Pre Death Experiences

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There's like four of them, but you know, we still love them. All four of you. There might be a few. So tell us a little bit about you, Doc.

I am actually an emergency physician. Um, lots of homes. I have been interested in the paranormal for a long time. I'm kind of an open-minded skeptic.

I say we love the open-minded skeptics. They're our favorites. They're our favorites. There's nothing worse than the person that thinks every creek and moan is a demon.

Yeah, I enjoy. I've been on several ghost hunts. I've been on a few residential investigations and I find them fascinating. And the people are fascinating too.

The people are always fascinating. We're all amazing. And then our next one is Chris. Now Chris is interesting because, well, he's interesting.

He's awesome. I've known Chris forever, but we have had to zoom him in. So I'm looking at him on a screen and this is awesome. I love technology because I am looking at Chris.

He's got the headphones on. He's got the microphone, but he's in a different city, but he sounds amazing. So Chris, do you want to tell us a little bit about yourself? Yeah, I'm Chris.

Let's see what's dreaming, depending on why I've kind of been around it. Ever since I was a little kid, it's always kind of been drawn to me. So I've got a young age, you should see operations. I've seen full-body operations as a teenager and I've just done a witchcraft for quite a while now, about 17 years.

And then I've done a few of your residential hunt. So then a few of your special cases. Yeah, he's one that we will reference to a lot. For example, we had a case residential where there was a spirit that was harassing a child.

And so I called Chris and said, what do I do with this particular one? And there were some other circumstances around it too. And he said, put a pod a daisy in the room. And I said, all right.

And that's one of those little tidbits that you know, you get a little tidbit of information. It just sticks forever. That's one that's stuck forever. So anyway, we are super excited for you guys to be here.

So what we are going to be talking about today is deathbed phenomena. And if you remember, it wasn't too long ago we talked about near death experiences. Near death experiences. And this is different, similar-ish but different.

So this isn't with the near death experiences. People would clinically be dead. They would experience something. And you can argue it can be argued either way, that it's afterlife experiences, paranormal the spirit world.

You can argue that it's simply brain function and reliving embedded memories. And you can argue either way. But that's not what we're talking about today. What we're going to talk about is what people do, the phenomena they do, the things that they say before they die, and these people stay dead.

And I don't mean for that to sound cold in callus. They're dead and they stay dead. It's not one of those Princess Bride moments where they're nearly dead. We'll talk about a few of those.

This one is an all the way dead. And he's had a few of those too. I get a little of both. That is what I do.

So I found this one to be very, very interesting. I find this very interesting. Even as you know, with Lurch, he was a mortician for quite a few years and just hearing some of the stories that he has to tell. And with him, they're dead dead.

They're actually dead and not coming back kind of dead when you're embalmed. And some of those are fascinating. Yeah. After they're embalmed, they're certainly dead.

They're not coming back. I can guarantee that. But no, it's something that I did for 10 years. And during that time, I had lots of discussions with family members talking about their loved ones.

And it's something that happens quite a bit. I'm more of a religious type myself. And I've had discussions with people that are agnostic and atheist about different experiences that have occurred. But a lot of times, people see other members of their families that have already passed on, having conversations with loved ones that are already deceased and other family members that are in the room with them.

And there's a moment of libidity where they kind of come to a little bit and they start having discussions with other people that can't be seen in the room, perhaps by them, only. And it happens quite a bit. My stepdad, actually, he passed away about a year and a half ago. And he told my mom about people that would come visit him shortly before he died as well.

But it's pretty common occurrence. And it's interesting because in the research that I did, you just hear the same, I don't want to say the same stories because everyone's stories is a little different, but you hear the same sequences, the same phenomena over and over and over again. And so it kind of tells you there's something to this. And again, it can be argued that it's a chemical, it's a process of the body breaking down or you could say it's paranormal.

Yeah, that's something that I've talked about with other people that aren't religious. And they've had really good counter discussions as well about endorphins or not necessarily endorphins, but just chemicals being released by the brain that cause hallucinations, auditory visual hallucinations. Yeah, there's all kinds of explanations. You can write it out scientifically or you can write it off by faith.

And it's all just a matter of perspective. Right. I tend to take a spiritual approach. I believe in an afterlife.

I think it's absolutely something that goes on in our next phase of life. One of the gals I talked to, her name is Martha Attkin. I didn't talk to her. I didn't call her up on the phone and have a chat with her.

