All right, what's up, guys? Welcome back to Waveform episode three. We're your host, Marques Brownlee and Andrew Magnoli. And today on Waveform we have a deep dive in Porsche's brand new electric car, the Taycan and Taycan Turbo S, comparing it to Tesla Model S, a conversation about the perfect travel camera, some video game world updates, and we'll wrap it all up with another great Q and A.
But first, let's go with a quick recap. Since the last episode, we have a couple updates from the last podcast two weeks ago. The biggest one I think would be the reviews of the Galaxy Note 10 and the Galaxy Note 10 plus both those review videos came out. I actually made them separate videos, which I don't always do for two different phones that are the same but have different sizes.
But there's nothing different about them. But yeah, pretty good collection of features in those two phones. Obviously a little polarizing with the lack of a headphone jack, but that's just kind of way it is. Now, I do have one fact check, quick fact check.
I mentioned the Note 10 does have those depth sensors, but it does still do AR doodle and live focus and a bunch of other things that still required depth information is just not quite as good. Yeah, I'm sure you were dying for all those things on the Note 10. Yeah, I'm not the biggest ar doodle user, I'll admit that freely. Not a power user.
Not a power user. So sorry about that, but that is the truth. And then we also have new dope tech. So all kinds of things happening with the new dope tech series, which I'm sure really excited about.
It's just sort of a collection of new and exciting and interesting pieces of tech. Just generally pumped about dope tech being back. Yeah, I feel like everyone loves dotek and they're always wondering when the next episode is, but we've kind of put ourselves in this position where like we did a camera, robot arm, like, how do you beat that? Yeah, so it's barely coming out anymore because we're not finding using same thing.
So we figured we'd be doing more of a list format. We can throw in some a lot of things in a shorter time. Yeah, I might set the bar too high where once I same thing with the interview series. It's like, when are you going to do another interview?
Well, my last two interviews were Elon Musk and Bill Gates. I can't just hold back on every interview from here on out to try to do better than that. So we'll bring back interviews as well. But it's not like a.
It's not like it's a giant step down. It's just fun to have it back. Yeah. And don't worry, regular buildcast will still happen when we do find those incredible pieces.
True. And then you have a. You have an Apple battery repair update on here. So what's.
What's happened since last time? Last week we talked about Apple and some of their battery issues and it wasn't really that much of an issue. I don't think either of us thought it was that bad. It was, you know, if you replace it with a third party battery, I think it was even if you replace it with a party battery, but it wasn't from an Apple authorized user.
Not certified. Yeah. You would lose the battery status. Battery health indicator in the settings.
Yeah. Something everyone checks every morning when they wake up from bed. But. But.
So Apple actually kind of took a step forward here. And now they're allowing independent repair shops. As long as somebody in the repair shop has an app. Took an Apple Certified technician course.
They're now able to buy first party parts directly from Apple. Not all parts though. Some first party parts, I believe. Yeah.
Batteries and screens. Okay. Well that's a step forward for if you want to consider. Right.
To repair a sort of movement. Yeah. Apple taking steps to being a little bit zionlier is a pretty big deal. Let's give Apple credit.
They took a step which I don't think anyone is ever expecting. Right. The problems we still have here is there's still plenty of other parts of the phone that can break that they don't have access to. Like, I think one thing I heard Lewis Rossman talking about was if you're charging port breaks, they can't buy those parts.
And if you go to Apple to do it, they just replace the phone. I'm pretty sure. Which you lose all your data. Nice.
So, yeah, that seems like something super, super easy that you think they'd offer. But. And then the other thing you don't have is people repairing from home. Okay.
So yeah. So this is. I mean this is a pretty good size little. Right.
Repair update. And for people who do have phones that may be dying or that you want specific parts of your place, that is good news. Good news. But hope it's the first small step towards many more steps.
Awesome. Okay, so I have a new version of new content for this week I want to share with you. It's not a video. It's actually music.
And you know Music. Everyone has their own different tastes of music, but I just want to give a major shout out to. And this is going to be hard to explain, but 20 SYL, which is also known as Vain Sil because Tony syl is the spelling of it, but it's not English, so you pronounce it Vain Sil. Either way, his music, which has been featured in many MKBHD videos, I always.
I always throw it in the edit. And I just think this is incredible music. And I feel like this makes the video so much better than it already was. And he's come out with a little bit of a new collab.
It's a remix of a new song with an artist that he worked with. So it's called dollar and he collabed with Electric Guest, which is another artist I've been familiar with. Haven't featured their music on the channel, but obviously that's very complex as far as what music they're allowed to feature. And Vanessa has been super generous with allowing us to use his music.
