Pubcast 67: The Snyder Cut Reaction

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This one is not going to follow our usual format. This episode is simply a reaction to the Snyder Cut version of the Justice League movie that was recently released on HBO Max. Allison, Eric, and I watched a lot of these superhero movies, and while they're certainly not everyone's cup of tea, they're generally relatively fine, and the best ones can be really good. But the bad ones are really, really bad.

And the original cut of the Justice League was one of these really bad movies that was in 2017. So the three of us are just going to give our initial reaction to the Snyder Cut. We didn't do tons of research, I didn't create any new games. This is just a conversation about what we just saw.

What was good about it, what was not so good about it, and what it might mean for the future of streaming movies. So, here we go. Okay, the Snyder Cut. Before I even talk about that, I want to set up sort of where I am with superhero movies.

I think you are probably too out, and Eric might be somewhere around there as well. But when this movie was released, or talked about a minute, it came out a couple of days ago, it's not that big a deal. Who really cares? But there's nothing going on.

It's something new. It had some build up online as far as this is going to be a bigger, better version. It's the original vision of the original director and whatever. So not everybody is into superhero movies, of course.

A lot of people don't like about it. But specifically when it comes to Marvel movies, I have to use this phrase, but I will anyway. It was like a rule of thirds or rule of threes. Third of them are not very good.

Third of them are pretty good. And that third of them are really good. And up until now, I think most of all of the DC movies have been in the not very good or fine version. And Justice League, the first time the original version was in the bad category.

It was bad. It was not a good movie at all. And I keep coming back to this one of these movies with DC because it's freaking Superman and Batman. And Wonder Woman.

It's like the most iconic superheroes are fictional characters that we have in movies. I mean, I'm assuming of course we are ignoring the Dark Knight from, I mean, because that's a great movie. Yeah. So that falls into the game.

Okay. Okay. I mean, the way that you were talking about most or all of the DC is that it fell into the, or the. Yeah.

Since the dark, since the dark night, I'm not this new man referring to the DC EU. Yeah. The man of steel, even Wonder Woman, the Justice League, the bat member of Superman, those type of deals specifically. But so even when they're not that good, like to me, like Ant-Man or whatever Marvel movie that you don't think is all that great, Thor 2, you know, whatever, even the dark gray good.

There's usually some sort of fun storytelling thing in there. There's some sort of good foreshadowing callbacks, set up some payoffs, references of other characters that may come into play later. There's some fun stuff in there, even in the bad movies. Oh, the Easter eggs, if you want to cut.

I mean, yes, but even if you don't go too far down the Easter egg path, but like things that may be relevant in future movies. Right. Right. So usually when they're not very good, these super hair movies, the Marvel version, they're watchable.

Right. I mean, Thor 2, maybe not, but you know, those type of things. So that, I'm saying all that to say, I'm not joining super hair movie, but I watch all of them, especially the Marvel ones because there is some storytelling, there is a continuing story. There is some fun stuff in the bad movies.

Justice League was bad. It wasn't anything fun about it. Now I want to set up why this Snyder cut came out. The broad strokes, I mean, the minutiae who cares, but Zack Snyder was the original director and he did, I'm quite fine wrong, Eric.

He did Man of Steel and Batman versus Superman, right? Correct. So he sort of is the vision behind the DCU, the darker, grittier, visually darker tone of these movies compared to Marvel. He was the original director and had to leave midstream during production.

I forgot about why. I'm weird talking about it a couple of days ago. The reason I thought of my head was, oh, he was fired or something was wrong. No, his daughter recommended suicide.

Oh my god. Yeah, it was very, very unfortunate situation. He's 20. And so in the middle production, he said, I'm out.

I can't handle this. I gotta walk away. And if I'm not mistaken though, I think he tried to keep working for a while and then it became too much and then pulled away. Wow.

Yep. So he stepped out. He brought in Josh Whedon who directed the first Avengers movie, the first coming together Avengers movie. And he tried to put a Marvel spin on what was actually done.

