Good evening and welcome to Thursday, Casserole, here on WXAV88.3 FM in Chicago. This is Jeff. I'm here with my producer Ivan and special in studio guest PM Bises here. Hey, how you doing?
Doing good. Good to have you here. Thanks for doing this. Yeah, absolutely.
Thanks for having me in, guys. No problem. So, uh, local artist, you grew up in Oakland. Yeah, yeah, right around 87th in Harlem.
So went to Oakland High School. And of course we love having the local boys in here. WXAV, it's always the best. That's our job, you know.
Let's get from the ordinary radio. So we're glad to have you here. Thanks for coming. Perfect.
So it's okay if you start with a song. Alright, yeah. Absolutely. I'll jump into one.
Alright. Well, I feel for you. But I waste a lot of time here. I was noticing how nice you sing.
I'll take to me. I'll end up with a palm around your arms. I'll wrap my arms. I'll bury your arms.
I doubt that you could love me or keep me at room. And my heart is just as you set up on your throne. I said, I can't sit in. It is not.
I'll decide. I didn't fuff from you. Is there a heart that you can't see with this room? Yes, it beats.
It beats inside my chest belongs. PM Bighs right there. Just during the Queen. Yeah, that is a great song.
Thanks. Thanks a lot. I love that song. Your record is A Top of Salt.
Yeah. Yeah. And that's one of the tracks off there. So you can find that.
Tell me about your EP. Yeah, that one's the most recent one. There's two of them. The first one was recorded in an apartment of a body in Peoria.
And that was just kind of a really easy way to get it started. That one's called Funeral Psalms. That one came out in 2014. And then this was the most recent one that came out in May.
And this one I recorded in Chicago. I'm a little bit more proud of this one. I like the first one. I like the tunes off the first one.
As time goes on and keeps going forward, I'm just trying to keep writing new stuff and make it stuff that I'm happy to release and more excited about than the last one hopefully. Hopefully if I release something that's worse than the one before, I've got a problem on that. So that's a good one. That's what I like to keep in mind anyway.
So it has a, you know, it's all solo acoustic folk, just guitar, vocal harmonica. Pretty simple. So go into that formula. I want to dig back in your personal history.
What is your first musical memory? Oh God. That's quite a question. First musical memory.
I don't even know. I mean, as far as like one that immediately jumps out. I don't know if I necessarily have one. I remember doing, I remember being in a play in like second or third grade and I was dressed up as a frog.
And I don't really remember any details about it. But I remember we had to sing songs for that. I remember in elementary school, I remember my uncle playing guitar also. In a more serious note.
I remember him playing guitar and he would play songs like Raki Rakuen and stuff. We used to go to this Bluegrass festival when we were kids. And I remember him having a guitar there. But even then I was still pretty young.
And it didn't really, you know, I don't know if I really understood it or quite got it. But that was one of them. And then Raki Rakuen was probably my first song that I've heard and understood. That's a great song.
It's a fantastic song. Yeah. That whole record is great. And yeah, Paul McCartney.
That's a whole other subject that we've given to for a long time because I love that. But yeah, you know, and then I remember my brother bought a guitar. I was in band and I didn't like it so I quit band actually, which is funny because I'm a music teacher now. I actually a band director two years ago.
But I didn't enjoy band when I was a kid. I didn't practice too much about my brother bought a guitar. And I started playing his guitar. And I remember that was kind of my first real introduction to making my own music or trying to learn songs and things like that.
So right away you got the guitar. Are you trying to create your own songs or are you trying to play other people? No, yeah. When I first got the guitar, I remember I was just playing really simple stuff.
And a guy who was teaching me at the time, he gave me a record. It was a free wheel and bop dillum. And that was a big degree. And there's a lot of simpler songs, but there's also some really nice finger-picked songs.
So I kind of got interested in that sort of style in middle school around there. I would say and some guys like that. But yeah, I mean, I really, I guess I was writing some songs, but definitely very poor quality at that time. Lots of cheese.
Well, you bring up your style of guitar playing. Did you take lessons for that? Was that something you made up as you went along? Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty popular, a lot of guys in terms of folk anyway.
Like the usual suspects, I guess, like Dylan or Neil Young and guys like that, Doc Watson. Those guys were using, it's almost like, it's called Travis Picking, where your thumb is kind of holding down the bass notes. And then your fingers pick the melody out. And in high school, I was very into that.
