Pubcast 66: The Quiet Man

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Sit down and enjoy your punch. Welcome to the Quiet Man episode of the Popcast. This is essentially a palate cleanser after the wild Cannonball Run episode. The Quiet Man is a very different kind of movie than all the others we've done on the Popcast.

It's almost 70 years old and the word most often used to describe it is charming. So Eric and Allison join me to break down this John Wayne classic. The movie looks like a postcard of a romanticized Irish village. It's quirky and funny and odd and filled with interesting characters and amazing scenery.

It also has one of the greatest fights in the history of film. So throw a punch, grab a pint and listen up as we break down the Quiet Man. I'd like to tell you about the Quiet Man. He's John Wayne in a picture you'll soon be cheering.

It's the story of Sean Thornton, a right-end ended man who came from America to forget his past in industry. There he met a fiery redheaded lass and the village marriage program went to work. That's a pretty bonnet you have on. Bonnet.

Don't you be talking to me about bonnets. Have to leave a mind, stock up there like it. Easy, Leo. Have the good manners not to hit the man or tease your husband and it totally hits you back.

Then her blood of a brother Red Will Danner, refused to pay her rifle dowry. There'll be no locks or bolts between us and Rekate, except those in your own mercenary little heart. Mary Kate left him to go to Dublin. But he caught her at the station and brought her back with the whole town watching him do it.

I'll pay you. Never. Then the fight was on. A fight they're still talking about in the ministry.

It's a wonderful picture. The finest ever brought to the screen by John Ford and he's won three Academy Awards. His direction makes unforgettable. The performances of John Wayne, Marino Harris, Barry Fitzgerald and Victor McLaughlin.

All right. The Quiet Man, 1952. This is our oldest movie by far, which is interesting because there's a plethora of trivia and like production notes and information behind the scenes that a lot of more recent movies don't have. Yeah.

Which is interesting. But all right. The no nonsense plot. Retired American boxer returns to the village of his birth land, of his birth in Ireland, where he falls for a spirited redhead whose brother is contemptuous of their union.

Great. No nonsense. That actually is not as bad as the other ones. No.

The plot of this movie is extraordinarily simple. So it's good that it's, you know, fine. My normal first question is where were you when you saw it? When did you see it?

Whatever. I don't know that we have, I mean, we can, we all saw it on TV or VHS or something. So I don't know about that. I mean, I think I saw it for the first time with you guys.

Yeah. I mean, I knew of it. It wasn't like a highly regarded movie in my house that we knew about. I knew of it just by sort of Fosmosis.

It was kind of around. But I never watched it. I'd seen a scene here or there, maybe the ETC, you know, whatever we can talk about later. But I didn't really know much about it until you guys, you know, however long I think I made you watch it.

And you were at first, you were a bit hesitant. I'm like, just watch it. That's a nice movie. John Wayne movie.

I know. John Wayne, when he's not being a cowboy, what? Yeah. I think we watched it.

Our parents had it on television, like it was playing on like one of the five channels that we could get. And maybe there had to be like an aerial adjustment in order to get the correct channel. Would it have been VHS? Yeah.

That was the television. It was on television first. And we had like this dial thing that turned the TV antenna to be able to get different channels that were further away. And I think that's what we had to do to get this.

Yeah. Well, the legend, I get the legend that as I remember it was on yeah, you and Jeff channel channel, Tina Milwaukee, this was right after mom and dad bought their first VCR. I think I was seven. What do we got?

Got that first VCR. And they were in an attempt, like Allison said, we had the dial in our living room that was essentially hooked up to a motor that would turn the aerial. So you wouldn't have to manually do it. Wow.

But in an attempt to get the best picture possible when they were recording this on TV, I believe the story goes dad actually did get up on the roof and was yelling down to mom, dad turning the antenna. How's this? How's this yelling down to my mom to get the best picture possible recording this movie off of a UHF broadcast. Yeah.

Can you see it now? How about now? Oh my God. So let's just go into box office performance.

You can expand off of that. Yep. So this movie now, these are I have $19.52 and I have adjusted for modern day. It's not okay.

What I found, it's not exactly 2020, but it's close enough. You can ballpark it. So I'm gonna give you the top 10 of 1952 actual and adjusted. Okay.

If you want both those numbers, but I'll go actual and we can add just okay. Okay. Number one, greatest show on earth. Okay.

32.9 million. Okay. This is Cinorama. The snows of Kilimanjaro, 18 million.

Ivanhoe, 17.4 million. Hans Christian Anderson, 16.7 million. Singing in the rain, 12.4 million. That's it.

