Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to the Vandal Thunderdome. It is Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, October 11th, 2022. This show starts now.
Boom, boom. He is kicking ass. Thank God for a primetime matchup last night on Monday Night Football. That was actually something that people woke up this morning saying, damn, that was an awesome game last night.
Damn, that was electrifying. Wow. Two teams in the AFC West, although it might have started in one particular favor. The Raiders fought back and made that thing into a battle.
At the end of the game, analytics took over and made a decision for the Raiders that none of us will ever truly understand. Devontae Adams pushed the shit out of a guy that might look like Hunter Renfro in his eyes just moments after tripping over him on a fourth down play that lost in the game. Nonetheless, the Chiefs don't cover but get the win. Raiders and Chiefs all the way back.
AFC West saves the NFL. Primetime games from the law. It has been. I don't want to be the better of bad news.
I mean, week five of the NFL just ended. We're staring down week six. It starts with the Commanders traveling to Chicago. So last night wasn't a banger like we all assumed it would be because Patrick Mahomes was playing football on the field with a guy named Travis Kelsey.
He scored four duds. We'll look at that here in a little bit. Devontae Adams and Derek Marr seemed to have found their connection. It felt like last night's game was going to be electrifying.
Thank God it lived up to the hype. We'll talk about that and more on this glorious Aaron Rodgers Tuesday. Also, Eli Manning will be joining us here in a little bit. Kyle Van Nooye will be joining us here in a little bit.
Aaron Rodgers will be joining us in a little bit. And also, late booking here, like actually 45 seconds ago, Kevin O'Connor, head coach of the Minnesota Vikings will be joining us here in about 35 minutes. Be a friend, tell a friend. Today should be a hell of a day at Boston Conner, at Ty Schmidt, holding down the toxic table tie.
Baseball's happening. That's why you're dressed up in full uniform right now. That's right, baby. Yankees.
Yankees got a game tonight. We're back. ALDS is on. When the Packers in Iowa are kind of stabbing you in the back a little bit and making you feel like shit on the weekends, now we go.
Now we go. Hey, let's go get a World Series championship. I can't wait to see what that means. Is this a best of 45?
What do we got? It's a five. Best of five, of course. Best of five, baby.
Of course, we'll keep up. We'll keep up there on that, won't we, Austin Conner? Last night's game was fantastic. Unbelievable.
I mean, I feel bad for everyone who took, you know, all the Chiefs to score because Kelsey was the only guy to get in the end zone. But yeah, it was fantastic. Nice to see McDaniels, you know, play a good game to a certain extent and then kind of fall back. I don't know what the hell happened with that two-point conversion.
Down seven, four minutes left in the fourth quarter. You fought your way back into that game. And then, you know, I was told by analytics people it was coin flip. Okay, you know what's not?
Carlson, taking a fucking extra point to send that thing into extra time whenever you were rolling at that point. It's just, I understand that analytics have a place in the game. The more information, the better. The more people that are invested in the NFL, the better.
So if the nerds and the mathematics, the nerds is a compliment, by the way. I wish I was a fucking nerd. There's a nerd squad, there's a nerd this. I called Christian Wilkins, a nerd Heisman on game day.
And I got flooded with some messages from some moms that said, and me saying that was very offensive for your kid that's a very smart kid. Nerds a fucking compliment. Okay, I wish I was a nerd. Everybody wishes they were, especially in a world that we're in right now with technology and hacking.
The smarter you are, the better you're going to be forever. Not necessarily, you know, collegiate educated, but if you're a nerd, you're going to be in a good spot. But the nerds have gotten invested in the NFL, which we absolutely love, make game better. But those people that just rely strictly on analytics, I think, are making decisions that don't necessarily involve humans, which are a part of the whole entire fucking game.
Raiders could have extended that game last night. We would think. We would think they could. Now, if the defense is going to stop, we shall see.
Who knows what's going to happen in overtime? You think McHannell's going to talk about coin toss right now? Because coin toss is laying on the other side. They lost.
That's the only thing that hindsight can really prove us. But that was an interesting decision, nonetheless, great game. We did not win. I thought you were on the right side.
You tweeted early, Boost is dead. Was it because Brittany and Jackson Mahomes both back on the sideline before the game even started? My wife, Samantha, showed me a photo and she said, Boost is dead. This is the first time I think Jackson Mahomes has been back on the sideline for a game this season that we have seen.
And although they are very positive, good energy, we knew we were pretty much probably fucked at that point. Is that when you knew we were gone or not, Tone Diggs? I didn't know that happened. I didn't want to send it into the group.
Sam showed it to me. She follows Mrs. Mahomes. Beautiful family.
Incredible thing. But if we were to dig back into history, normally those two on the sidelines doing stuff, there's going to be some sort of story happening. New year. New year.
Might be different. But when I saw that, I immediately thought, bad omen for our super boost. Banking on Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. Now, Patrick Mahomes throws for a bunch.
A lot of short touchdowns, he covers. The Chiefs do not, even though you took an alternate spray. When was the moment the last time you thought we were fucked? Because I saw you tweet early, Boost is dead.
I'm like, what are we doing? Why is the boost dead? I thought we were in boost. Vontae scored 7-0.
Boost was dead. I mean, it was. At that moment, I mean, it was dead. You can't believe it.
It was 17-0. It was more dead at that point, but 7-0. You can't win 2-0 in a row. Boost.
That's just impossible. No, you're going to hit a bunch. Let's not get crazy. You're back on Thursday.
No, you're back at 500. That's right. So on Thursday, you're going 66-6, pal. Not because you're the devil, but because you're about to go 2-3.
Then what are you doing on Sunday, huh? Oh, Sunday's great. You're going 3-4. Sunday, you've got all the games in the world to pick between.
This is one game off. You've got to fucking force a pick. I'm making a lot of excuses right now. I shouldn't be doing that.
I know Brittany and Jackson were. That's probably why she didn't play great last night, either. Oh. Didn't even think about that.
There was a little TikTok shark in the water. I do apologize. I should have won. I apologize.
Yeah, we agree. We agree. And you were the reason why we didn't win, so you should definitely think about that. But you'll be settling that horse again on Thursday for a great game between the Cavaliers and Bears.
I think we're going to see a lot of Tony Unders on that one, potentially. But anyway, get your confidence back. We appreciate the hell out of you, pal. And thanks for getting us a win on Sunday.
Nobody will thank you for that because we've got a loss last night. Joining us on the stage on the studio here, a man who hosted in the trenches, an absolute stallion, a Super Bowl champion player and coach, Jackie Moon of the NFL. 12 years? 12 years.
12 years in the NFL at center with small arms. Ladies and gentlemen, I make you shit with it. Hey, how are you? How are you doing?
I'm great, pal. How are you? Fantastic. I got to watch a throwback of 1956 football last night.
Fullback, fullback, fullback with McDaniels. So there's a lot of rude running from Josh Jacobs. Let's go ahead and dive into the game from last night. Boys, chime in whenever you feel...
Fullback. Whenever you feel compelled. There it is. 0-0 game.
First quarter. Fourth and one. McDaniels says we're going to lay it all on the line here on Monday Night Football. Derek Carr hits Devontae Adams wide open in a blown coverage.
Missed the signing for his 200th touchdown pass. Devontae Adams promptly takes that ball, throws it right into the fucking stands. They score another touchdown. Then it'll be 14-zip in the second quarter.
