Pubcast 56: Goodfellas (Part 1)

Let's sit down and enjoy a pint. Alright, welcome to a very special episode of the podcast. This episode we talk about Goodfellas, which if you know me at all and if you're listening you probably do. You know that Goodfellas was a movie that I talked about, me and my friends talked about constantly throughout college way too often we were constantly talking about the fellas we watched it a dozen times or whatever.

So joining me on this episode is Polly, Rob, and Allison. We share a love of Goodfellas and they know all of the quotes and all of the stupid things we used to do and say around this movie in college. So who better to talk about the minutia of Goodfellas than the four of us. This episode got really long and kind of out of control so we got to break it up.

So this is a two part episode. The first part ends after a link to the recastor bait section and the second part is where we do the how much are they worth game and all that stuff. So check out part one of Goodfellas. We're right on your friends and always keep your mind shut.

As far back as I can remember I always wanted to be a gangster. Hey Mom, what do you think? You look like a gangster. I know I've been there.

By the time I grew up there was 30 billion a year in cargo moving through Ottawa Airport I believe we try to steal every bit of it. What do you do? I'm a constructionist. He's not human.

I'm also the guy's killing stuff to be accepted. Henry, it's not. Very funny guys. It's a link.

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For us to live any other way was nuts. We were treated like movie stars with muscle. We had it all just for the asking. It's gonna be a good summer.

It was a glorious time. In a world that's powered by violence on the streets where the violent half power. A new generation carries on an old tradition. All right, good fellows.

Assholes. Here's my next one of the plot. The story of Henry Hill and his life in the mob covering his relationship with his wife Karen Hill and his mob partners Jimmy Conway and Tommy DeVito in the Italian American crime syndicate. I couldn't think of a less descriptive way to talk about this movie.

So, what was your overall reaction to the movie when you saw it? What were you thinking? Did you have a preconceived notion? Where were you?

What was the scenario when you first saw this movie? Well, Brendan, should we say for context that we all met shortly after the movie came out within 18 months or so? Yeah. I don't think I saw it unless I saw it with one of you.

What? I was gonna say I feel like I watched it. I don't think so either. I feel like I was like a Kobe movie or something.

Like between rattling hum and something else would be squeezed it in. I feel like I watched it in college and it might have been with the three of you guys. No, it came out in the summer or the fall of 1990. I'm not saying I saw it in the theater.

I know I definitely didn't see it in the theater. Really? I know that for sure. I can tell you that in my junior year of high school I wasn't going to three hour crime drama.

I also didn't hit the hyper-crime. I think all of it was in. Bing pow. Bing pow.

Yeah, I definitely saw it in the theater. I don't remember where. But I know because I was in two three hour long gangster drama. I'd seen Godfather III in the theater that same year.

Let me tell you, there are two vastly different reasons. I think that there's such a cultural momentum that built up after this movie was out there for a little bit. Yeah, absolutely. I always place it in my cultural memory much later than it actually was a movie.

I agree, but yet I also feel like it was made in the late 80s and not in 1990 or whatever. Like it should technically. I mean, I know it was. It just felt like it would have been an older movie to your point.

So two robs pointing about it getting momentum afterwards and it's release. Goodfellas made these 34th most money in the theater. Well, one fact I noted while it ended everything, this movie apparently in pre-testing scored some of the lowest audience test scores of any movie that a studio had tested. Yeah, it was too violent.

It was so brutally violent at the time, which I was actually, we should come back to that because I just watched it actually today again. And it is more violent than I remember it is. Yeah. What was the cloud in the fun facts area of this?

All right. Well, but the point of this idea that it wasn't well received, it didn't make a ton of money about doubled in structure budget, but it was still wildly acclaimed critically and obviously not made it. Yeah, absolutely. One of the things with its release and how much money it made and how popular it was, it wasn't.

And I had to look this up two or three times, I didn't believe the number. It only made 46 million at the box office. And that was all effectively all domestic. Like it only made 48,000 in international.

Yeah, but it only cost like 23 or 25 million. Yeah, like there was no international release. I mean, that's what that number sets. Which is like something out of the 70s or 80s.