Wow. So one, two, three, four, sixth for singing in the rain. Sarah B. Ware, I don't know what Sarah B.

Ware is, 11.9. The original Mulan Rouge, 11.8 for eighth place. Jumping jacks, jumping jacks, 11.1 for ninth. And the quiet man hits number 10 at 10.6 million.

It was made for a budget of 1.75 million. So it was five times the budget. Right. Yeah.

So 10 million back then is adjusted for approximately 175 million now. Wow. Yeah. So it's 548,467,389, 277, 206, 198, 196, 185, and quiet man at 175 adjusted.

Wow. I don't know how you do the math on the adjustments or how they did the math on the adjustments on this list, but whatever. So quiet man, a top 10 movie in box office. Yeah.

I guess it's just, I don't know, the pull of John Wayne and Marine O'Hara. Yeah. But it's interesting. We talk about, yeah, John Ford.

Yeah. When you talk about the 175, 180 million adjusted, the, we've had top 10s where number 10 was equivalent of like 70 million, 40 million, something like that. Like that's a giant number. Giant numbers.

And it's, you know, how many movies were out at that time, TV and other distractions. That's how you watch stuff was going to the movie theater. You can have television and every household. Yeah.

And it's, it's pretty evenly spread out. Like you don't have, I mean, the top one was 500 million. Great. You don't have the $2 billion Marvel movie that eats up, you know, a third of the box office that year or whatever.

So I'm sorry, Eric, you're going to say something? No. He said John Ford was that. Oh, yeah.

You know, speak on director, Rick. Yeah. That's the point. At that point, he'd already made like the grace of wrath and a couple others.

So he was a big deal. But then yeah, totally. What do you think the rotten tomato score was for the quiet? Let's go audience first and then critics.

This one is interesting. I didn't expect this. First octobolt of honestly, but audience. I'm going to say audience is 80%.

Eric, 75. Audience score was 91%. Whoa. Yeah.

Nice. What do you think the critic score was? I'm going to think the critics liked it and I'm going to say 90. Wow.

Eric, I am going to, I will stick with my audience. I'll say 75 again. The critic score was also 91%. Oh, okay.

Critics in audience. That's one of our combined, if you combine both of those or average both of those, one of our best scored movies we've done, I think. It's, I mean, it's out there. Yeah.

Just, is it surprising? I know this is a well-liked film, but it's a different kind of movie. It's not the John Wayne shoot them up. You know?

Yeah. But I think the, I think the more, you know, we're in like four movies together, movies together. I think. And then Perry Fitzgerald was in a lot of movies too.

So what's his face? Danner. Oh, yeah. Victor McLaughlin.

Yep. They're all like big. It's father, Lana again. Yeah.

They're all like, well-known guys. Yeah. Ward Bond was another one of those John Ford regulars. He was in his life.

It's not quite Ocean's 11 with Clooney and his crew, but feels like that. Like it's a lot of actors that have their own careers outside of this movie that are coming together for like a, an Avengers symbol type of deal. You know? Yeah.

I'm not happy that, but you know, I think I'll start cast, right? Yeah. So this movie in the 1953 Academy Awards was nominated for seven awards and one two. It won John Ford, one for Best Director, the quiet man, beating Joseph Mankowitz for Five Fingers, Cecil B.

DeMille for The Greatest Show on Earth and Fred Zinniman for High Noon. I'm not. And John Houston for Millen Rouge. So I don't know enough about these millions even comic books.

Well, if you listen to that, it's, they're all in top 10 grossing movies, which is not what happens anymore. They also won for Best Cinematography. But it was interesting to me, this is a specific category, not just Best Cinematography. Best Cinematography Color.

This movie was in color as opposed to Black and White. So there was a Black and White category as well. Oh, interesting. That doesn't have any more.

Yeah. So they won for that. They did not win for Best Picture. They did not win for Best Supporting Actor.

They, or Adapted Screenplay, Production Design, or Sound Mixing. They're nominated. Best Supporting Actor was Victor McLachlan, McLachlan, Lil' Danner. So he was the nomination for that.

And Best Picture, The Quiet Man Lost, or was nominated with High Noon, Ivanhoe, Millen Rouge, and The Greatest Show on Earth, which is that one. Got it. So. Black and Big Time Movie.

I mean, that's all you can say is it's top 10 grossing that year and has seven nominations and two winners. I mean, you know, we were at a party with a bunch of people with Irish last names and half of them hadn't seen it. I remember it really. Yeah.

There's a lot. Yeah. It's a movie that either, if people have seen it, they've seen it like two dozen times. If they've not seen it, they've never even heard of it.