Everybody thinks that the Raiders are dead. The Raiders said, excuse me, Josh Jacobs and his rude running style was absolutely on display last evening. And I know there's angry runs with Kyle Brandt. And I know there's a lot of people that celebrate these types of things.
There's a lot of people that run mad, run angry. Josh Jacobs was looking for contact last night, which is why none of us understood why he was playing in the Hall of Fame game. The opening game of the season for the Raiders. They're ready to hell of a back that guy.
He's awesome. He's been running with a bandit all season long. Not just this season. I think he's been good in the past too, right?
And we talked to Michael Lombardi. Lombardi said he said, you know, Josh Jacobs is loving football again. I wonder if in training camp he was giving off a bad aura to Josh McDaniels. Maybe you hated training camp like 99% of the people that play in the NFL.
But whenever you have a new coach, new scheme, new everything, you have to act as if you're invested. And that's why Josh McDaniels said, hey, Josh Jacobs, I don't know if you know this from New England. We ain't never paid a running back. You ain't getting extended.
We're not picking up your fifth year. And also, you're playing in the Hall of Fame game when no other player that is going to make an NFL roster is on the field except for you. That was an interesting thing. And now we're starting to realize that maybe Josh McDaniels and Josh Jacobs are back on the same side.
And thank God for it. He is awesome to watch run. Yeah, and Josh Jacobs, I believe Aikman and Troy talked about how Josh Jacobs kind of understood that, you know, we at least talked about how they lost Leatherwood, they lost a lot of guys, they weren't going to be that great. And now all of a sudden, you know, they're playing out of their mind and Josh Jacobs is kind of earning that fifth year.
Old school football. The running back is making plays for the Raiders, opening up everything for maybe Derek Gard, Devontae Adams, Hunter Renfro, Darren Waller only played six snaps last night. A lot of people pissed off about that. We hope he gets healthy.
Let's go to the second quarter. Four minutes and 45 seconds left in the half. 17-zip Raiders. Patrick Mahomes will finally get on the board with a target to Travis Kelsey.
This will become a trend of Monday Night Football last night. Patrick Mahomes finding Travis Kelsey. Travis Kelsey, one of the greatest tight ends of all time, bar none, guaranteed. When it's all said and done, he's going to try to make a case to be the greatest of all time, at least in the reception area, because the amount of receiving yards, touchdowns, and plays he makes on one of the most effective offenses in the NFL's history is notable, and I can't wait for that guy's Hall of Fame induction, because it is going to be wild when the new Heights brother show up.
Yeah, it's kind of crazy, because it seems like, especially the way he plays, like, guys are at least tight ends, like, they don't get better as they get older. Like, it seems like he's just getting better, like, from one year to the next, you know? Like, he has an incredible season. It's like, oh, I don't know if he's going to be able to close to what he does last year.
Boom, we're in week five, he's got, what, seven touchdowns already? Like, he's unbelievable. He's finally around a good team, right? He's been sitting, he was sitting there for a little bit in a little bit of a wasteland.
Now he gets Andy Reid, the boy's super creativity, and Patrick Mahomes is going to make every single throw. Travis Kelsey is crushing it. 17-7, one minute, 14 seconds left. In the half.
Derek Carr, third and eight. Get sacked. Trumbulled. Ball.
Recovery. Jones is about to make this thing a three-point game. That would have been perfect. But instead, this is called roughing the passer.
And although Jones, who is an absolute stallion, made a hell of a play while sacking Derek Carr, and only you have to get off the block and make the sack and get to the quarterback at 325 pounds, which he alluded to afterwards, he said 325 pounds, what do you want me to do? And then he gets the strip, he gets the ball in his hand. Then he even tries to brace himself a little bit, not to land on a quarterback that he fucking took the ball from, that he shouldn't even be worried about. The play is now, all of a sudden, Jones is on offense, Carr is on defense, at that exact moment.
But the ref, afterwards, when he was asked by a pool reporter, said, it did not matter where your ball was. It did not matter who had his position. He just saw him laying all his body weight on top of him. It's like when he was fucking bouncing one ball, which makes you have to go back to the Tom Brady rough in the passer from just Sunday, where Grady Jarrett makes one of the greatest plays with his defensive line.
In the moment that they needed it, Grady Jarrett gets home on a four-man game. Grady Jarrett makes a terrible rough in the passer call, and we thought he'd be the only one that would maybe do it. He's the only one that's maybe confused, because he made that call just one week ago in the Buffalo, in Baltimore game. We shall see how many of these referees stink so badly.
We complimented the we should have never done, you see, because they started getting way too confident and egotistical. Lee. Anyways, 20-7, second quarter, Matthew Wright from 59 yards, as ref, you suck chance. We're raining down on the field over at the kingdom.
All of Kansas City had the right cues. All of Kansas City was screaming bullshit. Ref, you suck chance. It felt like a college atmosphere.
It felt like the WWE. Somehow Matthew Wright, who wasn't able to make a 50 yard just a couple years ago, bangs on a 59 yarder, longest in that stadium's history, and they won the strongest leg kickers in the NFL's history in Harrison Bucker. Now we go to the third. Four minutes and 14 seconds left.
20-17, Raiders still holding the lead. Patrick Mahomes trips, falls, then he gets slung down to the ground! That looks familiar. What's the difference?
No call. Second and goal. Once again, this is what happened in Tampa Bay just yesterday, or two days ago, with Jerome Boger calling a roughing the passer, in which Grady Jarrett grabs Tom Brady and slings him down. Go back to the Patrick Mahomes play.
After seeing Grady Jarrett, he gets the snap on first and goal. Stumbles. Falls. All of a sudden, he's grabbed a pyramid.
Slung down. Don't know what the difference is. None of us know what the fuck a roughing the passer is. Let's figure that out sometime soon, because it's ruining it.
We're not saying that Mahomes should be a roughing the passer. We're just saying we get the fucking consistency here. Just what is roughing the passer? Well, somebody tell us we would like to know.
Because you got it. You don't. It's a fumble. It isn't.
It's this. It's that. We would like to know a fucking answer. Let's always get reviewable.
I think I saw Drew Brees post. Like, hey, can we not just review these? Because then we can kind of make more sense of it. We agree.
Review them. And also tell these refs with this objective power to relax. This is football. Let's not ruin games.
Nonetheless, after the sack, now Patrick Mahomes has the ball in the 8th. 20 to 17 still. Third quarter. And he's going to find who?
Who? Travis Kelsey. One step arm. Two step arms.
Gets into the end zone with a great block from the wide receiver. Travis Kelsey now with his third touchdown of the evening. Oh, my God. Record-breaking night for Travis Kelsey.
He isn't done just yet. 24-20. Raiders have to answer. Derek Carr.
First and 10. Hands the ball off to Josh Jacobs. This was the story of the night. Offensive line-making.
Big, gaping hole. And Josh Jacobs hitting those things really fucking hard. They would settle for a field goal. It'd be 24-23.
Fast forward to their fourth quarter. 37-yard attempt for Matthew Wright. Oh, no. Gets it a 59-yard before half.
Misses from 37. Oh, no. 24-23. The Raiders are going to get the ball.
No, they aren't. Hold it. Defense. Special teams of the Raiders.
The guy who just walked through the screen right there. Tom McMahon. Special teams coordinator. Thinking to himself.
What the fuck are you talking about? Let's go to Patty Piero here, shall we? So, the interesting thing here, and nobody really talked about it, and I think it is something that's worthy of a conversation. You're going to obviously look at 51 right here, okay?