He tried to brighten up the colors and make it more visually vibrant as opposed to dark. And he tried to add in a lot of little funny jazz and little humor here and there. Go ahead. If I'm not mistaken, that was also somewhat of a course correction done by the studio as well because the Batman Superman was poorly received.

And they were trying to kind of write the ship a little bit. Right. I mean, I don't think Snyder would have done that anyway, but I mean now they had Josh Whedon in there. They did sort of flex their muscles a little more, but yeah, I agree.

And so he did a lot of reshoots too. And that's where all of the Henry Cavill stuff with the mustache painted out and the weird effects and all that sort of stuff. So then Justice League comes out in 2017. It's not very good.

Even the fans didn't like it. And then there was this push for the Zack Snyder cut. Let's see what Zack Snyder would have done, what the original director, what his original vision would be. Could this have been a better movie if things didn't happen?

Basically. I mean, I think he leaked some pictures of like, you know, this is what I would have done. And there was a picture of the thing I was going to do, but you know, I wasn't able to because of, you know, circumstance. And people ran with that as this big push for the Snyder cut.

And then over the past year, 18 months, they put Warner Brothers put this together and said, okay, let's just release this and put it on our new streaming service in Let's Kill. So there we are. You just seem like it questions. Well, I mean, I don't know that I have questions.

I mean, I guess the thing that may be hard about this is, you know, obviously he didn't get to finish whatever shooting he was wanting to do. And without jumping too far ahead, you know, end up with a four hour cut of this almost makes me feel like he did not have as much of a vision where it's just like, we're going to throw in there. We're going to get there. We're going to get there.

So that's the setup. And when we were talking earlier, I kept saying that there weren't reshoots. This is just a recutting and taking stuff that he had, there were some reshoots or some stuff that he didn't get the shoot that he wanted to shoot, but whatever this is the ultimate cut for Zack Snyder fans. Right.

So now we have this four hour version on HBO Max. Is that, I mean, this clearly could be a potential new way for directors to release or studios to release a secondary version that is bigger and better and includes all this stuff. They couldn't put in a normal size. Like truly like a director's cut kind of situation.

To have two distinct movies where you have, Coppola has, he puts out the Godfather and it's three hours long. He had to cut a bunch of stuff. And so now you can put out the Godfather, this is the right of what was. You can put out the Godfather.

He wanted to make it. It's four and a half hours long. Maybe it's in two halves or it's a mini series of four parts, four hour, hour and twenty minute mini movies or whatever. These digital platforms now with this Snyder cut being the template, maybe now we're going to see more of this stuff.

It's another way to monetize it maybe, but also you can have the theatrical version and the big extra large version, but you can't do that in the theaters because there are only so many show times the theater has in the day. If you show a two hour movie, you can show that seven times in a day, eight times a day. If you have a four hour movie, you can show it three times a day or whatever. And that cuts on in concession tickets.

No theaters want to have a four hour movie, but on streaming, you can get a shit. What's the difference? So you release the theatrical version and a true different streaming version or at home streaming. This could be this.

This might be a trend. It's interesting. Again, I'm trying to hold back. I'm talking about the movie.

It would be I have like a different format of how I think that should go, or at least in this situation. But go ahead. So yeah, I mean, we've all seen directors cuts where you have an extra seven minutes of footage or 13 minutes of deleted scenes, out of backhand or whatever. This is the original.

Justice Lee was almost exactly two hours. The cider cut is almost exactly four hours. That's a long movie. It is.

You hear that every once in a while though. So how a director when they make a movie, well, they'll say that the movie was like the original cut of the movie was three plus hours long. I think like even I think even episodes three of Star Wars was well over three and a half hours when they first cut it or when they first shot it. And then they cut it down to whatever it's going to be.

It's I don't think it's a big deal or even all that new to have this movie be three plus or even four hours long. The fact that they released it for four hours is surprising. It's a thousand dollars. It was about to get into it now.

In writing, there's a phrase called Kill Your Darlings. Basically this awesome piece of this paragraph you wrote that's perfectly worded that you just love so much. Chances are it doesn't move the plot along or advance the characters. You have to cut it.