It's not, oh, yeah. I never got around. It's never that. Oh, and for those listening who may not know, this movie is held in high regard by Irish people, basically.

It's sort of a postcard to Ireland. It's very, you know, cinema graphic. Picture-esque. You know, when we visited Ireland, we went to the town where this was shot.

We saw the cottage and the old, you know, the tavern that was the car. The bar. The pub that wasn't really a pub. Here we pronounce it.

Cohen. All that stuff. Yeah. So it's a tourist attraction.

And, you know, they still talk about John Wayne and Maureen O'Hara and they are essentially monuments to them in this picture. And apparently the town calls the tourists that come there quiet and crazies. Just called them Americans, to be honest. Well, apparently the the white amorn that he sees at the beginning where it looks kind of like broken down, a lot more broken down.

But that cottage that they show there is hardly there anymore because Americans and tourists kept stealing stones from that cottage. So like, apparently, apparently like there's hardly anything left of it. But isn't there? I thought I read somewhere that there is still a replica nearby.

Yeah. There are two. I didn't write down where the second one is. One is in common.

We visited, we were in and it's essentially a, you know, brick by the museum. It's like a museum, essentially. With, you know, it's the cottage. It's got the bike and it's got their clothing in there.

And it's the bed and the whole deal. There is another one in another city, another nearby city outside of Chombe, a similar type of deal, maybe not the museum type situation, but there's more than one. Yeah. Okay.

Let's dive in this review. We're kind of there already. The two, there's so much stuff here. I don't even know what the gate, what the, yeah, it's interesting how much is out there for this.

Let's start with the name. Republic pictures head, Herbert Yates, whoever. Just like the title and one that filmed to be renamed the prize fighter and the Colleen. Oh, that's a terrible name.

The terrible name. The two lead characters, Sean and Mary Kate were named after director John Ford's first name in Irish, John Sean, and the two ladies, John Wayne loved the most. Mary, his wife and Kate was Captain Ever. Well, Mary Kate, yeah, John, but this was an adapted screenplay.

So that they didn't keep the names from whatever the screenplay was. I would assume not, but yeah. Here. Marina Hera in that scene where she slaps John Wayne in the face and he puts his hand up.

Yeah. She broke her hand. Oh, really? She broke her hand and I was like one of the first days of shooting and she couldn't then get a rap set.

All of these other shots to do and she couldn't have a cast or a rap hand in one scene and not another scene and all that stuff. So broken hand early on and had to just deal with it. She went through the ringer with this movie and I don't know if you were going to talk about this, but apparently like John Wayne and John Ford were going to kind of goof around with her and in the scene where John Wayne is going to drag her through the field to get back to Will Danner, to demand the dowry. It was a sheep field and they kept kicking sheep poop into the pathway.

So she would get drugged through it and she caught wind of it and would get rid of it. And it went back and forth like a couple of times and they kicked it in the pathway one final time, like right before filming was supposed to start. And so she gets drugged, literally dragged through shit for that scene. And then they had a plan to not give her a towel or any water to wipe down.

So she just smelled all day. And she was super annoyed and super mad, but at the same time, thought it was very funny and just very, you know, there was a lot of like pranks and good fun and stuff like that that happened on on set. I just found the name. So the one replica or village cottage is in the village of Kong we talked about where much of the film was shot.

There is also replica of the fast route cottage located at MAM Cross in County Galloway. So that's right. I knew it had two A's in a row. Yeah, and AAM.

So this is one of the few movies certainly at the time, but even since then, really, that features people speaking in Gaelic, you know, it was a big Hollywood type movie. The others are Darby O'Gill and the Little People. That's the one with Sean Connery that is ridiculous. The wind that shakes the barley in 2006 and the guard in 2011.

The color green can be seen somewhere in every shot in the film, but not on any of the actors costumes except for Moreno-Hara's green floral dress in the cemetery scene. I saw that and then I was went back and looked. It's not on their clothing, but it is a part of like ribbons and bonnets and the the tan that Moreno-Hara is in is green. I think it's like a dark green.

Yeah, I mean, a lot of the stuff is. Yeah, I mean, none of it's emerald green. I think the only emerald green were a couple of ribbons of the horse race on the bonnets. The widow to Lan and Mary Kate both had kind of greenish ribbons in their bonnets.

Yeah. The scene where he pulls her in on the winning night in the cottage and does the kiss. That was if anyone doesn't know the ET scene when he pulls the girl in and he's drunk because the ET was drunk at home, right? And he gets watching the client.

Yeah. And he releases the fobs and whatever and he pulls her in and does the kiss and does the step on the guy with the kid who falls below. He's too short for the girl. He says step on the kid's back to get the kiss.