It's great. Those Chinese for later. Well, it could have done well in Italy, you know, come on. Okay, so run title scores.

What do you guys think the audience gave your tellings? Oh my gosh. We typically say that the audience goes higher than the critics, but we've been wrong four to five times. I call it to kick this one.

Can it get a hundred? Is that a possible score? There are a few hundreds. I forget which one.

I would probably give it in the 90. I'm going to say 98. Goddamn it. Audience or?

Yeah. Okay. I was calling you on my line to figure like, okay, 100, but 100 has cards. So where would I dial it down to?

Yeah, I'll dial it down. I'll go to 98. I'll go to 98. I'll go 97.

I'm going to say 90. Audience gave it a score of 97. Oh, yes. So based on that, what do you think the critics gave it?

If it was more critically acclaimed than audience claimed, Nashie? Well, if there ever was a movie where these would be really close, this is going to be, I mean, at the time it was called Sores Aces Best Movie and that's quite a step. Come back to that later. You're doubling up 97.

Oh, yeah. You know, I'm going to go 95 for the critics. Wow. I'm going to go 94 and hopefully that's the number and then I can come back right at the end of the show.

All right. I'm going to say 95. Critics gave it 96. Oh, yes.

Dammit, I was going to say 96. I was going to say one off of the other side. Daniel Wyatt. 97.

96. Everybody who saw this movie, love it. I mean, I would love to see a list of movies that are 95 and 12 for both because it's going to be short. So we showed this that we have five years ago.

We're here. So here to be unedited. Like, full on everything. Okay.

So he was 14, 15 or 15. And instantly he's like, oh, it's my favorite movie ever. He's like, I just need to find an illegal cigarette operation. I'll be on my way.

First look, first he told me, oh fuck myself. But he said it's my favorite. All right. So that's, I mean, great movie.

It was not for all kinds of Oscars, but it didn't really win a ton of Oscars or look in hindsight. I can't believe it didn't win more. So when you run through some of the main categories, the Oscars, I'll tell you, somebody surprised me. I mean, I don't know if it's arguable.

I mean, the greatest travesty of all time, right? What dances with wolves winning that group of winning that award with that group of films. Well, there's only a. So I think it could have won.

Yeah. So the other now, I actually have the other nominee. I mean, you want to pause here, but so the Godfather part three was nominated that year. No, ridiculous.

That's what, but you know, again, in retrospect, that's a pretty strong movie. It has a bad performances, but there you go. In that ghost ghost, right? Which I think well dances with wolves and then awakenings.

Right. Oh, really? I just realized that movie was a best picture nomination. I actually just want to like a week ago.

It was on TV. It's a it's all over these. Yeah, ghost awakenings Godfather part three dances with wolves and good fellas. I think it's hard to say dancing with wolves shouldn't have won, but it's easy to say good fellas should have won.

Yeah. Okay. Film. But yeah, honey, when you look back and when you did win a best writer, correct?

Good fellas won more awards that year than dances with wolves though, right? Yeah. Overall. Let me run through this real quick.

So best, the best, the best picture, dancing with wolves. Best director Kevin tossner dances with wolves. Scorsé, the good fellas was in their boards. Best actor Jeremy Irons for reversal of fortune.

I don't know what that I know yet. De Niro was up for best actor than when possibly was up for dance with wolves. This is supporting actor, Pesci won for good fellas. Lorraine Brocko was nominated as well.

I'm not there yet. That's an act. Oh, sorry. Sorry.

You were tough with the nominations. You were hopped up there. You normally get me with three more glasses of white in me. So I'm.

I know. Too much caffeine in this is a movie. So dances with wolves also had Graham Green in the best supporting actor. I don't really know that is the American Indian guy.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's a supporting actor. It's whoopi Goldberg won for ghost.

See, like, that might be the greatest. Yeah. Lorraine Brocko for good fellas didn't win. Annette Benning for the grifters didn't win.

Oh, she was really good. I would have picked her. Yeah. Mary McDonald for dances with wolves in there.

