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OK, welcome to the Pubcast. In this episode, Eric and Allison join me to breakdown the Terminator, the 1984 classic that stars Arnold Schwarzenegger in his breakout film. This one went a little bit long. And I thought I was going to be short.
I thought we might get this thing under an hour, but it didn't really work out that way. We had a lot of tangents and different things we went into. But one of them, you'll hear at the beginning of the episode, we do talk about 1984 as maybe one of the best movie years. So check that out toward the top of the show.
And that's something I think we'll revisit in future episodes where we discuss maybe what is the best movie year, or the top three, or the Hall of Fame movie years, or whatever. So anyway, tune in, listen, and check out our breakdown of the Terminator. The Terminator, 1984. We've got the IMDB plot, which is always my favorite, because it's so dry.
A human soldier is sent from 2029 to 1984 to stop an almost indestructible cyborg killing machine. Sent from the same year, which has been programmed to execute a young woman who's unborn son as the key to humanity's future salvation. Pretty kind of dry there. It works.
I like killing machine now. Because in this case, it's literal, as opposed to the figurative. Well, like Jaws killing machine and reading machine. So where were you?
When did you first see it? What was your reaction? What impact did it have to you when you first saw, or when you first even heard of the Terminator? Because I definitely did not see this in the theater.
I was all enough technically, I think. Like a lot of them. It was 84, right? Yeah.
It would have been for us like fifth grade. Second grade for me. Yeah. I didn't see it in the theater.
It probably would have been close to middle school or high school that I first saw it. And I was never big into kind of scary movies, not that this is necessarily scary. But it was probably lower on my list of movies to watch. I feel like it was high school that I saw it.
Yeah, it is rated R. So our parents would have had to be a little fast on this with the rules if we could put those in there. No, I remember definitely not seeing it, but seeing all the commercials. Definitely wanting to see it.
I mean, some crazy robot from the future. It looks like some wild Austrian bodybuilder coming back to kill people and saying, fantastic to me. But I don't remember the first time I saw it, it was certainly on TV or cable or whatever. But I remember being like in, just in and around pop culture forever before I even saw it.
Like it was a dream. I'll be back. I'll be back. The first time I saw it, you were speaking of parents being fast and loose with the rule, while letting us watch it.
This was in a time where I was probably around 12 or 13. And my dad was in a phase where he and I were running a lot of movies, a lot of like the Schwarzenegger type movies. And dad's catchphrase for all these movies was violence for the sake of violence. Yeah.
And it was just one of those movies that we rented like Predator and Robocop and went through all those types of movies and somewhere in there we rented the Terminator. Whatever I would do that, or he would have me sit down and watch a movie that I was probably too young for and had things happening in it that were obviously young for like this one. He would always be really specific about telling me that this is just movie, this is, you know, that's not real blood. You know, that's not, you know, of course.
But he would, you know, that's special effects. That's, you know, phone latex, they're building this. That's like a model, that's a this. That's a that.
He was always really like overly conscious about that. Like, okay, after the first time I got it. And then after the 37th time I'm like, yeah, of course. I just imagine him putting his hand gently on your shoulder.
No. Oh my God. Yeah, it's great. All right, the first time, good.
Oh, I got none of that. You got prepped with violence for the sake of violence. Yes. So run tomato score.
What do we think we'll start with the critics? What do we think the critics on run tomatoes give it? And what then did the audience give it? Okay.
Critics, I'm going to go with 76. Critics 76 Eric. Critics, I will go 84. All right.
This will surprise the hell to me. Again, the run tomato stuff, you got to take with the grain of salt. I don't know the algorithm they're working off over how this whole thing works, but run tomato critics. 100%.
What? 100%. That seems a bit high for this termator, but okay. So the critics gave it 100%.
What did the audience give it? I don't know how you predict that. Our usual theory is that the audience likes it more, but you can't do 115%. And I think our theory of the audience is more lenient.
I don't think it's worked for us yet. No. I think we've gotten it right yet. No, no, we've always been wrong.
Yeah. That's the hallmark of this podcast is we're wrong about almost everything. So I can't ever win my own game. We're never right about any of these facts.
I have blown away by 100% on critics. I'm blown away by that. I knew critics. I know it was well received by critics, but for it to run the board is insane to me.