But if you want to check that out, that'll be linked in the show notes. Dollar the dollar, the original song and the remix that are brand new. And it's also the intro to dope tech. So if you've heard that little tidbit, then you've heard a bit of it already.
Okay, next topic. And I think I could talk for maybe 35 to 50 years on this, so slow me down. If I get ahead of myself. Yeah, I think that'll be my job for this part.
I think this will mostly be used. Okay, perfect. Yeah, I'll just go into random mode, but that's okay. So it's a brand new Porsche Taycan electric car.
So many feathers ruffled and I love it so. Oh, man, where do I even start? Porsche is obviously an awesome legacy car manufacturer. This is their first electric car.
Four door. Looks very similar to the 911 Panamera. Yeah. So it's a bigger car.
It's a four door. It looks very similar to Panamera, but it has no headlights and this new sweet, giant LED tail light and all these other new design cues for their electric lineup. And this is part of an ongoing theme of every car manufacturer in the world realizing, wait, electrification of cars is real. It's not just this fad that's disappearing.
It's growing. It's a new market. We can jump in here. Matter of fact, couple days ago, Lamborghini just unveiled their first hybrid supercar.
It again has all these new design cues, all these new features. That's beside the point. So fully electric Porsche comes out and I put out this little tweet, ruffles, but I'm going to go back to it anyway. That was just a comparison between the highest end Tesla Model S that you can get right now and the highest end Porsche Taycan Turbo S.
No, there are no turbos. I know they called it the. Yeah, they just couldn't resist keeping some heritage in there. So it's called the Turbo S.
So the highest end Model s is about $110,000. Let me actually pull up my tweet. Let me just read through the exact tweet that I sent. We can go down list.
Tell me what you think of this comparison, because it's definitely an on paper comparison, but it's real. $110,000 for the Tesla, $185,000 for the Porsche. Okay. So right off the bat, one of them is a little bit more expensive.
The two of the most important things I think you think about when you think about an electric car are your range, how far can you go and charging speed. How fast can you charge? The range on the Model S is 345 miles on a charge. The, the range on The Porsche is 280 miles.
And what's also interesting is they're both 100 kWh batteries, 93 kilowatt hours of which are available to the Porsche and I guess a full 100 to the Tesla. But the charging speed on the Porsche is significantly faster. Now, I thought this was really interesting. So the Model 3 and the Model S both charge, I think, up to 150kW on the Model 3 and about 100 on the Model S.
Hopefully they update it. I'm getting weeds already. But the Porsche will charge like 80% of the battery in 20 minutes. It's incredibly fast.
That's awesome. The problem is where you do that. Oh, you don't have a charging network that's quite as readily internationally available as Tesla's supercharging network. So this is a big point, I think, for an electric car owner that wants you to do road trips or charge in a garage at night, it depends on your usage habits, but that was a pretty big stat for me.
Range advantage, Tesla charging speed, advantage Porsche, but charging availability, advantage Tesla again, as of right now, it's still cool to see a potential. Oh, yeah, I'm coming back to this. I mean, competition is where I want to be, but I'm still going through, like, what we have today in 2019. 060 time 2.4 seconds on the Tesla, 2.6 seconds on the Porsche.
They're both insanely quick. Obviously they're high end, high powered electric cars, but slight advantage to Tesla just because you can claim the slightly lower number. That's what performance car enthusiasts love. Yeah.
And then your top speed is about the same. 163 on the Tesla, 162 on the Porsche. And then a whole bunch of things I couldn't include in that tweet because when you do the sort of spacing out line thing that I did, it requires a lot of spaces as characters I haven't for the format really messes tweets up. Yeah.
So I didn't have enough room to talk about Autopilot or Supercharging Network or interior styling or any of that stuff. But what's your reaction right off of that to these two cars? I don't own an electric car. I'm just always seeing stats.
I don't know how it lives every day. I'd say it looks great. It looks very good. I have a blind car, huge gripe.
I don't like the back tail light. I think it looks like an mkz which. Oh, the Porsche of the Porsche. Yeah, yeah.
Sorry. Other than that, it looks fantastic. Porsche has always been known to make just good looking cars. I mean they're kind of iconic.
You could probably almost call them the apple of the car world. Like Porsches just look the same all the time. Everyone knows when you see one it looks great. Yeah.
Their event this morning took way too long to show the car. It was rough, but such a lot of events and again you sort of get spoiled by Apple being the gold standard of tech presentations and you see them present so often. But yeah, that was a sort of an international collaborative event where they had a set up in three different countries and they tried to have the event happen simultaneously in three different locations. It was cool, but it took a very long time to actually build a car.