He's going to attempt to run a pool shoot. What is a pool shoot? Oh, I'm sorry. 51's the next one inside.
You get it. This guy. Pool shoot is whenever you reach out, okay? And most field goal techniques is hands are out, trying to be as big as possible.
What's it called, AQ? Die what? Die slowly. Die slowly.
That is literally what protection is called. You're going to die. Just need you to do it in a slow fashion. So, all the offensive linemen, tight end, and anybody else that steps in for a field goal block, like, you are fucking great people.
You are just getting run through. It used to be like 600 pounds of force behind people because there would be pushers and double teamers, and offensive linemen would literally just sit there and be taught to die slowly. You're going to fall. You're going to get crushed.
Just do it in a slower fashion. Arms are wide. You're trying to catch everybody. This particular one is probably reaching out to them, too.
So, a pool shoot is when you're trying to knock down the person's arms so that the hole that that person is supposed to be blocking in, you can run through. It's not even really a good pool shoot. This is certainly something that Kansas City Chiefs special teams coach Cove told the ref about beforehand. Hey, Raiders are doing a pool shoot.
You can't do that. This was made illegal because guys are coming scot-free and blowing people up. So, I think this was a ticky-tack call, bullshit call, but I think it was because the special teams coordinator for the Chiefs alerted the refs that the Raiders were doing this, and Tom McMahon has to sit here and think to himself, how the fuck is that being called a penalty in the modern NFL? Tom, Raiders fans, we don't know.
Matthew Wright had no idea it happened. He obviously misses. We move on in the game. Chiefs would then obviously go on to...
So, that is a game changer. Patrick Mahomes finds Travis Kelsey. 4-7 for Travis Kelsey's fourth touchdown of the evening. They would go on to take the lead to make it 30-2-23.
They would go for two to try to make this a nine-point game, a two-score game, with 7.25 left in the game. What would happen? Max Crosby. Uh-uh.
That's that thing. Down. Makes a hell of a football play. So, now it's 30-23.
Raiders get a chance to go ahead and tie this thing. What are they going to do with it? Third and six. Four minutes and 34 seconds left.
And Brown in midfield. Derek Hart takes a snap. Drops back. On the run.
Uncorks one. Devontae Adams. Derek Hart drops it in a bucket. Devontae makes a hell of a catch for a second touchdown of the evening.
Now, down one point after scoring the touchdown, with the option to kick an extra point, they go for two. We all remember that if you're down 14, math says you should go for two twice. Because you're going to have a better than 50% chance to get the two-point conversion. If you make the two-point conversion on the first one, you have eight points.
Now the touchdown extra point wins you the game. You don't get the two-point conversion on the first one, you got another opportunity at the second time. When you're down seven, I ain't never heard of a motherfucker ever going for two. Instead of going to kick an extra point and go into overtime.
Do you have any idea why they did this, AQ? Zero chance that I would have ever made this call to go for two. I have no reason to think why they would. I have no reason.
The Raiders had success on offense. They had some success on defense. I don't know why you'd want to win this thing with 427 left right now. Then you're just saying, best-case scenario here, you're telling Patrick Holmes you have four-minute offense space, but you're getting a field goal range.
Guy hit a 59-yarder, missed a 37-yarder, and also another kick, so who knows what it is. This was a fascinating thing. Stats people are telling us we're wrong. Down seven football, a touchdown's worth six, extra point is worth one.
Seven points is normally the fucking standard of what we're going for. We're extended it, they don't do it. Their two-point conversion play, Derek Carr gets snapped, hands it off to Josh Jacobs. Good push from the offensive line, I think you're going to hear AQ Shipley said.
But for some reason, somehow, his knee was down about an inch and a half short, they do not get it. So now they're down one, 30-29. They end up getting the ball back after getting a stop on their Chiefs, and they get like less than a minute left, fourth and one. On third down, the reason why it's fourth and one is because there was a catch, there was no catch, but Devontae said it was a catch because he said, although I have control of the football, it might not look like it in a video review.
He just did a nonchalant, casual, two-toes, gone, jump out of bounds. I believe Devontae. If Devontae said he had control of the ball, I assume he had control of the football, then anybody asked him in a review system? Probably not.
So then this is the game. This is it. 30-29. Devontae Adams outside.
Hunter Renfro in the slot. They run into each other. All goes to nobody. Kenzie, Jason, Patrick Mahomes get a win for a Monday Night Football matchup that we're talking about for you.
There you go, KG. Good weekend. We'll have more on that. We'll have more on that throughout the hour.
hours of the show here joining us right now nevermind nevermind that's why I cut it out because it's all we're late for Eli turns out they're late for us nonetheless Devontae Adams on the outside allegedly via a Golden Tate tweet this play that they ran on 4th and 1 in the 4th quarter with 47 seconds left Devontae has to release outside he released inside him and Hunter Renfro run into each other that's what Golden Tate's playbook says I guess we can take that for its word nonetheless they both end up on the ground Chiefs get a win they don't cover hell of a fucking Monday Night Football it seemed like Devontae was upset after the game too about that or something well are you saying that because he shoved that Hunter Renfro looking guy that was carrying a metal thing to cut in front of him I think it was just an accident so can't have it obviously players can't just be throwing people around if they're going to streak or come on the field hey do what you got to do if the person's obviously working there though can't be pushing the person now to Devontae's credit here there's no reason for anybody carrying a metal or anything to cut in front of Devontae Adams if the player obviously can't do it Devontae cannot do what he just did there is obviously fault in a lot of things in the world Devontae's the one that made this escalate into this thing why is that guy cutting in front of Devontae who knows he's carrying metal he cuts right in front of Devontae but Devontae also can't can't do that that can't happen Devontae put out a tweet says I felt horrible immediately point out somebody tell that guy I'll apologize sorry about it he immediately addressed it sorry a guy I pushed over after the game obviously very frustrated the way the game ended and when he ran in front of me as I exited that was my reaction I felt horrible immediately that's on me my apologies man hope you see this I don't know if he has seen that but that guy has filed a police report he's going to set up to do a lawsuit let's assume Devontae's going to have to settle this financially somehow with this guy let's hope he's safe the guy that got knocked over because he did file a police report but that's the world we're in Devontae knows it Devontae took ownership over it he can't be just pushing people that are working the games down he knows that terrible ending that game though with Hunter and Devontae running into each other but you like the old school footballer Josh Jacobs and the Raiders team is that what they're going to be going forward or they have to be I guess I think they have to be I mean they got a really good group up front especially you mentioned Leatherwood probably the best decision they could have made probably the best decision they got a really good group and they're doing some nice things they got the fullback involved they got the play action game going I hope that is the offense you see moving forward because that is a damn good football team when they needed a like hey we have to make a play it seemed to always end up in Travis Kelsey's hands Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes obviously very good friends Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes they hang out a lot they're together they become the best tandem in the NFL now that Devontae and Aaron aren't together it is fantastic to watch them go and I know Patrick said at the beginning of the season each week it might be somebody new each week it might be somebody new we don't know who it's going to be the only constant it feels like is that Travis Kelsey is going to score a fucking touchdown and when the Raiders were up 17-zip you could get Travis Kelsey to be an anytime touchdown scorer at plus 100 I put a quick buzz in on that thing and said Travis Kelsey is going to score at some point because Patrick Mahomes is only going to look for one person the rest of the game because they've all got a habit situation Juju had a couple drops hopefully he'll be able to figure it out Nicole Harmon made some plays and saw him break some tackles but when they need it it's always been Travis Kelsey and last night was a celebration of that NFL time well we talked about it I don't know if it was yesterday or last week the Chiefs are that team where even when it was 17-0 you were just expecting them like okay we're definitely going to score on their next possession and they're going to be here in the fourth quarter I don't know how many teams we talked about how in the NFL now it seems a lot more often that teams can erase big leads in a matter of minutes but the Chiefs really are maybe next to the Bills they're the only team where they're down 17-0 24-0 in terms of at least gambling it's like okay what can I get the Chiefs money on that right now because it just always feels like they're going to figure out a way to get it done and win great live bet team just going to keep it live you're looking live bets on FanDuel Sportsbook you can get the Chiefs a plus 3.5 at one point early in the game and a plus money to win it and it's like