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POV: Why Is DHS Sending Undercover Agents Into Churches? | Brian Kaylor

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The Department of Homeland Security sent undercover agents into churches to monitor anti-ICE activists. In at least one case, an agent entered a Baptist church that was already protected by a federal court order restricting certain DHS activity on the property.Brian Kaylor, president and editor-in-chief of Word&Way, joins us to walk through the court documents behind his reporting. We discuss DHS surveillance at at least five churches in Minnesota and Michigan, agents secretly recording meetings, collecting license plate information, and monitoring people who were not themselves targets of the investigation.The conversation also gets into the difference between judicial and administrative warrants, First Amendment protections for houses of worship, government surveillance of religious communities after 9/11 and during the Reagan era, and what Kaylor calls the “imperial boomerang” - surveillance powers created for one purpose eventually being used elsewhere.Subscribe: https://publicwitness.wordandway.orgGUEST BIOBrian Kaylor is president and editor-in-chief of Word&Way and leads its newsletter, A Public Witness, which covers religion, politics, and culture. He is a Baptist minister with a Ph.D. in political communication and the author or co-author of seven books on religion and politics. His recent reporting has examined Department of Homeland Security surveillance of churches and religious liberty questions surrounding immigration enforcement.

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