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You need to get a better name. I'm not kidding Good evening everybody. This is your host Castle. Welcome to a special episode of the Wis Show Tonight we're gonna do things a little bit different.

We're gonna start with the reading of a scary story by our own Tim beaker And the story is from scary stories three more tales to tell your bones and the stories called the trouble now on to beaker The events in this story took place in 1958 in a small White House and a suburb of New York City The names of the people involved have been changed Monday February 3rd Tom Lombardo and his sister Nancy had just come home from school Tom was going on 13 Nancy was 14 They were talking to the mother in the living room when they heard a loud pop in the kitchen It sounded like a cork had been pulled from the bottle of champagne But it was nothing like that the cap on a bottle of starch had somehow come unscrewed and the bottle of tipped over and spilled Then bottles all over the house began popping bottles of nail polish remover shampoo bleach rubbing alcohol even a bottle of holy water Each had a screw cap that took two or three full turns to open but each had opened by itself without any human help Then had fallen over and spilled what is going on here? Mrs. Lombardo asked nobody knew but the popping soon stopped and everything went back to normal It was just one of those crazy things they decided and put it out of their minds Thursday February 6 Just after Tom and Nancy got home from school six more bottles popped your caps the next day about the same time another six did Sunday February 9th at 11 o'clock that morning Thomas in the bathroom brushing his teeth his father standing the door We're talking to him all the sudden a bottle of medicine began moving across the vanity by itself and fell into the sink At the same time a bottle of shampoo moved to the edge of the vanity and crashed to the floor They watched spellbound. I better call the police Mr.

Lombardo said that afternoon a patrol man interviewed the family as bottles popped in the bathroom The police assigned a detective named Joseph Briggs to the case detective Briggs was a practical man when something moved He believed that a human or an animal had moved it But it was moved because of a vibration of the wind or some other natural cause he did not believe in ghosts When the Lombardo said they had nothing to do with what was going on He thought that at least one of them was lying he wanted to examine the house Then he wanted to talk to some experts and find out what they thought Tuesday February 11th The bottle of holy water that had opened a week before opened a second time and spilled two days later It spilled again Saturday February 15th Tom Nancy and a relative of watching TV in the living room a small porcelain statue rose up from a table It threw feet it flew three feet through the air then fell to the rug Monday February 17th a priest blessed the Lombardo's house to protect it against whatever was causing the trouble Thursday February 20th. Well, Tom was doing his homework at one end of the dining room table a sugar bowl at the other end flew into the hall and crashed Detective Briggs saw happen later a bottle of ink on the table flew into the wall and broke spattering in all directions Then another porcelain statue took off it traveled 12 feet and smashed into a desk Friday February 21st to get some peace the Lombardo's went to a relative's house for the weekend while they were gone everything at home was normal Sunday February 23rd, but the Lombardo's returned another sugar bowl took off and flew into a wall and smashed smithereens Later a heavy bureau and Tom's room toppled over but no one was in the room when it happened Monday February 24th by now detector breaks to talk to an engineer a chemist a physicist and others some thought that vibrations in the house were Causing the trouble these that come from underground water They said or from high frequency radio waves or from sonic booms caused by airplanes Others said that the electrical systems was the cause are down just coming through the chimney the popping of bottles was blamed on chemicals the bottles contained Test showed that there were no vibrations in the house There's nothing wrong with the electrical system and there are no chemicals in the bottles that would make them pop Then what was causing the trouble none of the experts knew but every day the Lombardos received dozens of letters and telephone calls from people who thought they did Know many believe that the house was haunted. They thought that a poltergeist was on the loose The noisy ghost that is blamed when things move around on their own No one has proved that polterguys exist But people everywhere have told stories about them for hundreds of years and what they've told us not too different From what was happening to the Lombardos Detective Briggs did not of course believe in poltergeist he had begun to believe that Tom Lombardle might be to blame Whenever something happened Tom was usually in the room or nearby when he accused Tom of causing the trouble the boy denied it I don't know what was going on. He said all they know is that it scares me People said that detective Briggs was a tough cop who would turn in his own mother if she did something wrong But he believed Tom only now he didn't know what to think Tuesday February 25th a newspaper reporter came to the house to interview the family Afterward he sat in a living room by himself hoping that something would happen that he can describe in the story Tom's room was just across the hall from where the reporter sat the boy had gone to bed But he left his door open suddenly a globe of the world flew out of the darkened room and smashed into a wall The reporter dashed into the bedroom and turned on the light Tom was sitting in bed blinking as if he'd just been awake in front of sound sleep What was that he asked?

Wednesday February 26 in the morning a small plastic statue of the Virgin Mary rose up from a dresser and Mr And Mrs. Lombardos bedroom and flew into a mirror that night while Tom was doing his homework a 10 pound record player took off from a table Flew 15 feet and crashed into the floor Friday February 28th two scientists arrived from Duke University, North Carolina They were parapsychologists who studied experiences like those the Lombardos were having they spent several days taking talking to the family and examining the house Trying to understand what was going on and what was causing it one night a bottle of bleach popped at the top But that was all that happened during revisit they did not tell the Lombardos about a theory They had that a poltergeist actually might be involved in such cases according to this idea poltergeist were not ghost They were normal teenagers they become so troubled by a problem that their emotions built up into a kind of vibration So it was taking place in their unconscious minds. They didn't even know it was happening But the vibration somehow left their bodies and moved whatever it struck it happened again and again until the problem had been solved Scientists have given the strange power name. They call it psycho kinesis the ability to move objects with mental power or mind over matter No one knew if this really could happen or how to prove it.