And that was all I really wanted to learn. And so my right hand on the guitar, I think it got way better than my left, because really all I'm doing on the left hand is some simple chords and basic chords I've always been doing. And then in college, I went to school for classical guitar and that helped a fair amount to get better and get some better skills as far as picking and playing goes. I mean, that's, it sounds hard, but I know from experience it's harder than it even looks.
Yeah, it's not bad. Anybody can learn it, it just takes time. You just gotta practice it. They're just patterns that repeat over and over.
So whatever you're learning, you just break it down, start really slow. And eventually when you feel comfortable speeding on up, same way as anything else, I guess, driving or something like that. Practice. So going back to influences, you mentioned Freewill and Bob Dylan.
And you can either sit as, we'll actually start with Musically. Inspirations Musically, what started you out along this path of folk? I mean, obviously like Bob Dylan is a main influence for a lot of people. Right.
And I wouldn't be the, I wouldn't be the first guy to say that. And I think everybody's been influenced by him. Because he's so good though. Yeah, to some degree exactly.
And I mean, across genres. So that's a, that's a pretty notable one for I think many people, whether they know it or not. And as far as what influenced me, that's, that's a big one. There's been people, I guess, that, you know, they come in and they give you some records and you listen to them and they kind of, without knowing, maybe shape more than they knew, you know.
And in high school, I had some friends that gave me records and actually my now brother-in-law, right, when he first started dating my sister. He gave Hughes to Burnie some CDs and he would just burn me CDs that he thought I would like. And guys, I don't know, guys like Mason Jennings, who's kind of a singer songwriter, dude based out of Minnesota. He burned me that CD and I remember listening to that on repeat and learning a lot of those songs.
And Mason Jennings went out to be a huge influence and shake a lot of the songwriting. And then just through that, you know, I kind of started exploring. And once you get those first few people that show you something that you really like, then it opens up a whole world that you can just kind of dive into and investigate. You are listening to Thursday Casserole on WXAV 88.3 FM in Chicago in studio with PM Byzier.
And he is going to do another song for us right now. What song are you going to do? I'm going to play a newer song actually. It's called Paper Roses.
Okay, awesome. I have no secrets. I would can see if I like to tell how I feel. Long sum the brilliant T-Maw and Post.
I have many of them moves. I like the damn things I like to sing. The wind is whiskey, it tends to drink. I'm a lemon with a slant and waffle under the pale, I'm a swollen bone.
I have a heart, it's mighty tired. Well, I coin it with some lies. Used to both say it out of my ribbon. With each girl I knew.
But it learned quit, no falling lie. Even with one that's like a dog for many seasons. I have one spelt it, well. Oh, it's music with chairs and people you know.
Music stands playing the great first one that's over. But there's some beer every stay on my feet. They settle down with a woman in which I don't believe. They should come step in, down stair.
Just going back, long as you're, as the old songs say, you should employ this all knowing. Instinct with some Japanese paper rolls. That blooming water and nothing will sink right hand in hand to her. Kitchen sink.
Maybe I'll try, maybe we'll go somewhere far down the road. Trace out the stars with our fingertips. Relations that we know. Maybe it's the yearning your bones.
Maybe I'll meet you, maybe I won't. When I sing about my own. There's a no-one that's near to me. No, I don't have much, but I love you, generally.
Hey, someday it's a big thing. Paper roses, PM buys right here on the casserole. That was great. And you said that's a new song.
Yeah, yeah, that's new. That'll be on them. I'll be on record whenever that one comes out. How many new songs do you have so far?
About five or six that I would plan on recording and then some other ones that I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to do with them. I don't know if I like them or not. But yeah, five or six right now and probably do another EP coming up to be released.
Looking to record it in December and then get it released sometime early spring next year. So hopefully get it out there soon. Awesome. I think this is a good question.
Since you're in the process of writing, what do you know when a song is finished? I don't know. I guess it's easier with me because there's less components to it. I'm not in a full band setting, which I can imagine is hard enough.
Just being a singer-songwriter solo, I can't imagine a nightmare trying to write a song. I guess you got four minds working together so that could be an advantage. But I imagine writing a song with a full band would be a logistical nightmare for me. Yeah, I don't know.
I guess when it's done, it's done. I try to just write them as... I used to be kind of a perfectionist, but that stops you from writing really because you can listen to the best albums ever made and you expect to be able to write a song like that. It's not really going to happen.
That goes with anything. If you see a pretty picture, you can't just sit down and draw it. You have to be okay with drawing a bad picture or several bad pictures or writing several bad songs first and helping to get better. So I just kind of took the road of let's write as much as I can a few years ago.