I watched it. She's dead. Martha's dead. She did a attend talk.

But she worked with, and I'm not sure I was actually going to look this up and I didn't have a chance to. But she's either a doctor or a director at a retirement home or a hospice center. What she said was really interesting. She says that with the modern hospice centers and people going into hospice and things like that, we've taken death out of the home.

Because in the old days, you'd get old and you'd die at home surrounded by your family. So back in the old days, family was more accustomed to seeing all these phenomenon, the stories and the reaching out and all the things that we'll get into here in a minute. But it scares people now because they don't see it to the only people that really see it or the nurses. And it's interesting.

I'll read your couple quotes later on. I'm sure it's not really aware of it and Doc can let us know a little bit. And I'm sure it's not all about nurses. I will say having worked in the hospital, working in the hospital, I would much prefer to die at home.

And that's something that actually does happen more frequently. A lot of people do get put into nursing homes. But a lot of people, I mean from my experience, a lot of people do have full care hospice nurses that come to their home. My stepdad, he had a hospital bed set up in his downstairs room and they had hospice nurses come in and check on them periodically.

But a lot of people don't feel comfortable with it. That's something that's unique about the United States is that we kind of put everything behind that black curtain. You don't want to see it. Death is ugly.

It's not pleasant. It's not pretty. And I think a lot of people don't want to be exposed to the unpleasantries. You go to other countries and they kind of celebrate death.

They have parades in the streets and carry their casket over their heads and have all kinds of celebrations and stuff. But here in the United States, we're kind of like the female director. We were kind of like the plumbers that came to fix the overflowing toilet in the middle of the night. You walk in, you're very respectful, very somber.

And you take the body out discreetly, it's covered in a blanket. You put it into a car that has tinted windows. There's no advertising. And it's just it's very, I think a lot of people just don't want to be exposed to the unpleasantries.

Let me add to that. I mean, there's a lot of times, even with patients that come to the hospital, they do not resuscitate patients, do not intubate patients, no CPR on hospice, expect it to die at home. And family members panic. And what they do is they call 911 and they put this person in an ambulance who does not want to die at the hospital.

They come anyway because the family is afraid of death. And they'll ask me, well, I can't get them to eat. I can't get them to drink. It's normal.

Yeah, they're constantly sleeping. What's wrong with them? And my answer is they are dying. Yeah, they want to go and if you need to let them go too.

Right. One other, his name is Dr. Christopher Kin. And he said that in medical school, and again, you know, Doc can give us some of actual doctor insight on this.

But he said at medical school, and you know, doctors in general, you're trying to defy death. You're trying to keep people alive. You're trying to give them a better quality of life. And he says, and when he says the doctor's mentality is defy or deny.

Right. That's probably true. One thing that I've learned over time is that there is a huge difference between belonging to someone's life and delaying someone's death. Once the quality isn't longer there, it's I think a lot easier for me to deal with this idea that we're marching down a path that it takes us all.

We're all going to die. Right. And I don't remember which two of these, I've read a whole bunch of stuff and then I lost my notes until I had to do different research. That's pretty awesome.

And then in about a half hour I'll find the old notes. You know, that's how it works. But so one of the things that both of these Dr. Kin and Martha Atkins both said was that learning about it and knowing when it happens kind of takes that fear away.

And so it's not a bad thing. You know, when it's time for people to go, it's time for people to go. So after this is from Martha Atkins, she said that there's actually been about 600 years of research. And I don't know if people have been researching this over 600 years or if they've just taken information from the last 600 years.

But either way, 600 years of research, there's several things I say to watch for. One is tracking things under their eyelids. She said specifically her mother was in the process of being towards the end of her life. And she watched her mom, her eyelids, her eye, track something under her eyelid.

And she said, Mom, who are you seeing? And her mother told her. I'm seeing this person in that person. And Martha said, do you see my brother who had died about 13 years previously.

She said, oh, yeah, he's just sitting over here in this chair for the last couple of days. You haven't seen him. And Martha's like, no. Another really common thing is reaching for things.

You'll hear this over and over and over again. Just reaching for the sky. Yes, they did. Yep.

Another thing was they'll be met by friends or family members. They'll talk about not only family, but a rugby team. My rugby team came. Or the neighbors came.