Yeah, most reporters of poltergeist Did involve families with teenage children and there are two teenagers in the Lombardo in the Lombardo family Monday March 3rd the parapsychologists said that they would prepare report on what they had learned the day after they left the trouble returned with a vengeance Tuesday March 4th and the afternoon a bowl of flowers flew off the dining room table and smashed into a cupboard Then a bottle of bleach dumped out the cardboard box and popped its top Then a bookcase filled with the psychopedia's fell over and wedged itself between a radiator and a wall Then a flashlight bowl on the table rose up and hit a wall 12 feet away Finally four knocks of her coming from the kitchen when nobody was in that room Wednesday March 5th Well, Mrs. Lombardo was making breakfast. She heard a loud crash in the living room the coffee table it turned over by itself But that was the end of it after a month of chaos everything returned to normal in August the two parapsychologists gave the report They decided that Lombardos had not made up the story nor they had had they imagined it their trouble had been real But what had caused it they said that no pranks or tricks were involved nor was any magic as a place had done They also ruled out vibrations from underground water or other physical causes The only explanation that they could not rule out was the possibility that a teenage poltergeist had been at work moving objects with mental power They did not have enough evidence to prove it But it was the only answer they had if it was a poltergeist they thought it was Tom if they were right if a normal boy like Tom It'd become a poltergeist this might also happen to other teenagers it might even happen to you It felt like there was a there was a spirit or somebody that I knew very well that was guiding me through the cemetery Showing me the safe way out so I didn't get caught by security because he was bouncing on the first place and Welcome to the wish show is to talk about his crimes Confessions confessions on the wish show. Hey, I am your host Castle.

Welcome to the wish show With me as always we've got our co-host Tim what's happening. Okay, beaker. We have got brandy. Hey K a peaches We've got the end I want an AKA aka Willow Here cinnamon Extra prayer which I'm sure silent on doesn't mind whoa.

I don't mind. I don't mind. I don't mind my cherry pie So Dan aka Jan and on aka silent on oh, I'm sorry poor some sugar on me Welcome to another wish show and this is actually a special episode tonight's topic just special or special Special is special does it's going to be a episode on poltergeist and it's gonna actually be a two-part episode to actually had a brilliant idea No, I know what? Every now and then oh, you know I before you too far actually mention lurch is not here lurch is in Vegas and Vegas is Hot sitter running or something is it my marathon?

I'm what is he doing? I'm pretty sure he's trying to find his own formal poltergeist right now I was gonna say I gotta be honest with you if he's running in Vegas in early June that sounds hot miserable unless it's a Raining at midnight. I always sounds hot miserable. It's not bad in January Anyway, tonight we have a special episode it is gonna be on poltergeist and we kind of we're actually doing this as a two-part episode So lurch may come in on the second part of this.

We will do tonight's episode in a couple weeks We will record the second part of this and we're gonna do a little bit different We're gonna talk about actual poltergeist and dian has been doing research on that for us And we are going to talk about the movie poltergeist because we all sat down and watched that this evening And we're gonna talk about kind of the factual things that could happen in that movie and the stuff that is just crazy Perfect we're gonna do another episode of Hollywood versus reality Basically and it's gonna be on the poltergeist movie now Tim. Do you want to tell us what the part two is gonna be about? Yeah Sure, what so part two I'm still trying to locate it, but there was a Documentary that was done by eating true Hollywood stories about the curse of the poltergeist movie So we're gonna be in the second part of this episode We're gonna be jumping into that curse and kind of going into Things of that nature as far as the movie goes and also in this episode We are going to have a reading of a scary story is that correct Tim? Sure I was actually thinking I could just you know record it when we're all done here and we could throw it on the beginning of the episode But that's actually fantastic.

I just wanted to do that way that way that way dian and and silent on could take off in the Yeah, I know they have to think they turn the pumpkins at 10 o'clock at night. We do yeah, which is really interesting on investigation I shop like 15 minutes ago go People investigation before long I'll be all that's gonna die just be part of the investigation We're gonna start eating dinner at four. We mean start They're gonna be that couple of the check around my four go hey I'm getting the senior citizen discount at del taco a free drink man nice whoa And what age do we get the seniors to get five really 13 more years and senior discount here we come? Yes, I die it disgusting this So before we go on let's talk about investigations since our last podcast have we done any investigations other than Tim talking about his illegal Jump through and yet to be a well for the second time I took a federal prison We want in the name of the cemetery.

We might I don't did you start recording after I said the name of the city? I'm pretty sure I did not Yeah, down I Friday night decided to by the way don't do this people. This is not legal This is yeah, totally not legal. We could be on a lot of trouble like the people that actually did get cut got in We wanted to do an investigation Friday night and we can find anything going on So our plan was is to hit up this certain cemetery and then go to another certain undisclosed location that would also have been trespassing But anything Tim's I'll tell you guys the first time I said my only be 30 minutes long when this earth 30 seconds long when this air I'll tell you I'll tell you off air what the other location was and you guys are probably like oh, it's totally go there No so yeah, we had this in prompt investigation and and we snuck into a Place that was closed and started on investigation and right off the bat like we started having activity as far as like Dell was getting kind of pushed and kind of kind of molested a little bit something grabbed his butt or more So like pushed his butt, but yeah, he was being touched in the bottom area Party eyes known as where it is breaking through the sex underway I can't tell you you might arrest me so yeah We started hearing what some of like footsteps just all over around us in the grass Kind of sound like basically we found out later that there was this one particular spirit that was super unhappy that we were there So they were doing whatever they could break in the law breaking the law sort of Calling Tim rebel rebel.

Okay rebel. Yeah Well, this is very unhappy because we were setting our equipment on top of certain things that they considered Oh God, you said equipment I'd be upset if you set your equipment on me too Certain things that they considered to be Sacred more or less if that makes sense. Do you just do write a tomb like the mummies tomb? Well?