And then best screenplay based on material from another medium. So best non-original screenplay. Dancing with wolves won that. Fellas wasn't there as well with the screenplay from Nicholas Pileggi and, it's what's 80.

So all those nominations greatly won one. But it also is, you know, I think, you know, non, I guess sanctioned awards are those that come outside of the academy. Like in 2005, it was rated the number one movie of all time, right? Yeah.

I mean, it's arguably the best movie from one of the best American directors ever. Right. And best actors ever. The collection?

Yeah. I mean, he, the best movie that De Niro and Scorsese ever did together. I guess you could argue over a couple, but this is probably it. Is it the second best?

No. Come on. I would call you this movie. I don't, you could argue, I guess, but I think it interrupts two.

Yeah, interrupts two and one. Yes. All right. We will be fighting against this podcast.

I mean, Godfather two good fellows then Godfather. I would agree with that. Oh, I put you in the e-turn. I put both of them over to those.

The others, just well, I know that bad voice. Oh, yeah. Anything with my lord. And then Irishman coming right up behind it.

Go ahead. All right. All right. So that is, you know, the one thing that was interesting about, I think there was a lot of initial sort of not outrage, but shock that, that, that, Pilesi and Scorsese didn't get the writing award because there's just so many memorable lines and so much, you know, sort of creative scenes.

But I think as time is kind of worn on, it just might have been more widely known, but there was so much improvisation. Do you really consider that a great script or just a good story? Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it was saying that he was rewriting as he would let them just improvise and just really sort of play off each other and then they rewrite it and then okay, this is a better way to do it.

I mean, do you have a timing on how long this will be took to, I mean, it wasn't a huge budget, but I'm sure time-wise, it probably took a while, right? I didn't see the time frame. I mean, I'm sure they rewrote dialogue and stuff and did that with the improvisation aspect of it, but I'm currently reading or listening to the audio book for Wise Guys, and so much of what's in the book is on the screen. Yeah.

I would say there's huge exceptions that though, but like Polly, I think I saw the same thing. He would hold formal rehearsals of the theme as written, but he would encourage them to improvise, and if they said something better, then he would go back at night and rewrite it. But there's certain famous things like that, you think I'm funny. That's a patchy story that has nothing to do with any of these people.

Yeah. But the final thing that they said is, Colegi said, almost all the narration is very close to a quote. Yeah, yeah, it is. It's super close.

The thing I read about the script is, so the script called for 70 uses of the word fuck, and the final release had 321. And they said half of those were patchy. Yeah. Yeah.

So he came out for like 160 bucks, and maybe he only had, in the script, maybe he only had like 30. So he went to award with that a bit. The previous all-time record was do the right thing at 240, like the year before, and yeah, the goodfellas was well over three minutes. That's okay.

I love that. Well, I think, you know, just looking at the nominees for Best Picture, I think there's been such a change in terms of how the Academy looks at Best Picture. So many of those are mainstream movies, like, Jesus with Wolves, like, was like any audience, any age pretty much was watching that movie. It was just like this epic film, and it happened to touch on a subject that, you know, maybe Academy feel really good about recognizing, and they tend to do that.

And oftentimes then in hindsight, they really miss the best picture that is, it has more of a societal or social impact, either on culture or on, you know, whatever. And now it's kind of flipped where it's so many independent and non-mainstream movies that probably if that would have happened now, Scorsese would have been more likely to have gotten recognized then, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, and we mentioned this before, but the violence, this was the most violent movie ever nominated for Best Picture. I think they had to take some scenes out that had like certain amount of blood in it that they had to take it out in order to get the R rating. Well, during the test screenings in the opening scene when Billy Bass is in the trunk and Peshi Stabs in Seven Times, and the audience, like, members of the test screening audience walked out, so it was too intense. So they whill that down and editing two, four times on screen, but only three more in audio for the most.

Right. So he still has to stand seven times. Right off the bat, instantly it's the most violent movie ever seen in life. I do really want to, one section if we can, but is try and like articulate your most dominant emotions or thoughts when you first saw it versus like your most recent viewing, at least for me, they were dramatically different.