That's an exact or nearly exact, you know, shopper shot remake of the client man scene. Yeah, I on a side note, I remember when ET was first released on home video. Yeah. Very early 90s, maybe it was long after, long after ET had originally come out.

This was the one they released it on video. I remember. And I'm dad had bought that ET for us. And so we were all sitting down to watch ET for the first time since we had seen it in the theater.

And that scene came on from the quiet man. And at this point, even though this was like the early 90s, I was maybe barely a teenager. I already knew the quiet man that well. Yeah.

We all like all of us jumped up out of our seats. Not when obviously didn't know quite then when we were little kids, but even when even dad had forgotten that that's that scene from the quiet man was in ET and we all got super excited immediately when that scene came on from the quiet man in the middle ET. We all went nuts. Yeah.

If you've seen one or the other, it's kind of memorable. And then when you see it in the other film, you're like, Oh, clearly these are, you know, inspired by each other. Yeah, it's great. When that that goes, that's maybe the most obvious connection between Spielberg and John Ford.

I mean, yeah, watching this movie, if you know that Spielberg was inspired or influenced by John Ford a lot, you can see a lot of Spielberg kind of shots. You know, it's not super obvious, but you can kind of sense a Spielberg feel with that. I mean, some of the white shots and stuff. Okay, Barry Fitzgerald, who plays the character of McLean O'Flynn and Arthur Shields, who played the Reverend, Reverend, play fair, our brothers in real life.

Yeah, wow. And when you look at them, when you look at them, it's like, Oh, of course they are brothers. The number of siblings in or just a family total in the quiet man is unreal. So not only are McLean and the brothers, Marina Hera, Father Paul, and one of the two, like IRA guys, for like a better term, those two guys are always around.

They're all brothers and sisters. The very, very old man that's in every scene in the movie is John Ford's brother. I know. And the kids and the kids at the horse race in the wagon, I think are John Wayne's kids.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to keep track and you go on a list of who's who, but it's like most of this movie is just made up of siblings and relations and cousins and friends and acquaintances.

It was like a family movie. Yeah, totally. This, whenever I saw this movie up until now, I always thought about this and I thought it was weird and then I would forget about it and not think about it forever. But now that I read it and we'll get to the recasting, this is something to consider if you guys haven't already.

Maureen O'Hara was 31. Her character playing her brother, McGlaglin, was just short of 65. Yeah, he's 64 years old. Yeah.

What in the world? Well, and I saw that that he wasn't in the greatest of health. So they had to they had to be really careful with that fight scene. And there's definitely I noticed it today when I rewatch it when he gets punched into the river.

Yeah. Yeah. There is not even a close resemblance of the stuntman that's in the water and will down her like that guy's got a full head of black hair and like he's much more slight like it is there is it's not even close. I want to say that that was I think it's John Ford's son.

I was just going to say I think it's I think it's a relative of the director also doing the stunt. Yeah. And clearly it wasn't him doing the that racquet kick to the face. No, no, no, no.

So I want to so I want to jump in for a moment because it's so so there's a couple things. So one if you were going to get into this I apologize but you commented on this the other night when we were watching it and that was why is it that some of the sets are so like blatantly like either like a sound stage type thing or just not great backgrounds and then the rest is like this beautiful on set the scene for that. So Eric we're watching it and they're going over it's really on the stone bridge on John Wayne's trip from the the train station and they're clearly in the place like that's John Wayne and like actors are on the little horse carriage and they're going over the stone bridge and they do like a close you know closer inset and they're on this paper mache bridge and it's clearly in a set. I mean they're in some sound stage somewhere probably shot months later in the US or who knows when they were there they could have just shot that while they were there and had it looked like it actually belonged to that scene and I don't know why they didn't I mean maybe it was some sort of a pickup or the you know the needs changed or the script changed in some way or whatever fine but it seemed like it was a throwaway scene almost it didn't really wasn't a big deal.

I don't know why they didn't shoot that there and there's a lot of those where they use a set when they appears they could have used the location where they shot almost all the movie. I think in most cases it was when they are in motion and trying to capture dialogue. Yeah with the exception of that scene with him on the bridge but for the most part that's what it was and John Wayne loved this movie it's like what his top three of all the his favorite movies but he commented you know it was a relatively big budget for this movie doing so much on site and on location everything and he was he had expressed a lot of disappointment in how he had all this stuff. How it came out because it was just such a stark difference to what everything else in the film was of being on location and all of that it just wasn't as authentic.