I put out a tweet I said god damn that McGee was replied to I said the Raiders are dominating or dominating or whatever and they were surprised by all of us but I also knew I'm going to go check out these live bets right now and see what we can do because what was it the Titans in the playoffs Texas 17 or 24 and then back and back they have the ability to do that and I think they'll forever be able to do that with a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes joining us now is another quarterback a man who is spending his legacy as a Hall of Famer multi-time Super Bowl champion now he's like our favorite person to watch a Monday Night Football him and his brother have obviously created incredible things with the Omaha production and content and life and everything like that but what he's doing right now with Quaker Oats with the Quaker Hunger Clock in a partnership with Feeding America where they will donate up the $250,000 to help feed America and help you know take care of the hunger situation around the United States makes this man not only great on the field but off the field an absolute philanthropic hero ladies and gentlemen son of Archie brother of Peyton Cooper uncle of Archman going to Texas Eli Magna thank you Pat thanks for having me on man hey great work I understand you're probably doing a lot today with this Quaker Oats thing this is really incredible I'm happy to be you know able to talk to the world about this a lot of money being donated to Feeding America how'd you get involved with this and how long's your relationship with Quaker Oats been yeah so excited to partner with Quaker for a number of reasons one I'm a huge oatmeal fan so I you know have it every single morning including this morning and so but also believe in their mission and that's helping others in dealing with this hunger issue and that the circumstances of life should never be a barrier to good nutrition and so part of that commitment to help advance food secure in the US they are creating the Quaker Hunger Clock in partnership with Feeding America they're going to hope to raise $500,000 equivalent to 5 million meals for Feeding America and they want to do that by Super Bowl 57 so there's a clock in Arizona across from Super Bowl it's counting down the minutes until the Super Bowl and counting up the number of meals raised by donations so you can go to QuakerHungerClock.com and find out more information and how to donate and learn a little bit about this initiative hey that's amazing I never understood I donated to things like this the meal stuff and they told me how many people I helped with the amount of money I donated and I'm like that's a pretty good return on dollar $500,000 helping 5 million people pay that's amazing that's incredible let's go Eli here we go Eli this is Quaker Feeding America they've got it figured out well your name has become synonymous now with QuakerHungerClock.com your name has become synonymous now with Monday Night Football because Monday Night Manning has become such a good tradition for a lot of people and we hope it's for years and years to come we know you signed a massive deal to continue to do such a thing so that's great news last night's Monday Night Football game feels like it was the first game that wasn't like a snoozer in prime time for the NFL in some time you know Thursday, Sunday we had a little bit of a run last night was a shootout what are your thoughts on the game Eli and Travis Kelsey scores four touchdowns would have been nice to have that guy as a teammate I assume at some point yeah just red zone all over the place the guy just gets open he doesn't have routes it's like yeah Travis just kind of run around and if you just get open whatever you feel you got to do and Mahomes just finds him but it was a great game obviously Raiders had a chance to tie it at the end go for two but still they get the ball back so I like the call I like the call to go for two right there whoa whoa whoa you did like that call I like it in a sense where if it's tied up I feel like Mahomes and the Kansas City are like hey it's tied up now we can be aggressive and we can go and we're going to get a field goal we can move the ball 45 yards and get a field goal all of a sudden if they get it you've got a little pressure on you if you don't get it they're still like oh now we just got to get a first down we've got to run the clock out you're not going to be aggressive and it's working in the sense that they got the ball back they have two minutes two and a half minutes left and now you have a chance for you to have the final drive and go win the game they just didn't they didn't do that they didn't capitalize on that opportunity and that was the moment they needed to shine on okay that's interesting because I just immediately you know and obviously have a lot of respect for you and your brain and your football acumen because you know just like you have been in an NFL family you know since birth basically so I always have massive respect for anything I think that's why Monday Night Manning does so well because both of you guys talking it's like okay feed us more information we appreciate that I know that the new thing with stats was if a team's down 14 they score a touchdown you go for two because if you go for two if you don't get it you still got another opportunity you're going to hit at least one of those I understood that down seven though I never heard this before I enjoy listening to you break it down though because if you get it you think Kansas City is going to have to be a little bit more aggressive because they know they have to get it so maybe you can pick them off even though a field goal does the same thing in both ways is that what you're saying you think it's just a mental thing almost I think it's just yeah it just plays a little mental part and more so if you don't get it you'll still I feel you have a better chance of getting the ball back if you don't get it because it changes the philosophy of Kansas City now that they're up one instead of being tied and so now they don't have to be aggressive they can try to run it out and all of a sudden they're playing conservative football you want Kansas City playing conservative football they're playing aggressive football and obviously they were down in that whole game for the most part they fire back they're playing super aggressive and they're scoring at will and now all of a sudden it's like you've got to change that and now it's like oh okay but now we've got to be a little conservative don't screw this up and they went give the ball back right away so the Raiders you want the ball in your hand with a chance to win the games at the end and that's why you have great players and a quarterback you trust and Devontae Adams like hey we're going to put the ball in your hands go win it for us and when you don't when you don't come through with that I think you still got to look hey we made the right decisions we just didn't execute and now that's on us okay hey by the way I feel like I learned something today from Eli Manning not only about the QuakerHungerClock.com where they're going to be donating $500,000 worth of meals Quaker $250,000 itself go to QuakerHungerClock.com but also maybe it is the mentality maybe that's what McDaniels was thinking like hey if we get to this they're either going to have to sit on it or if we take the lead they're going to have to press a little bit we might be able to take advantage of that I'm intrigued to hear more from Eli Manning about things that are going around the NFL how about now I don't know what it is you're a good person you're a great person from what I know I think you're a great person Gino Smith and you that story in New York is a big one will always be and maybe David will comes back and win some games and gets the stories out of just negative stuff all the time but seeing Gino do what Gino's doing right now even though they get a loss to his Saints is this something you knew was going to happen is this something you're happy for him have you talked to Gino Smith at all since his entire Seahawks run started here yeah we called their game and talked to him that week and got to catch up and I know Gino having been there a number of years been in this offense been around these players he's going to come out and play well he has the ability to throw it he's always had that ability of throwing the football and it comes out naturally and I think sees things but just being in one system for a number of years he's grown up you can just see it in the films I've watched of just his comfort in that offense of changing protections of getting into the tech with knees and going from run to run pass to run different options he just feels comfortable and so he's making good decisions he's protecting the ball and so when a quarterback is making good decisions that lets the offensive coordinator be more aggressive hey we can call these shots we can call more pass plays we can do these things and if it's not there he's going to check it down he's going to make a good decision and then we can get back to it later and that's what you see with Gino he's making good decisions and he's throwing the ball accurately making a lot of great plays yeah it's fun to watch as a West Virginia guy and obviously I'm happy to hear that you're happy for him as well Chad Powers what's the players in the game because we didn't really get to see in the game footage of Chad Powers how would you describe him he's a no risk it no biscuit guy it seems like isn't he oh yeah he's all out there sometimes he knows the plays sometimes he just improvises the audio system goes out in his helmet a lot Chad quarterback draws a lot and throwing bombs is basically the attitude he lives with I was homeschooled I was homeschooled you failed who's your teacher mom bad teacher good coach he's hard on me hey you were fucking good hey you were good you know Ted Lasso was once just like a little gimmicky thing Chad Powers needed at least a 30 minute you know what I mean one of the boys has a question for you if that's okay Eli yeah let's do it Eli with how close you are with the Giants still when you and Peyton had them on Monday Night Football against the Cowboys I think they were 2-0 at the time but it was a little bit of a