe the Bear Wench Project, part two.
Scared topless? The Bear Wench Project. No. That's pretty good.
It is pretty good. Also the Bear Wench Project. This is all coming around. Directed by Jim Wernorski, who also directed Chopping Mall.
You're kidding. I swear to God. That's unbelievable. He directs a bunch of like, B-harm movies.
He directs a bunch of like, titty, like, late night skin and wax movies. And there's probably some kids films in there mixed in there, too. Oh, God. He's all over the fucking map.
He's a true, he's a Jack-of-all-tracy, so a journeyman. A journeyman, that's nice. Well, Chopping Mall, of course, relevant because we had to pivot away from all that. We pivoted away from that.
And last week, if you listen to the episode, and you listen to me spiral out on this whole Don Cusperer really wrote Chopping Mall, and I was like, wait, no, we didn't. Why are we doing this? What's happening? What's happening?
What's happening? I was not saying am I losing my touch. And then as I hit them, right? Yeah.
No, of course, it features the actor, Angus Scrimmed, the tall man in Chopping Mall. That was the connection. That's where it came from, the end. Hey, speaking of Angus Scrim, he's in this picture, too.
He is in this picture, as well. He plays the tall man. Oh, for sure. Repreasing his role.
It's too big. It's really big. Yeah, they tailing that suit to make him look even taller, which is funny. That is funny.
Make the sleeves kind of short. What about Paul Irving? Irvin? Irvine?
Irvine. What about her? She plays a character of Liz, the love interest in Mike. Mike.
Did you say that Mike was played by a different guy now? No, we didn't. I think I maybe glan. I was going to do back to back, be like Reggie returning as himself.
And I'm like, Michael Baldwin returning as himself. Wait, no, record scratch. Another Michael Baldwin. Hey, Michael.
Hey, Michael. Hey, Michael. Oh, my Michael Baldwin. Oh, my Michael Baldwin.
I know. In it. Nancy, in the British dub of this movie, he's the tall bloke. Lad.
Yeah. Yeah, he was recast. The character of Mike is recast by James LaGrasse, who he is one of the ex-presidents in Point Break. Hell yeah.
He's in a bunch of movies. This guy. He's been all over the fucking place. One of the weirdest.
He's been everywhere, man. One of the weirdest IMDB bios I've ever seen. How so? Well, submitted seemingly by just like some Rando.
And it doesn't make any sense. OK. You want to hear it? Yeah.
It's crazy. Please. It isn't hard to make James LaGrasse bust out gut laughing. Just call him Brad Pitt.
OK. So he doesn't get $6 million a film or have his photo air kissed by legions of swooning school girls during recess. This is so weird. But if you've caught LaGrasse quirky personality, you may wonder why he's still toiling away.
But this Minnesota native, despite being tight, lipped on Pitt, LaGrasse will happily chitch at about his career. LaGrasse says he isn't very LA, although he did live there for a short while. And that's how it ends. That's it.
All this sort of like ramping up and then going. Yeah, we spend most of it talking about how he's bitter about Brad Pitt's success seemingly. So I guess there was a bit of a strange sort of rivalry. I guess early on in a career.
Because of course, what are we even talking about? That's crazy. But in the IMDB trivia here, it does say that Brad Pitt auditioned for the role of Mike in Phantasm 2. That would be a different movie.
Could you imagine? It might not be different at all, actually. It might be. I mean, it would be so.
Brad Pitt is in a horror movie. It's like a high school something or other. Well, we should do the shopping mall. We should do like the before they were famous horror thing.
We keep saying we're going to burn the laptop. We burned the laptop. But there's some. And I'm not rewatching that because that sucked.
That sucked. This James LeGroscat. Do you know who he's married to? No.
Christina Aguirgia. That's right. Daughter of Robert Loja. Hey Jimmy.
Come on. You like pornos? I want another kid. Come knock me up.
Oh man. Yeah. That is funny. That is funny.
Imagine. Oh man, imagine having to be like Mr. Loja. I'd like to ask my daughter.
Oh, Mr. Loja. Whatever, you some kind of pretty boy. What do you some sort of bread pit knock off?
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. All right. What can we say about James LeGros as our replacement mic?
Do we like him? I think he's got those DSLs. You got that's right. If you didn't say it, I was going to.
You did say it already earlier. But yes, he does have those sweet pouty lips. Perfect for S&D. Perfect for S&D.