Either way, people tend to be in their camps about these cars. Yeah. Especially when it comes to Tesla. Turns out people either love Tesla or hate Tesla if they've heard of it, which is kind of interesting.
And so when this car comes out and you know there's a slight advantage on paper to the Tesla, there are massive unseen things that are not on paper that are big advantages for Porsche. Who one of these being repair service, availability of getting a car quickly, the history of driving dynamics. You know, the Porsche actually weighs about 500 pounds more than the Tesla. Despite having the same size battery, about 5200 pounds.
This car, it's huge, two and a half tons. But that's not a huge difference from the 4500 pound Tesla or near 5000 pound Tesla. And Driving dynamics has always been a major strength of Porsche, no matter what kind of car it is. So that's interesting to see.
But yeah, there's just, there are so many comments about, oh, this is, this is a car that can turn when Tesla's clearly a bad at turning. This is a car that's not gonna catch on fire because only Tesla's catch on fire. And the one that I found really interesting is this is a car that can do multiple launches in a row without overheating. And this is actually a legit point.
So one of the big things that Porsche was touting was their 7 1/2 minute Nurburgring lap. And I don't know how familiar with, I guess, benchmarks for high end cars, but it's a big point of pride to be able to put down a lap with a good time at that track. And the Tesla doesn't have a time really at the Nurburgring because it will overheat by the time it gets to the end of this seven minute lap. And that limits power and that limits how fast you can go.
And no one's put down an official time for Tesla. I'm sure people have gone there with their cars and tried to do it. But yeah, the seven minute time was record setting for an electric car. For Porsche, right off the gates, there is no P100D never green time.
That is a great comparison for Porsche because it's easy to look at numbers that are close together when Porsche can throw it out that literally doesn't have one against it. Like a company that's been making electric cars for a while. Yeah, that looks good on them. So they can brag about that.
And there's also a fascinating video I think it was the other day came out of their again, another metric I haven't seen very much, but there's zero to 90 to zero time. Okay, so zero miles an hour up to 90 and as soon as you hit 90, slam on the brakes and return back to zero. And they did this really dramatic video on an aircraft carrier where they had a limited amount of Runway and you're going 90 miles an hour in a car on this boat and you slam on the brakes and you got 0,9 to 0 in 10.7 seconds. I don't know if that's great.
I mean, it sounds really bad. I don't know, numbers off the top of my head for something like that. I've seen a test before, and the Tesaro is crazy because imagine just like slamming your head back, then flying your head forward. You're really approaching the limits of traction when you slam on the brakes at 90 miles per hour.
So that was a fun test to see, but I don't know how that compares. That'd be interesting to see it, too, alongside. So I guess my bottom line here with these two cars is competition is good. I'm sure if you put the Model S and the Taycan Turbo S next to each other.
Am I saying this right? Taycan. Taycan. I'm not really sure.
I also normally pronounce it Porsche. So I Porsche in here and someone's probably losing. Oh, you said Porsche. I've tried to say Porsche, but I'm sure I had Porsche.
Well, I'm sure you could put these two cars on a drag strip next to each other and floor it, and the Tesla would just barely beat the Porsche in a straight line. That's what people are going to point to for performance, but there's so much more to performance. And I think actually having real legit competition between Tesla and the other companies that are starting to make electric cars is the best part of this. That's what I'm excited for, for sure.
And it's also seeing a company that has this much history going to it, even if it's one that's super expensive, that not a lot of consumers are gonna be able to buy. Yeah, it's gonna be. It's fun to see these places come. These different companies come out and take on and create competition.
And, yeah, we're all gonna benefit from it. And there are others that have sort of caught my eye. Remember ics? We saw Audi E Tron.
Yes. That was one that's been sort of creeping up. There's no official info for that yet, but I was curious, just because you think of Audi as a premium manufacturer and there's others, and we have a whole state of electric vehicles sort of concept bubbling. I'm sure this will end up being its own podcast or video or something.
But I think that Porsche take on Turbo S specifically, even though I think it's a little bit overpriced, I think it's the closest thing we have to something that can move the needle on what Tesla has to do now. Like, they may actually have to react as far as charging speed and as far as interior styling and things like that. I also saw a photo from the event of people trying to sit in the back seat of the turbo and it wasn't ideal really. Yeah, looked a little bit cramped.
I'm assuming the interior is great. Porsche is known for good stuff like that. Tesla has a good interior. But a lot of people who come from luxury cars like me and Audi and I love this point.
