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EPISODE · Apr 21, 2026 · 1H 12M

Philosophy as Preparation for Death w/ Jonathan Mueller (Part 2) | The Furrows

from Schooling America · host Erik Twist

Send us Fan MailIn Part 2 of their conversation with Jonathan Mueller, Ryan and Alex pick up where they left off—tracing the circuitous path from Torrey Honors College through Boethius, Plato, and the Phaedo that eventually led Jonathan into classical education. What's in This Episode:How Jonathan went from Biola/Torrey to dancing Greek waiter before finding his way into classical education through the Academy at HCU with John Mark ReynoldsThe encounter with Boethius and Plato at age 19 that harmonized philosophy and theology and set the course for everything sinceWhat Socrates means in the Phaedo when he says philosophy is the preparation for death — and why it's a deeply hopeful claim, not a morbid oneWhy "we don't teach them what to think, we teach them how to think" is a phrase that hasn't aged well, and what students actually need to believe firstMisology, intellectual ferocity, and the moment Jonathan ripped up his eighth graders' homework mid-discussion of The Man Who Was ThursdayChapters:00:00: Introduction15:22: Philosophy as Preparation for Death30:52: Lao Tzu, Plato, and the Return to Christianity34:18: Teaching What to Think vs. How to Think38:08: Intellectual Ferocity and Misology51:43: Marriage and the C.S. Lewis Principle59:56: Great Books for Eighth Graders01:06:18: The Man Who Was Thursday in the ClassroomResources Mentioned:Aristoi Classical AcademyThe Consolation of Philosophy by BoethiusThe Man Who Was Thursday by G.K. ChestertonArcadia EducationClassical Learning TestHosted by Ryan Klopak (Arcadia Education) and Alex Julian (CLT). The Furrows podcast features leaders in classical education who have been transformed by classical education.Produced by Saint Kolbe Studios

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