I guess I've slowed down a little bit. But when it's done, you just kind of know. That's not to say I release immediately or something. I sit down and sometimes come back and edit over and temper with them a little bit.
But the most part, they kind of work themselves out and you just know when it's done. Where do you go to for your inspiration behind these songs? The inspiration behind them can vary. I think a lot of it was a lot of the first and second record relationship based.
Both just not necessarily between a lover but also friends and families, things like that. Based on relationships between people. I think that's kind of an ever ending cycle of material there. That's true.
And I think as far as inspiration is in terms of writing songs and when I write the most, for some reason I write a lot in the fall and winter. Things slow down. But really it's a lot about the scheduling of it. So the first track off of your EP, your latest EP, It's Top of the Soul.
All the Hidden Bobby Pins. Now I know that's something that I can relate to at least. And you find those things all over the place you don't know where they came from. So obviously I guess that's got to be the inspiration behind the title.
That one was, I don't know, I've vowed off writing breakup songs for a while for a good chunk of time. But I would say that's kind of the last major one. There's probably two major ones of mine. I guess you couldn't, as much as I don't really like the term, you couldn't really classify that as anything other than that.
So all the Hidden Bobby Pins is about the little items or things that you find that are left behind once to people. It's not even necessarily looking around in a sad way. Or like a type of scent or something that takes you back so quick. So that's kind of what that song is about.
I think that's such a good line too because in specific those pins, you can find those probably like a year after it can happen. Oh, yeah, specifically the pins. Those things are buried everywhere. That's what I mean.
Yeah, absolutely. Couch cushions and in your car and they're just everywhere all the time. It's like the never ending reminder really. Bobby Pins and Cockroaches will be around forever.
I couldn't agree more. No, that's perfect. What role does Chicago play? I know like in a lot of your description of your music, it says Midwestern Folk.
And obviously being Chicago being in the Midwest. What is that play, a role in your songwriting? Yeah, I really enjoyed the Midwest a lot. From the places that I've been, I like the types of people that are here.
And that's not a stereotype of everyone. I know you get the mix of people wherever you go, whether you're in the East Coast or West Coast. But MidWest is different. And I had a friend.
She was from California and she came out here and she would always laugh at me in a body of mine because there's just some sort of honesty or kind of just the R who you are in the Midwest. And it's really enjoyable. It's an enjoyable place to be and people aren't trying to think out of word this without something like I'm trying to insult people. But it's not really honesty is not really the good word for it.
But I'm genuine. People in the Midwest are seeing very genuine to me, whether that's for the better or for the worse they are, who they are. And I really like the Midwest. I love Chicago.
I think Chicago is a fantastic city. It's one of the best that I've ever been in. And I have a huge bias for it. But as far as how it influences me as an artist, I'm not sure I guess in every way because it's really all that I know.
But essentially I've traveled. But it's all the people that I've met from Chicago, all the things that I do, the seasons that I experienced, I guess in every way that I've been influenced by Chicago kind of subconsciously without even realizing it. I don't know if Chicago necessarily inspires my songwriting or anything, but I'm sure in some way it affects quite a bit of it. Because I think that going off of your points of the genuine Midwestern culture, I think you can see that in a lot of the artists in that area.
Yeah. And there's guys that have been, you know, it's been a generational thing. And I know Oklahoma is very far south, but guys like Woody Guthrie and guys like Dylan and Jim after him. And just so many singer-songwriters from the Midwest have this honest kind of not too many effects.
Their songs are pretty straightforward. And their lyricism is, you know, take a look at John Prine, very basic lyricism, but some of the most beautiful stuff you could ever hear. And he's, you know, the songs just are what they are and he just kind of puts it out there. And I think that's really a wonderful effect.
Going off that I think that the genuineness evokes some sort of truth. And we see that they're searching for the truth or delivering the truth in the music. Yeah, I guess just trying to be who you are and not trying to be somebody else. And then that's the truth, you know, that's what these guys did, that's what I'm trying to do.
I think that's what my friends who are musicians around here do as well, and I enjoy that for what they do. I wouldn't want to be in LA. I wouldn't want to be in Brooklyn. I like Chicago.
I like what people do around here. So we do too. Here at WXAV. So we're here with PMBIs.
We're going to take a break here on the casserole. We'll be back with more from PMBIs. You got some shows coming up. Yeah, this weekend, just a little house show in Chicago.