My good friend from college came. There was a man that they talk about who was so afraid of dying for whatever reason they didn't give in to why he was afraid of it. But he was so terrified. And part of it was he didn't want to meet up with his family.

So there must have been some sort of reviews. They had been abusive. His family had been abusive to him when he was a child. Right.

And so because of that, his family wasn't there. But there was a little seven-year-old boy that would come and sit with this man. There was an older man like in his 90s, wasn't he? Yeah.

And his wife said that she just kind of ran with it. Because she knew. And she was a little bit more informed and wasn't afraid like some people are. And she said, I just ran with it.

And she said this little seven-year-old boy, according to my husband, was there for about two weeks. And for her, she said it was just very comforting knowing that they were comfortable. You know, whether it's real, whether it's embedded memories, whether it's hallucinations, I think it brings comfort to not only the families, knowing that your loved one is passing comfortably, but it brings comfort to them as well. I was just going to say too that's probably why the seven-year-old boy showed up.

Because he feared having to face his family. And that might have been just like a messenger to help come from him in his final days. Right. And so, the real thing, and you know, the almighty, whoever you may think that is, is not going to send someone that you dread tonight because I think that our higher power wants us to be happy and wants things to be comfortable and the transition to go smoothly.

And so he's not going to send down people that are going to make you upset. So. Yeah. One of the stories that I liked was the one about the father that had the little three-year-old boy that was dying of cancer.

Do you remember that one? Yes. And he said, Daddy, I've got to go. I've got to go get on the train.

Right. And that's one of the things is they use certain words that talk about leaving the use of trains. I've got to go. Where are my shoes?

Where are my shoes? I need my purse. And you know, these could even be people that have been bedbound for years and years and years, but they just will use words that, you know, metaphors of leaving, of going is very, very common. Suddenly, angels and religious entities that are important to them, whether it's Buddha, whether it's God, you know, whether it's Allah, whether it's Mary, you know, certain saints, whatever, whatever religious icon was important to that person, they will start talking about that religious icon a lot.

And they said that even sometimes they'll start talking about landscapes and music as though they're seeing something that you're not seeing. And Chris is our resident witch. I'm just curious to hear your take on this in terms of, you know, getting close to death, seeing entities, religious figures, et cetera. You know, in pain is over witchcraft and all that.

Death is not as scary as it seems to be in, you know, other religions, especially like Christianity, like I know a lot of people raised, oh yes, and Catholic, you are just so scared to die, which is funny. I don't look at death as something terrifying. I think in order for you to live is to die. Like if you're not living, what's the point?

You know, we've, especially, you know, in my beliefs, we have multiple different aspects of things, but we, one of the things that comes out of the metal ants, which is kind of like the Christian head. You know, there's also multiple different degrees of versions of hell. But yeah, I mean, there's definitely an aspect that death is a good thing, it's going for one life to another life. But we also, you know, there's a broad aspect view that every incarnation, these all who live is, you've lived a life before and you had similar experience, which causes you to be the obvious.

And you know, throughout time, you would go back until you would learn, learn that you don't think about it. So that's, you know, just death itself is more of a celebration than a fear in that aspect of things. So, you know, it's kind of like, you know, you like Jack Leonard's on silent. It brings your loved ones back to your home.

So it's just, it's interesting, especially some things that I did read on this subject, people said, like, you know, how you said hallucinist hallucinations, especially with children dying in some of them, say, they see an angel, well, if it's a hallucinization, sorry, my, can't speak, it was just hard. Hey, us too. Your typical image of an angel has wings, right? These angelic wings.

But never once has anybody described these angels or these beings with angelic wings. So it makes you wonder if it is a hallucination based off of the images that we are raised with. Right. So it's interesting.

You just kind of stayed on that kid's thread. They said that kids will have kid-friendly experiences. Experiencing experiences. And there's one little boy that they talked about and specifically I think he was about seven years old and he was in a children's hospital.

And the nurse said that he kept complaining about the noises in the corner. And she said, what noises in the corner? And, you know, what's there? And he says, well, there's three kids over there.

And she said, well, you know, who are they? And he named them off and they were three children who had been there previously, like, when he first got to the hospital in that room. And they had, you know, one by one passed away before him. And there's no way he would have known about them.

And he called them by name. And they called them by name. And then they've also said that this kind of a phenomenon doesn't happen to just one specific type of person that happens across all ages, all religions, all races. It happens to blind people.