dud and everyone was thinking hey what's going on there but they look great since then and with you being up in that area still what's the vibe around the Giants fans and do you feel like they got it right with Abel and is this team a serious contender this year moving forward well I think yeah definitely the fans feel they got it right with Abel and things are going well and Wink Martindale they're playing good on defense they're starting to get some guys back receiving core is still banged up and has some guys that aren't playing much and some new faces out there but they're being creative offensively they're putting play action and bootlegs and naked they're helping Daniel get outside where he can run he can throw it they're getting the ball to Saquon they're disguising him whether it's quarterback draws and screens and they're finding ways to win in the fourth quarter and that's what you want to see a team can do they can find a way to keep it close keep it tight and play their best football down the stretch so there's definitely some excitement around you're seeing more Giants hats and t-shirts around the neighborhood a little bit more so it's good to have them winning and playing well and in contention at this point in the season we know you have a busy day so we'll let you out here who's winning the Super Bowl Eli? the Giants what do you mean? side from the Giants I mean I think in the AFC it's the Chiefs and Bills that's who you kind of thought it was out the quarterbacks are playing great and the defense can create turnovers and get after it and you just feel like whenever the game circumstances those two guys are going to step up and make the plays and they have the ability to blow you out or they have the ability to make comebacks and win close games as well alright Eli we appreciate you so much go to QuakerHungerClock.com if you want to help Eli and Quaker on their mission to help feed the hunger no the hungry ladies and gentlemen future Hall of Famer multi-time Super Bowl champion thank you buddy appreciate you man that's pretty cool Chad Powers needs like a series they should do like a little mini series yeah well I think that's probably how the Powers Chad and Kenny separated at birth both had great arms one became pitcher one became humble star oh my this is happening right now hey how come you weren't chirping at all he's actually sleeping he's very interactive when people are on the phone I was excited to hear about Chad Powers go back to that place that place which place happy about where it all happens big game this weekend boys Penn State Michigan oh yeah people were telling us that that's where game day should win is that number 8 versus number 3 or no 4 versus 10 oh it's close almost that is a big game there's a lot of really good games that's happening I'll be intrigued to see what game day decides to do going forward because I think if you look at the slate if you look out there's some good games there's some teams that are normally not that good that are good so they're ranked so a game that's kind of normally throw away throw it all of a sudden it's a game now and it's like oh what is game day going to do ratings came out for the Kansas pretty good seems like obviously when you go to Alabama or one of those SEC schools they're invested but all of them have game day there multiple times so when you go somewhere it's like oh we're supposed to fucking sink this year it's been cool it's been a lot of fun experience in Kansas was great Lawrence was fantastic that's the Italian bell that they walk through when they graduate at the top of the hill they go down the hill to the stadium joining us now is another time a man is head coach of the NFC North leading Minnesota Vikings got the gig after coaching for the Los Angeles Rams ladies and gentlemen Kevin Ocolini what's up dude I'm doing great can you hear me now yeah you sound amazing listen I'm sure life is good first time head coach in the NFL all you're doing is I don't know creating one of the most effective offenses in the NFL leading the NFC North it seems like the hair is doing great is life perfect right now Kevin it's the illusion of being perfect but I'll tell you what it's been a good start for the year for our guys loving our team loving what we're doing but as you know Pat you're always I feel like just four quarters away from getting a nice slice of humble pie in this league so we're always working to avoid that at all costs yeah you're one game away from an overreaction Monday asking whether or not Kevin O'Connell is a good head coach it's week to week but at this point week to week have gone great for you coming from the Rams over to the Vikings I think we're all intrigued to see what style of offense you run with Kirk Cousins Justin Jefferson has become this X factor that's almost unguardable is he the Cooper Cup role that everybody on the internet just says like oh Kevin O'Connell making Justin Jefferson making him Cooper Cup is it as easy as that you know when we want two by formation he can play that role when we want him to be your traditional kind of X receiver he can play that role and then obviously just knowing how people are defending him the different types of variations that we see you know we just have to have the ability to move him around he's got to have a role in different aspects of our first and second down plan what we try to do with him on third down and then obviously we know down in the low red zone I mean he dictates so much coverage that I definitely will always have him majorly involved in what we do can we always make him the first progression when the look dictates great but I feel great about how I'm feeling KJ Osborne or Smith guys come to life when Kirk just makes good decisions with the football and we build it in a way where he can just play fast and be aggressive when we need him to let's talk about Kirk a little bit because obviously outside looking in the conversation about Kirk is vastly different than what is happening right now he's going to win a big game can't do this even though he's won a playoff game on the road one prime time games the narrative about Kirk is always going to be the narrative about Kirk for whatever reason no matter how many chains he's going on with a little spinning thing in the back of the thing no matter how many plays he makes what have you learned about Kirk this season you think that maybe surprised you or was different than what your preconceived thoughts were I know you probably didn't have any but you get it what have you learned about Kirk this season that has made you be like yeah this guy we can win a Super Bowl with and we're going to him I think his demonstration is just the mental toughness that it takes to play this position it's not always going to be perfect I know for sure I could be a lot better for him and continue to help put him in situations and types of offensive flows in the game where he can just play quarterback and use his talent and his ability and his experience to have it all kind of come to life but just his mental toughness the ebbs and flows of just in a game to be able to be at his best at the end of some games quite honestly that our consistency hasn't been the best just as a football team but we either start fast and then a lot of times defensively things happen and they're able to make some plays too and then ultimately can we rally can we rally behind our quarterback in those end of game situations whether it's a 7 minute drive with 18 plus plays whatever it was last week to win or maybe the 2 minute variety like he had to do against New Orleans and Detroit to go get us a lead back but ultimately I think for our team for Kirk it's just been a positive to know that we've trailed in the 4th quarters in games that we've ended up winning because of our guys and their ability to go make plays and Kirk lead in the way hopefully we can just continue to develop that consistency for 4 quarters but we do know in the back of our minds we've now confirmed that we can win a game despite losing the lead game is going to be a grind we know that teams are too well coached there's too many good players in this league for it to just be a consistent walk down the field every time you touch the ball that's just not realistic so we know we're going to deal with adversity in game and ultimately our guys have the ability to come together and that group of 11 players going out there feels like they're going to win the football game right now when they get those odds Hey it's hard to win the NFL that's why the year we were 2-14 there was like 9 games that were 1 score games I mean we accidentally pick up a fumble late and run it in we win those games it's a whole different game it is wild to keep those boys motivated the way you've been able to do it I think it's a huge point because everything we do we have a saying we try to have plays start out looking the same but are different the easiest way to do that is to be under center have your run game cooking like you said and then ultimately be able to marry different variations of pass game whether it's keepers, screens, play passes all of those things come together in a way that become hard to defend less predictable and obviously put our guys with maybe that one or two step advantage to be able to attack covers but it all starts with the run game and with us the run game requires all 11 guys to do their job quarterback included getting us in and out of certain runs versus some looks that we maybe don't like and get us to a more premier play I mean that's coach speak a lot of times but in our system it's the lifeblood of what we do and ultimately you've got to be able to block people you've got to be able to move people it's not always going to be the perfect angles the perfect assignments everybody covered up sometimes it's a matter of guys just straining and finishing and having a little bit of grit to what they do that is really the difference between 3-4 yard runs and 6-7 yard runs that make it a heck of a lot easier to call plays to activate tempo to just be in attack mode you don't have to be throwing it over people's heads all the time to just feel like you're in attack mode sometimes the way you're being defended it's a completion mindset in the pass game and it's a grind in