Psaki: Trump's humiliating disaster on the Mall is his presidency in a nutshell

Jen Psaki makes the case that Donald Trump's failed "state fair" and his other calamitous projects at the seat of American government is an encapsulation of his entire presidency, from overblown vanity projects to sketchy budgets to utter incompetence to weaponizing his Justice Department to help feed his cover story. Jonathan Swan, reporter for the New York Times and co-author of "Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump," talks with Jen Psaki about Donald Trump's declaration that he intends to pardon everyone in his circle, and how that knowledge emboldens his staff to act without fear of any consequence. Andrew Weissmann, former FBI general counsel, talks with Jen Psaki about former special counsel Jack Smith's extended interview on MS NOW earlier today. To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.