I don't know if he's better than the, you know, Michael Baldwin. I'm Michael Baldwin. But he's maybe more handsome than grown up. Hey, Michael Baldwin?
He's got a bit of a handsome squidward quality to him. Sure. Yeah. He might go Baldwin as a child actor.
And then as we will see in these movies, not like good. No, no, no. You know, so like. Reggie, Jody, we have to get the tall man.
First he took my parents. Then he got Jody. Is there a quiz that's going to look on your face? Yeah.
This is 100 yards there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I did think it was funny that he emerges from psychiatric inpatient, just yoked. Yeah. Yeah. He got so fucking big.
They got like a prison yard weightlifting barbell set. There's a, in the movie, the Michael Mann movie Black Hat, Chris Hemsworth plays a hacker, right? Which is funny, right? But he goes to jail for like a hacking thing, something.
And then they have to, they need him for this case, whatever. But he's been in jail for, I guess, a couple years. And at one point, he says to somebody, he's like, I'm doing the time, I'm not doing that. You go in there, you work on your body and your mind, right?
This is all like Michael Mann kind of shit. Yeah. Right? But that's what, that's what Mike is up to.
He's like, no, I've been hitting the fucking yard, the, the mental ward yard. They say on your first day in in-paid, you got to fight the biggest. Yeah, the biggest skits of friends. All of them.
All of the skits of friends, you can fight. Yeah. You have to fight every personality. That's what I was trying to get to.
Yeah. Yeah. He's, I do. So there's, there's some, I like this movie.
This is like you too. So I think one of the things with, you know, the Phantasm series, whatever, is that like, you know, they don't make sense and they don't like line up properly with each other and whatever. I know that's right. So, so this movie, the first movie is, I guess a moderate success.
Maybe has like a cult following. Yeah. I mean, I think it's like, it's telling that this one comes out eight years later, right? Yeah.
Nine years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So like, it's a slow burn on the popularity of Phantasm 1. But you know what it is? It feels like, all right, it's 1988. Horror movies are like all the rage.
Like in the eighties, it's like, yeah, Friday the 13th and 9th of the night, and Halloween and all the shit, right? And it seems at least like Universal's like, what do we got? And we made that Phantasm movie almost 10 years ago or something. Like, all right, let's fucking do a sequel.
Like people, like, can we make money? If we give it like, you know, a low budget, if we give them just enough money, will we make money back on it? Yeah, probably these horror movies are like successful. So like, like in general, that's these like horror movies, they're like the bastard sort of genre that like no studio wants to, they're whiskey bastard.
They're bastard executioners. But no studio wants to be like, no studio that wants any sort of a claim wants to be known as a horror studio, right? Like Blumhouse is a horror studio, but that's not universal. Universal is like, all right, well, we have this.
Let's, they make money. You know, we can make it cheap. Kids will go see it. Done.
So this movie, it has a bigger budget than the first one, clearly, but it's still not like a big budget. No, it's still a lot of like, like going to the location, like let's get out of here and then going back to the one other one. Yeah, there aren't a lot of people in the movie. Yeah, they set up pretty early.
They're like, yes, unfortunately, every time we go to has already been laid to waste. So no more people. But like, I love that. Yeah.
You go to a new, like, oh, yeah, we drove to this town. You could always tell what the tall man has been because the town is completely like, it looks like a bomb hit. It's like crazy. It's like, yeah, and he's just killing people.
Yeah, he's killing everybody. Yeah. That's good. Wicked man.
So wicked man. What is that? That's what your cat's doing something. Booze.
What are you doing, man? It's a beans and box. So the movie opens, picks up immediately after the first movie. Yeah.
So we open, do we open on Chica? Whose name is? Liz. Liz.
Or do we start with the footage from Vantas and Wanda? Well, kind of both. It's her in her room and she's like, she's getting these like psychic visions or something and it's of the first movie. Yes.
Right. And she has like a little notebook where like there's little drawings of like Reggie Vanister. Yes. And there's a guy who's not a Michael Baldwin and it says Mike.
Many times around his head. So that we know it's him. Nice. So that we know it's him.
Yes. And it's all the first movie in Tall Man and all the shit. And it picks up immediately after, at least the first one. So like the first movie ends with Reggie being like, Hey, let's go on a road trip, man.
And then Mike goes up to his room to pack his stuff and then he gets pulled into the mirror. Right. All right. All that shit.
Then so that's where one ends. That's where one ends. And then we cut back downstairs to Reggie with his stupid guitar being like, Hey, what was that sound? Yes.