I mean it's not uncommon for that to happen in that period of course in the 50s you see that a lot but it just seemed strange like they were definitely there they could have just shot that right there why not just do it then and to not be able to replicate that whatsoever in the studio is weird. Yeah so I've got two more little things so one is the chapel the church where John Wayne plays patty fingers in the holy water but that chapel is a Protestant chapel it is not a catholic church and there was a big to do about them wanting to use that church with something that is so clearly catholic with having a holy water font like that that they were upset that it was even outside like it was supposed to be a scene inside and they absolutely refused to bring a catholic symbol into their church and so they were able to kind of agree to do it outside but that was that's not normally where we did but in order to get people to use the church that they wanted they had to agree to doing that so I thought that was interesting and then the last thing which Brennan saw me checking out something at the this afternoon so after they throw the money into the burning engine thing and they walk away first I want to credit whatever sound man came up with the sound effect of Will Danher getting punched in the summit is so great oh like it is such a like it's such a good sound it's like a bud and like oh it's so good but the first punch that Danher throws at John Wayne either his toupee got knocked off or he didn't have his toupee on under his cap because he's got clearly got a cap on but when he's on the ground he clearly is missing a lot of hair and I hadn't ever really realized that about John Wayne but it's not just he's got a receding hairline he's like bald like kind of in the back also so then like watching that movie a couple of other scenes earlier I'm like oh that's clearly a toupee like I wasn't ever I never really paid much attention to it but what I what I then looked at that scene and it's there for like a second and a half like you got to be looking for it to notice it I read that it didn't look for it but that I read it and I did look for it and I started laughing when I saw it yeah I read it and I did not look for it but I can't believe I was the one doing the researcher going back to the source I know I thought this was interesting that in this Irish film the you know Mr. America John Wayne during all the scenes with the horses everybody else has English saddles yeah yeah an American saddle you know US Army issue cavalry saddle of course John Wayne come on and then one more thing I had was adjusting for inflation Mary Kate Danner's dowry of 350 pounds in 1925 which I guess is where the movie was at would be approximately 23,000 or 25,000 US dollars the one other thing that I did not quite pick up so it's mikaleen og flinn oge so the en at the end of a name means little and then og is young so John Wayne toward the beginning when he they're riding in a carriage back to town from the train station he calls him little young Michael Flynn from you know like so he translates that name of mikaleen og flinn to young you know little young Michael Flynn who used to wipe my nose when I was a kid I'm like oh that's I didn't really ever make that connection that it was more of a translation than a yeah and for the first 10 times I saw it I thought it was og flinn yeah I didn't know it was og or whatever you know I think it was og flinn yeah but I didn't realize the and at the end it meant little so like Kathleen is yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I did not for this movie didn't find anything on quick look and I wasn't gonna put any effort into it because of the John Ford John Wayne Marino here connections but there's like I didn't find any casting issues any how people are cast who almost got the roles or whatever I'm sure all this was pretty much once John Ford was on board he was getting these people to this movie I can't imagine there was you know so and so was up the role but didn't get it or whoever whatever other actor might have been considered but scheduling complex I didn't see any of that stuff yeah I yeah there I would definitely say that there's nothing like that John Ford had like his soccer factors and he just held this person to be there this time I had read a I read a book several years ago that was about the making of the searchers that's very much how John Ford worked it he and he was very very particular even the way he would shoot movies he would shoot as little as possible to get like so that could literally could only be one version of a movie so that no one could change it on a behind his back right so he knew exactly what he wanted from the very beginning so and he would if I remember he's trying to get this movie made for 10 years if not more yeah exactly who we wanted to be in this movie and I think it was always gonna be John Wayne and Maureen I think that's why they're all older than they were supposed to be oh sure you know he just got his people yeah like I don't care how old you are if you fit we're gonna make you fit into the whole time so speaking so speaking of John Ford being like real particular about his movie how his movie is made and such that when he finished the film it was two hours and nine minutes long and I can't remember the production company but they basically said you know we are not releasing a movie that is longer than 120 minutes go back and re-edit it he's like there's nothing else to cut here I can't do it and they're like you're gonna have to figure it out we are not releasing a movie that is longer than a hundred minutes so he they show it at a screening and it starts playing and at 120 minutes the screen goes black lights go up and it was in the middle of the fight he did anything he ended the movie with you know the last nine minutes which is the big fight scene and all of that stuff and the audience is like what the hell and he's like see I told you they want to watch the last nine minutes of film and so he got his two hours and nine minutes yeah I thought you were gonna say that they purposefully over cranked or you guys the term over cranks you know sped up some of the footage to get under that thing and there are a few points in the movie where it's definitely people are moving too fast and it's over it gets sped up a little bit the fight scene where they're in the hay yes the pile of hay right yeah right that part should take 30 seconds and it takes 12 seconds like it's like everybody's like flipping around and stuff is in the air yeah yeah well then let's let's dive into recastorate all right better goes the door it's time to be castor bait all right this is another one that is top heavy as hell which is good and we're gonna focus on the core four which is Sean Thornton Mary Kate Danner, Will Danner and Micheline Swint and then after that a bunch of wildcards I put some names to Father Larrigan and I put the widow Sarah Teline, Teline, but you may have randoms you want to throw in great we'll do that too. Should we start with Sean?