Okay, so I consider maybe myself a minimalist or something of a minimalist because I really like the interior of a Tesla. If you've never seen the interior of a Tesla Model S, there are zero buttons or knobs outside of the hazard lights, the window switches and the mirror adjustment. Everything else is just on the steering wheel or on the main screen or the dash behind the screen. That's it.
You have your air vents, just like broad, clean surfaces. And people coming from high end, German, Italian, all these other cars are used to having buttons, knobs, switches, glass, metal, little clocks in the side, like all sorts of really high quality switches. Things where you just feel like you're getting the premium material because you are. There's leather stitching, the seats are really nice.
And they've earned that credit. Over 100 years of making cars where you sit inside a Porsche and you're like, damn, this is nice. This is a nice car. I don't think normal people get that same feeling from a Tesla, but I do.
So I really like the interior of the Tesla, but I think a lot of people will compare the interiors and advantage Porsche for sure. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I don't think there's anything wrong with the Tesla interior. It's just nice jump out and grab you as the interior of some of these, these higher end cars were.
And I'm sure for $180,000 they're going to put something in there. And you're pretty crazy. Yeah, yeah. I mean it's an expensive car.
And, and when you're buying like, okay, try to put yourself as a person trying to decide which of these two cars to buy. Like, think about that. If you're in your car right now, listening, like, look around, what would you rather have in your car than, than the current car? Like a lot of people are gonna say, I'd rather have that nice interior, I'd rather have the Porsche badge.
You know, there's a whole bunch of things that people really value in cars that, you know, Tesla probably doesn't necessarily have, but there's a whole bunch of things on paper like Autopilot. That's a big question mark. Can these cars fully self drive themselves? Do you care at all about that.
Do you have a supercharger near you? That's something you can't really measure on paper. Like there's all kinds of variables that are hard to measure that I think are very personal. But yeah, I think if a take on was $120,000, I would be very curious to see what kind of sales they have.
But I think because it's 150 to start and the Turbo S is 185, I think they're still going to have a little bit of work cut out for them. As far as selling to people who really want to buy an electric car that don't have a supercharging unit. Yeah, it's a much more niche group of people because it's high end luxury and electronic. Yeah.
And obviously it's not a big. Yeah, that's why Model three is killing right now. I am excited for whoever comes out with a $40,000 electric car with 300 miles of range and like a decent zippy performance car, like with the interior that people like and you know, toss any brand name on it that people will just assume is better because Porsche, Audi, whatever you want to say, like, that car is probably going to do really well anyway. This whole thing comes back down to competition.
This is the best competition I've seen yet. To Tesla, that makes me very happy. Yeah. All right, so we'll take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll talk some quick tech rumors.
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So a couple quick updates in the recent turn of events. Tech World number one, Android 10 is out. Some sad news about Android 10. They are getting rid of the desserts.
Oh no. Yeah, the dessert names. The names. I made Google so fun.
From A, B, C, D, E, F, G all the way to. I guess I gave up at Q because there's probably not any desserts that start with Q. I know there's some foods that start with Q but it's just Android 10 now. Yeah, the dessert thing's gonna hurt.
I always remember my first Google I O was for Android O and there were Oreos everywhere and it was a great perk. It was, I think a whole video we made. We tried to sneak as many Oreos into the video as possible and that was a great time. It's always fun watching Hiroshi on Twitter just troll everybody on what Hoshi made.
Hiroshi had a. For those who don't know, hoshiakhaymer has been charge of Android for a while. He's had a habit of trolling, just sort of teasing what the next version of Android's name will be before it comes out. Because we all just sort assume he knows and controls what it's called and we all are in mercy trying to guess it.
I'm gonna miss that a little bit. I think When P came out, we made a fake Android that looked like Peppermint. Have somebody retweeted it and I'm not sure that and the world went, well, it's either definitely Peppermint or definitely not Peppermint. Thanks, Roshi.
Yeah. So, fun fact. I think I know all of the versions off the top of my head, so. Well, first there is a B.
I don't know those Alpha beta. Let me pull it up real quick. Okay, you can fact check me. All right, let's go.
So we're gonna start at C, right? Okay, cool. Okay, so verify. I'm not looking at anything.
No, this is Fairly Donut. Okay. So cupcake donut. Eclair.
Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb. Ice cream sandwich. Jelly bean. KitKat.
Not lemon. What is L Lollipop? M is. Oh, no, what came before Nougat.
What is that? Marshmallow. There it is. Marshmallow Nougat.
Oreo. And then P was the last one, so pie. And then q is just Android 10. That's where it ends.
Yeah, I don't think we could think of anything that Q released before. Yeah, Quiche was one of Those. Quiche. So Android 10 is out anyway, long story short, probably can't.