One of these days we'll do a look at run tomatoes and what movies got 100% and what got zeros or extremes. I bet Godfather didn't get 100%. I bet you what's the most likes movie for us gone by. I don't know what it will be.
I think the most movie or the friend of these people and get the highest scores. 100% Terminator. Absolutely shocked. So all right.
What are you saying for audience? I'm going to go 94. I'm going to stick with my 84. Let's look at the difference.
Audience score of 89. That is right. Yeah. That seems right.
If the critics score, I don't know. Critics should be about 81. I don't know. I can't imagine being heard in that.
I can't terminate it. All right. Let's get into some fun facts here. So I'm trying to whittle these down because this section of the podcast often gets a little tedious.
So if I get too far in the weeds, it's coming off. I've got a new thing at the top I want to do. We've done part of this once and that's the box office. And I want to compare it to the highest grossing box office of that year.
So the budget for the term later was $6.4 million in 1984, or 83, whatever they tried it. That's a big box office. I mean, it's a big budget, but it's not enormous. Not even for that time.
Domestic, it made $38 million in a national, it made $40, so total of $78. What? What is the, is there, do they give like a current day equivalent? I'm trying to remember to, like, Jaws was much higher than that.
So I'll tell you in 1984, so it's domestic earning was 38. I'm just doing domestic. Yeah. You know, whatever.
Terminator was a ranked number 21 for the year. Really? Yeah. Twenty movies finished with a higher box office than a Terminator in that year.
Do you know what the top one was? I do, but let's not blow our lows first. I did a quick Google search. $1 1984 is equivalent to $2.48 in 2020.
Well, two and a half times. So $75? $38 would be... $80 million?
Plus. Yeah. Round off to $1 million. Off of what would be a $15 million budget?
Yeah. Still, they're profitable, right? Yeah, very profitable. And yeah, they would probably good audience and critical feedback.
That would be enough that they would greenlight a sequel and... Well, yeah, and it sets up James Cameron for all sorts of stuff after this. Right. Yeah.
It's crazy after this. Okay. So just some of the movies that finished above the Terminator in the box office. I'm going from lowest to highest.
Okay. So I'm going to pick out the ones that are worth mentioning. Okay. Red Dawn, number 19.
Okay. That made... So this is a calendar year because Terminator came out in October. So it only made $34 million in that year.
That's an extra four. Right. You know, so... So Red Dawn made $38.
The Tom Hanks breakout in Bachelor Party made $38. That's so insane. Breakin', of course. Breakin', make $38.
We mentioned of the nerds. The original one made $40. $41. Nice.
The natural came out in 84. Made $40, just under $48. A little movie called... A little movie called Purple Rain made $68.
That there's $12 for the year. That was huge that year. Then... So then the top 11, you're pretty much going down the murderous row of some of the...
Of the great 80s and stuff. Okay. So number 11, splash. 69 million.
Number 10, romancing the stone. 74 million. Number 9, terms of endearment. 74 million.
Number 8, Star Trek III, the search for Spock. 76 million. Number 7, I'm surprised this is this low. I thought this was way higher.
Number 7, Beverly Hills Cop. The original. The original. Number 2 was huge.
I thought number one was bigger. Number 6, Footloose. 80 million. Number 5, the original police academy.
81. Number 4, the original karate kid. Wow. 90 million.
Number 3, these box office grosses are big for 84. For the 80s. Number 3, Gremlins. Oh my God.
148 million. Oh my God. 84. Number 2, I think this is the...
I'm trying to think. This is one of three... Two movies that my dad went to during my childhood. One was Superman.
One was Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Is that 84? 84. Grows to $179 million.
Number 1 movie for 1984. Yeah. With a gross of $220 million. In 84.
In 84. So let's call it 500 million. Ghostbusters. Oh my.
84 was like the greatest year of movies ever. It's got some really good ones in there. It's... Eric, it's like the whole Adablute collection right there in 84.
Yes. I'm quite sure there's still a... It's a ton. A VHS cassette.
We eat for those movies that we taped off of television. Right. I'll throw out some ones. I won't talk about the gross, but just the names that also came after came lower than the Terminator that are worth mentioning.
Conan the Destroyer. Also a Schwarzenegger movie. Wow. The Last Starfighter, Eric.
We eat fantastic. Oh yeah. Cannonball run. Garden to the galaxy owns everything of that movie.