It happens to deaf people. It happens to dumb people. I mean, and by dumb, you can't speak. Not like idiots.

It probably happens to dumb people. Exactly. You know, dumb people, smart people. It's just, you know, really across the board.

So here's an interesting story I found. There's a man. And he was kind of in his last stages of life. I think he was suffering from an illness.

And so I don't know that death was necessarily imminent because his wife said he was still talking lucidly. He was actually playing seducos, you know, a couple times a week. So it wasn't like he was on death's door at any second per se. And you know, but it was coming.

And so his wife asked him if he had ever seen anybody. And he says, yeah, he says, there's a soldier that comes and sits by my bed at night. And kind of keeps him company. And then he says that there was a dog that would sit by his feet.

And when he described the dog, it was a dog that they had early on in their marriage. And they were probably in their 60s or 70s at this point. And so the dog that they hadn't had for quite some time. I think that's one of the things I'm looking forward to most about tying is seeing all the dogs that I had.

I had some good dogs and I missed them. And their animals are very loyal. So all dogs go to heaven. All dogs go to heaven.

They do see the movies are right. There's documentaries. The documentary. I don't do sad movies.

If my wife is not greeting me, I would like my dog to. So again, they say they hear and see things that you can't. They reach for things. They will look through you.

They'll talk in metaphors about moving, leaving, you know, looking for their shoes, going to a different level. And they'll even say very specific things. It's interesting because nurses said that they will tell a doctor, oh, he's going to die really soon and the doctor says why and they'll say because of the signs. And in fact, this doctor, Ken that we talked about earlier, was telling a nurse one day.

And he eventually moved in and was working in a hospital or a clinic or something. And then he moved to a hospital center later in his medical career. And he told this nurse, you know, what this patient you need to do, XYZ. And she said, no, he's dying.

And he said, why? How do you know that? And he said, well, he's starting to talk to his deceased family. And the doctor said, Dr.

Ken said, well, I don't remember that class in medical school. And she said, you missed a lot of classes in medical school. I mean, she kind of gave him the business because he hadn't really worked in that setting. Yeah, it's a definite phenomenon.

I'm working in emergency medicine. I generally see people die quickly. Not usually this prolonged hospice, long term chronic illness type stuff. But I will say family will report all the time when they bring people in.

They're starting to talk to people that no one else can see. You know, just kind of goes along with people dying. This is a very common phenomenon we see that's pervasive throughout all cultures, I believe. So there's another story about Butch.

He was 94 years old. So, you know, when he get to be that age, you can go any minute. And he had congestive heart failure and he elected for hospice. And he actually did hospice at home.

So he was at home. And his daughter said he started having the visions and started telling her things. And she was actually quite a student, I think. I don't know if she had already knew stuff or if she just was kind of naturally this way.

But he, in his day, was actually quite a famous rugby player in a different country. And he said that his rugby team, all of his buddies would come and visit him on his long ladders. And he'd get mad because they'd leave. And when they left, they'd leave shorter ladders and he couldn't climb up as high as he needed to be to get to him.

He would also tell her that he was really mad one day because he packed a suitcase and he was all ready to go when they came. But they left without him. And so she kind of knew, you know, okay, it's coming. And the doctor said a lot of times when this happens, sometimes the doctor will medicate and I hate saying this because I don't want to think I'm slamming on him.

I'm just telling him what a different doctor said. But he said sometimes they'll medicate them because of these hallucinations. But it's just the process they go through. So the last thing that Butch did was just before he died, he had, and this was a common metaphor of completing something, he had a bunch of mechanical pieces that he didn't want lost.

And he said, you know, she says, what are you doing? And he held out his hand and he says, I've got these pieces and I don't want them lost. And so she says, okay, well hang on. And she went and got a baggy.

She didn't have to do that. There was no pieces. His hand was just, you know, to now. Take those pieces.

And what, and this was Martha Atkins. And she said, this lady, you know, could have just ignored it blown off. But she said, if you do that, you can really miss an opportunity to connect with your loved ones, especially right before they die. And you know, it makes the person that's dying a little bit better because they get to fulfill that completion of whatever thing they're trying to do.

And so, you know, if you've got someone in your home that's going through this process, watch for those little things because those are some really cool ways to connect for that last time or two. Yeah. And even if you don't believe it, if it's not doing any harm, just roll with it. Right.