I wouldn't cross your fingers on getting it on your device anytime soon if you don't have a Pixel or a OnePlus One right now. Did I read something that Essential Phones. One of the ones getting. Or Essential Phone.
Yeah. That's actually incredible. Always to me. I love that.
I love that. Little. Little seems like a startup. I mean, they're a big company, but yes, Essential.
Sort of in the corner, updating all their phones alongside Google. If you have a Pixel, you can grab it now. If you have a pixelbook, you can grab it now. I guess.
But other than that, all six of you pull over right now. Download Android 10 on your Pixelbook. If you're not in that group, I guess sort of cross your fingers because it's just sort of out there. Yeah.
And if you're on Samsung, see you in like, three years. Yeah. I hope you get the latest version sometime in the next 365 days. But yeah, Android 10's out there.
Next up, I wanted to show. I can't really show it to you, but I just want to read you guys a headline. Just because it's September now and this is sort of the state of smartphone announcements right now. Let me pull up this exact headline and read it to you.
Huawei Mate 30 Pro renders show no volume buttons and seven cameras. I wish you could see the Italian lip kissing I was doing right now. Finger kissing. Yeah.
What a great headline. So 2019 so mate 30 Pro is going to come out. I sort of actually tweeted recently we have a bunch of stuff coming up. We have iPhone 11, 11 Pro, we have Pixel 4, we have the Mac Pro coming out, we have all this stuff coming in September.
Actually conveniently for cut while we made three Pro, I think I just sort of erased them from my memory after their whole thing earlier this year. A lot of comments saying how much you hate while we. But hey, they're here. They're going to have Mate 30 Pro and it may in fact have Android income to the U.S.
who knows? We'll link this in the show notes if you want to check it out. But I'm excited for it to hit up. It did great in our camera bracket showdown last year.
True. Actually it won Mate 20 Pro. Mate 20 Pro won the blind smartphone camera test. So Mate 30 Pro is slotted to have the four cameras on the back is kind of a misnomer, but it is four.
It's a wide angle, it's an ultra wide, it's a telephoto and it's a time of flight sensor and then there's three cameras on the front which I guess is a regular and ultra wide and a ton of flight also. Nice. Yeah. So no buttons is kind of weird.
I'm not sure I'm ever going to be on board with the whole no buttons thing. I know that sort of movement to get rid of all the ports and buttons but nothing's quite like I think no button. Real buttons. Yeah, it has a while ago before I think we all fully adapt that and take it as normal.
Thanks for the proof. HTC and we also have a couple other iPhone rumors of course we're going to have this iPhone event very soon after the time. You may be listening to this while waiting for the iPhone event to start. But we have a couple other iPhone Pro rumors which I love that are there may be a matte finish to the iPhone and there always seems to be either a space gray or black iPhone.
So if there's a matte black iPhone 11 Pro I I don't see how I don't end up using this phone. I mean like as over your Android phone. Yeah, I mean for at least like a week or two I have to test it as my main phone so that's something that usually happens but Matt Black please. Tim Cook, I know you're listening.
Make it Happen. But there's also rumors of a revived iPhone SE. So a cheaper sort of budget iPhone may not necessarily be announced at the same spring event we're about to have, but a smaller 4.7-inch display in an iPhone in 2020. 20.
Okay. I feel like we've been hearing se rumors for a while, and they never quite seem to come to fruition, but they sort of float around. The design everyone wants is, like, that square iPhone5s or iPhone4 design. That's the dream, anyway.
And then having that compact iPhone with the new internals. But I don't think that's gonna happen. I think it's just gonna be iPhone 7. It's probably very similar to what we're seeing now rather than back then.
Yeah. So it's an exciting rumor in theory, but not necessarily going to be the dream phone that we're all. No, no, it's not going to be marked as a dream, for sure. Sorry.
All right, next up, I have travel cameras in bold. Oh. Seems like you have a lot to say about traveling. I do have quite a bit to say about it.
This is something we've talked about a couple times. So, like, recently, I've been visiting a lot of national parks. They're beautiful. And I think every time I've gone, I've brought something different with me to take pictures with.
I mean, a different camera, a different way to take. They're not with cameras. I only have my phone this time. Okay.
But, I mean, that's the camera. We talked about that before. What's the best camera? The camera you actually have with you.
True. And, I mean, you never really go hiking unless you take pictures to show the world that you went hiking. So would you really go on a hike if they weren't pictures from above the cloud? Exactly.
So this last week, I was actually on vacation. We were out in Colorado. I was actually going to a wedding. Congrats.