The Last Starfighter? Yeah, it does. Cannonball run 2, which is awesome. The Muppets Take Manhattan.
Yes. Scarface. Wow. Yeah.
What did that go like? I don't know. It's so funny. I love it because Eric has so hard.
16 candles. What number was that? No. 37.
What? The $23 million. Let's see. A bit of a top secret.
Oh my god. Never ending story. Oh my god. Dish and please.
What you can call the original do? Yes. Firestarter. Oh my god.
Amadeus. Oh my god. Beat Street. Eric, 84, seriously.
Girl. Starman. Oh my god. The big Joe.
That was 84 also. I'm a dais. What's the best picture winner that year? Yeah, and that goes to rank 56.
So we could go for everyone's list because there's a lot of things around here. Wow. A little movie called The Cloak and Dagger. I don't know that one.
Oh, really? No. It's what's his name? Elliot from ET.
That was his big follow up to ET. Oh. Danny Coleman is a imaginary spy. Fantastic.
Is it a comedy? Kind of. Really? Kind of.
Not really. Yeah. Oh, it's not good. I saw when I was 10 years old or something.
And that's about giant dangerously. That's a good one. Nightmare on Elm Street. Breaking to electric blue.
No. Breaking and breaking. Breaking and singing. How's that possible?
Maybe it was made like Kill Bill one and two. Made at the same time. I had to break it up. It was just too big to put one film.
The adventures of Buckaroo Bonsai. They did both come out in 1984. That's a ludicrous. They know that break dancing thing was not going to go long last.
Breaking came out in May. 2. All the way, December. To Florida.
It's the time of Christmas, December 21. Merry Christmas. Break in two electric boogaloos. And the final one I mentioned for 1984 is to cap off.
Hall of Fame year a Christmas story. It's a huge year. Basically made nothing. made nothing, but yeah.
I'm not mentioning Shina. Me, balls part two, me, come on. All right. That's interesting.
No, I'll try to preach these stuff. But of all, I mean, you think of the Terminator and you think it was one of the biggest of the year. No. Wow.
The idea for the Terminator came to James Cameron who wrote it and directed it while he was dressed feverish and bedridden in Rome, working on Piranha II. Yeah, I saw that. I think I saw Piranha. I don't get it.
Yeah. Jaws rip off. James Cameron sold the rights to the Terminator to producer Gale Ann Hurd, his future wife, for only $1 under the condition that he'd be able to direct it and execute it his way. That's kind of cool.
I believe it in this so much. I'll sell it to you for $1, but you get that cheap because I'm going to do it my way. That's cool. The studio, who's the studio?
I don't know. Ryan? Oh, no. It wasn't Ryan.
The studio did not make any suggestions to Cameron, and no notes, but the one note they did make was for him to write in a dog sidekick for the Terminator. Would it be a robot dog? It would have to be, right? Or was it the German Shepherd that was in the final scene with Sarah Hunter?
I have a better trivia about that. Oh, is it Vancouver? No. James Cameron's original story idea was much more elaborate and involved.
Skynet sending two termators back in time. The first one was a cyborg that would be defeated by a human. It was also something back in time, basically the story they had. The other Terminator would be sent back with a liquid metal shapeshifting Terminator, and they were trying to do it using claymation for the shadowy depictions of this liquid metal Terminator because it was 1984 and they couldn't do it.
I was going to make it work, because they scrapped it, cut the story in half, did the first half in 84, and the second half became a T2. I had no idea. I had no idea. I didn't know that history, but that makes sense.
It makes sense. I have that idea of both of them and not being able to execute it until later because of technology. Right. When did Terminator come out?
Do you know? I think it was really that big of a gap between the two movies. Wow. Six years.
Yeah. I mean, what a difference that time period makes in terms of special effects. Kind of watching it this time. Well, and in between or right before was the Abyss by James Cameron, where he learned how to do that liquid sort of.
Yeah, he made a, this was his movie right before Terminator 2. Yeah. You made Terminator then aliens, then the Abyss, then Terminator 2. Aliens.
Right. He also did, I think, Rambo first blood part two. He wrote it. Oh, he wrote it.
He interacted. Right. He just wrote it. Can we just call that second blood?
Yeah. Then the first blood part two. Come on. Or just Rainbow 2.