Oh. All right. Hold that. We'll come back to that.

All right. All right. I'm going to throw out a handful of fun facts you guys can augment as you like. Polly, you had a bunch of music snuffed.

Do you want to get into that now or later? We can do it later, I think. I mean, you're the, you're the boss, but whatever, however you feel you want to shoot horn it in. Sort of, I put this into fun facts, but the music was a huge part of this movie, obviously.

Scorsese like had the music in his head and written down for like three months before production started and they were like shooting and editing or structuring scenes in real time. So that would go inside with the music that was playing on set even in that this was his most expensive movie for a sports easy, partially because of or largely because of the cost of buying all that, those songs and music for this movie. So my question is, watching this movie yesterday, right? Which song would you say is the theme song of the movie?

Is it Tony Bennett, Rags the Riches? I think that is for the first half or is it Gimme Shelter by the Rolling Stones, which is probably more than the third act, like the second half at least. Is there a theme song for this movie? Well, I, you have to nominate the Coda portion of Layla.

I guess so. The piano trills of the movie. Yeah. I think it's Rags the Riches.

I mean, come on, when you hear that, just that part right there, you think good fellas. You don't think of anything else, but good fellas. That's playing over the title in the book. I think that's the theme song, right?

Yeah. I think that is, yeah, I would agree with that. Even the music in the end is more a part of the period. It's not an over arch.

I don't think it's an over arching kind of description of the film. Right. Right. So when I was, it's probably a prep for that, because I heard you say that before I watched it, and so I paid a little bit more attention.

And the attention to detail on it is insane. Because I looked at the song that was playing the jukebox when Billy Baskets beat up in the bar. Right. Yeah.

It's Atlanta's by Donna and you're like, all these like parallels that you could draw, it's not what it seems. But it was like, they obviously, like you said, didn't just think of what musical will go well with this scene. It was almost like, okay, I had this song and how am I going to write the scene to use the most of it? Yeah.

Of course, not only this pit songs you liked or things that worked at the scene, but he had the only really had with the music was that it had to be available at that time. But you had to be of that time or before. So it wasn't like if this scene was in 1969, he would not play a song for 1972. Yeah.

I mean, these he will have, but everything totally pissed the period. Well, you might have checked this when you were looking at, but I think I read that there's like 46 individual songs that are in this movie. There's a lot. And there's a lot of, I've never heard of this band before, but you hear the song, the crystals, it's like one of those like, you know, bands back in the day.

Yeah. We didn't. Yeah. Like, like the war, you know, the sort of the girls that would get together when the guys were fighting the war, they were fighting the band together to like cheer up the troops or whatever.

The Andrews sisters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Which I love by the way, but there was a lot, there was a lot of that. But yeah, I really, as I was just going through the music, it's like, you just hear any of these songs and some of you don't even remember what the name was, or even, you know, the artist on it, but you're like, do, remember it in that movie? And so I kind of a pretty crazy. Well, even if you buy the soundtrack on, oh, say CD, the 20 songs on there, there's 40 or 50 in the movie.

Yeah. Even the soundtrack you buy doesn't contain all the songs. Right. There are definitely songs from this soundtrack that I've like gone from CD to downloading and now putting up in the cloud that I still carry around because I'm like carrying Nielsen and during the Manic Sunday scene at the end of the movie is like, I love this.

And it's so cool. So I think we all know a lot of the extras that were cast were actually connected guys. They were real, they were tidied in the mafia in some way. And with that, they all had fake social security numbers.

So they don't really how their paycheck, like how the paycheck and how they got their money actually worked because they were all like monsters. Like they're, they weren't going to give it a real, you know. So for the person to get in the rapshy, there's no record. Whenever you see De Niro flashing money in the movie, it's likely real.

So he was carrying around $5,000 in cash on set. Yeah. And apparently at the end of each day, nobody could leave until they counted back the $5,000 to make sure that people didn't walk off with it. When I was looking at the cast, I knew Catherine's horse A.D.