Connor and Chloe Marquez and I both used to be teammates with Connor, so congrats, guys. And it was a great opportunity to go out there and check out Rocky Mountain national park, which was. I like to call it breathtaking because it's, like 12,000ft above sea level. And I took one hike at the top of one of the mountains and was just huffing and puffing after, like, a quarter of a mile.
It's crazy how much elevation changes. I've been to Colorado once, and I think I might have even talked about this in a previous episode, but I was, like, curious if the elevation difference is real. It's so real that literally we were playing ultimate and we weren't even that high of a city, but people were throwing accidentally too far out the back of the Amazon way more often. And I noticed that was actually real.
And you could feel it near. It's like the. I think the lowest point, Rocky Matt national park is like 9,000ft above sea level. And you drive up the road and you get to the point that's around 12 and like we're getting close to three miles above sea level.
It's pretty, pretty crazy. But the park is absolutely beautiful. Mountains, lakes up in the mountains. We had a great time there.
But every time I come back from one of these, I talk to my guys and we have this conversation and kind of a debate over what's the best camera to bring to something like this. Yeah, you want, you want to capture it as best as you possibly can, but you're also going for a hike and you're carrying, you're carrying this weight for however many miles above sea level. You go in thin air. So you sort of want minimize how much you carry.
So maybe a smartphone camera seems like a great idea or a compact camera. But then is the image quality going to do it justice? Do you want to bring a bigger camera? I'm curious what you found bringing just your phone, this house.
So I think what's interesting is I think the average hike we did on this trip was probably like 8 miles apiece, which is. Well, it's a lot carrying a heavier camera around like that. You could definitely not bring it. If you bought a red camera, something like that, you'd have to have training for it.
I totally wouldn't. Surprise me. We try to take a break every four steps, but. Yeah, just a small tidbit.
I did go for a hike in Hawaii and I did bring the hassle bike, but I regretted it so much. So one of the first parks I went to was Glacier last year. And I brought a really nice camera. I brought the ASNR with me.
Yeah, I brought a couple lenses. I brought the 24 to 105. I actually rented a. I think it was a 70 to 300.
That's some big lenses. It's not light at all. And in my backpack it was too much weight, so I just wound up carrying it most of the time. I did a 13 mile hike one time and I thought my arm was gonna come out of the side, so.
A7R. Yeah, a7R is a. It's a lightweight body. It's a smaller camera.
But then when you add that Weight. It's not the biggest handle in the world. So you're kind of just like, gripping this flat thing with a big glass weight on the side. Yeah.
And it took absolutely beautiful pictures. I mean, like, getting back and icing my shoulder and resting, I'm like, oh, man, I'm so glad I brought this. But there are definitely times in the hike where you're just like, this is miserable. Why did I bring this with me?
So after that, would you decide you wanted a lighter camera to sacrifice image quality? I think I was okay with sacrificing image quality. It's something we talked about in the camera bracket test before is like, we're mostly posting these to Twitter and Instagram. Okay.
With some. Some sacrificing quality. So the next trip I went to actually was Acadia, and I just brought my phone. I got a bunch of great pictures with just my phone.
Pixel 3. Everything looked great. It stayed in my pocket the whole time. That was wonderful.
Actually, in Acadia, it was perfect. Then I go to Rocky Mountain, and I think my biggest thing I missed was now a telephoto with it, because in Rocky Mountain, there's a lot more wildlife and something that I've done on my bucket list for a long time, seeing a moose. I saw a couple of them, and I was so bummed. You can't take a good News photo from 400 yards away with a.
With a Pixel smartphone camera. It means it'll be okay. But, like, you don't want to get close to this. No, you do not want.
Apparently, they're super dangerous because of how dumb they are and how. That's my favorite kind of danger. They get startled way too easily and just charge. So you don't want to get anywhere near them.
The first time I saw one, Claire and I were kind of terrified. It was pretty. It was just in a field, and it was just us and this one tree we were basically, like, hiding behind at first. So sick.
But my favorite stat about, by the way, dumb dangerous animals is one of the most dangerous animals to humans is deer. Okay. And that's because they jump in front of cars all the time. Yeah, we have that a lot.
New Jersey. Anyway. So you'd rather have a telephoto lens in the case where you're photographing wildlife that's further away. Can I.
Can I suggest. Or I don't know if you probably had these actually, the moment lenses you can have. I did have those. I had them in a kid as well.
And I definitely would say if you're Just going to bring your phone, pick up at least the wide angle. The wide angle is super fun. It lets you, when you have big scenery, you want to get all of it super wide. So that's great.