Even though it's awesome, it's great. And you think it's a good little piece of your effort in the book or in the story or in the whatever. You have to cut that and kill it. And that's what we're at is that I mean yes, these these long versions have existed forever.

But there's a reason why the editing happens like movies are made in editing and you have to tighten it up. You have to keep pace. You have to keep it flowing. And even in this movie it's clear that there is a lot of stuff that you could a lot of fat to trim.

There was a lot of what I would put in the cinematography bucket of drone shots, these overhead kind of CG visuals that I guess are sort of cool, but this isn't that kind of movie. It was kind of ill placed to hat. And I think it was particularly prevalent in the first like 45 minutes of just a lot of expansive shots that didn't do anything other than we're looking at a bridge from five different angles. Yeah.

So this is the section where I want to talk about the negatives, the thing that we didn't like in this new cut. We can talk about it in broad stroke for specifics. So this goes back to comparing. I mean, the DCE is effectively based on MCU, the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Yeah, yes. I feel like I had to say something sooner than later before we get into the specifics of the movie. But I just, so I think unfortunately for DC, they miss the creative boat that the big strategy that Marvel came up with 15 years ago or whenever the first Iron Man came out that they had this idea of all of these individual character movies that were released and they were about a specific character from a comic book and they developed each of those characters and then they thought about bringing multiple characters together. And I feel like DC went, oh, that's super cool.

We should do that too. But we don't have another 15 years to develop all of these characters. So they're throwing them in kind of too many too quick to try to catch up to these kind of big, you know, even Batman versus Superman. It was like a little early and they're like three steps behind.

They're like the little sibling that's trying to catch up with the big brother. Well, that's the problem with copying. Don't do what they did. Do your own thing.

You know, Marvel introduced Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor and then to the Avengers, right? Like you just said, DC was trying to do that all at once. I mean, they had Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, and Batman versus Superman. We knew who Batman was, I guess, already so fine.

But Justice League, the original, and the Snyder Cut is so packed with backstory and attempts at making you know and like these other characters. I mean, all the, I mean, you need a whole backstory for Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman, because this is before the Aquaman movie. And then they throw in Martian Manhunter at a no where movie. Why?

So, I'm going to talk about DC, you know, doing something different. I feel like they tried doing that with Suicide Squad. Like, I like the idea that they were doing this, the focus on a lot of the bad guys, but they made the same mistake that they did. They made the same mistake that they made with Justice League.

And everybody too quick. And so you're, you know, it's just 10 minutes vignettes of each character. And Suicide Squad suffered from the same problem as the Switching Directors. Oh, that's right.

I totally forgot that. So, like Star Wars, introduce your world and your story in a couple of main characters and then build out from there. You can do that. It's been done.

Star Wars did it the most effective of history of the world, right? Now you go back and you fill in a Han Solo movie, or you fill in a bubble with that movie or a series, or whatever the hell it is. DC could have done that. Don't go out there and try to chase Marvel.

Do your own thing. You can... DC and Marvel, Marvel is the color and the light. DC is the dark and the brooding.

Like, do it differently. It's fine. But again, I think they were so close. I know.

I missed the mark of, you know, playing into their sweet spot, like the dark and gritty by having this origin story almost of all of the bad guys. But they, they got too greedy to try to put everything all together. They should have, like they could have done a Joker and a Harley Quinn. If they want to bundle a couple of characters together, you do that.

But even thinking that, they focus too much on the bad guys. Who's the least developed character in the recent memory of DC movies? It's Jared Leto's Joker. I mean, they focus on the bad guys, but didn't focus on your biggest, best bad guy.

Right. Well, and even this one, you know, the epilogue is the first, like, mentioned again of him. I don't necessarily want to talk about the epilogue stuff because there's clearly at the end, a lot of stuff is just tacked on just for the hell of it. Anyway, Eric, you probably are trying to jump in here.

Yeah. No, I'm in total agreement that DC was, they were desperate to play catch up and they threw everything together way too quick. By the time they made a steel and that was standalone and that was okay. But then by Batman, the Superman, they had Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and the Flash were all in the same movie.