Sure. Alright I have four and I have two extras but I'm gonna save those I don't want to take everyone's names so I have two that I didn't pick for a specific reason. Sean, big guy, former boxer, it's John Wayne, American, doesn't have to be all those things but that's kind of who you're shooting for. So in fourth well these are all in second place Ty and I have a number one.

So I've got John Krasinski, I thought he was a last minute edition, Hugh Jackman I thought I could do it. I like that he's Australian. Okay. Chris Hemsworth.

Okay. I wasn't sure about that one but he fixed the bill. The one I'm going for is playing against type in every possible way. Idris Elba.

What? Idris Elba is my John Thornton. Get out of here. We're gonna call him Black Irish.

Yeah. He's way too old. Well Sean Thornton John Wayne was 45. Right.

So Idris is like 50. That's right. No but. They have Will Danner and 65 in his movie.

I know but dude. So I'm going to tell Idris Elba and I'm meaning different movie. Wow. All right.

All right. All right. All right. Um, I came up with a couple.

I don't know. I, uh, I don't really, I don't, I got three names here. I don't really have a favorite among the three. Um, but I have sort of on the same lines as Brendan.

Uh, well, two of my three are American but still sort of the big boxer type guy I guess. Um, I guess one of them is even, I guess has played a boxer in the past but, um, I have to go ahead and handle. Um, yeah. Ryan Gosling and Jake Gyllenhaal.

Oh. Jake Gyllenhaal. Gosling? I think it's a little slight.

But that's all right. I can make these work. Gyllenhaal. I didn't think of Gyllenhaal.

Mm hmm. I have, yeah. I am shocked that none of mine were picked. Um, so I found this character to be the heart like really hard to cast because I didn't feel like there are a ton of people that really kind of fit this bigger than life kind of actor.

No, I know. So, um, my number three, um, who's not bigger than life, but the other two, I think, works. So number three is Sebastian Stan, who plays Bucky in, um, the Avengers movies. Number two, Ryan Reynolds.

Yeah. Mm hmm. And number one is Chris Pratt. Yeah.

I thought about him too. Yeah. That's a good one. Chris Pratt and Ryan Reynolds.

I said no to, I didn't include. I thought they had for lack of better term, uh, too much personality. You know, that they, Ryan Reynolds for sure, Chris Pratt, I can play that one. I thought about that too, because that was actually one thing that John Wayne said that was really hard was playing the straight man through the whole movie with all of this character happening around him that it was, was difficult, but I thought, I kind of like the idea of those people being in those scenarios with all of this cookiness around him.

Yeah. That's good. The two that I didn't pick, um, and I'll say, I mean, make sure I'm right on this, uh, I thought they could play a couple different places and I didn't put them anywhere. Uh, we're Matt Damon and Bennett Black.

No, I thought about, uh, then Affleck. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right.

Let's move on to Mary Kate. We don't all have the same number one. I'll be shocked. Hmm.

This is interesting. I really, I really will be shocked. All right. Then you go first.

Really? Yeah. Okay. Give us your Mary Kate's.

So my number three is Emma Stone. Emma Stone is my number three. Okay. My number two, um, is Katriana Balf.

Good Lord. I don't know if that's exactly how you pronounce her name. She is in Outlander. She was in, um, the main, the main girl in the man.

Yeah. Yeah. Number one, Sertia Ronan. My number three was Emma Stone.

My number two was Margot Robbie. My number one was Sertia Ronan. Yeah. All right.

Eric. Um, yeah. I'm gonna want to see Sertia Ronan. Damn it.

So that's one thing. When I started getting into a lot of these, I mean, besides the John Mink character, the thing you have to think of is can they pull off theoretically in Irish accent, even though most people in this movie have English accents or attempting an Irish accent, you want to have them be able to do it and pull it off. Right. And that's why I didn't include some people because I'm a guy.

I can't see that person making this accent for it, in a way. Yeah. I, I, because for the most part, I mean, yeah, there are a couple of the actors in the original that are sort of faking in Irish accent, but at the same time, a lot of them are from, like, Marina Hera is definitely Irish and it's her whole, you know, all those people are Irish speaking. So I was purposely looking for Irish actors for all of my casting.