Yeah, I mean we both dressed up as Lara Croft But yeah, he was on basically was an happy that we were in the area that we were in and what was funny It's like both of the same time kind of we're drawn away from the area We are investigating into a different part of the location and it was shortly after that I actually got a phone call from peaches Ask me what the hell I was doing and then right after that There was a bunch of teenage kids that showed up and they're being really loud and making a lot of noise and being disrespectful Right where we had just walked away from and the security guys in the security office actually heard them We came out to kind of find these people and kick them out and it was kind of interesting because the whole time like this was going on Dell and I both felt like we were being pulled or drawn towards different parts of the Location so we weren't caught and then after after we kind of went out of location and just kind of walked around a little bit And then snuck back in a different spot. We heard the kids getting yelled at again by security Saw the kid to drive off and security to turn around so we even found a different spot away from the security shack and continued our investigation and found out that that Same spirit at the start of our investigation had actually followed us this entire time making sure that you know We were being respectful to the location and both of us started kind of getting the feeling that It was angry because we were where we were placing our equipment During the investigation and we both started getting kind of the feeling that like we got from the Ghost me to pro Like it was trying to trick us into thinking it was a type 3 But we definitely got the feeling that we weren't welcome there anymore So we decided to call it might and leave and as we were walking back to the car We're both kind of like yeah that felt more like a type 2 trying to just kind of like Show us that he's trying to trick us into use a type 3 just trying to scare us out of the location But before our listeners think you're too big rebel. I will just put out there and I don't think this is a big deal They're actually at a cemetery and the reason I put that out there So I want to think you have like breaking into buildings. No, yeah, we would say yeah We were just a humanitarian that's where it was upset that we were just putting our recorders and our K2s on headstones Yeah, so it's not like they were breaking into a building or into like some major private property So I should have put that out there for people like security shack What yeah, it was it was a rather large cemetery and the spirit was just upset that we were placing our equipment on top of the headstone So we actually got that information from the ghost me to pro that he was upset doing that that we were doing that And like I said as we were walking back to the car We kind of got the feeling that it was more of a type 2 than a type 3 like it claimed to be just kind of Wanting us out of there because it was upset that we're there And the funny thing is is you know the next night I'm hanging out with peaches and she confirmed all the information that we got from that investigation Which for our listeners peaches do you want to explain how you knew that information just so that cuz they're pregnant a lot?

So there's multiple ways I'm looking at a photo. I can also astro-predict there again. I can help myself Any tends to follow people once in a while and then she tells me but most of it is me projecting spirit energy or me Astro-predicting to that location. I don't know we've ever really talked about astro-predicting Do you want to touch on that real quick?

What exactly that is how you do it? So astro-predicting in layman's terms basically other body experience where you basically kind of float out of your body and go to Different locations you can also travel to what they call it. Well, maybe they call it the further Where there's basically you're looking for other spirits or other people That we need to cross or limbo so to speak and then you can come back into your own body It's another body experience basically so and not to oversimplify But I guess kind of the best way that I can think of to maybe describe this and correct me if I'm wrong is almost like your body Stays a lot, but your spirit's able to kind of be temporarily a ghost in a sense and kind of go where it wants and then come back Yes, I realize it's like a way oversimplification. Yeah, basically That's true, but that's kind of probably the best way to help describe it is basically your spirit being able to in a sense Leave your body and go look at other things But that's like I said, that's an oversimplification and oversimplification of what it actually is So any other investigations want to talk about before we get on our topic wasn't really an investigation But it was kind of fun last night when Randy and I were sitting around the the fire that we lit in my backyard.

Oh, yeah Interesting, I started hearing this my brother's got a camper One of those the hook up to the back of your truck and you take camping I started hearing creaking and what sounded like you know footsteps walking around inside the camper I just kind of looked at peaches and I'm like that was pretty close to midnight I'm like it's way too far into the night for that to be like the creaking of it cooling down I'm like what the hell's going on and she just like to me start laughing She's like well, that's Annie walking through the camper. She's never seen one before and wanted to check it out You can actually hear the footsteps in there. Yeah, we can actually hear creaking around and walking around inside the camper Which was pretty cool for me Which kind of makes you wonder sometimes and here sounds how much is like heat shrinkage or expansion Well, unless I thought it was a first because I mean, you know I'll you know when things heat up they expand when they cool down the contract so but like I said it was pretty close to midnight So it was kind of past that point where you know the cooling down process should have already occurred right interesting Alright, well, let's get started on our topic tonight. Let's talk about poltergeist and yet I'm gonna have you leave the conversation I start off I know that you have currently been taking a demonology course put on my bishop long Yes, and just so you're wearing I kind of want to touch on something real quick and timber out this up Is there's some people on I may have touched on this before so forgive me if I have but some people asking what makes somebody a demonologist And in reality, there's no certification.

There's no There's no course you can take there's no there's no degree There's no group somewhere that makes you know religious symbol over your says congratulations your demonologist It's something that takes a lot of study a lot of time a lot of experience and a lot of knowledge And that's one thing at which that we do do you said do do I did say do do hey damn over it She gave up filtering a long ago, but we do spend a lot of time effort and money to Experience to study and to learn the stuff. I've got a shelf behind me right now full of books on the subject Dan currently spent can I say what you spent? Yeah, it was about two hundred dollars for this course Yeah, basically a course on demonology put on by a bishop who is a non-LDS bishop people what denomination is he long to Dan? He originally was a Roman Catholic and I don't want to put words into his mouth But something he had a little bit of a falling out of some sort and so now he is a still Catholic but a different set Second human set something good.