It'll bring comfort. It'll bring peace. Instead of creating more confusion, because when you try to tell somebody what you're doing, there's no pieces in your hand. It's only going to worsen the delirium, the confusion, whatever you want to call it.

And by giving them that sense of validation, yes, I'll take these pieces. Your mission is done, whatever needs to be said there. I think you can bring some peace and comfort and an opportunity like you said to connect. Right.

So one of the things too is, this is Martha Atkins. She was funny. If you look her up, if you want to watch this little talk, it wasn't very long. It was 12 minutes I think.

And she was funny. You know, she said one of the things that happens to her when people know what she does, you know, studies, death phenomena. She says, you know, usually people do one of two things. She says the first one is they'll say, we're going to go over there and get a drink and then they never come back.

She says, the other thing, and she said this happened even just today is they'll pull me aside and they'll say something along the lines of, I want to tell you someone the story. But I don't, they're telling anybody because I'm afraid that they're going to think I'm crazy. And that resonated with me because I cannot tell you how many times people have called me and said, you know, so-and-so gave me your number and I mean they will beat around the bush on the phone for about 10 minutes, hemming in mind for, you know, to come to a residential. And I finally, probably a dozen times in the last two or three years I've had to say, okay, I will leave you.

You know, I, we go on residential investigations, you know, several times a month. Just tell me what's happening because people get so afraid of being labeled as crazy or, you know, just out there. So you know, and she told people in her audience that this was in San Antonio and she said, how many people here have dealt with a loved one or a friend who have gone through this phenomenon and had some sort of the story to share with others? And they didn't show the audience, but my guess is half the people probably raised their hand, half to a quarter.

And she looked at them and she said, I want you in the next 48 hours to tell your story to someone. And her big push was, you know, not to have people be afraid of dying. It's a natural part of life. It's going to happen to all of us whether we like it or not.

So one of the things too that I was thinking about that happens pretty regularly is when people are waiting to pass away and they have family members sitting there with them. I used to hear it so many times people would be like, you know, I just got up. I left the room to go get a soda down the hall and I came back and mom was gone. And you know, that happens so frequently where I think the person that's that's about to pass, maybe they feel more comfortable when there's no one physical in the room.

I don't know what it is, but I've heard that same situation being shared many times with people saying, you know, I was sitting there for days, I slept in the room, I wanted to be there when they passed away and I got up and I left the room for five minutes and came back and they were gone. It's almost like that. Will to live is there as long as your family members are present. Exactly.

When they step away, it almost gives that person the opportunity to just the permission to go. Exactly. Like they didn't want to feel the burden to hold on and they realize that they're finally, you know, by themselves and they can just quietly slip away. Which is the exact opposite to how we feel as friends and family.

I want to be there for them. And there are some people that are, I don't want to die alone and they want somebody who's there with them. My father was like that and my brother was actually there. We got the call.

It was about two in the morning. Yeah. And the other thing that I wanted to do is that we shouldn't expect to be present when these people pass away because they will most likely pass in your absence. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. But many of them want you to be there, not necessarily at the moment of death, but be there with them through the doors. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

But like I said, sometimes they slip out when you've slipped out. My grandfather, for example, he'd had a surgery and had been doing quite well and was actually being ready to be checked out and a friend of the family was in visiting with him and she stepped out of the room and came back in and he was gone. Yeah, it's just that moment to finally pass away because they don't feel like they're being watched, being supervised. It's like when you're hosting friends and family and you're ready for them to go.

Yeah. We don't want to say anything. We're trying to hang on for a while and you're like, all right, can y'all get out of my house, please? Yeah.

And then they finally go and you're like, yes. But yeah. Isn't there a far side where they're like, we have to think death? I've seen you have advantage.

I've got one last story that they shared and there was a lady and I believe she was at home and you know, elderly, you know, expected today, you know, because of some health issues and it was just a matter of when, not if, which I guess is all of us quite honestly, but hers was a little more imminent than hopefully mine is. And her daughter saw her one day cradling a baby and they said, Mom, who you're cradling, who you got there? And they said, oh, it's my baby. His name is Danny.

And everybody, you know, Danny, no one knew who it was. They just said, oh, Mom's gone crazy. And no one understood it. But their first child, the oldest child who lived out of state came in because they're like, you know, Mom's only got, you know, few days left so you better get here.