the run game but we can put together we can put together long drives but guys doing their job snapping and snap out but Chris Cooper's done an unbelievable job with our offensive line I think our guys across the board even with a rookie red guard that group's really gelled and now becomes the challenge of how consistent can we be and really build plans around those guys knowing that Dalvin Cook and Alexander Madison are two of our best players that we want to get going and really set the table for everything we want to do offensively I think it's a great point that first half I mean Dominic Cook had two touchdowns Kirk Cousins had 18 for 18 Justin Jefferson had 8 targets for 8 catches it means like how do we do that every single half I don't know how you maintain that but it sounds like the run game is great and the entire game is going on I've noticed it's not first of all it's a great point and second of all I've noticed it's not the obvious situations it's not the clock management it's not the we can get out in front of a lot of those just by our preparation how we want to play the game and who's on the other side playing quarterback and how aggressive we want to be with the end of half end of game situations but to me it's those random times where I used to just grab that surface tablet and go hunker down for 4 or 5 minutes and kind of go look at everything we just did go look at what I want to call next those tend to be the times where somebody's screaming my name on the headset where the heck are you maybe defense needs a timeout try to apply a fake or a lot of decisions that I have to make that ultimately I have to be involved in at all times it's been an adjustment for sure having spent my entire career just on that offensive side I keep joking with the offensive coaches because I don't have access to that line 2 I'm only on line 1 on offense because then I switch over to defense and special teams so I keep on saying they're making sure they're having all the good conversation over on line 2 probably talking about all the terrible things I say during games but ultimately it's been an adjustment but when you have a staff like we do and you can rely on those guys I feel very strongly about my continued comfort level with just that head coach role and it helps have some really good players too it definitely hasn't felt like too much but it's definitely something that's come up I mean those times where you're locking in on okay now I feel good about where this plan's going the rhythm of just watching film and figuring out how you're going to play the game every week that takes time and you've got to really let it come together and let it come to you naturally just through the evolution of how you're studying tape so when you get an hour here or there where you get pulled away or something comes up that you've got to deal with on the non-football side that's something I've had to really make an adjustment to and really how I normally end up paying for it is later on in the day in the evening kind of playing catch up a little bit early on in the mornings but there's enough time in the day and as long as you have great people around you I think that's a real thing but there's no doubt I've probably shut my door a few more times than I have in the past throughout the day and then ignored a few knocks when I hear them so I'm going to point down Yeah you've got to do interviews like this and we know you're running out of time so we appreciate you so much I wasn't going to say it man I wasn't going to say it Anyways everything is awesome coming out of your building you should be incredibly proud we can't wait to watch the rest of the season coach Yeah thank you guys I always enjoy getting catch up with you Hey you too man hopefully we'll get to do it sometime soon ladies and gentlemen coach of the Minnesota Vikings Kevin O'Connor Sorry bye Victor Oh Victor Have you had fun pal? Thanks dude Well Victor's team's better in your team Victor's team's better We'll see thanks again He's got nothing to do with that he doesn't ride out on Harley anymore Yeah awesome grit Yeah ride out on a cycle then we'll talk Hey how cool is that Viking stadium just everything about it He just wanted to be a Viking for a few years For Halloween I was trying to get on that show every week He was tweeting I threw my beard out to like here It was uncomfortable You would never go to Valhalla dude You don't have the I don't have the Vikings dude I guess I missed the mark I did miss the No but we went and played there I think Were you on the Colts and we played there?
No but I played there in Arizona the first year that they opened the new stadium Yeah so when we were going to play there you and I chatted about it we talked about it and he was talking about wait till you get and I was like it's so cool sounds like I'm talking to the mark that fucking loves that little Vikings and I went in there and it was the stadium's gorgeous in the middle of like negative 45 degree weather so fucking cold there people that live there have a natural talk that we wouldn't ever understand because of how cold it gets there we were there for the Super Bowl it was negative coldest ever of all time but they built a comfortable stadium it seems like the suites are very nice and the seats are very nice but that fucker gets loud I love the way it goes over there One of the coolest moments I think I told you about this moment this is the one you're talking about but we were down six in the fourth quarter with like a minute and 45 to go we get the ball there's a TV timeout and we're in the huddle and we're back on our own 15 or something like that and there's this wall and they started it and we're just and I'm looking at this thing and I'm like I think the ship's coming I think we're fucked right now I don't get advantage matters like just something like everybody always talks about the noise with the get off or the offensive linemen and defensive ends and communication can be difficult all that is very real but just think about the conversation that he just had that I have had with places like it's hard not to just be like damn like Baltimore this place never gets enough respect for being an environment that is difficult the things that their fans say to people and feel comfortable saying to people you naturally are just like damn this place is so if you go to a game you can get tickets right now CK getting 10% off all football tickets I think it's 15% off if you go to a game you can affect the fucking game you can affect the players in the game you can affect the game itself and I hope that that continues to be something as live events continue to move forward speaking of I mean after the booing last night that ref almost cried when he had to even think about calling the flag against Tuesday is all the way back we have some breaking news as I go around the room and introduce every voice and face that you will hear and see at Boston Conner at Ty Schmid at the toxic table one half of the hammer Cowboys Tone Diggs is here obviously the host of In the Trenches in the Bobboard Exchange AQ Shipley is on stage in studio he'll be hosting In the Trenches at about 3pm Eastern Standard Time today just one hour in 46 minutes from now I'm not a big oatmeal fan but I'm going to go find that clock I don't think oatmeal is very good either also to be fair and we all love Eli but there's no better face of oatmeal than Eli alright so also joining us I don't know if that means because he eats it every day because he eats it every day once again remember you can go to quakerhungerclock.com unlike these terrible humans on this stage right here you can help feed the hungry alongside Feeding America as Quaker will match up to $250,000 in donations totaling $500,000 in food which will feed 5 million people I'm going to donate what's the math on that well it's 6 cents a meal can we talk to Chad Powers next time too Eli's great but why isn't Chad doing the rounds for oatmeal you think Quaker can afford Chad Powers no way Chad doesn't eat oatmeal well that is something else to think about because Eli ate oatmeal this morning I like oatmeal cinnamon apple peaches also there's a good one with peaches is it 6 cents a cup of oatmeal yeah that's pretty cheap as I was reading it and as you said I was starting to do the math and Foxy cut to my face at a time I did not expect him to cut to my face as I was doing the math I'm like $500,000 it's 5 million people I started doing the math how's that work it depends because if you're having a slice of Wonder Bread with a piece of government cheese and one piece of an apple that's lunch it's better than nothing I provided with the money that I donated and almost every single time I'm going I don't even know how you're going to be able to figure it join us now from an attic in Ohio ladies and gentlemen a college football national champion a philanthropist himself a man who's donated millions of meals I would assume ladies and gentlemen he's a hall hey hey did that math check out for you I mean we were very well what's going on you're right no the math check out I thought the same thing in the past but I actually love oatmeal so I think it's great that you guys do it me too seems like every good person on stage here walnuts in there with brown sugar and one walnut I don't know if they're eating 15 walnuts I don't think they're eating bologna really listen you're talking about a different thing we're talking about we're going back to you bashing oatmeal yeah oatmeal's delicious you like oatmeal Frank yeah it's all yeah yeah he doesn't doesn't matter if you like it or not Quaker's doing a good thing Quaker's feeding 5 million people with $500,000 in donations you can help them right now at QuakerHungerClock.com that was what I mean that that was the Galifianakis gift literally what does that meal mean exactly for those people I guess oh everything one cup of oatmeal you're giving 5 million cups of oatmeal is that what it is why don't you help I would love to you too I'm going to donate I just don't eat oatmeal I just don't eat oatmeal exactly I'm going to go 5 o'clock in Arizona, and then I'm going to donate. How much money do we... How much money do you donate in AQ? How much money do you think you're donating to the Quaker Hunger Club?