Right. In James Cameron's original treatment, Sarah Connor had an old figure skating injury that was fixed with a couple of surgical pins and the Terminator cut open the legs with the first two Sarah Connor's trying to find this mark. Crazy. Maybe a little too dory or too tedious.
Yeah. I don't know. Weird. Filming on the Terminator had to be delayed for nine months.
Well, Schwarzenegger wrapped up filming, coming the destroyer, which we saw on this list as well. That did not do as well with the Terminator. That's not a good movie. That's when James Cameron, I guess, was writing aliens and the Rambo scene.
Yeah. It's insane. The voice on the answering machine canceling Sarah Connor's date is the voice of James Cameron. Yeah.
I saw that. And the two, obviously, I think everyone knows this. They eventually married. They were married in like the mid 90s, I think, late 90s.
Schwarzenegger, the Terminator only has 14 lines in the movie. Yeah. Or he does not have to speak. No.
No. In Conan the Barbarian, he had 24. I saw that. Conan the Barbarian.
Yes. Yeah. That he that he saw that and he wanted like he was really trying to. He was trying to be cow Reese.
Yeah. He wanted to be the young hero. And then they realized he can really handle it. In the scene where Sarah and Reese and the bridge, it's not actually fog hanging the air.
It's a sickness of bug spray. There's a big, I don't fly situation going on there. And the iconic line I'll be back was actually scripted as I'll come back. It doesn't quite have the same ring as.
Well, and on that line, apparently, Arnold Schwarzenegger tried to make the recommendation for it to be, I will be back or I will come back and not have it be a contraction because he thought it would sound more robot-like that they wouldn't be so casual and James Cameron's response was, I don't tell you how to act. You don't tell me how to write. Oh, yeah. I love stuff like that.
Arnold, go to the place in the corner and shut up. You just do what I said. Any other trivia you guys want to throw out? Yeah.
I've got a couple. But Eric, maybe you have something to say first. No, give me a second to think and maybe I will. But go ahead with yours.
So, at the police station, when the Lieutenant says there are 30 cops here to protect you, you're totally safe. If you do the body count, 30 cops are killed. 30 cops are killed. Yeah.
The dog at the Tiki Hotel or motel that she has at the end is James Cameron's actual dog. The one in the Jeep. Yeah. That was at the motel that barked at the Terminator.
That's his dog. And this is so good. So, you know, like when you're seeing the Terminator's kind of inner screen where it's red and it's got all the code that's actual code from an Apple II, that if you type in a certain program line, you can run the Terminator thing. Apple II.
That's what it is. And that the last one I have is that the bar where she's hiding out techno R was something that he built and he really saw the movie creating a new genre called techno R. Yeah. And as they were building the set or the bar for the movie, a lot of people thought it was a real place and they kept trying to go in and they didn't get people out.
But he was really like, he was real specific on the name and the look and everything because he really saw the, he was really trying to go for that noir gritty film but have this kind of sci-fi tech component to it. I love the stories of like the indie film or the inexpensive film where they have to do things on the Jeep and then people like they use like random people walking around as extras and they'll even tell them that they're in the movie and that's not that's not right. Eric. First of all, someone should make the bar should make a techno R bar.
Oh, yeah. It's like somebody made this like how there's the Regal Beagle in Chicago. Somebody should make a techno. Yeah.
Piece of trivia that I thought was cool. Getting back to kind of how elements of Terminator 2 were sort of already thought of and were intended to be part of this movie but were shelved later. There was a subplot of the movie and they actually shot a lot of it. There's deleted scenes that are that I watched today on the DVD are like Sarah had the Sarah already had the idea that she wanted to destroy the cyber dying company to stop Skynet from ever being built.
She was trying to be go on the offensive and be proactive and it was Kyle saying no, no, no, it's a mission. I'm just supposed to maintain the future and not change it. Yeah. Yeah.
And they were and after the whole the climax of the other movie, they show they show like a guy from the cyber die company finding the process there and like, hey, we should give the star and deal and look at it and then they show the outside of the building. They show that they were inside cyberdines. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm glad they got rid of that because we needed a place for Miles Dyson and X movie. I mean, he was a key little component and one of my favorites from T2. Yeah, it was a good thing that they left that out because that a very big part of the sequel.
Yeah. So all right, let's move into casting news. I didn't have a lot in here. I don't want to get too far in the weeds.