And it's he has footage from the original movie with a Michael Baldwin. Yeah. And then and then yes, Reggie's got his guitar. He's sitting by the fireplace.
What's that? You're still midnight. Sit. Sit.
Then he hears the noise. He runs upstairs and he sees like, you know, he sees the whole man. He sees like a dwarf. He sees like Mike who's like faces up scared.
It's like looking down and they're like dragging him into the mirror or something. Then Reggie gets like a shotgun. They're no shells. So he's like, and then he's attacked by a dwarf.
All of this. And then this is kind of fun. Yeah. So it's a bunch of dwarves corner in the kitchen.
Yeah. He looks at the lit fireplace. I think it looks at the stove. Yes.
And he says, uh huh, I have an idea. And he puts out all the pilot lights and cranks the gas. Yeah. He's like, oh, and he runs out.
He runs upstairs gets Mike. He doesn't run upstairs. He climbs up the laundry shoe. That's right.
I'm sorry. Yes. It's just it bears noting because he's fully in action hero mode. Yes.
Action hero. Reggie Vanister. Can't stress enough. I love when Mike at a certain point, he's like, you're bald in middle age.
Yeah. It had to be said. It had to be said. But yeah, if I can't like tell a man who's walking through the house too.
So yes, Reggie crawls up the laundry shoe gets Mike. They go out the window and they're like running away from the house and then the house explodes. The only way. Right.
There's another house explodes a little bit later in the movie. Yeah. This is the same house. It's the same house.
It's the same explosion. Yeah. Yes. But it like, but it makes sense in the story within well it's kind of it's not supposed to be the same house.
Oh, it's not? No. Isn't Reggie's house both times? No, it is.
No, this house. So this first house explodes. Yeah. Well, yeah.
Yeah. There's supposed to be two separate houses in within the context of the movie. But everything we see in here is said to be a delusion that Mike had. Well, yeah, but we know that that's not true.
We do. But is it not just like kind of a premonition or something? No, because like, this is already we're running into. Yes.
Okay. So what happened? So the house explodes. Reggie blows the house up.
Right. Because initially the end of one is oh, it was all a dream and Jody died. We're in the magazine. Jody died in a car wreck, right?
Yeah. But this basically is saying like, no, tall man is real. He goes after Mike. Reggie saves Mike right here, blows up the house.
But then when Mike gets out, Reggie's. Yeah. Yeah. So the house blows up.
So I don't think that this is because it's Mike's room that he goes up to to pack his shit. But Mike's living, Reggie's living in their house? I think Reggie's just over the house at that point. Jody left Reggie the house.
I don't remember that. I don't know. I don't know. Because he's like, I mean, I guess it was real because we know it's real.
Right. Reggie just doesn't remember the house exploding. No, but so so the house explodes, right? Mike and Jody's house explodes.
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay.
And then later Reggie's house explodes. Yes. With Reggie's family in it. So Reggie's an orphan.
Yeah. Reggie's an orphan. Reggie. Yes.
No. So what Mike is he goes in front of like, I guess the head of the mental ward, whatever. Yep. And he's like, no, I know that these things are just delusions.
Now there's no such thing as tell me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. And we hear the voice of like just say whatever they need to hear.
Don't say anything weird. Don't be weird. And the guy's like, hmm, what's that on your head? Yeah.
Come back and he's wearing a Napoleon hat. Oh, nothing. Um, and once he gets out, he immediately goes to the cemetery, starts digging up graves. Which is funny.
Which is funny. And Reggie catches them. And he's like, what are you doing? He's like, they're all empty, man.
This is the third one I've done. Yeah. Like that's winning any points. And Reggie is just like, come on, Mike, why don't you come home with me?
You could live with my wife and my kids and like Reggie, this is like 10 years past here. So Reggie has gotten married, had kids, right? And they live in a house together. Those kids also bald with ponytails.
Of course. Yeah. His daughter Regina. Um, and then as they're driving up to the house, Mike has a premonition of the house exploding.
And then he says, Reggie, the house and then through like the cameras pointed through the windshield and we see the house in front of them explode. Okay. And it's supposed to be a different house. It is a different house.
So it's a different house within the context of the story. But it's the same footage. It is the same house that is they blew up one house and they shot it from different angles. I think that's maybe why I was confused.
Yeah. I like, as I was watching this, I was like, there's no fucking way they blew up two houses. And you're right. And I'm watching them like, but like the first one blows up with its Reggie and like fake Mike, right?