I'm like is there such a thing? I'm gonna look at our resident Catholic. Is there like American Catholics or I mean like a well, so there's Anglican cat It seems like it's hard with me There is like Greek Orthodox and then there's Catholic and then there's like agnostic It seems like it's hard with an a I know that there's a few little skis on the break off So I know when the Catholic Church went to Vatican 2 and I'm looking at a resident Catholic and make sure I know what I'm talking about I know that there are some that stuck with the old traditions and kind of broke off for lack of a better term Anyway, so I'll go on again So basically this course just to give you a little bit of a background It had a demonology section and it all kind of falls under demonology But there was a demonology section an angelology section Because you know whether you like it or not and for a lot of people paranormal is very into You know religion and spiritual and so that little section of it kind of got into the religious aspect of it Then there was a genealogy course and that was pretty much teaching you how to you know research properties so you could You maybe find it causes for hauntings or reasons for hauntings My favorite section was the last section which was the paranormal part and it covered a lot of different things My favorite part and the part that I found the most fascinating was on the poltergeist So what I'm gonna do is I think I'll just I took a ton of notes I'm just gonna cover some of the basics and some of the things that I think everyone would find interesting No, I think and then we can kind of go from there. Okay, I'm just gonna jump in a quick here And I'm just gonna bring up the real big Controversy on poltergeist is right up front before you get into this and there's kind of two schools of thought and poltergeist One school of thought is that it's paranormal and by paranormal I mean spirit activity and the other school of thought is it's actually telekinesis Basically somebody in the home who is subconsciously causing telekinesis to go on Correct So as far as poltergeist before I took this class had you asked me which school of thought I probably would have said I don't know I need to research it more but after having taken this course I think I am more along the lines of the telekinetic I think that's the one that I'm gonna buy into so let me just give you kind of his theory and I want to say his theory I mean that's where I got it from but it's at least in the circles that he moves in kind of the the accepted theory in paranormal world Which is that an agent and an agent is usually a female who's not younger than 12 who's undergoing some immense stress in their life And they create the activity because one they have a tendency to a gift, you know having the ability as a gift Of telekinesis and then two they can't handle their strong emotions And so that's how they externalize their emotions is by this activity.

So usually just to clarify it's gonna be a generally a Female child kind of in the early stages the mid stages of puberty. Yeah, roughly you know 12 to 18 now If they have found poltergeist cases in males, you know of all ages they have found it in older women But the majority is gonna be adolescent females. I like him. Yes So I struck him speechless.

I don't know what to say. No, you know you can't do that to me So I think that's how you hear my pages turning So the interesting thing that I found was poltergeist activity and demonic activity are the same kind of but opposite if that makes sense It doesn't make any sense. Well, let me give you an example demonic activity a type three wants to wear you down and so a type three you know for whatever reason Let's say it picks you to say I'm gonna wear this guy down the the activity will start out kind of small and A demon will pick a time when things are calm and they'll try to stir things up. It's like everything's calm We're gonna create stress and so a demon will make activity happen and the activity will cause stress Are you okay over there?

No, it's never okay. It's never okay. It's weird faces. Castle's fine.

Castle's try. I'm listening. Okay, good So all right, so for example, let's say that there's a home and for whatever reason we won't even get into that But let's say type three decides to set up house and and wants to possess the people in the home What that type three will do is start doing little things, you know to to cause people stress and as the stress rises The activity almost decreases because he's getting to you know the type three is getting to people whereas in a Poltergeist activity the activity doesn't start until the stresses are either Right, so basically and I kind of just asked the question for our So basically the stress causes the activity in a poltergeist situation Correct whereas the activity causes the stress and demonic situation because the demonic is trying to basically wear the people down Where is the initial stress or an employer gas activity causes the activity You can almost say that like I mean it can go either way because the highest point of stress is gonna be when the activity starts occurring Whether it's you know before or after like if it's poltergeist activity or demonic spirit my thing is is I Have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that that telekinesis is real like as much as I would love to believe in the force I did I have a hard time believing that someone can unknowingly you know move things with their mind like it's to me It's it's gotta be more paranormal. It's gonna be more of a not necessarily demonic spirit But more of like a pissed off angry spirit that's just upset because of whatever reason as opposed to someone just being able to Unknowingly just move things with their mind You know I would have agreed with you at one point But the interesting thing is about two weeks before I took this part of the course a good friend of mine Who and I can't give out many details that she lives under incredible stress.

I know this firsthand. Well, she's your neighbor What can we say what I'm saying? It's just living next to your near you And she knows that I understand the stresses that she's going through and so out of the blue one day She sent me a picture of a light bulb and this light bulb was broken and she said That's what that was not. Who's making noise?

Yeah, never turned her phone off. It's kind of me stress So she sent me a picture of this light bulb and she said I shouldn't use electronics when I'm stressed out And I didn't think anything of it because I didn't know anything about this at this time And I read this course and she followed that up with I can't use any electronics because I break everything Well, that's one of the things that says in here that these agents Always break electronic equipment and light bulbs and computers and just anything That she struck by lightning like did she just know she just carry a lot of energy around gamma rays So when I got to this course I sent her a message and I said hey you're poltergeist and she's like what the heck and I explain this to her And she goes you know that makes a lot of sense And again, I can't really say it on the air I'll tell you guys afterwards, but she lives under very very very stressful situation Let's see what else oh so in in a demonic well And what Bishop Long said was to try to decide if it's poltergeist or demonic can be very very hard because when it comes to the stress Because you can't tell sometimes which came first the chicken or egg which came first the stress of the activity That's what I was saying just a minute ago I mean the stress level is gonna be at its peak like when the activity is occurring So how do you know it's one of the other well there's other stuff though So you know if there's efforts you know where things just appear and disappear if it's with a poltergeist case It's usually something to do with the agent So that's a girl that's been molested by her stepfather for example And they've got pictures that are breaking the pictures that are breaking might only be of the stepfather Or they might only be of her a lot of times it alludes to Either who the agent is or what's causing the stress in the agent Whereas in a type 3 all the pictures would be broken or there's not really a pattern in that breakage In a port it would be an in a port is when something disappears or appears right in a In a poltergeist case it would be something that might allude to the cause of the stress or it would be something that was special to the agent Whereas in a demonic it's gonna have intent and the intent is to wear people down So let's say if it's a demonic and there's someone there who's a recovering alcoholic He might have a bottle of whiskey just appear in front of him from nowhere So a lot of it too is intent and say there have been cases with demonic where Just random things have appeared such as PCs just kind of appear out of their and just I mean Who's not gonna be stressed out by a big gross stinking turd occurring milligurism floor? Yeah, you know just randomly show up at my house. I'm gonna be stressed out too So a couple of the other little subtle differences would be violence occurs in both of them So you can't just say oh there's violence.