There's a couple of things in the flashback with Kyle Reese getting, you know, showing him living on the ground and getting back from a mission and then being them all being attacked by a Terminator. That Terminator in the future, killing everybody with a futuristic Gatling gun was Franco Colombo, the two-time Mr. Olympia who was one of Schwarzenegger's best friends. Oh, yeah, I saw that.
Yeah. That guy's awesome, by the way. I almost wanted like Colombo's awesome. I have expected it to be like Lou Ferrigno or something like that as a other kind of at that time.
They weren't friends that much. Right. I know. I know.
I know. I think I remember Franco Colombo, he and Arnold were real close friends in that pumping Iron Documentary. Yeah, they were then. I think they still are today.
Yeah. Like Colombo was because there was different like weight classes for a little tradition and he was kind of like, Arnold was like the heavy weights and Franco Colombo was the lightweight. So they were like, they were both the champions in their own group. So they sort of had that in common and were good friends.
Yeah, they was always rip on right now and bust his balls. Yeah. Louie and his dad doing reps in their basement. Obviously, this is common knowledge.
The main punk with the blue hair is Bill Paxton and Bill Camio. That's ridiculous. You know, and killed by a Terminator, a Predator, and an alien. Oh my God.
So good. So good. People who almost played the Terminator take us with a grain of salt who knows how real these are. But Mel Gibson and OJ Simpson.
Mel Gibson turned it down. OJ is that was too nice. Yeah. But apparently there was some comic book version of the Terminator came out later and they used sort of his likeness after the whole.
OJ. Yeah. The murder situation. Yeah.
Well, really? Yeah. They put on a comic book? Well, it was Terminator, but they kind of used it.
Oh, I know. Yeah. Good. Got it.
I only have two possibilities for Cowries. One was Schwarzenegger. He wanted to play that character and couldn't do it. The other one was Sting.
The other one was Sting, was considered for Sting. Cowries. Yeah. He was in June.
So he was sort of... Oh, June. That's right. Which also came out that year.
I was about to schedule his. He's very in demand. I have one bit of trivia. I didn't find anywhere, but I happen to know this by listening.
One of the producers on the Adam Corolla podcast is the nephew of Michael Bean, who is Cowies. So Cowies is nephew is the producer on Adam Corolla's podcast. That's the trivia. Yeah.
Yeah. You had a bit of trivia on Michael Bean, Eric. It's not really trivia, but what he was in. Oh, yeah.
Michael Bean had a... Michael Bean was in Greece of all the movies. Yeah. He was a jock.
He was in two scenes, I think. He was one of the guys on the basketball court when Travolta was trying to open the basketball team. And there's the scene when they're in the biology lab and Keniki puts the frog in. What's her face is pursed?
She freaks out in screams. He's sitting at the table with her. Did you go back and look? I'm just curious.
I didn't watch the movie. I looked through... Like there was IMDB had photos. Oh, got it.
Of those two scenes. Because it was in his birthday recently. Is that what I mean? Yeah.
It was Michael Bean's birthday. Yeah. We are timely on this podcast. And Eric had texted that day, this bit about Greece, I'm like, oh my God, you're wasting trivia.
Yeah. Okay. He's like, wait, are we doing the term later? He's bad to yourself, man.
Before I did, yeah. It was before I did, we were doing the term later. Everything's a possible podcast. All right.
Well, let's jump into recastorate. Better close the door. It's time to be castor bait. I found this one more difficult than I expected.
Me too. Just like Jaws, there's really only three characters and everybody else is highly replaceable and doesn't even matter. But we will try to run the Dallas West as we can. Okay.
Before we even start, I want to give special attention to Dr. Pete Silverman, who's one of my favorite character actor guys. Yep. I don't know.
I couldn't tell you what he's in or what he plays or anything, but he's in a lot of stuff. Always notice him. Whatever he's on. Totally.
He's like that. I went down a deep hole this afternoon about actors who, whenever they're in a film, they make it better. And they're all these different character actors that play like little bit parts here and there and it's like, oh, yeah, that person's really awesome. But it's hard to like, okay, what were they in and?
Yeah, Bill Simmons on the watchables. They have a category called that guy and he's one of the, that is for sure. He's got 277 acting credits. Yeah.
The actor's name is Earl Bowen, just so everybody knows. Yeah, he's good. He's in everything. He's in tons of like sitcoms and like all kinds of stuff.