And it was just, it was a mess. Yeah. I didn't mind so much the teaser of Wonder Woman and for like five minutes to introduce her first in-load movie. You're right.

Like, there was just, why do they have to throw Aquaman in there? Like, why? Like, it's just, it's too fast. You know, with DC being the Darker, Grittier brand, they struggle.

I like struggling. I struggle and have the trouble with, so they're darker and grittier roughly. But they have, they're two, two and they're three biggest characters, Superman and Wonder Woman, are colorful, bright, uplifting characters in this dark gritty world. Like, what is their tone?

They're all over the place. I mean, they have a problem and that's a bigger issue. I do, so we can, I have a bunch of bullet points of things I didn't like. Okay.

I wrote down some notes and then we can go off on tangents here. I mentioned the Martian Manhunter thing, the green guy who was posing as Superman's mom for a minute. Yeah. And then Martha, and then he comes back to the end for no apparent reason.

Hey, I'm here. Remember me? Well, right. Well, and even as I was watching it in my third attempt to get through the four hours, I had a positive like, did I miss something?

I had to ask, I had to ask you because I mean, I'm not a comic book reader, although I've seen most of the comic book movies. I'm just, I don't know enough, except for what gets introduced in the movie. Right. And it almost looked like he almost was depicted like Dark Side or whatever the bad guy is in this movie.

I'm like, wait a minute. What, what is happening? I only know of him because as this DCU thing came together over the past seven years or whatever. People were talking about, oh, when are they going to introduce Martian Manhunter?

I'm like, what are you talking about? Yes. I'm not going to figure it out. And it's, you know, it's other character, but I have a big recollection that the boys had an action for you.

Yeah, the character design in movies, he looks weird. Like it doesn't, it's bad. It's dark. It just doesn't look.

And is the general he turned into the general that, um, Superman? Yeah, the general that spent in the movies all along. Yeah. He was the Martian Manhunter the whole time.

Yeah. So he was supposed Superman and was he in Suicide Squad? No. He didn't meet with, um, he wasn't in one of the, that board room with what's her name?

No. I was, he was, he was in Man of Steel and he was in Batman, be Superman. Oh, okay. So that was weird.

And then the, when, toward the end, I guess this, I'm not sure if this is the Edelard or toward the end. Um, when Joker and Deadshot make an appearance and I got confused with the back and forth between reality and then this. Premonition or dream and why are we going back and forth? What, what is the deal here?

What is this? And why is he having premonitions? Like what, is that's only a superpower that he has? Like that.

Right. And didn't we already cover this? Why are we doing this again? Way back at the end of the movie or toward the other movie?

I don't know. That made no sense to me. Um, you guys feel free to jump in with your own stuff. But the Wonder Woman, this is one of yours.

Eric, I put it here. Wonder Woman talking about Steve Trevor. Oh, God. Yeah.

Why? Why? I mean, the only reason I could say, I mean, this movie was supposed to come out before Wonder Woman 1984. So it was, I guess, trying, I guess in a way was going to be leading into that a little bit that she's still dealing with that is a horrible plot point of that.

It's not like Captain America where he was put on ice and was asleep for 70 years and woke up. And so they, why did they pay? Why did they pay Carter was a month ago for him or, you know, a year ago for him? Wonder Woman is 5,000 years old and she met this guy in 1916 or whatever.

But I would argue that this is like, I mean, this is like having your first, you know, crush, like it's her first love. She never even met a man before. I know, but then in the next 85 years, she's met thousands. But as a percentage of her 5,000 years on the planet, maybe it's his mom's.

I mean, I totally, I'm totally, you know, I'm just. She wasn't transported from 1919 to now. I totally get it. It's kind of like, all right.

They linger. You mentioned this already. They linger too long on some unnecessary scenes. It's just, they're just, when you have no time limit, you can just do whatever you want and put it in whatever you want.

Who cares at the time. But deadlines make work. You need deadlines, you need restrictions. You need rules so you can craft what you're doing as opposed to.