You did 12 years, and you're going to go to Super Bowl champion. This will be a lot of meals. I'll throw this out there. You make this shot, $1,000.
$1,000. That's a hundred thousand meals. You should call it a hundred thousand meals, right? Bang.
$2,000. Don't worry, nothing. The universe knew you were a terrible guy. They don't want you to be involved.
$5,000. That's what you get. Donate nothing. You bad guy.
I hope you're happy. I hope you're happy. I can still donate even though you didn't hit a shot. I can donate even though I don't like oatmeal.
He had a yogurt part. I eat eggs and bacon, but I'm going to donate to oatmeal. Let's go. Very good.
Thank you, A. You can donate to eggs and bacon, too. I mean, if you really want to. You can scramble those things.
Yeah, absolutely. I'm a big scramble that guy. I'll put some cheese in there. No cheese?
No cheese? No cheese? No cheese? No cheese?
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, AQ's classic. Loves every chef and how they go about doing things. He calls restaurants himself and acts like he's his agent and gets into some of the best restaurants in the world just because he has respect for the chefs, right?
That's right. Hey, this is Clark Whatever. I represent Alan Quay Shipley, formerly of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Super Bowl champion, played in the NFL for 12 years. Love, chef.
Insert name of chef. He's his biggest fan all the time. I wonder if we can maybe get him a spark at the bar. He's going to be in town tonight all alone.
He just wanted to come and say thanks to the chef and everything he's contributed to the food industry. Oh, we'll take a look in real quick. Looks like we have a spot for old Alan Quay. I'll let him know.
He'll be so happy. He'll be so thankful. Bam. It's a good move, right?
It's a great move. It's one of the best moves of all time. Yeah. The only thing I hope for is this person I can call and talk to is there when you get there.
He goes, that's the same. Hold on. I thought that was Clark. That's what I hope happens someday.
But nonetheless, this dude eats like the super high end. Like Red Favre. Michelin rated. So, Ike, are you into like wine and everything too?
I like wine, yeah. I like doing like the Michelin star kind of location. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're in the James Beard award winning restaurant.
Oh, dude, I'll just remind you. The person that's going to add in this. I apologize for forgetting this. We came back late.
Ladies and gentlemen, join us now. Super Bowl champion two times. Formerly of the Patriots. You're known for the Dolphins as well.
Currently at the Los Angeles Chargers. Big win. Ladies and gentlemen, Kyle Vanderbilt. Kyle, I got completely lost in this conversation.
This guy just bamboozles people into free seats at these high end restaurants. Kyle, how do you feel about that move? I was hearing him talk about fancy restaurants and I'm like, sign me up. I'm all about it, baby.
We had a group of guys that went to the Marble Room in Cleveland. Fantastic. Shout out to them. They were great hospitality there.
It's beautiful. Really good food. Are you a high end fan? But before I get started, I got to say, my guy, you are killing it.
The business is good. We got a new studio. I see AJ with a better bookshelf and a pair of cigars. Like, you guys, we're killing it.
No, we just get a chance to chat with people like you and we're very lucky for it. And a church became available very close to my house and affordable. So we moved into it. We're very lucky.
We're thankful that you're back joining us. What is life like as a Los Angeles Chargers for you, Kyle? It feels like, you know, the team is there. The team on paper is incredible.
Some injuries have been taking place. Get a massive win. How do you feel about being a Charger, Kyle? And what's it like as opposed to being a Patriot or a Dolphin maybe?
Yeah, I mean, obviously, it's a whole different vibe. You guys interview coaches and the GM, so that just starts right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Respect, yeah.
And it's a good environment to work out. I enjoy coming to work with a group of guys that we have. You know, for me, I'm in a different stage of life and, you know, my football. I'm, you know, kind of a glue guy now.
And so it's different for me. I started as an ass-back player here where my coach put me in the game, get your ass-back. Now that Joey went out, I'm plugged into a starting role. So, you know, it's been fun for me.
It's been different. And I'm accepting my role and trying to make the most of it. And I'm just trying to help these young guys show up every day, show them how to be a professional, show them what it takes to win games. And it's been fun.
I really, really enjoy it. I really enjoy the working relationship I have with Coach Daly. It's been really fun getting to know him and getting to know the other coaches in the locker room or players in the locker room and the coaches and just working together. It's been good.
Hell yeah. Kyle, how do they teach you to tackle in practice? Do they teach you to go after the quarterback? What are they doing to try to set you up for success, honestly?
With the strike zone, how are you supposed to land? Is this something that they at least try to, I guess, come back to you every couple of months and let you know what you're supposed to do? It's why it's changing every week, Kyle, it feels like. I know.
One week they're telling you to tackle like this. Another week they're telling you to tackle. You know, I think they do a good job. They try to respect the game.
The coaches are always going to respect the game. They're always going to keep it real, tell you how it is. Obviously, they're going to be like, man, this quarterback situation right now with Ruffin the passer, it's different. I mean, it's hard.
I felt for Brady in that game. Not Brady. Brady. That's great.
Don't feel bad for Brady, right? And that was just a tough play. We had a tough one in our game with Sebastian. He kind of touched my guy, Jacoby Brissett, and we got a good flop, and they got a first down and scored on it.
So it's something that we talk about all the time. That strike zone is what you were saying. And you just got to go with how the game's being played, and you got to adjust sometimes in the middle of the game. You talked about us talking to your head coach and GM and that being a little bit different of an environment maybe than from the Dolphins or from the Patriots or from where you've played in the past.
When Staley goes for it on fourth and two on your own 45, us outside, with the other team having no time, us on the outside, been around football a long time, I assume you two go, what are we doing? Now, I assume this conversation has taken place behind closed doors with Staley about the mentality and what we're going to do so the team understands it a little bit more. You as an old guy who's won a lot of games, you know, and has transitioned through eras of football, we're in a much more analytic stage where, you know, the percentages of making plays are kind of calculated more in your decision-making on fourth downs and everything like that. What is your initial thought when you see that?