So his mother was Tommy's mother. But I didn't know that his dad was Vinnie. So Charles horse A.D. is Vinnie, which you're like, who is Vinnie?

When they go and Polly goes to jail and the guy is cooking up the old guy that's cooking with them, that's Charles horse A.D. Yeah. Yeah. And Papa's horse A.D.

is in the scene where Tommy gets whacked too. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't pull the trigger.

He didn't pull the trigger. He was kind of behind him. So the other famous improvised scene that we all know and love was when they visit Tommy's mom after they killed Billy Bats and put on there to get a shovel or whatever. And she needs to sit them down and make some food and showing them her painting tells her the story.

Shut up. You're always talking. Yeah. I didn't, I'd seen that.

I had a painting even online. I'll come up on your Facebook feed, whatever t-shirts and lugs and whatever. It was a painting based on a real photo that was in the November 1978 issue of National Geographic. I had no idea that was it.

Well, and the painting was actually done by Pileggi's mother. Right. Right. The one that was in the film.

Yeah. I'm a proud owner of a copy of that painting, I think, due to one ball graphic. I have it in my bathroom at my office hanging above my toilet. I had it on.

I had it on a pen. The other thing that I really liked about that, I found out about that scene that was improvised with Sazy's mom and everything else was that they didn't tell her what was happening in the story. Right. So she didn't know that they just came back from Pileggi Bats and that there was a dead body in the car.

She just was told, your son's coming over for dinner. You haven't seen him in a while and you're going to make them some food. And so that's why she like it was just this whole innocent mother who had no idea. He grabs the knife.

Yeah. She had no idea what was going on, which I thought made it really authentic and I thought it was a good thing. Yeah. I love it.

That's some of my favorite dialogue is from that scene. And I mean, we always, you always sort of focus in on the huff part because we, you know, we repeated that every second of every day. But my second favorite, and maybe even more than that, is when he's talking to his mother and she's like, why don't you get yourself a nice girl? And he's like, I get myself a nice girl every night.

She's like, why don't you settle down? He's like, I settle down. He's like, I settle down with you. I love you.

And that scene right there is just, it kills me. Because De Niro is like losing it too. He's like laughing at him and he gets mad at Tommy that's a good lie. Any interaction with his mother is actually pretty good.

And it reminds me of a lot of, I mean, if you've had interaction with old like Irish grandmothers or Irish or Italian grandmothers, they're always looking to feed you. They always want to sit down. They want to tell you what's going on. It's just so iconic and perfect.

Rob Nash? Could you repeat the question? I'm going to see if you have something to add. That's it.

Well, one thing, because I don't know where this fits, but I got to say after, you know, as I'm watching the movie and then as I'm kind of doing the readily apparent, you know, research, I was like clicking through hyperlinks because I'm like, oh yeah, what is that backstory, backstory, backstory? The movie I want to see made is of one Marty Krugman, AKA Maury in the movie. This guy's a real guy. Yeah.

Oh yeah. And his involvement with Burke and all of the, you know, real-life gangsters, so to speak, that are represented in the movie is so interesting where he was sort of connected but not connected and benefited but never at risk. And he was a real operator. And the only reason he got connected to any of them is just because his hair salon was near Henry's bar.

So it's like, it's so crazy. This guy's background. And the fact that Scorsese, did you see that he hired the owner of a small business in New York who had TV commercials and local TV commercials because he wanted him to like art direct, Maury's week. Yeah.

Yeah. I saw that in the movie. But this Marty guy did have a wig operation that did advertise consistently. So even Maury, who's kind of like, I thought, always thought of him just sort of like an amalgamation, you know?

Yeah. That's a very specific person. Yeah. It's a real guy in the book.

He's very similar to what he did on screen. Kind of dope. He's connected in all kinds of ways, like on accident. But he was running numbers at his business, right?

I mean, he's the sports book, he basically. And then his cover is, you know, the wigs and all the other bullshit he's in. Yeah. I love it.

When he went to Nero, wraps that phone cord around his head, it comes off and really Oda, cracking up is the greatest. But it's, I think that you're watching this morning, I'm like, it's almost like, because Henry Hill, you know, his laugh had dropped him. He's kind of over the top. Even now when you're like, oh, he's really cracking up.

