PRIDE: Conversion Closet - Caviar and Criminals

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In this emotionally charged Pride Month episode, Anthony unpacks the gut-wrenching history of conversion therapy in America and around the world. We talk about the pseudoscience to real-life horror stories of those who survived it. Then, Dana takes us to Old Hollywood, where the glittering facade masked a brutal truth: queer stars were forced to live double lives, silence by studios and destroyed by systems that equated queerness with career death. It's a story of trauma, talent, and the cost of forced conformity, from the "therapy rooms" to the red carpet. During Pride Month, we’re committed to spotlighting organizations doing the work to support and protect LGBTQ+ youth. We encourage our listeners to join us in supporting the Ali Forney Center, a lifesaving organization providing housing, healthcare, and community for homeless LGBTQ+ youth. If you’re able, please donate at aliforneycenter.org.Caviar & Criminals is a true crime and pop culture podcast hosted by Anthony Kurtz & Dana Parisi. New episodes every Thursday. Follow us on Instagram @caviarandcriminals • Contact: [email protected]. Be Pretty & Petty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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In this emotionally charged Pride Month episode, Anthony unpacks the gut-wrenching history of conversion therapy in America and around the world. We talk about the pseudoscience to real-life horror stories of those who survived it. Then, Dana takes...

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