All right. I'm going to show you start with the Terminator. Sure. Start with the big guy.
I'm going to go first and just get out of the way. Okay. I came up with three or four options for the Terminator to recast with current actors. Of course, the first one's Tom Hardy.
It has to be Tom Hardy. Oh, yeah. No, it's Tom Hardy. No, Tom Hardy.
No, he is the Terminator and Terminator 2. What? He's like the liquid metal guy? Yes.
Yes. He's too grungy. Yeah. No, I also had Tom Hardy too, but once again, it's like Wheel of Fortune rules.
We know that's what you're going to pick. I know. Yeah. I got it down.
I got it as Terminator 2 online. That's a different movie. We're not doing that one. I know, but because we don't always have to cast him.
Okay. So I'm just doing what he's on. Okay. I was just going to say like Tom Hardy, it's this everybody, the person in the world who doesn't give a fuck, the original is the Terminator.
The Terminator is it's almost, it's like semi-autobiographical over Tom Hardy. It does. He certainly works. My problem was he's like 5'9".
I know, but that's okay. Then we change it up. I totally saw it, but the scene with Bill Paxton, he's the guy I want him to punch him in the face of a result out. Like that absolutely.
Well, Bane, he was Bane and he just crushed that guy's throat without even... Bane the Colossus in the comics or whatever in the movie. He's 5'9". Sure enough.
Okay. So I'm going to go with my... I have a lot to say about the Terminator here, but I don't want to ruin your guys' things, like what you're going to say. I'm going to limit my comments and I may add them afterwards.
Okay. So I had a real hard time with this because there are two or three clearly obvious choices for this that are so obvious I didn't want to go with them. Okay. It's probably four obvious choices I didn't know with them.
Okay. So I went with, I think my number one, although it's a little, it's a little off type. I'm going to go with Michael Shannon. In the Terminator.
I know. I know. There was a lot of preamble leading to here. Michael Shannon's like, I can't say what I want to say later.
I'm trying to not step on it. I did throw in one obvious one, like Jason Momoa. Yeah, I knew about this. Sure.
He works. About him. Here's the one that I really want to see though. It definitely doesn't fit in all, but it's a brand new movie.
And with this person, we have to recast everyone. Okay. Tilda Swinton. I want her as like a super serious, no nonsense, efficient killing machine.
Wow. So Wes Anderson is going to be directing this guy. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm saying we worked the whole franchise. Oh my word. It's a reset.
Forget everything previous existed. We are doing that. Tilda Swinton Terminator. Oh my God.
Wes Anderson's Terminator. Yeah. So that's the one I was going to do. Oh my God.
All right. All right. All right. Yeah.
I had a couple went through a couple of like would be obvious choices. Like I thought about the rock. I thought about I did think about Jason Momoa. John Cena crossed my mind, but I settled on my number one would be Terry Cruz.
Yeah. I considered him for a different part. Well, got it. But yeah, Terry Cruz would be good.
So I had Jason Momoa on my, oh, I thought he gave free. Oh, he did. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. So I had Jason Momoa on my, with I have one that's a kind of in the same vein, I guess, as Schwarzenegger. And then the other one may be laugh out loud thinking of it, but I think it could work.
So the one that's kind of same thing is Henry Cavill. Yeah. Yeah. I did.
I did. I did think of him. When you're casting this part, I think it's, I had trouble with this. Some of these actors are too attractive.
They're not sort of, because Schwarzenegger was just unique enough that I thought he'd better. I think there's my trouble. I'm like, oh, it couldn't be Cavill. It couldn't be a Hemsworth.
No. So my other one that I thought of is Adam Driver. That's fantastic. That is fantastic.
He's tall. He's kind of, he can play like the Determined Silent. I feel like it could work. But when I saw it, I'm like, oh my God, and I started laughing.
All right. Is your third? Well, Jason Momoa. Okay.
So coming back to mind, I purposely didn't say the rock and John Cena says they're too obvious. And the rock has too much charisma. Like he's too, he's too much. Isn't it?
Yeah. Well, and I feel like John Cena has almost done too many comedies to be taken seriously on that role. Yeah. You can't just get big bodybuilders to play this role.
I think you can, but that's the Momoa deal, right? The one I had on here that I think, if we go that route, I think this is the one I would actually pick. I think I'm over Jason. Would be Dave Batista.