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EPISODE · Mar 9, 2026 · 24 MIN

Predicting the next Pandemic with Dr. Larry Brilliant

from Future of Health · host Lucien Engelen

Predicting the next Pandemic with Dr. Larry Brilliant.The next pandemic will not be a virus. During the ICT&health World Conference, Lucien Engelen sat down with epidemiologist Larry Brilliant for a focused conversation on what he sees as the real global threat: a worldwide pandemic of chronic disease that is shortening healthy life expectancy and quietly destabilising healthcare systems and economies.Brilliant draws a sharp line between living longer and living healthier. The widening gap between life expectancy and healthy life expectancy is, in his view, the defining challenge of our time. Prevention is no longer a public health slogan. It is a strategic imperative.For ICT&health Global, this conversation goes to the heart of healthcare transformation. Technology, AI and data matter. But only if they help extend healthy years, strengthen prevention and support system level redesign. Brilliant also reflects on the eradication of smallpox and what true global leadership and coordination can achieve when urgency meets collaboration.For policymakers, health leaders and innovators shaping the future of care, this is essential listening.Listen to the episode and join the global conversation on prevention, leadership and sustainable healthcare systems. SummaryIn this engaging podcast episode, Dr. Larry Brilliant discusses his remarkable journey in public health, including his pivotal role in eradicating smallpox and his insights on pandemics, healthspan, and innovations in healthcare. He emphasizes the importance of communication in public health and the need to address the growing healthspan-lifespan gap. Dr. Brilliant also shares his thoughts on overcoming barriers in public health and the collaborative efforts that led to the success of the smallpox eradication program.Dr. Larry Brilliant played a crucial role in eradicating smallpox.The movie 'Contagion' was inspired by the H1N1 pandemic.Life expectancy has doubled, but healthspan has not kept pace.The U.S. ranks poorly in healthspan compared to other countries.Chronic diseases are a growing concern in public health.Preventable diseases account for a significant portion of health issues.Innovative strategies are needed to improve health outcomes.Communication is key in public health messaging.Collaboration was essential in the smallpox eradication effort.The success of smallpox eradication serves as a model for future public health initiatives. sound bites"Fiction is a better communicator than facts.""We need to find a way to solve that.""We did it and we sent the tire."Chapters00:00 The Journey of Dr. Larry Brilliant04:36 Pandemics: Past, Present, and Future09:25 The Healthspan-Lifespan Gap12:31 Innovations in Healthcare and Longevity16:22 Overcoming Barriers in Public Health22:42 The Eradication of Smallpox: A Triumph of Collaboration

Predicting the next Pandemic with Dr. Larry Brilliant.The next pandemic will not be a virus. During the ICT&health World Conference, Lucien Engelen sat down with epidemiologist Larry Brilliant for a focused conversation on what he sees as the real global threat: a worldwide pandemic of chronic disease that is shortening healthy life expectancy and quietly destabilising healthcare systems and economies.Brilliant draws a sharp line between living longer and living healthier. The widening gap between life expectancy and healthy life expectancy is, in his view, the defining challenge of our time. Prevention is no longer a public health slogan. It is a strategic imperative.For ICT&health Global, this conversation goes to the heart of healthcare transformation. Technology, AI and data matter. But only if they help extend healthy years, strengthen prevention and support system level redesign. Brilliant also reflects on the eradication of smallpox and what true global leadership and coordination can achieve when urgency meets collaboration.For policymakers, health leaders and innovators shaping the future of care, this is essential listening.Listen to the episode and join the global conversation on prevention, leadership and sustainable healthcare systems. SummaryIn this engaging podcast episode, Dr. Larry Brilliant discusses his remarkable journey in public health, including his pivotal role in eradicating smallpox and his insights on pandemics, healthspan, and innovations in healthcare. He emphasizes the importance of communication in public health and the need to address the growing healthspan-lifespan gap. Dr. Brilliant also shares his thoughts on overcoming barriers in public health and the collaborative efforts that led to the success of the smallpox eradication program.Dr. Larry Brilliant played a crucial role in eradicating smallpox.The movie 'Contagion' was inspired by the H1N1 pandemic.Life expectancy has doubled, but healthspan has not kept pace.The U.S. ranks poorly in healthspan compared to other countries.Chronic diseases are a growing concern in public health.Preventable diseases account for a significant portion of health issues.Innovative strategies are needed to improve health outcomes.Communication is key in public health messaging.Collaboration was essential in the smallpox eradication effort.The success of smallpox eradication serves as a model for future public health initiatives. sound bites"Fiction is a better communicator than facts.""We need to find a way to solve that.""We did it and we sent the tire."Chapters00:00 The Journey of Dr. Larry Brilliant04:36 Pandemics: Past, Present, and Future09:25 The Healthspan-Lifespan Gap12:31 Innovations in Healthcare and Longevity16:22 Overcoming Barriers in Public Health22:42 The Eradication of Smallpox: A Triumph of Collaboration

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