I had the Anamorphic Gym which took some really, really cool pictures. So for those who don't know the moment lenses, Moment is a company that makes a lot of attachment SmartPH. So they have a special case that you put your phone in and it has a lens mount that you put in front of the camera. Instead of just using your smartphone's primary camera, you can attach an ultra wide angle lens to your smartphone and it's this little, you know, cherry tomato sized like small attachment you can throw in your pocket if you want to have one.
If you want to have two of them. They also make a telephoto lens you can attach to your phone and Anamorphic if you want to take crazy super ultra wide videos. So yeah, if you're thinking about going like a smartphone only route, which a lot of people do, but you want that extra reach of a telephoto that might be a combo to keep in mind. Yeah, I can highly suggest it.
First of all, Moment lenses are super high quality. I think that's the original reason we got kind of into them. They just sent us some and we're like these feel like real lenses. They came in a lens case.
Yeah, they felt amazing. It's not one of those little clip on ones you see. They like twist and lock into the lens mount or case. Yeah.
So they come for iPhones, Pixels, maybe one or two others. But those are the main like camera focus smartphones. I actually had my hiking backpack has two little pouches by the waist. I had like wide and ultrad in one and telly in the other one.
Yeah, you'd have been, you'd have been a poster on their site for like the ideal user, Caleb Niles. But my only issue with that is even with the tele and the tele at full zoom, I was getting close to some of the wildlife. It felt close. But then picture quality at that point.
It's not Moment's fault, it's our phones with full zoom. It's just garbage. Yeah. Okay, so I have a camera sitting in front of me.
Yes. And this is actually something I could not stop thinking about while I was out there and I was so glad I did not bring it. This might be the one. I'm holding the RX100 mark 7 and it's pretty expensive, it's about 1100 bucks.
But there's an RX100 you can get that takes just as good photography photos, not quite as good videos, but it's a palm sized camera with a really good zoom, optical zoom. I think I'm looking at a. I don't know the equivalent anymore, but it's over 100 millimeter zoom in the palm of your hand. This might have been somewhere like a good.
It'll still fit in that same jacket pocket type of thing, maybe a back pocket. You take it out, you get your optical zoom and you get a much better photo than a smartphone. It's just not quite as fast. I think I'd be fine with that.
Like I'd be fine holding that in my hand. I'd be fine putting that in a pocket right on my chest somewhere when I'm walking around and be able to whip it out really quick. I think most of the places when you're in a park like that, you know, it's very rare that you're the only person that finds wildlife. You're more looking for cars that are pulled around the side of the road or a bunch of people pointing.
Those people found the cool stuff. Yeah, exactly. Like I could whip the camera out while I'm on my way there. So that's not that big of a deal.
But having something that small with a good zoom like that, I honestly could not stop think thinking, why didn't I bring the MRX100 with me? What an easy pack that I could have done that I just didn't think about. So yeah, that's what I was kind of thinking. I know you're.
It's interesting because you've had conversations like this before. I think it was before you went to why you're like, oh yeah, I'd bring the Hasselblad, why wouldn't you? Like it doesn't have a big of a huge telephoto lens so I can just crop it in 50 megapixels. It's true.
Okay, so here's my experience with traveling with cameras. I am stubborn and I over and over and over again make the mistake, I guess of packing a camera that's too big and too clumsy but takes amazing images. So I will take less images than I wanted to. But the couple that I do take will be really good but I'll miss like a bunch that I wish I also took.
So I carry in my backpack pretty much all the time Canon dsr and I could be out somewhere and like see something happen in front of me. I'd be like, that Would have been great to capture. And I'll just not take my phone out. I'll just watch it happen.
Because the EOS R would have been too, you know, unzipping my backpack, getting shirts on, like getting everything set up. I just don't do that as much. But when I do, it looks great. Uh, so yeah, maybe this RX100 something I should think about carrying, maybe not instead, but you know.
Yeah. As a quick running gun. Let's. There it is.
I have a couple seconds. Yeah. Also at a certain point, like when you were hiking in Hawaii, how far it was up a mountain, right? Yeah.
And I wasn't taking. So I only took one lens with me. It was like a 45. So it's like a medium, not even telephoto.
Cause it's such a big sensor to me. And for my sensor, so anytime I'm pointing camera or something, it's either a giant landscape, which means I can just focus on whatever and it takes a shot or another person or something like right in front of me like a plant or something like that. And so that lens was fine for that, but anytime it was super specific. But there were whales in the water like thousand yards away.
I wanted to get a photo of that, but I just took a picture with a wide angle lens and you have to zoom a lot to get that. So yeah, having a multiple lens setup would not have quite worked for the type of fast thing that we would have been doing in the hike. But the couple photos we did take, like I said on the Hassleblad looked sick. So yep, somewhere between I think I'm keep carrying the EOS R just because I want to do photos and videos.