So she got there and they said she keeps cradling this baby and calling it Danny. And the oldest child was the only one that remembered that the mom had had a baby before. So Danny was actually her first child and it just was so painful to her that she lost this baby that she didn't tell anybody about it. And so the only person that knew about it was the oldest child that I did.

I think it was a sister actually that came in her sister. Oh, the mother sister. That was another sister. Okay.

I kind of suck at telling stories. No, you're doing fine. Somebody knew about Danny and told the rest of the family that she'd actually have this first baby. And so, you know, it's almost as though at that moment of death, all of your earthly pains and issues are one you forget about most of them, but you've got family and friends and you just have these spiritually healing moments so that when you pass, you do so just comfortably as the whole, the point of everything that I researched.

Okay. So I got a little tangent, I've never mentioned the far side, just briefly. And there's a Gary Larson, far side cartoon about a stegosaurus that thumped, thrag, and he was a cayman, you know, seal cayman. And the paleontologist and people who dinosaurs have actually named the tail of the stegosaurus a stegosaurus.

Yeah. Because that's what you'll say. It doesn't have a name before that. It's the Thagamaizer.

I was actually watching a YouTube video the other day and they talk about the Thagamaizer on the steering. It's just like a last little segment of the tail for one particular species of dinosaur. Yeah. And just like that, we're no longer talking about deathbeds.

Welcome back to the entire gower. Thag made the deathbed. All right. I'll tell you what, when it comes to dying, back on top of my topic, you know, I got done with a pretty rough day, taking care of COVID patients the other day, I got showered off, hopped in bed and just kind of melted into my mattress.

And I looked over at my wife and I said, I'll bet this is what dying feels like. And she probably thought I was crazy. But my point was, you know, you go through life, it's supposed to be a struggle. It's difficult.

And it only gets harder as you get older. And I can only imagine at that moment where everything is done and you're willing to just release and let go is probably the most incredible experience ever. Well, yeah, I mean, I don't want to finish. I use like a baseball analogy, you know, hitting a home run and running around the bases with a clean jersey on.

I want to be covered in dirt and sliding a home plate with, you know, the catcher trying to block me is the balls coming in, you know, over my head. It's like I want to experience life and really just feel like my body's worn out when it's time to go. Right. Yep.

Me too. I'm not afraid of death. She's got a lot of living left to do. Exactly.

And I actually read a lot of patients who are scared of death on that deathbed when they see somebody, it seems like the pain is gone and they're actually excited. They want to go with these people. They're no longer scared. Yeah.

And I think that's the big segue into Steve Jobs last word. He had six words where his last word says it. Does anyone here know what those are? Oh, wow.

He says, oh, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Three times.

And I thought, interesting. Well, I kind of like to think that when we do die that like the secrets and the mysteries of the universe are going to be revealed to us. Like even though the stuff that we don't really have the comprehension to understand, we don't really have the brain capacity to fully understand, you know, like I'm really interested in like science and the universe and just things that are out there, physics and stuff that I can't even comprehend right now. And I like to think that when I pass that I'll be able to understand that stuff, it'll make sense.

And you know, the secrets of life, the mysteries of life, of you know, life in the universe and everything that we don't know right now, I think all of that will be revealed to us. And it'll be kind of cool to look behind the curtain and see the wizard there. I'm interested, but I want a few more years here first though. Good idea.

About 33 years under. All right. So our paranormal bucket list, what have you got for us on the paranormal bucket list? Well, something that I was thinking about lately was, you know, on the history channel, there's a lot of talk about the Skywalker ranch to have a new series about the Skywalker ranch that a lot of friends have mentioned.

They've got a lot of buzz about it. For the longest time, I always thought Skywalker ranch was in the northwestern part of the state out liking the desert out by like Twillow or somewhere out in the west desert. And I found out recently it's actually the one of mountains, the one of basin. And when I was a kid, I used to go backpacking with my dad all the time to the, you want to basin.

There's a lake we'd go to and it would take about two days to hike in 20 miles one way and we'd spend about five or six days there and then camp out. And I remember some really great memories camping and waking up in the middle of the night and seeing just the stars so clearly and everything. But Skywalker ranch I think would be a cool place to go and visit. They've had all kinds of phenomenon, not just with paranormal, with ghosts and spirits, but also with cattle medellations, chubacabra I guess you'd call it.