So it's this or it's that you have to say okay Is the violence only occurring to you know, is it just a stepfather that's you know getting scratched and no one else says whereas in a type 3 Anybody in the household can be a target That's true, but everything that we've kind of dealt with it seems to be Where like a demonic just kind of focuses on one person not like the entire family I mean it affects the entire family, but it seems to focus on just one person and the same thing we said in a poltergeist activity And I'm not trying to just like you know upset you rare It's just a fine line that like to me it just I would it seems more likely that you would have a demonic presence than you know Like I said someone causing these things to happen unknowingly because of their energy They're throwing around and it was very much stressed in the section that it's really really really hard to determine You know because it's hard to say you know when the activity starts and so use the force Tim No, it's you know, there's a whole big question in of you know Does anybody have and this is one where you would be good because of experiences that you have had in interviewing people But it takes a lot of interviewing It's not just something you can go in and determine and one night You know you can't go and be there for now and be like oh, this is a poltergeist you should go see a therapist Well, I can do that I just take peaches with me and it's interesting because well first off We have the luxury of having peaches with us so we can actually take her in and figure out pretty quick what is behind it But I've always kind of been At the same kind of thought school of thought that Tim has but at the same time We've not experienced any poltergeist case that I'm aware of not to my knowledge And they are pretty rare correct as I say and they're usually pretty extreme for my understanding is there's usually some pretty extreme activity involved With the poor guys case it's not the low level stuff that we are commonly running into Well, I can stuff that you'd read about like in the demonologist that happened with like in the rain war I believe there was one of their case that they talked about that definitely revolved around what they considered poltergeist activity So I'll just get real quick just to kind of for our listeners and for you guys I'm just gonna kind of put where I sit on this topic as we continue Where Tim is kind of on the fence of no, no, I'm not a fence. There's no it's it's demonic activity or angry spirits in my opinion Well, that's that's that's maybe fences are wrong so I've worked it Tim is on the side of the fence of demonic rangers spirits Deanna's on the side of Talakinesis agents and I'm gonna be honest with the Isis were in the middle of the fence I think a lot of demonic any respiratory involved, but I also don't discount the possibility of Talakinesis and I believe in the talakinesis I just think that it's going to be extremely rare I mean I don't think it's gonna be you know every third case or every even tenth case right if we run into one in our lifetime We might run into one and part of me wonders if the stress and the The puller guys activity that you're leaning towards Jan wouldn't kind of open the door That stressed out and they have stuff going on their houses like it could be a gateway or a beacon whatever like no Hey, you're coming to my house if we've had cases where I'm sorry. Yeah, I got you off We have had cases where there is a stressed out Teen or child in the home that is kind of drawn something in and I don't know if that's well And it has to be like I said there has to be the two factors the person has to have a gift for the talakinesis anyway You know, I don't want everyone out there thinking oh, I'm under a lot of stress Oh look, I'm a puller guys I mean you have to have a gift anyway, and then you have to be under some pretty extreme stress But I think in a lot in most cases It could probably open up for a type three anyway because let's say let's go back to the You know the little girl who stepfathers abusing her I mean that alone is gonna invite a type three in anyway, so it's very possible that you can have both going on at the same time Right and we and did we talk about that last? podcast That was the source of an investigation we did it was a yes Yeah, it was a teenage girl who there was type three activity there and that was the kind of source That she'd been less than the child once were able to discern that we were able to deal with what was in the home And I haven't had a call back since it was sound we felt it right?

Let me just touch on a couple of the subtle differences that you might watch for When is apparitions in a poltergeist case the only person that will see the apparition is the agent? And the apparition does not interact with the environment so that I person wouldn't speak to you wouldn't move things And only the agent sees it in the case of a type three anybody in the home can see To potentially see it potentially see it They're long-lasting whereas in a poltergeist situation the agent will only see apparitions for just a fraction of a second And in a type three those apparitions do interact with the environment. They will move things. They will they will speak to you It's also common in a type three case or demonic case that they often only show themselves to one person So they because they try to divide and conquer basically they try to make one person feel like they're growing crazy because they're seeing all the stuff Nobody else is seeing it and they're only doing the activity around one person It's only one like there's been cases that I've read about or that we've seen where it's just like one person's experiencing all this activity Correct, but nobody else is and it's I mean that's kind of the same thing You're saying with the poltergeist activity is only the one person's experiencing it Well the one person in a poltergeist would only experience it because it's his or her well We'll say her because it's gonna be mostly females It would be her stresses and she would see it no one else would now in a demonic type of situation Yes, sometimes they just target one person and only the one person sees it But potentially everyone would be able to see it because it's it's an entity of its own It's not stress-induced hallucinations as it were and then just kind of the last thing I want to touch on about this is frightened animals You're gonna get frightened animals in both like us There's two things in a poltergeist situation the animals are going to be scared by the activity You know your dog sitting there and suddenly the couch you know flies up to the ceiling In a demonic situation that the type of the animals are actually scared by the entity So that's when your dog's barking at the empty hallway, correct?