And then after that, heading to Indy for a few shows out in Indianapolis, one with a man called the Baller Withives. Super nice. I've heard of them. Yeah, they're great.
Really nice trio, cello player, guitar player, and yeah, super cool. Really good. Kind of like an indie rock, sort of indie folk vibe. You have to check them out.
Yeah, they're great. From Boston, I think. And then after that, City Winery in Chicago, I think is the next one. I don't know.
I can't get too straight, but... I'm looking at you have another Indianapolis show, Rocky Ripple House. Rocky Ripple House. Oh, that's a, yeah, that's going to be a fun one.
That's a Jeff Kelly. That's a Jeff Kelly. So the body of mine, the first time I played Indianapolis, I played this room called the High-Fi, and it was a nice turn out there. And this guy came up afterward and he said, hey, man, anytime you're back in town, I'd love to have you over and I could throw a house show and bring over some friends of mine.
And I was a little skeptical, but the next time I came back, he did it, and his friends were great. He's a fantastic guy. He plays guitar himself, guitar harmonica. Very similar.
And yeah, house shows are just some of my favorite things, because you get people in a room, 25, 30, 40 people in a room, however many, and people play some songs, and it's just really, really nice. No amps, no stage. It's really cool. So that's kind of what that is, and that's what that'll be a rockable.
Okay. I've never been a part of that, and it sounds awesome. Well, they're around. So there's one this Saturday.
Come on over to my place. How about you? I've been to a house show? Nope.
No house on a rock or a road, so maybe I was over a road. Maybe this time you will have a life. I'll have you both over. I've been to plenty of like garage band shows.
Yeah, there's both. I mean, those are a blast. And in college, I used to go to a lot of those like rack shows in garages or basements. And now this is kind of, it's different when it's acoustic instruments and it's in a living room or it's in a whatever sort of space you could get.
I've played shows in offices and things like that, where people just gather around and you don't need anything. People just show up and bring some beers and show a couple people show up with some guitars, and it's nice. That's really what it's all about in the end, right? Yeah.
Absolutely. So do you want to do another song? Yeah. I'll do a Hank Williams tune for you, actually, that I've been working on.
So this is a Hank Williams senior song, and it's one of my favorites by him. And it's called, I'm so alone so I can cry. He sounds too blue to come in. I train his whining.
And I'm so alone so I could cry. Have you ever seen the night so long when I go slowly by? Just went behind the black face and cried as leaves began to die. That means he's lost the will to live.
And I'm so alone so I could cry. Yeah, we're seeing the night so long when I go slowly. And as I wonder where you are, I'm so alone. And as I wonder where you are, I'm so alone.
That's just a beautiful song. So they have that release in a Hank Williams bio pick. So I've heard. Yeah, that'll be really cool.
I'm excited for it. I forgot who's starting it. It's British guy. I know that much.
The guy that played Loki in The Avengers. Really? Yeah. That doesn't help me at all, Jeff.
Where is Taylor right now? Neither producer, big Marvel fan. She would know this immediately. I'm so bad with all that sort of stuff.
Even when they meet a Johnny Cash movie too, I bet it's going to be a lot like that. Walk the line. Oh, that was a great movie. That's what it's going to be.
Yeah, well good. Get Hank Williams on the map for all the people who are missing out. Yeah. Show a few more people his tunes.
I'm happy with that. My personal favorite is he started kind of always singing more biblical tunes. But he turned into, well, he good looking. He got cooking.
He kind of became actually fell off the rails a little bit there towards the end of his career. But there's a sweet spot right in the middle. And he kind of starts to break away from the gospel vibe that he was in and goes his own way. And he's like, you know, he passed away early.
27. Yeah, well, the famous 27 right now. That's a weird, that's a weird sort of thing. But yeah, I think it was just doctors gave him too much morphine.
He had like a boy driving his car basically. I think the kid was 18 or something like that driving him through the night to his next gig. And he was somewhere in Ohio. And he had too much morphine.
And the guy I think stopped to check on him because he was sick. And then they found out he was dead in the back of the car. And everybody still argues, you know, a lot of towns in Ohio still argue about where Hank Williams died. They want to have the claim to fame.
Yeah. No, he died here. It's so high, all right? So they can put themselves on the map and put a big billboard up that says home of, I don't know how you would wear that home of the Death Spot of Hank Williams.
I don't know. Never mind. We can move on. But I did find it.
Very nice. It's called I Saw the Light. Tom Hiddleston. Oh, okay, cool.