I don't know if it's aliens. They've had mysterious visitors, stuff like that. I'm fascinated by more than just the paranormal of ghost investigations. When I was a kid I used to read books about like Sasquatch and UFOs and I think stuff like that is fascinating to me.

Alien abductions, what people experience when they've been abducted by aliens. And I think Skylock Ranch is kind of like a hotspot for a lot of that activity. As I mentioned you know it is in the U.N. of Basin.

My dad when he was young, he was probably in his mid-20s, he hiked up there by himself. And usually you know this is a trip that we would make as my two older brothers and myself, my dad. But as before he got married and he decided he'd want to go backpacking and go camping, go to the lake we always go to. And he got about half way up there and there's a spot where we'd always camp and he decided that one night when he was by himself to pull his sling bag out from underneath the tent and to just sleep under these stars.

And as he was laying there about way to fall asleep, there was a light in the sky, a bright light in the sky. And it was almost like doing a grid pattern sweep where the light would come on and it would light up a certain part of the land and then turn off and then move and then light up another neighboring area of land, turn off and move and there was no sound. And just kind of did the sweeping grid-like pattern. And to the state he has no idea what it is.

But I think with the Skylock Ranch being in that area it seems to tie in with that sort of phenomenon. I've never personally seen any UFOs I would love to. I saw one. And yeah, so a Skylock Ranch I think would be kind of cool.

Check it out. I would love to do an overnight investigation there to just be able to camp out and have several different recorders set up all around the place, have cameras, a hundred cameras I think would be cool where you could, if there was any kind of movement it would be able to capture still photographs and have those. I mean, it's hard to get onto the property. That's one thing.

Yeah, I think you will let people on but I think you've got you out pretty good. You can't just meet anybody that goes there. I'm out to say you've got the namesake skinwalker too. Exactly.

Don't worry about that as well. Exactly. Exactly. So that's actually as we come into our new year.

Okay, so we are coming to the end of 2020 and I think that it's pretty fair to say that the entire world is going to take a big deep sigh of relief literally the entire world. And I think we're all looking forward to 2021 and hoping that it's better. So along those lines we always want to keep things fresh and keep things new. And so we are going to introduce a couple new segments.

We're only going to roll out one today. It's going to be called the paranormal junk drawer. Everyone's got a junk drawer in their house and I'm looking around everyone's a naughty in their head. Chris, do you have a junk drawer at your house?

Not what? A junk drawer. You're breaking up on that. Do you have a junk drawer?

A drawer with junk drawer? Yeah. That's what you're lying. No, it's like only one.

I think I might have a couple of different drawers. So just for fun when I thought about this name, I thought I'm going to go down and look at my junk drawer and see what's in there. And so this was a few things that are in like a junk drawer. Obviously there's bands and pencils but there's butt cream, which is like baby.

That's a good junk drawer item. My youngest child is nine years old. So there's a butt cream in the junk drawer. I just like seeing butt cream.

A butt cream, right? That's because we confused with anal lube. Oh, maybe. Sorry about that.

Yeah, sorry about that. You have a second butt cream for diaper rash. Okay. So.

Appiration age. Exactly. So I also had an anaphine gables Christmas decoration in the drawer. So you know, anaphine gables butt cream drawer.

So what does that mean for our segment? Well, that means that you never know what you're going to get on this segment, but it will be paranoid. So as I know your comps kind of look for some new segments that are going to pop out. Doc's going to have one.

Chris is going to have one. But today in our junk drawer, we're going to talk about a stone because that's what we've been doing. That's what you used to. We don't want to make too many changes too soon and freak everybody out.

So the stone that we're going to do when I was in Moab, I found one called a honeycomb onyx and it was really pretty. And so I thought, oh, I'll do that one. I actually took a picture of it. But when you look it up, this is a stone that was found in 1995 and it's only found that we know of to this point in the Uintabason.

So maybe it has something to do with skin walker ranch. They found it there accidentally, actually. So I could not find anything online about it specifically. So we're going to do onyx.

As I get this big build up, but we're going to do onyx. Onyx is actually pretty cool. So it is called the gem of Saturn. And Saturn is a planet of karma.

It has a lot to do with karma and helping deal with and get rid of negative feelings. It's a secret of stone. It can store a lot of old memories. It's a perfect stone to clear away your bad karma and your grief and sorrow.