The other thing is that type 3s are going to let me check on this one before I discuss that one for a second Let me make sure I'm talking about this one correctly I'm just saying I'm angry because when we did this Linderman episode Which is like one of our highest listened episodes ever I wanted this kind of back and forth and everybody just agreed with me And I'm like all right Yeah, well, it makes a great video game There's several things based on Slinderman that are scary as hell I see people playing but yeah I just I'm really struggling with like poltergeist because it's like We don't drink on the show he's over here like I need some alcohol I don't hear like I need some tequila my diapepepsy It is there's so many similarities that this is like I mean everything you're saying is is extremely possible and I mean obviously I mean you're not saying it's not possible, but I mean it's oh, you know the spirit does this or the animals react this way Like I mean the dog is gonna be afraid of activity that comes with the demonic case as well Or like cats are gonna be able to see them and well see I always lean really heavy towards the demonic aspect of a poltergeist case But doing this one of my biggest pet peeves if you will it comes to and I'm not saying this is you Tim by the way It's kind of a close mind even when it comes to when you close-minded believers and close-minded skeptics or two things that I Don't sit well with me when it comes to perena I'm not saying this at all because I know you Tim I know that you're open minded to anything you see I'm an open minded skeptic, right? But I think is is you know, how do we know that it's not necessarily like a partial possession or a person's being manipulated by like a type 3 or type 2 and see that's what I think that if we had a case it'd be exceptionally handy to have brandy or cadon Or be along just to figure that out because I would have been at the kind of mentality You are Tim that it's been demonic in nature. However, there's been enough documented cases with the I'm not talking to my mic I accuse all you guys of doing But there's enough to document a case of the pk or telekinesis that I'm not You have a you have an example of like a case a documented case of like it's for sure like a hundred percent Sure proven by science that it's telekinesis or no But what I'm saying is that and Lorraine Warren have got cases where they claim it I can't send you one that Well, I mean sending one one's great, but I want the listeners to hear that's why I'm asking right I'm saying that there's a lot of talk from other Investated groups that have run into it that lean towards the pk theory and pk and telekinesis are kind of inner you can use those What was that word they use? Oh, they had a psycho-tronic energy Yeah, psycho we're gonna make that work.

So the second energy there's a lot of psycho-tronic energy over here So there's two more there's I can't find the one that I'm looking for There's two more little quick things I want to just little you know the differences and then I'll kind of wrap it up and then we can talk about by the way We're gonna go PB's playhouse on this every time so it's a psycho-tronic person like all the y'all Yeah, so first as far as conversations, you know, you hear Just had to complete melt down of the brain So basically my notes say conversations between living and dead do not occur in polter guys cases because there's no one Dead to talk to so that's if we got into say a plover guys case to bring like a ghost meter pro and see what if any activity We got because if that three holds correct provided there's no other spirits in the home You shouldn't get any responses on a ghost meter pro in a polter guys case So that would be an interesting theory to try if we ever run across one right so just the last little thing I'm far an echo box or a spirit box anything like that I'm just gonna read you straight out of my notes cuz it'll make more sense than me trying to summarize it I'm demonic displays intelligence and intent the purpose is to demoralize terrifying and confuse human inhabitants activity escalates over time rather than it Removing suddenly and the way he described it And I'm sure a lot of you have heard this before but it's like putting a frog in a pot of cold water and turning the heat up slowly That's more demonic where polter guys kind of comes on bang and then as far as movements of objects And again, I'm just gonna read this If it's a demonic there will be a message in the configuration religious objects will be targeted items that demonstrate family ties or affection You know picture, you know family pictures or even awards for good These anything that is good or or strength and you will be destroyed where in Volter guys activity will just target on the the cause of the stress for the agent or the agent itself and basically again, he just said that it's really really really difficult most of the time to determine the two and There has to be a lot of questioning a lot of interviews a lot of you know trying to nail down What's the first the chicken or the ink kind of what I'm getting from this is you have to take a lot of research and look at the activity And what the activities focused on and what is going on? I think it that's kind of the overwhelming thing I'm getting here is that if you look at the focus of the activity what objects are being Moved I think that could well. I mean you can also well and then you're looking at from my standpoint here Pretty much everything you said like the revolves around polter guys activity could also be contributed by like an angry type Two that is not necessarily gonna react or do things the same way as type theory demonic spirit would it's just there's someone in The house that's pissed off at the daughter so they're gonna focus on all their energy on the daughter and not anybody else But but here's the thing is you still have to determine if it's coming from outside or inside even if it's a type 2 Just being a jerk. It's still going to be somewhat demonic in that The activity is causing stress not stress causing the activity Well, say I think that's just really hard to determine it is and so that's why you know He goes on for for several several lessons of how to interview people and how to you know Find you have to ask has there been any divorces recently or deaths or You know and then you have to go into medication and what kind of medication are people taking any other bit in the illnesses I mean, it's it's quite in depth.

This is not just to go in and do an investigation. You know the answers. It's It's very very detailed. I'm gonna do something unique with this episode that we've not done before I see an opportunity here.

I'm Actually gonna on the pod-wash website I'm gonna put a poll on our on the wisp page so go to the wisp page and look for a poll And I'm curious to see where our listeners falls So whether they fall on Tim's side of the fence to be on side of the fence or kind of stand in the middle of the fence like I If you agree with me and come on and let's guess what this is why you candy I'm just kidding. No, it's that I'm too cheap to buy no one candy. No and Tim I will agree with you to the extent of I think you know that the poltergeist case is going to be one in a million So that's kind of like that's kind of how I feel about like, you know and the other groups look at us and say Oh, yeah, you guys there's no way you're dealing with that many demonic cases And I would agree to the point where like the amity bill type stuff like that's gonna be that's gonna be very rare kind of Poltergeist activity if poltergeist activity actually exists So what I'm actually curious on is Brandi's point of view on this because she's been awful quiet I was about to say I'd kind of be curious to hear what's on and what right Yeah, you guys want to jump in and kind of and throw in with your thoughts or opinions on poltergeist activity whether it's you know actual telekinesis or if it's you know like kind of what I feel if it's an angry tattoo or a demonic presence or Yeah Like I like pie. Yes, I like candy Hey, you can't do it right there.