But RX100 is my new favorite because the Mark 7 has a mic jack. Now you can legitimately plug in a little mic around the side. The articulating screen points at you and becomes a little vlogging camera. So you're saying if you are a backpacking or hiking vlogger.
Yeah. So I guess here's, here's my recommendation. If you are going on a vacation specifically to go for a hike where you want a very lightweight camera, but you want to take pictures so bad that you're willing to take a dedicated camera. I would recommend a point shoot like the RX100 and it doesn't have to be the Mark 7.
This is super similar to the Mark 6 and the Mark V, but it will take 4K videos. It has a great zoom lens. I'm coming off kind of like an ad Right now. But that's okay.
This is a great camera. I don't think there's also the whole world of like the Insta 3 60s and the GoPros. And that's another thing I was thinking, like those are legitimately built for travel and to be rugged and to toss in a bag. But you're, you're.
Again, you're on a fixed lens. Again, it is going to be smaller and lighter, but image quality is not going to be as good. I mean, that's a smartphone sensor basically. So, uh, yeah, I'll go with a little point sheet like that.
Awesome. Yeah. I thought this conversation was kind of fun because the amount of emails and tweets we get, that's like, I'm doing this. Want to take pictures of that?
I have budget of this. What's the best thing to do? Yeah, it's hard to answer that question for every single person. So this is a scenario.
I think a lot of people like to go outside, like to see scenery. So this was something I think a lot of people can relate to. And the hardest part about RX100 recommendation is budget because it's over a thousand. But if you can get down to the Mark 4 or Mark 5, if you don't care as much about 4K video, those cameras are 500 bucks right now.
So there you have it. Sounds pretty perfect. All right, so next topic. Back in episode one, you kind of introduced me as someone in the studio who plays a lot of games.
You don't play very many resident game experts. Yeah, I'll take it. Yeah, throw that on my LinkedIn profile. But you want me to update you if there's any big gaming music.
The first thing we talked about was Ninja switching to mixer. Did he bail? No, no, he's still. I don't think that contract is letting him bail out anytime soon.
So this is more. This isn't person specifically, but more about games. I actually saw, you know Luke from our now arch rival for the next few months line of promotions. Yeah, yeah.
He tweeted something about the top five games were on Twitch last week. And I think to somebody outside the gaming world, this is super interesting. So I'm going to read off the five titles. Top five most played on top.
Well, so Twitch would be listed as the top five most watched played games because everything on Twitch is listed by how many people are watching it. So these are the top five games viewed. I don't know exactly about played, but all the top streamers are pretty much playing some of these games which Means thousands and thousands and thousands of. So these are like the trending topics on.
Pretty much. Exactly. All right, number one is World of Warcraft. Number two was Fortnite, which I don't think anyone's suppressed about.
Number three was Grand Theft Auto 5. Number four was Minecraft, and number five was League of Legends. So first of all, you do play some games. You play racing in NBA games also, by the way, I play games.
Marques destroys me in NBA anytime you play it. But either way, have you played any of those games that I've mentioned? No. When is Grand Theft Auto 5?
Is that the newest Grand Theft Auto or is that. I think it's the newest. It's not that new. Right.
It's not that new. Which is actually. Do you know what any of these games have in common? I know you said League of Legends is the number one.
Okay. So I know that's a pretty big legacy game. I'm aware of that. And Minecraft has had this resurgence.
Yes. I think that's mostly due to PewDiePie. I think a good part of that is due to PewDiePie. I think a lot of people have been playing it, but PewDiePie has brought it back to the older generation.
Now who's streaming. People are discovering Minecraft, which is kind of funny. Okay, so what is the common thread? None of these were released this year.
We're pretty late into 2019. You'd think a 2019 would be at the top of that. And what's even more interesting about that is three of those five are from before 2010. So three of those five are 10 years old.
That is more impressive because I could see like even in the smartphone world right now, the best selling phones came out last year, end of September. It's like the iPhone X, even the most popular phones like from Samsung. But yeah, 10 years ago in the gaming world, that seems like a long time. All right, so Minecraft and League of Legends, they both came out in 2009.
Like you said, we talked a little bit about. We think PewDiePie is a big reason. I mean, Minecraft has always been popular and it's been popular to the younger audience. It's just one of those games that you can play over and over and over again.
League of Legends is still huge along with Dota 2, which is was released not that long after that. Both of those are the games that just have a huge audience. That is professional scene, that's gotten really big. But I kind of think what the more interesting thing is.