You're listening to Thursday, Cass Roll here on WXAV in studio with PM Baez. And he is going to do another song for us right now. All the hidden Bobby pins. Yeah.
All right. Please be safe, bye. I'm dressed for night's lips and the phone can get left glimpses of pants. Victory.
Failing to regard the rest. I forgot the scenes of distress. They're straight. Yeah.
Yeah. You're doing me. Recomes, King Baez with E-Faul after me far right. Recombous, stubborn salads of our mornings in a Twy-O light.
Oh, don't I bum the junk yards of my mind. It's beautiful. PM Baez, all the hidden Bobby pins. You can find that song atop the salt.
That's a great, great song. I want to talk about at least your lyrical content. Very poetic. What are some of your influences on at least as a songwriter in terms of lyrics?
In terms of lyrics. Yeah, really lyrics are kind of one thing that I really am into. You can get it from other songs or just from words that other people write. So there's really just two sources as far as that goes from me.
There's some songwriters that I really, really enjoy their lyricism. Leonard Cohen is one of them. Even it doesn't outside of folk. You know, Madison Mouse has some of the best lyrics.
Isaac Rocky is the writer of those. Some of that's some really witty word play and things like that. There's one other band that comes to mind and his songwriting has really shaped a lot of what I'm interested in. It's a band called Funky Rocky, it's out of Michigan.
And the lead singer is Matthew Milia and he writes just about the best lyrics. I think I would make a claim that he's some of the best lyrics I've ever heard. They're a really small band based out of the, I think, Lansing area. But I'm really, really strong, really, pretty heavy and really intense lyricism.
So large, you know, his words are rhyme, the rhyme schemes and everything like that. It's just really advanced. And then I do, you know, I don't read as much as I should, but from what I read, then you can get inspiration from that as well. Different poetry, different books, things like that.
Okay. What order do you kind of write your songs in? Do you have the lyrics and then kind of develop the music around that? Or do you have the music and then try to put lyrics to it?
Yeah, usually the lyrics are actually written usually to silence and then I try to fit them to a tune. And the guitar parts, a lot of the guitar parts have happened by accident. So I'm playing a different song or re-tuning something and then you kind of just mess around with it and you hear something that you like. So the guitar parts are, you know, unless you can get a specific mood in mind from something that I write.
But I like to write either with pencil and piece of paper or, you know, just somewhere where you write on your own. And then when the song lyrics are done, it should be able to stand on its own with that piece, you know, but hope that they can stand on their own. And if you put it to music, hopefully it doesn't take away from it, it hopefully adds to it. So that's the goal.
So you write the music. I tend to do that. I guess it's not always so formulaic as that. But typically that's how I try to do it.
Okay. I mean, that's always interesting. Wish you could get first. Yeah, yeah, and I don't think there's any one set way for anybody.
But for me, lyrics and guitar parts, I have guitar parts that are separate and don't have lyrics right now. I have lyrics that are standing alone waiting for a guitar part. If there is going to be one form, it's just one thing that I'm pretty confident that I do most of the time is I write them separately and then try to smash them together. You try to make something work.
So the lyrics I put most emphasis on the lyrics. So do you write poetry though by itself, dude? Yeah, a lot of the stuff that I write that doesn't get into a song. I only have two albums and six songs on those albums.
And I have some other songs that aren't on records, but I have a ton of stuff that's just in drawers and in folders and things that I keep that I've written. I plan to do something with it eventually. That's what I was asking. If you plan on publishing that or?
I don't know how to go about all that at this point. I'm fighting the battle with playing music out. I'm just going to hold on to them because I like to just save them, come back to them. Sometimes I dig some older stuff up and rework it.
But usually if I don't use it right away, it just goes into this folder that I have with a bunch of old stuff. And just just kind of sitting there and we'll see what happens with it eventually. We're in studio at PMB eyes here, considering the show name as Thursday Casserall. I asked you if you could describe your music as a food.
What would that be? Music as a food. This is bizarre. Let me think about this for a minute.
It's a tough question. I'll just say, you know, I'm going to say like a medium rare, medium rare steak. Medium rare steak. I think it's, I like to do it.
I like to eat steak. I like to eat music. Don't listen to it too much. You might kick out.
I didn't really answer the question. That's the first thing that came to mind. I went with it. Yeah, I like that.
It's the essentials that you have. Yeah, it's one instrument. One instrument, one part. I'm very happy with the steak.