Do you talk to this coach daily or you say you're close to him and be like, hey, why do you do that? Do you try to dig into his mind and understand it? Or are you like, if he says it, let's do it? What is your mindset towards that type of stuff?
Because we know the NFL is a men's league for a reason. That's a great question. You know, that's a great question, honestly, because I've been thinking about it a lot because I knew you were going to ask me this today. You know, I am kind of still traditional and, you know, pun it, whatever, but I kind of like this go for a fourth down.
Like, it's kind of the nature of our team. We got an aggressive group. I mean, Jay Herbo's playing lights out right now, banged up. Like, it's impressive.
They have, you know, they were killing it on offense and, you know, he was just trying to end the game. And, you know, a lot of people can say whatever they want, but the week before he did it against the Houston Texans and no one said nothing, right? Because we got it. And so I tweeted out, you know, are you guys keeping that same energy if we did get it?
Are people criticizing the call if we did get it? And to me, it doesn't matter. Should have, could have, we ended up winning the game. So it is what it is.
Whether you like it or not, we ended up winning. He believed in our defense to get the job done. We ended up getting the job done and winning. We're only getting better, smarter, and wiser and everything like that.
But like, you're one of the people on that team that we can talk about because when you came into the league, much different era when it came to all this shit. Now it's at a completely different level. I love to hear the fact you're like, you know, I'm a traditional guy, but also we've always dreamt of a coach. I'll be like, yeah, we're going for it.
Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of coaches, when they get this spot, sometimes they're not aggressive enough. You know, a lot of people were scared. They're scared. Yeah.
I'm not, I'm not going after the coach by any means, but a lot of people went after Hackett in the first, I believe the first game with a, you know, giving it into your quarterback's hand and yada, yada, yada. And they were mad at that, right? Yeah. So it's like, how do you want to go down with your shit?
Do you want to go down swinging or do you want to go back and be conservative? You never, you know, we can play this game all day, but we know this business. You guys know this business. It's very, the turnover is crazy.
I mean, Matt Rule just got fired in 40 Ms. You know, like the turnover is fast. How do you want to go out? Do you want to go out swinging or do you want to go out, you know, traditional way?
I don't know. You know, I think you're trying to see where I'm coming from. Yeah. I respect it a lot because to your point about coaches, there's a lot of coaches that say, Hey, we're going to empty every bullet in the chamber and then get to the game.
It's like, nah, kind of scared to pull the trigger. It seems to be just kind of copy your own ass. Staley does not have that at all. It feels like he's like, we got it.
We're doing it. We got this play. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. It is Big Bo Staley.
It's literally the internet calls him that. It's real. And I think that is a trait that you definitely want to see in a coach, but there's some situations where I'm just befuddled. But once again, I'm old at this point, seasoned at this point.
Ty, your question for Kyle Van Derwen. Kyle, everyone knows the NFL is, you know, the next man up mentality and you guys are obviously very deep and have plenty of good guys. But does it ever get disheartening when you guys have all this top end talent and for whatever reason you kind of just get hit with the injury bug? I mean, I know that's part of the league, but it's like you see all these Pro Bowl caliber guys that you have that are going down and you're losing them for long periods of time.
Does that ever get disheartening or is it one of those things where it is next man up so you don't really have any time to even think about it? Yeah, I mean, to sit here and say, I wouldn't go disheartening because that's a little far, but it's more of like you work so hard together, you get kind of a rhythm. Joey Bosa, myself, Khalil Mack, we're very close. We got very close fast.
So it was kind of a bummer for him to go down. And he's not out. He's come back this season, which is awesome. But you're bummed out for those guys.
But then it gives your other young boys opportunity like Chris Rump, who's rushing the passer really well, gives myself more opportunities to get on the field. I was playing off the ball and I'm playing on the ball a little bit more. Jamari going in for Slater has done an incredible job and they got him in the sixth round. So the third floor is pumped about that to see him going crazy.
And it is a next man mentality up. But at the same time, you do feel for those players because you have 17 chances to get. And when you're out, it sucks. It's not fun.
And you feel for players all across the league, not just because you know how hard it takes to play in the game, get ready for games and play. Hey, you look super cool in those sunglasses. Yeah. Thank you.
I appreciate it. It's L.A., baby. Yeah. It's the bright lights of L.A.
Got the sunglasses. Last question for you here from your old friend, Boston Conner from Boston, not from L.A. No sunglasses on, but a great model it looks like. Oh, yeah.
Kyle, we miss you over in New England. But going off with it. No, you don't. What's that all about Kyle?
Well, we do. The fans do. Kyle, okay. Okay, I respect that.
All right. Jeez, you got me. Yeah, I know. I was like, hey, I was just trying to say, you know, we miss you.
And Kyle Duggar, who I think is incredible. I think he's the next one in the secondary. He is that guy. I mean, props to Bill.
He always finds a way to get it done, man. It's impressive. Hell, yeah, he does. And he's created a bunch of incredibly loud and arrogant and confident fans.
And we are very lucky to have one of them every single day at Boston Conner. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like I'm going to have to ask you a question after that great answer. But AJ, no, I still will.
AJ asked you about, you know, how are you guys told to tackle these quarterbacks on some of these calls? How aware are you of, like, different types of referees who are reffing your games? Like, do you know that you might be going to a game where there are certain refs who might throw more flags on a rough in the pass or a hold in or that type of thing? Yeah, that's something that you talk about.
You get the reports of what the officials throw in the highest, you know, their crew, whether it's an all-star crew or their crew that they do in the regular season. You get the report of what they throw as a group, what their big emphasis is, whether it's on special teams, whether it's DPI, holding, whatever it is. You know, there's all sorts of flags, right, that could be called. And you do know.
So you got to do business how business is being done. And you got to go how the game is being called. Like in our game, they weren't calling one holding call. So you had offensive linemen.
They were loving life, right? Yeah. So you got to adjust during the game. And it's something you talk about on the sideline and keep it moving.
Hey, Kyle, have a great rest of the year, pal. We appreciate you joining us. You look awesome. You look cool.
You're sounding great spirits. We appreciate you so much, man. Yeah, thanks. Again, it's always a pleasure to come on the show.
I hope one day you keep a seat warm for me. I also think, too, something I admire about you, Pat, that doesn't get enough credit, something I admire about LeBron James is he takes care of his people, what you've done for so many people, the crew that you have, that you're so tight-knit, bro. I salute you for that. I envy that.
That's something that I wish I could do. Maybe one day, you know, get a group around me like you have. I just want to say salute to you for that. That's respect.
Kyle, thank you so much for that. I'm very lucky to have this crew, and you will do it much better than we do it whenever you decide to hang them up. You've had too long of a career to start it yet. You'll be doing it soon.
Thank you for that. You're a fucking man. Ladies and gentlemen, Kyle Van Noy. Thank you.
Thank you, Kyle. So thank you to Kyle. Friend of the program. Can't wait for him to join us here on FanDuel Thunder.
Whenever he gets here, it's going to be fantastic. I think he's a gamer, too. We've got some rooms that are being built to be set up to do all that stuff. A million dollars on Twitch.
A hundred million people. It's actually... Yeah, of course. Big thanks, Kyle, man.