Well, it goes back to what you were saying before. You have this perfectly crafted paragraph or phrasing or whatever. And so I think you liked some of the visuals that were created and so wanted to put it in, which is fine. But it was just it made things go slower than necessary.

The watching, watching the flash rip himself out of his shoes or Batman firing the cannon on the Batmobile and going 10 or 15 seconds on the empty shell bouncing on the grill. That's exactly what it's just. He loves his slow motion. I have a, this is a long standing pipe, well, since the original movie came out.

The flash runs very weird. He's a weird running style. He's like throwing his hands for as opposed to running like a human being. Well, so that was going on with that run.

So the other thing though, that I thought was kind of funny, is after he rips out of his shoes and kind of runs, he's barefoot. And it looks like he's like running on his tiptoes in like a funny way that I'm like, oh, is it because he's barefoot. And then I'm like, well, if he ripped out of his shoes, why didn't he rip out of his clothes also because he had to have the fast, whatever I'm going to say Kevlar, but it's not it. But like whatever that fancy schmancy suit was, so he doesn't superheat his clothes.

Why didn't why didn't that happen? Wayne Superman was resurrected. He busted out of his suit, his pants were still on. Why?

Why is this? She can tie it fall off. They still don't know how to use Lois Lane in this movie in particular. She's just sort of there.

She's bringing coffee to the cops and to go pay respects to the whatever the memorial site. Yeah. She could have not been this movie at all. It would have been perfectly fine.

Use her for something else. Who is the leader of the Justice League? That's my question to both of you right now. Is it Batman?

Is it Wonder Woman? Is it Superman? Who's in charge? I feel like it is Batman.

I feel like it is Batman. I would say Batman. He thinks he is. He definitely thinks he is.

I would agree. I think Wonder Woman is the person that gets shit done. And Superman's going to probably take stuff over at some point. He's the entrepreneur.

He's the one that's kind of got the idea and he's pulling everybody together. I mean he brought him together. That's the thing. But in this movie, I know this kind of, clearly is about bringing the team together and this team.

It's a group focused, not individual focused as much, but you don't have to have a leader necessarily in this movie. I was just curious about that because he was confused. And they kind of alluded to that at the end when Bruce is in the old way manner where he's suddenly setting up the Hall of Justice. He's like, I have a big round table in here.

So there isn't going to be a leader. It's just going to be all working together. Sort of the nights at the round table kind of thing. Yeah.

I mean you do have a little bit of that in the Marvel stuff. Is it Iron Man or Captain America? They kind of played different roles with the overlap. So whatever.

Wow. He gets a coffee area. Sorry. Out new.

I'm not sure this is bad or weird or just something that the other hurdle DC has to get over. But there's not enough clarity for me for the motivation and the abilities and the reason why the big bad guy is doing what he's doing. Why Dark Side? Why he wants the anti-life equation?

What the anti-life equation is? Who is he? What does he do? He's a sore loser.

That's why. In the comics, Dark Side came first at DC before Thanos at Marvel and Thanos was a ripoff of Dark Side, but purposely. But now that you're moving and your extended universe is coming after the Marvel one, you got to differentiate this guy from Thanos. Some other big, still be CGI monster like you are.

So are you talking about the motivation beyond just conquering a bunch of worlds? Like for Thanos, it wasn't just that. It was this ultimate goal of creating a sustainable universe. So he's getting rid of half of all existence so the other half can thrive.

Great balance. Dark Side. Let's put the anti-life equation is supposed to be and I didn't look it up. I don't really care about it.

So what is that? What is he going to do with it? He wants to just kill everything? I don't know what he's supposed to be doing or what he's doing.

What it's supposed to do is it's essentially, I watched something about it, but it's certainly it kind of equates to the infinity gauntlet that it gives him complete control over the entire universe. It will allow him to control everything. It's the simplest way to put it. Yeah.

So he just wants absolute power? Yes. Over the entire universe. And this is where I based on what I've said previously, I'm not looking for a more backstory, but a line or two would be helpful explaining what this dude is.