And Sertia Ronan was really the only one that even came that I could think of or find that even came Yeah. Any even close? Yeah. Uh, Will Dennacher, I've got three, two came to mind pretty quickly.

The third, I didn't think of until late in, and I like him a little more than I thought. So we'll see. One name that I think all three of us should. Yes.

I agree. We'll get there. Number three is Russell Crow. I thought we could do it.

He came out of nowhere. I'm like, okay, fine. Number two, Michael Shannon. Oh, I like that one a lot.

Yeah. Number one. And I think more than just me has this as number one, Liam Dason. Yeah, he's on my list.

Yeah. To me, he's the one with the bullet, as we like to say. I think there's a different one. That's another one.

Wow, really? Yeah. Well, I didn't put him in this movie. That's not what I'm talking about.

Although, yes. He's on there, but I'm not a serious one. All right, Eric, give me your dinner. Um, what we've sort of touched about on this problem a couple of times already today.

I, I, the age difference between Mary Kate and Will in the original, I'm just making her, I'm making it father, daughter, I'm skipping the brother sister. Might as well be what he's doing here. Um, he still works more or less. Yeah, it doesn't really make a difference either way.

Um, I did consider Tom Hardy. Yeah, I did too. I, Daniel Day Lewis, it was a, it was a figure with her, and again, as again, thinking as father, daughter, the third name that I thought of, and I think I liked the most is Brendan Gleason. That's who I have is my number one.

Oh, yeah. I can say. I use like those same ages as, um, well, so is, uh, effectively, uh, Liam, he's in, um, I thought about that. Uh, yeah, he, he's fine.

Perfect. Yeah. Uh, I like Liam, he's in, because of the fighting ability. He's a, he's got those big Irish ham, hot hands.

So is Brendan Gleason. I guess. Yeah, I don't know how fast he is, but that's also kind of why I like it though. Um, he's, he's carrying the same weight as that.

Yeah, exactly. So, and I, you know, a couple of mine already said the other two that I have, um, to go with an actual brother, like an actual, like age range. I have Michael Fosbender as, I'm going to always forget. I definitely would consider him.

Yeah. Yeah. And then if we want to go with a similar kind of older, um, brother, possibly the dad, actor's name is Gary Lewis, Brendan, you would know him from gangs of New York. He was also the dad and Billy Elliot.

He plays New York. He plays, um, one of, he's like a, he's an older guy, kind of just kind of squat, baldish head, baldish head. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

That guy. Yeah. He's good. He's small.

Yeah. Yeah. But I think he's like, stocky and big, like a, he doesn't have to be tall, but like big personality and a scrapper. All right.

Mickling Flynn. I had two names quickly. Okay. Uh, and I was struggling for the third.

And when I found the third, he's my number one by a landslide. Wow. Okay. I can't even think of anybody else's effort.

Number one, I'll be here in the two. Okay. Uh, Charlie Day. Uh-huh.

He's too young. I know. I'm aging him up. Yeah.

We're doing some makeup and some CG. In the, from the same show, I went Danny DeVito as well. He can't pull off an Irish accent. No, of course not.

Uh, but number one, um, this guy we saw walking around Northern Ireland. Oh, Toby Jones. Yep. He is Irish.

He's a little guy. I like it. Fat, round Irish head. Uh, you know, he's, for no one who knows, uh, he's a character actor.

He was definitely seen him as like true, like, oh, he was Arnhem Zola in the, uh, Marvel movies. Um, I think he played Churchill somewhere in one of these goofy movies. Um, you've seen him around. He's been a lot, so he's a little guy.

Perfect. And he's Irish and he's in. I think he nails it. Yeah.

That's good. That's good. Uh, Eric. All right.

I, yeah. I, I, my, my choices for McElene all skewed a bit younger, but I don't, I don't know, I don't know how really necessary it is to be that much older than, but I guess it's still, he could be easily done with makeup or whatever, if I get a little bit older, but one name that I thought of that I kind of like, uh, Crystal Dow. I had two, I had on my list. I had one somewhere else.

And another name who's a little eric, eric, talking to your mic. Oh, sorry. Yeah. And the other, uh, another name that I had that's outside the box, but in recent years, he's been doing like crazier kind of characters and even like heavy makeup and stuff that he's drastically changed appearance from time to time that he could dive into the character and I think it would be kind of funny to watch him do it.

Uh, Colin Farrell. Wow. That's interesting. It's interesting.