So you're going to do another song. Yeah, I'll do one more for you. I'm going to play a tune called buying a car with no title. Alright.
Music as a song. Music as a song. Music as a song. a man wanted to his mind, but put some hand me down, plates on it and never got a register.
We'd ease on the throttle to the woods, with a bottle of just a few passengers on down, with a bottle of left and few passengers. Well, somewhere inside criminal, Kingpin, is all the step you have got to town. When you got incarcerated, the tax evasion, you stopped paying for a while. Oh, he's not forsaken, he's on probation now.
So a vacationing to another town. Oh, I said, a vacationing to another town. Oh, now. We don't stay in on the shore to end the thing, it's even me.
So that's the same thing with a guy in there, but that's it, I'll put a sub for three weeks. And as we go, each street locks blows, we're all across the few eggs and paint. Put all the manta bumper, oh, I count them like she's through the paint, oh, I count them like she's through the middle of the paint. And Ernest Mississippi in silence, I think about her.
So that's through his mind. If she knows the places he goes, let her miss his image. Boy, he's grateful to a company, but I always get to go back home. It's best to smile his across, he's covering this really all that I know.
Oh, that's really all that I know. Well, we break down down for the coffee with an oil kale moutre. And we borrow the waitress himself from giving his dev and poor guy a shout. He said he'd meet us the breakfast, but he never came around.
So now, a vacationing to another town. Oh, I said, a vacationing to another town. That's awesome. Car without a title?
Yeah, car without a title. To be honest, the title is still a work in progress, which is kind of a pun in itself, no title. Yeah, I got to work that one out. I like that song a lot.
I love that song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thought we'd pick it up a little bit in here. Like I like that the guitar kind of goes all over the place stylized.
Cool. Yeah, cool. I appreciate that. Thanks, Jeff.
Yeah, no problem. So Ivan or Taylor, you guys got any questions? So now, how did you look at the guitar to the harmonica now, harmonica playing and seeing the same time? Yeah, that looks a lot harder than I think it actually is.
If you can get the guitar down, the guitar is the hardest part. And you just got to be able to play the guitar part without thinking about it. So if you're trying to think about both, you're not going to be able to focus on one or the other. But if you can get the guitar part down, so you can play it in your sleep, play it over and over.
Then you can free up your mind a little bit just to think about the harmonica. So just make the guitar part muscle memory. Then you can think about harmonica. And harmonica can actually be a tricky instrument and on a fun instrument too, especially if you get in a blues harp.
But for the most part, it just helps fill out the sound. And it's just fun to add to it. So you got to be able to play one really well. And then you can play the other and really dedicate your mind to it and think about it.
Said like a true music teacher there. There we go. And one of my head is, ah. Yeah.
So again, thanks for coming in. Before you go, we want to promote your show. So you got the house show this Saturday. Yeah, to be honest, that's like a little house show.
But the house show, I'm really looking to get some people out to in Chicago. That's going to be on November 20th. And it's at this place called the City Winery. It's kind of a quiet venue, but a nice listening room.
And day before and ever at midnight. Oh man, look at me. I was about to say I'll be 21, but I won't be. It'll be the 21st at midnight.
So I will definitely be older than 21. But we can act like I'm just turning 21 if you come to that show. So come on up to the City Winery on November 20th. And I got all the dates online.
So if anybody's interested in that sort of stuff, that's always available on the internet. And your website is pmbyes.com. And they can check out on Facebook, Twitter, all the social media stuff that I'm doing my best to keep up with over here. That's all you can do.
So yeah, and that'd be great if they did that. So that way we can stay in touch and maybe see each other at a show or something on one. That'd be awesome. Try to go to that City Winery show.
Yeah, absolutely. Are there any venues you're looking to play coming up in? Yeah, I have a show at this place. It's going to be coming up in January.
It's at the beach kitchen. That'll be on Friday night. That's in Chicago. Going as far down the line as to some shows in the city, probably at Shubaz.
Love Shubaz. I always say that's one of my favorites. Shubaz is a nice spot. And that one's kind of still up in the works.
But it's being handled out. If you ever have to play out shows. So if you ever want to have your friends over and you just want me to come over and play some music, I'd be happy to do that too. That's awesome.
Send an email. PMBIs.com. Again, thank you so much for coming in. It was a great time.
Absolutely. Great songs. You three for having me in. And I haven't.
Jeff, I didn't quite get your name yet. But Taylor, well, yeah. Thanks to you three for having me in here. It was a lot of fun.
Our pleasure. Thanks so much.