I think most people are fairly familiar with onyx. It's a black stone and therefore it has a lot of protective energy because there's no light within the stone. It will shield your aura from negative energy. One of the things that I thought was really interesting is in Arabic, the word for onyx also means sadness.

And that really describes the energy that onyx can offer you. Now that it gives you sadness, but it absorbs your pain and your sorrow. So usually it's black, but you can also find brown, pink, red, green, colorless and yellow. Just Google honeycomonics.

It's actually really pretty. Onyx is a really good stone for carving because it has a really literally high on the most scale. It's like a 6.5 on the most scale. And I thought that the word onyx was really interesting.

It comes from the Greek word onyx, which means claw or fingernail because the veins on the stone look like the colors of a fingernail. You almost pronounce that like forest, I'm trying to say onyx. Onyx. I like you, GNA.

I like onyx. Well, it's just hard because there's onyx and onyx. Onyx. Please, please continue.

I can't because I just snorted the big one. See if I didn't have a nickname until now and now and before. Okay. Let's see.

It's found in Mexico, the United States, Peru, Madagascar, India, Afghanistan, Brazil and the good stuff is found in the human-to-basin with the skin walkers. So okay, here's one for you guys. Some of the medical physical properties of onyx, some people use it to decrease love-making desires and get rid of that habit. Why would you want that?

It's like reverse of a aggregate or something. It's like, oh no, not in the mood. Get out the onyx. Let's go.

Let me just rub the onyx instead. I was waiting for that one. In the Middle East, they actually use onyx as a worry stone. They will rub it on a worry stone.

At a physical level, it's believed to increase physical stamina and strengthen the kidneys. It also can strengthen hearts, eyes and nerves and it can help with childbirth. Let's see. What else?

All right. A couple more things. It can help you move on from feelings of grief, sorrow or depression. It can give you emotional healing.

It can feel you with confidence. It will improve how you relate to people and how you leave your mark on them. It can bring you restful and pure energy. They say the best way to deal with it is to just sit peacefully with it.

The best way to clean it is just to put it out in the sunlight. During really busy and crazy days, you can feel warmth from it so you need to put it next to you. The most practical to wear it is jewelry. It can give you strong support when you're experiencing difficulties in your personal or professional life.

A couple of things that I found very interesting is onyx as a birthstone. I didn't know. I thought there's birthstones. There's 12 months.

There's 12 stones. Mine's a pearl. Sometimes it's this funky purple thing called Alexandrite, which I refuse to recognize. It is the mystical birthstone of December.

Did you know that there's mystical birthstones? I did not know there was mystical birthstones, but I've heard there's alternate birthstones. We could do an episode on the mystical birthstones. I think we will.

That's going to be an episode. It's also Leo's zodiac birthstone. Did anyone know there were zodiac birthstones? I did not either.

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Yes. Yes. Is this sounds recontakinating? Yeah.

All right. So last thing is it's associated with the planet Saturn and it's a popular gift for a married couple seventh and 10th wedding anniversary. If you're coming up on your seventh or 10th wedding anniversary and Stone's is your thing you just did not that significant other because this website said so. I'll give Jenny an all size.

Ok. She showed me how to Nashville. You make her really good. And her love interest.

expect. So NgManEx and Legends, Legends says that when once the goddess being this was sleeping beside decided to clip her fingernails and the nail clippings landed on the ground. And the gods turned the nail clippings to a stone and I later became known as Onyx. So I don't think that that is creepy at all.

So give your spouse to Tony on clippings for their seventh or tenth anniversary. I got a bunch of those in my bathroom floor. Exactly. So there's one of those marriages in after seven years.

Well I have my own bathroom. Because they get toenails for their gift. Why is her own bathroom? I have my own bathroom.

It's better that way. And you just keep your tongue on clipping yourself? Yeah. I don't know.

You could wrap them up and give them to her for a tenth anniversary. Twentyth anniversary. No. You'll hop out of that one?

You'll get to pick them up and use them as toothpicks every once in a while on a pinch. Ew. Just kidding. Alrighty.

So coming up on a future episode, sometime next year we would really like to do another Answer Your Questions episode. We did that a few years back and I thought it was fascinating. Not only to hear your questions but here are things that I hadn't really thought of before. So if you have questions that you would like answered and it can be about anything, it can be about paranormal, it can be about stones, it can be about chupacabras, it can be about UFOs, whatever question you have that your question answers exactly.

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