I mean, as I said by a couple of the characters in the movie, he's already dominated thousands of worlds as it is. What I'm talking about. So definitely in this cut, I understood a little bit more of the bad guy side. Obviously, there's a lot more about Bark Side, which I did find it interesting that Steppenwolf was seeing more like a sniveling.

It's almost like a total screw up, where it's like he messed up somewhere else and nobody trusts him to get the job done. And he just kind of comes off as kind of a, everybody's like, well, Steppenwolf's going to try to do this. It's really kind of funny in a way. And he's trying to prove himself to the big guy.

And that did not come across that way in the first original cut of the movie. He's the Dwight Shruth like on this. Almost. Yeah.

Yeah. He's like kind of stuck up to the boss. I mean, I had thought that he was more of the main bad guy. What Joss Whedon was setting up, but not what's not your point.

So, whatever. I guess it's the, what was it in Marvel? It's not Thanos, but the, who is the blue guy? Ronin.

Yeah. Yeah, sure. But even more of a screw up. Yeah.

But more of a screw up than that. And I just thought that was kind of interesting. So I have another, a new section, a separate section to say of things that are somewhere in between negative and positive. They're just things I noticed.

They may be negative. We'll see how it goes. Did you have anything else before we go into that? Anything else that you were like, this is dumb.

Anything that really stood out to you? No, not I could think of it at the moment. Okay. So in the, you know, thousands of years ago, when this fight took place in, you know, the Earth's heroes, one or whatever, they separated these three mother boxes.

Yeah. Which are like all encompassing power apparently, right? Just boxes of pure energy or whatever it is, right? One goes to the Atlanteans, one goes to the Amazons and one goes to the humans, right?

The humans bury theirs in some forest and forget about it. A whole two feet under. Right. So we find it.

We can grow. But the idea of burying it in a deep hole somewhere makes sense to me. Like what's never. Yeah.

The Atlanteans bury it. The sink into the bottom of the ocean. The Amazon's put it on an island, a secret island that's hidden from the world. And then the guys big a whole two feet deep.

Yeah. You're saying that the humans, men, whatever that they have the worst hiding spot. Yes. So I'm saying I'm going the other way.

I'm saying they have the best hiding spot because both the Atlanteans and the Amazons literally put the box on a pedestal in a display hall for everyone to see. Like it's out in the open. It's got a structure built around it. So it's almost like a museum piece, right?

I know it's with the Amazon's secret island and stuff. But the Amazon's protected it well. They had dozens of people, 100 people around it in this big armored thing. And then they had this whole defense process that when it's attacked, you knock down the pillars and the whole thing shuts down and then it collapses into the sea.

Great. The Atlanteans had almost no defense. It was just like in this little. Well, they had a handful of people.

How is he? I started by like four or five knuckleheads that were dispatched instantly like the wisdom. Already at the bottom of the ocean. I know.

But granted, I guess the point of Eric saying no, you're saying it's good because it was buried in a random place that nobody's going to find it. But like also, it's just guarded by raccoons. Like there's like nobody in there. Racoon.

It's squirllers. I like that idea better. I mean, it makes more sense. Clearly.

They put it there in a generation. It's lost, right? It's gone forever. But housing development goes up and it's instantly back.

The metal detector like one of those beach cover. Right. Yeah. I mean, Eric's point.

A strong rain and it uncovers the box. What's this? So, yeah. The design of this is just one of opinion piece here.

Yes. The design of the Desod character. I'm a sip fanos. Desod, the second in command to dark side.

Go for it. He looked. He looked a lot like Eric. Go with me on this one.

Go for it. Okay. So Eric, the design of the Desod character that he looked. Do you remind you of that dopey Iraq character from ready for?

Absolutely he did. I said it out loud as I was watching it. Like, yeah, it's Iraq from ready clear one. Yeah.

Like, how does that happen? That was a big movie that was out. Maybe at the same time as one to be honest, the original Justice League, but this was created for the Snyder kind. I don't know how this was a bad design and it looked like an existing character from another sort of a.