And it's such a violent act. Like any more old person would be like, whoa, this is crazy. He's like laughing hysterical. Like he's never seen something.

Oh, he's like really, he's trying to kill him. He's trying to kill him. He's not right there. And I'm the only laughing man.

Okay. Oh, this. So right after a good fella's premiered, you know, at the end of the movie, you see the tag at the end or who's doing what, you know, where they are in jail or they died this year or whatever. And it talks about Henry Hill still being a witness protection program.

Sure. When the movie ended, he was as soon as the movie premiered and it was out, like he was out and about it doing all the talk shows talking to everybody. He like, outed himself and was kicked out of a witness protection program because he was Johnny Celebrity all of a sudden trying to get his 15 minutes of paint. And we saw him on Howard's going to show a good bunch of times.

He's a maniac. Well, I actually think that like, you know, as you mentioned, you read the book, you kind of realize that Henry is, and there's a certain extent of this in the movie, but he's a relatively low level sort of operator, right? And the whole thing. But the, I'm sorry, I just must have been inside.

The low level hood. But the movie, I mean, yeah, but I think he was a survivor, right? He knew how to navigate the world and he got connected and was in the right place and all those kind of things. I think the fact that he had to go into witness protection, but then he had to step back and look at the world and said, all the guys that would have a reason to come after me are gone.

Or it's one of those things like, I'm in danger if I try and stay hidden, but if I step out into the bright spotlight, then no one would dare do anything to me. It's almost equivalent. If you're so popular, it would be hard to touch on just as if he was completely hidden in witness protection. I also think he couldn't stand it that all of this was going on around him and he couldn't be a part of it.

So he's like, fuck it. I have to be the center on this. I'm going to get out of the head and go fuck it. So, you know, the movie, My Blue Heaven is intended to be the comedic sequel of Goodfellas, which came out a month before.

Oh, really? So, yes. So there's kind of two movies that are obviously more closely based on his life than the other, but about him. Yeah, totally.

Well, the real kicker, Nora Afron's husband is, Plessy. Plessy, yeah. So they kind of were both tackling similar stuff better, but yeah, the whole fish out of water with, you know, Henry in the suburbs was the... Right.

At least he's taking the final scene where he's standing at the door in the bathrobe, picking up the newspaper is when My Blue Heaven is supposed to pick up. Yeah, wow. Okay. Oh, to initiate Really Ode into the world of mafia movies, De Niro put a fake severed horse hand in his trailer.

Don't make it. Of course. I thought it was kind of a weak joke. Well, kind of simple.

If it would have been real, it would have been better. Or certain, what interesting. You're telling me De Niro can't find a real horse head? Yeah, come on.

Because you've been able to set up the other half of the horse. Right. In the final scene of the movie, Joe Pescien is shooting at gun directly at the camera. It's in reference to the Great Train Robert E.

in 1903 Seinfeld. Why? I don't know. No, Marge.

Of sorts. I've got some drink trivia questions. If you have two of them, I should let you go. Yes.

We were talking about that a lot. Yeah. So what's Jimmy Conway's drink when we first meet him? Seven.

And what drink does Tommy ask Spider for? What are you shooting for? Cutty and water. Cutty and water.

That's a good one. And Brendan almost had a heart attack when I think they were drinking a green amin. Oh, yeah. What is it going to prison drink?

I was going to ask. I think it was a green. It was so. It was super great.

Yeah. It was like drinking history. Yeah. I don't know what that is, but I don't want any part of that drink.

I don't know what Man of Shevitz is either. In the fortified wine or something. I don't know. You know when they're out to the double date and he talks about you'd like Man of Shevitz, but you know what I mean?

Man of Shevitz is a line of kosher food and wine and drinks. It's like a good housekeeping seal for you. You got it? I noticed a lot of crown royal.

Mostly empty bottles. Mostly empty bottles. Not a crown royal. A lot of, well, cut you.