I feel candy though for me like if anybody seen the movie Carrie that would be kind of like a poltergeist activity where as in like the Movie the extra sets that's demonic activity obviously, but I'm kind of in the middle I haven't ever seen a poltergeist activity thing happen. I've only seen demonic things happen and only because I've seen demonic interviews before so It's kind of scary I've never actually had any poltergeist stuff happen before so I don't know I'm just kind of in the middle I built you know I can't say I don't believe but I can't say that I have no problem so Brandi's gonna join me on the feds Yeah, I'm in the middle see and like my thing is is kind of what she was just saying is I've never seen poltergeist activity And just the way I work is I'm skeptical of everything until I can be proven otherwise I used to not think that there was Well, you know, I've always been afraid of like demonic activity But I didn't think it occurred as much as it did and there's a lot of things in the paranormal world that I didn't believe until I actually started experiencing myself So I mean if I we actually come across a poltergeist case, you know, my opinion is gonna change on this like obviously We did that with the succubus where I would we did that episode and I'm just like they don't exist straight up simple They don't exist and then two months later, you know We actually kind of started dealing one with the case so I'm open to the possibility that it's there But I haven't personally seen it and see and I've kind of done the same thing with a lot of aspects of the paranormal like if you'd Ask me several years ago portals exist. I just nod my head smelt it You know, they said yeah, sure they do just to keep the piece it's I'm going Yeah, you're a quack in fact I remember the very very very first time I ever went to a 749 and said there's a portal in this room like you okay? Whatever you say But again, I've witnessed and seen enough evidence of portals now that I and I haven't seen anything either scripturally or in any Other way that would leave me believe they don't exist that I'm okay I believe portals exist now.

So what about what about you down where you kind of sit with all I've seen a lot of buffalo I've never seen a white buffalo what Don's saying is he doesn't want to sleep on the couch tonight No, I believe that white buff lows exist. I mean I mean I got called tonight. Can you hear me coming up? I think that they're rare.

I think that it's a rare activity just as I think a true blown-on Level four demonic possession is really quite rare also. Okay. I hope I don't see one of them either Yeah, I sure don't want to say okay, but with the polar guys I I think there's enough evidence out in the in the paranormal community that says that it exists I don't see spirits. I'm I'm pretty anti You know occasionally we have to send him into the other room because he can intimidate spirits Okay, but I do but I do believe that it happens And I do believe in the paranormal activity and paranormal things and so where I am on the polter guys I think there's enough evidence in the paranormal community that says that it's out there now whether we're gonna see it or not or whether Paranormal the polter guys exit activity happens and then there's also demonic activity involved with that also that the the Polter guys may be there and the activity starts and then it's an opening for the demonic much like you know an activity like playing with a Ouija board can open up a portal and available I think that that may be there the same kind of thing that there's an actor an action that's happening that then opens a door for Other things to happen and so at that point it's very hard to tell the difference I must say that that is the most dawn has ever said in any episode combined But it was awesome and it was awesome.

You need to talk more silent on and by the way Just so everybody knows kind of what silent dawn's role is in the group is when we go to an investigation I consider dawn to be our suitor kind of what his job is whether he knows it or not But I've figured out what his job is he usually goes into the home with us and he kind of sits in the back I mean he investigates with us a lot of times He will pull the family aside and he translates to the family what it is We are doing explains to them how things work while everybody investigates and kind of keeps them I don't want to use work for Alex sounds like work. No, sugar into a room He informed so that they know what's going on. That's probably the best way to put it He keeps them informed while we do what we do well I mean he doesn't know way that he's a squirrel It kind of eases their their minds a little bit to where they're not as worried or afraid of what's going on at the house at the time Now one thing to remember about Don and his views on the poltergeist is as I'm taking this class He's trying to watch you know about the star glactica. I mean they're not even bad every four seconds listen to this And so he's heard a lot of the lessons I've read them to him So he's had he knows a lot of some of the background information that I didn't necessarily read on I will even pause I like the white buffalo now.

That's actually an ex-lip analogy Because I mean that's the same thing as an amity bill case Like kim said we get a lot of flak from some of the criminal community that well There's not as much demonic stuff you guys run into yeah, there is most of it's incredibly low level But it's not a demonic mama state right? It's interesting because it's helpful when you have something like brandy identify even without brandy We've kind of we recognize the pattern we see the pattern We know what the pattern is it's not hard to pick it out after you've had enough experience at it But again, they're not all amity bill. They're not all the smurled case. They're not all Filled and yeah, the end filled whore Those are not See any cases like those are rare even in the demonic and I think that the poltergeist are even gonna be more rare than those Right, so do you have anything else you want to talk about with poltergeist again?

I'm done Well, let me ask you Tim do we continue this episode with the poltergeist stuff or should we wrap that into the second episode? We can do it in the next episode We're at 50 minutes right now, so we're coming up pretty close to me and down so I think we want to try to wrap the movie into like 10 minutes or make this along up I don't want to squish it to do either. We're making this a long episode or we're doing this maybe a three part Especially since we're gonna do the reading this is gonna push this past an hour So I think we'll probably ask that quick by the way our contest is still out when did we decide we're ending that June 24th That way I have about two weeks to come and notify the winner now I did mention on the Facebook page that if you win you are responsible for your own travel expenses We will just pay your entry fee into the venue We don't have that kind of money to fly someone out from the state Belgium So I mean if the winner is from out of state or out of the country We might try to find another way to compensate you with a prize besides an investigation But yeah, you're responsible for your travel expenses We just pay the entry into the venue. We'll buy you a t-shirt take the picture with it and send you the picture Should be expensive outside the country You can use flat right marks.

