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EPISODE · Feb 10, 2026 · 10 MIN

Plato's Republic, Book X: Plato Bans Poetry and Yells About Beds

from Whine with Some Cheese · host Michael Seong

This week on Whine with Some Cheese, we stagger to the finish line with Plato’s Republic, Book X, the grand finale where Plato decides the true threat to civilization is… poetry, paintings, and apparently beds.First, Plato puts art on trial. He argues that poets and painters don’t create truth, they create imitations, and not even first-rate ones. Cue the infamous bed saga:there’s the Form of Bed (the perfect “bed-ness,” presumably with zero memory foam),the carpenter’s bed (a physical copy),and the painted bed (a copy of a copy),which makes the artist “three times removed from the truth.” Plato says this like it’s an insult. We say: being removed from truth is self-care.Then he escalates: poetry is dangerous because it doesn’t appeal to the calm, measuring, rational part of us, it appeals to the emotional part. Tragedy teaches us to indulge grief, pity, and dramatic reactions, and Plato claims that feeding that side of the soul makes us worse at handling real life. Which is… a wild thing to say in a book that ends with a full-blown cosmic myth featuring sirens, destiny spindles, and a reincarnation lottery.Because yes, after trying to evict Homer from the city, Plato pivots into the immortality of the soul, arguing (with logic that is, generously, vibes-forward) that evil can’t destroy the soul the way disease destroys the body, so the soul must be indestructible.And then: The Myth of Er, Plato’s elaborate afterlife travelogue. A soldier dies, comes back with spoilers, and describes a surreal cosmic sorting system: judges, sky-holes and earth-holes, thousand-year consequences, the three Fates managing the universe like a celestial casino, and souls drawing lots and choosing their next lives, only to drink from the River of Forgetfulness before being reborn. The moral Plato wants: your choices matter, choose wisely, and if your next life is terrible… that’s on you.Finally, Plato admits (in the most backhanded way possible) that he does love poetry, he’ll let it back in, but only if it behaves: hymns to gods, praises of famous men, and none of the fun tragic stuff that makes humans feel human.So, in one book, Plato:bans the poets,drags Homer,invents a metaphysical bed hierarchy,gives us immortality with questionable proof,and then drops an afterlife epic that is basically theater with extra steps.We remain pro-poetry, pro-catharsis, and proudly three times removed from reality, preferably with chilled kombucha and lighting that respects our cheekbones.

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