Sorry. Yeah. Cut you off. What do I notice a lot when I when I rewatch it last week?

Henry get slapped a lot by Polly. Like he's flapping around all the time. It took like a larry. I didn't remember that.

So I thought every time you he got like a one on one way. I think it's like a smack in the face. It's so funny bring that up. Cause I'm like the next time I watch it.

I gotta remember to just like tick off the number of times that could get slapped. It's got it. Oh, it's more than that. I mean, absolutely.

It's at least a dozen times. Cause usually it's like two in a conversation. like you'll do it at the beginning and then like kind of at the end. That's not conversation slip.

Yes. That's how I'm like, were you Paulie? The other thing that I got when I was going through that I forgot how much I love this character is Tutti. Tutti is like my favorite character and I would go back through all the scenes but Tutti was in Never Without a Cigar.

Tutti is every single scene that you see Tutti. And then I thought at the end you didn't see Tutti anymore but then he snuck back in at some point and he was like, he didn't look much older than he did at the beginning. He was way at the very end. It wasn't.

I thought it was. No, I don't think he may have pulled the trigger. I thought he pulled the trigger. I thought that was Tutti but.

Yeah, no, I think it was for Tommy. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

Tutti is at the end as well as sitting down. I don't think Tutti killed Tommy. I'm almost positive. It's another guy that looks like him but it's not Tutti.

Tutti is shorter and wider. You're prejudiced against telling him? He's a bit of a little guy. He wishes he was big just once.

He wishes he was big just once. Sons of bitches. All right. Let's move on to casting issues.

Cast conditions. Yeah. This is just quick hits on how people were cast. Is there anything in there or who was almost cast for indoor?

Real quickly, DeNiro was just given the roles for Mike and Tutti. Really? I think wasn't he given a choice between Henry and Jimmy? I think I saw that and he chose Joe's.

Really? He liked him in addition and some pre-disrupted as well. Lorraine Bronco did not audition. She did not audition for Scorsese's film after Howard's five years previous.

He liked her in that but he couldn't use her but he remembered her and said I'll teach you something eventually. She thought he was going on off and she got the call to have lunch at dinner with Ray, Leona, and Scorsese and that was just given it basically. Scorsese thought Pecci was too old. But looked too old at least.

So Pecci couldn't get the role. Then he had some Hollywood makeup artist make him up to make him look like a book younger. And then he showed Scorsese's like, yeah. Well, that's so funny because in looking into it, Tommy in real life was like a huge strapping like fit guy.

He was big. I read that too. I think every pecci character is like a huge guy. Like every movie that he's definitely the little guy.

I'm sure every movie that he presents is usually the type of guy in movies. I went down the rabbit hole looking for Tommy because they said he was this guy and he clicked there. So I went to like Google images. So I see the ton of pictures of this guy and he was like big.

He was like the rock. That's quite that big but big. The rock. Did I see that Alec Baldwin?

Sorry. Yeah. So here's who was almost cast. At least as far as I could find.

If you have anything to refute it or add to it, feel free. Henry Hill, these guys were considered in some way to be Henry Hill. Tom Cruise. No.

Yeah. I know. Alec Baldwin. John Pen and Val Kilmer.

What? I don't get the Val Kilmer. Sean Pen is Henry Hill in 1990. I don't know.

The only other one I saw for Karen. It was a combo with Henry Hill. They wanted these two together potentially. The studio heads and the studio whoever wanted one of these two was Tom Cruise as Henry Hill and Madonna as Karen.

What is terrible movie? A terrible movie. That's why I couldn't stand him. I thought he was really obnoxious.

That would be great. One of the things I saw was that Paul Sorbyno was trying to back out on the day before he was set to film or something like that. And his agent or somebody set to sleep on it, we think you're the right person. think you're the right person.

But Paul Soreveno's like, I don't have like the coldness of Paul to play Pauli. And he was kind of pissed that he couldn't get out of it and he looked in the mirror and he saw the brooding anger in his own reflection because he was mad about the situation and he's like, okay, I can play the part. He's quietly, I sneakily very good in this movie. Yeah, he's good.