I don't recall that. I'll show it to you. And it's a throwaway character for the matter. But just it was too coincidental.

It's almost like one was based on the other. Well, I mean, okay. And also speaking of a character that looks like another character, the little shiny suit on Steppenwolf looked just like the thing from Thor. The destroyer.

Yeah. Like it. I was like, wait a second. Why that looks exactly the same.

I even wrote that one down. And even, you know, it wasn't in the original cut. So why put it back in when you know it looks just like the other change up the design? Yeah.

Even if this was my original idea, you've now had the benefit of hindsight. So fucking changing. Make his silver pointy armor. Make that red.

Now instead of silver, I don't know, whatever. But seems like a dumb mistake. I have this. I have a note here too.

We talked about this though. There's no basic context for why Darkseid wants to do what he wants to do. We talked about the anti-life thing in the Australia life. So, yeah, a lot of.

So why did they lose track of Earth? Was it just because he got injured really badly? Like how did they lose track that this is where they left the mother box? I don't know.

I mean, that just feels very careless. And so I just realized until I saw a video or a tweet or something about it afterwards, when Steppenwolf throws his hammer, his axe into the ground and uncovers that design that was from Darkseid. That was the marking that, oh, this is Earth where the mother boxes are at the time. I get that part.

I get that part watching the movie. I'm like, oh, what was that? I remember, I'm like, oh, okay, they were trying to find that. But they left Earth.

Like, nobody took a note down to say, hey, this is where we left the mother boxes. Like, somebody who can do their job is what that feels like to me. I mean, they are in the solar system and didn't take a note. The mother boxes are here.

Everybody remember where we parked? Exactly. It's ridiculous. I did.

That was one of the most baffling parts of the whole body. Like, how did they lose track? E-17 to get picture. Yeah.

At what point did they realize they didn't have the mother boxes and that they couldn't and then they couldn't find their way back? Right. So I have this listed under. There was no retracing their steps.

Like, where were we last? I have this listed under positives, although it has a negative spin ultimately. It feels like a whole movie. Yeah, right.

Superman. The idea that Superman's death was what woke up the mother boxes and kicked off the movie, right? That was good. At least there was some context of why all this shit was happening.

Yeah. I like that whole thing. That makes perfect sense. Except.

So the reason the mother boxes woke up was because Earth had no protectors. It had no lanterns. It didn't even say it in the movie. No lanterns, no Kryptonian, right?

Because Superman died. No more big, tough guy to protect the Earth. Yeah. But why didn't this happen?

Why weren't they awake before? Why weren't they awake at any point over the past 3,000 years up until the 60s, 70s or 80s? Because Superman didn't come to this planet until like 1985. He was 35 years old.

So there was no Superman or lantern in 1982 or 1976 or 1964. Like, why didn't all this have happened before? Yeah, that's a great question. I do not have the answer to that.

And speaking of which, that was another character that was like in it for a second was a green lantern. Like, and he got his hand cut off. And then what happened to the lantern ring? Like what?

That whole scene just showed me what a pointless character green lantern is like, you didn't do anything. I guess coming back to, um, coming back to what we were talking about before about the Martian manhunter showing up at the end, I saw something or read something today that his Ex- some plans for the green lantern that they wanted to do something else. So they wouldn't let him have a green lantern. So if they compromised and had it be the Martian manhunter.

Yeah. Well, green lantern, blue lantern, the Martian manhunter, whoever the hell you want to put in there. Who cares if the whole thing is he just walks up and says, Hey, I'm here. Contact me.

I'll be in your Justice League. See you later. Like, to your point, where were you four days ago? As old and old world was dying?

Why are you just knocking at my door? Like, hello? Yeah, you're like messing around with Lois Lane and in her apartment and then like do nothing. Stop fucking around and pick up a shovel and help us out.

Like, dude, we're doing all the work here. Come on, man. Okay, let's get back to the quote on quote positives. So was she called?

Did she have like his cape? Is that what that was in a box that Lois was like holding on? That's what I assumed it was. All right.

This movie definitely had much better character development. Yeah. Well, we have four hours of step in wolf was more interesting. Cyborg.