Uh, okay. So wait, I get to go. So Eric took my Chris O'Dowd. So the first person I thought of to play this, but he is no longer alive.

If it was 10 years ago, he might have still been alive was the old guy from waking a divine. Yeah. Um, I am a guy. I won't say it, but I have a guy who I really thought of.

I think he's exactly too old, but got it. My number two is super funny and that is Graham Norton. Whoa. That's really good.

Sure. Um, number one, I have Rowan Atkinson. He might look a little too British. Can I do it and not speak?

Um, but I'd also as kind of a bit of stunkasting. I would pick a first time actor named Rob Nash. Oh my God. I sounded for that.

You'll see I'm wearing my official black coat. Like my God. Uh, okay. I want these are the wild cards.

Uh, I'm going to do a quickie with Father Peter Lonergan. Wow. Uh, I do a quickie with five. I know.

Uh, three of them came up. Uh, I thought we could do a Tom Hardy here if we wanted to as a throwaway. Fine. This is where I had Chris O'Dowd.

Okay. Like that works. And this is actually where I want to put Colin Farrell as my number one. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Either you guys do a father one. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

This is where I put Liam Mieson. Oh, yeah. Sure. That's another spot for one.

All right. Did you have others, Eric? Um, no. All right.

I had, uh, Sam Neal. Yeah. I had Pierce Brosnan. But my number one is Gabriel Byrne.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's in this movie somewhere.

Yeah. Uh, for the widow to land. Yeah. I have two names and only two.

Uh, Kristen Wig. Oh my God. And the one I think I like better is Rose Byrne. Oh, that's funny.

Yeah. So I've got, um, it depends on like who's playing Will Danner her. So like, I've got like a couple of different ages. I got Fiona Shaw, who plays Aunt Petunia in the Harry Potter movies.

Yeah. Okay. So she's like a, like would be like the Brendan Gleason pairing. Yeah.

Then I've got, um, Brona Gallagher, who was in the commitment. She was in Pulp Fiction. Yeah. Oh my God.

Yeah. I know. The big eyes. Yeah.

And number one, she's not been in a ton of things, but she's an Irish actress. And when you look at her now, I think she could work Alison Doody, who played, um, she was the, uh, main female actress in Indiana Jones and Alaska Sage. She plays the, with a blonde hair. Oh, oh, the German.

Yeah. Oh, really? Oh my God. Has anyone seen her?

I've been a writer, Dr. Sender. Yeah. I mean, she's been in a lot of like, Swaller stuff, but okay, but she's still working and she's like 50 something right now.

So like it's like a perfect age to be with. Oh, you know, I have, I have one name and I sort of castly, assuming Brendan Gleason is my, uh, Will Danner. Um, she might be too British, but I think she's definitely good of actress that she can definitely make it work. But I like, uh, Emma Thompson is my woulda to land.

Oh, yeah. Sure. That's a good one. Uh, I didn't cast anybody else.

So do you have any well cards? Yeah, I've got a couple. So I did, um, the Reverend Playfair. Um, and this is, I have either, I have a big, a younger, um, actor.

This is, this was the other place I had Chris O'Dowd, but I also have, and I like it because it's a family relation down the Gleason. And then my, then my stuff casting of Finney is Charlie Day. Finney. Yeah.

Finney. Get your book out. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Definitely. I have, I, I, the IRA guys, like that's where I've got like, how in birth of Killian Murphy. They're like, they're just, they've got to be in there somewhere.

Yeah. But I like them being the IRA guys. Yeah. Yeah.

Eric, do you have any others? I did not do any other casting. Yeah. I mean, I did have also the old lady, um, who gives the stick.

I was all only because she would be in this movie somewhere. Uh, uh, Finn will have Flanagan. She was in, and she was in, yeah. Um, she was in Wake and Ed Divide.

She was in the others. If you saw her, you would recognize her face, but she's an older Irish actress and she could play that part. Uh, anybody could play that part. Uh, she specifically.

All right. Uh, memorable scenes, incredible lines. Uh, you guys can rattle them off. The only one I wrote down was Bartow.

Bartow. That's not the one I would have thought she would have said. When I drink whiskey, I drink whiskey. When I drink water, I drink water.

Yeah. I don't know. Could you use an wall turn your whiskey? When I drink whiskey, oh, you can see.

And when I drink water, I drink water. Eric, do I, I've got a whole bunch that I could rattle off, but Eric, what do you got? Uh, the Marcus of Queensbury rules should be in forest at all times. Yep.

Um, and who taught you to be playing patty fingers in the holy water? I do love that one. What good money boots? Yeah.

That little lady. Yep. I got that one. One of the house.