Okay, people who are almost cast, we did who we'll can tell me. I don't have to tell me. I wrote down Scorsese for somebody. That would have been good casting.

I had Pacino on Jimmy Conway. Yeah, I did that too. He was getting like a tight cast. A little late for that.

Yeah. Also for Jimmy Conway was John Elkovich. Oh, I saw that. And William Peterson from CSI.

Yeah. All right, now everyone's favorite. Recast and bait. Better close the door.

It's time to be cast or bait. I have a lot of problems with this. This was a very stress. This was the most stressful one for me.

I don't even want to participate really. I've got a couple good ones, I think, but it was stressful. Focus on the core floor and that's Henry Hill, Tommy D'Amita, Jimmy the James and Karen Hill. And then if you have some wild others, wild cards or whatever, throw them out there as well.

But we're doing spider. Yes, of course we are. I'm just saying the main four are the focus. Who wants to go first with Henry Hill?

I've got one good one. I have trouble with him. I've got one, but I don't know that I have to go first, but I got one. All right.

Four of the listening public, you may not listen to every episode and I'm talking about like 15 people that listen to this. This is recasting this old movie with modern day actors. So all right, can we help with that? All right.

So my pick was Jack Houston. From he was in War Walk Empire. He played the guy with a partial face. He is Angelica Houston's son, I think.

What's his age? I think he's in his 30s. So I think it'll work. And he still looks pretty young.

They have to be in their 20s 30s because if they are, I think everything else was awful. Yeah, I know. I forgot the time shift part. And I talked about this where, you know, it's the movie covers 15, at least 15 years of the adult life of Henry Hill.

So the actor you choose should be in the ballpark of the actor that replaced it. I think that's what I'm going to fall short. But Leona was 35 and he played Henry from like age 20 or something. I had the caprio.

That's of course, he's like a two guy. And I was trying to think of somebody who has because it's the voice too. I mean, all the narration that Ray Leona does for the movie is that's just as important as his scenes. And you got to think of somebody who has sort of an iconic voice.

I mean, I don't know if the caprio has an iconic voice, but I thought that was probably pretty close to being able to. Yeah, the time shifts is all off. I thought Chris Prime might be able to do it. Fine.

Excuse me, Chris. Yeah. The star track. Yeah.

Yeah. The other person I had and it's so ridiculous, but for Henry Hill was Adam Driver. No way. Playing the quiet kind of the quiet guy, but can harness the anger.

I got to and I'm not so one of them. So I'm just going to throw it out there because I think I little faith in my own choices. So using the boardwalk empire as the kickoff with you, I go with Michael Pitt or really on a which is the early main guy of the young kid, Jimmy Dormedy. Oh, the blonde kid?

Yeah, with the pinky blindies. Or I thought maybe James McAvoy doing a American accent. Yeah, I think they both turn up all flat. I got nothing for him to go.

Anybody else have anything for that? Or do we move on to Tommy? Right. Tommy, Rob Nash.

I'm looking at my answer to that. I'm laughing because I clearly was influenced by the, you know, point made that real life Tommy was fit and bigger. I can myself up here. I'm following your lead as a member.

You might have the same ridiculous guy here. I have Chris Hemsworth. Whoa. Not as funny or Jason Momma.

How are you? I have to. I can't. Aquaman.

Oh, Aquaman and Thor playing. It sounds even more ridiculous. What do you say? Wow.

Okay. I thought, I mean, I don't think anyone could be like on their feet funny. Like he was. Oh, no, no, no.

So I was just trying to think about what was kind of a, I don't real question about Tommy in one scene though after we go through the whole cast. All right. I'm going to throw mine out because I just want to. Change it up.

I've got to, I kind of like him equally. Jeremy Strong from Succession. Uh huh. He can be a good Tommy.

He's kind of got that. Yeah. I like that. Kind of a little guy.

I'm an asshole. Yeah. Uh, here's one that he's not as little. He might be too old, but I mean, we can use that, uh, de-aging technology from the Irishman.

Bobby, kind of, all right. Oh, that's who I had. I think that's. I had him too.