Yeah, we can get a shirt No, I should add real quick though. How many do we have a lot of entries? No, and that's just it Is you only something the one well, I can say that's it. So right now We've got one so that right now is our current winner, and it's a pretty good story But it's eight pages long so there's there's a chance that if you write a shorter story That's better than this one you'll win yeah, so you're odds are pretty good to get the free investigation So but you can't get it unless you actually enter and it's interesting because usually we get quite a few entries on a lot of our Contest but this one's been kind of a slim pickens Well, I think that's a thing It's a scary story.

Yeah, I think some people are thinking it's a lot of works it down in a and write a story But again, it doesn't have to be original. Don't we say that it can be decided to be right? Can be fictional or it can be an nonfiction doesn't have to be a true story It's just a ghost story whether they have to have written it so they can't they can't send a salons lot say I can't Play this story So yeah, so it has to be their original work, but it can be fiction or nonfiction Has to be like two or three pages long so not too long and if you're not you know a writer don't worry about it Well, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Yeah, it's a story is a story It's to be honest with you if worst comes to worst tassels pretty good a thing It's like which I may go in and fix the grammar well, I know there's there's plenty of you out there that I've had send Is an audio story. Yeah, because I am audio listening. Go ahead. I'll eat transcribe it Yeah, just record your story and send us an audio file You can do that too.

Yeah, but right now you're odd the winning are pretty good because out of all our contests This has been one that's had the first response the one listener who entered is like whoo-hoo Yeah, he's like no no So real quick, do you want to cover what the prize is so that people actually have some? Yes, so the prize will be here You will have the option to join us on either our fear-factoring investigation which will be happening in July or our Benson-Grist mill investigation which will be a combination of a barbecue slash investigation Pick that one you will yeah, that's probably gonna be the more fun They'll be food you'll be able to choose one of those investigations to join us on as well as we will have Depending on the story if it's like scary funny or whatever We'll probably have one of the pod bash hosts from one of the other shows or if not one of us We will read your story on air and then we will also have our friend Paul over at paranormal veracity magazine We'll publish your story in the magazine as well. You know, I'm gonna sweeten the pot So I do a throw a k2 meter sound that we'll just hang on to and give to him you're gonna rub it on your bald head It's gonna give us pot brownies rub it on something Hi officer, do you got anything out of evidence for me? Here's what I'm gonna do is we can pop if we get at least 10 entries You can come to both investigations and we will have you here at our studio to record an episode of the podcast with us They can read their story on the air, but we have to get at least 10 entries So nine more to go So 10 entries and you can come to both investigations You can be a guest of the podcast and all the other stuff that Tim mentioned So this is a pretty good little contest as Tim mentioned However, you're responsible for getting your own but here the studio or you're getting your own butt to the investigations Well, the see the studio thing is not that big of an issue if they're out of town or state you can skip in Yeah, we can skip in definitely have you on the episode.

That's not a big deal. It's getting to the venues That's where you have to be. Yeah, we can't afford that So you have to eat your own self-dovignor. We have a poll of fun.

Uh, and so if we get 10 entries We'll do that and I'll even make it a little sweeter. And if we get 20 plus entries We will also buy you a shirt and maybe a piece of equipment as well. Yeah, like a kt or something So this is a pretty sweet deal, but we need the entries we want the entries and How if we get 30 maybe we can get kid in a throw in a three half hour reading? Yeah, we could so we're gonna do every contest ever in this one.

Yeah, well, we say some of these cool things Well, that's the thing is I don't expect us to actually get 30 entries. Yeah, we're just trying to work trying to Watch our emails blow up tomorrow. Yeah Tomorrow being Thursday. They need something to do.

All right, you know, so we're gonna crash for every letter from our host All right, so everybody. Thank you for listening. We will be back with part two and possibly part three depending on how long it takes us to do Well, that's not bad. That's another Six weeks of episodes where we will talk about the movie poll for guys which there's some interesting stuff that I think is accurate There's some stuff that is way out there like Psycho kinetic no it was a psycho tropic psycho Psychotronic I'm gonna start using that word.

I'm gonna quit using emf. It picks up psychotronic energy sounds like you know Music 1980s like an EDM concert Psychotronic So I've got a great idea for a future episode So we're talking about you know the movies stuff and whatnot and I kind of threw this out there to you guys earlier But no one said anything But somewhere down the road later in the air maybe towards Halloween I would love to do a sit down and watch the chandelier Why with changa and possibly smunarion Kenny as well and do kind of like a breakdown of that movie I'm actually there you mentioned that and I actually have been working through the wheels of that in my mind I think that's a fantastic idea. I know if I remember correctly That's been a fan favorite of those guys for quite some time. It has and it's a strangely slow but terrifying movie I should not see it.

I have seen it. We're not talking about the Angelina Jolie changer like the original with the store She's got yeah, it's buying and it is boring, but it's terrifying boring as odd as that sounds she doesn't like it No, she didn't like carnival souls either. No, we've watched we got down to like what the hell was this? I've seen a few horror movies like that in my day where I just kind of wonder why I spent money to rent it All right Well, hey, thank you everybody have a good night You can send those entries to castle at wisps.org or you can send them to contact it with work I will be forting those on to everybody else.

Hopefully you guys enjoyed the story at the beginning of this episode If you did let me know we can probably even do some more of that in future episodes I can read it in my British accent. Yeah, and to be honest with you We will if you guys want us to do that you can pick stories we will choose stories and we will have whoever read it I'll just say you are aware that this this is a good story is coming from Childhood favorite of mine that was written I believe in the 80s as well This is called scary stories three more tells to chill your bones from the scary stories to tell the dark series and this particular story That is at the beginning of the episode was gonna be weird because we're talking about it right now Yeah, you know what I said the episode now and all we'll just record an intro for this How's that sounds good? I have a good night everybody peace out butterflies You're listening to the wisps was that you investigative studies for paranormal science They're grown as adults that like to sit in the dark and talk to each other, but they all love their moms So that should account for something