Cyborg was like the main character of the movie, right? I mean, much better. Like way better. But yeah, you can do that in four hours.

It just shows you had a bad plan going in if you had four hours to tell this fucking story. Well, again, I think it's honestly it needed to be eight hours, which is like three hours or three individual movies to develop cyborg and the flash and pick one other character. I mean, you've already got your wonder. Well, Marcia, man Hunter.

Marcia, man Hunter. And then you can have your Justice League as kind of the culmination of those things. No, I don't care about the flash at all. One bit.

Oh, really? I enjoy the character. I enjoy the movie. But as far as seeing any like his backstory or any more about him, I couldn't care less at all.

Because I know nothing about why he's flashy. Like, I don't know. They overdo it with lightning. His whole trick in the movie twice two different times is electricity.

It's also going this. He went plaid and was able to reverse time. Like he just, right? He reversed.

The blue her speed. Exactly. Like Mr. Fast running.

Because they use him as an iPod charger. Like he's just an electricity source in this movie. The one thing though, that I liked in this cut about that character is he comes across as smarter and more confident as opposed to the original cut where he's just kind of a goofball. Yeah.

So I like that. I'm the opposite of you. That is one movie I would like to see. And I hope they would keep as remiller.

Yeah, sure. I like that movie is still coming. Yeah, the flash movie. I like him.

Hopefully it'll happen before he turns 40. Like I got it. I like him as a supporting character in a movie like this. I don't know what I want to see.

Superman's resurrection. Still not perfect, but way better than the first time. Way better. I still love the exchange of headbutts between him and Wonder Woman.

Yeah. That's good. We didn't have some of those dope lines. Those pseudo comedy lines from Batman or from Aquaman or whoever.

Like it was more of a normal situation. Yeah. I did like the pet tilts that Superman did a couple of times where like he's trying to understand what's happening and somebody will do something and he'll be like, what do you think you're doing? And I couldn't stop staring at it.

His lats are ginormous. I mean, holy cow. You see it because he's just that dress pants on. Like he's got no shirt on.

It's insane. He's like a freaking aircraft carrier. You're did land friggin. Yeah.

That's enormous. My last two points we've already talked about is positive. The reduction of the dope comedic lines that are more the tone is more in line with the previous films. We talked about that.

And then overall, it's just more interesting. There's more context. There's more story. But it's four hours.

Of course, it can be more of all that stuff, but it's four hours is so wrong. Yeah. To go back to the darker and the grittier one language was different in this movie than any other. They said fuck two or three.

I thought it was definitely two. It might have been three or four. Yeah. And there was a lot of blood in this, which is different than a lot of superheroes.

So this is a very good version. Yeah. So, which would be for DC? It should be.

I totally agree. I also appreciated a little bit more, although I didn't need to see the whole ceremony on the lighting of the fire. Right. And that was good.

It could have been half the length and still gotten to the same point. But I thought that was kind of interesting. I did. I actually commented on it her jumping down into that hole or whatever on those heels.

Like there is no way those heels went to broken. I mean, they're not super heels. They're I understand like she could do it, but those shoes are going to last. Why is she bringing it?

Yeah. If flashes shoes didn't make it then her son divider. No, she was in all white. You know, it goes flunking and white.

But I did like that. I like the portrayal of Alfred in this. Yeah. I like the comment though that Bruce Wayne said that he works for him.

I thought that was good because I mean, it seems like Alfred's the one that's doing all of the work. Bruce Wayne has whatever that jet is that transport that carried all of them that cyber had to fix for him. I think I could have used less of the estimation of I can't guess where I can. Whatever and then cyber has to fix this one.

Was there a continuity issue that happened because I was definitely surprised. So weren't they in the bat cave on that original conversation and then later on they show up again and the flashes like oh my gosh, this like he was super excited to be there. Was that just a different part? I don't know.

You've seen a free time. But yeah, I can use less of that. But also who is building all this stuff more Bruce Wayne? He's digging out all these holes.

It's like Bruce and Alfred in the bat cave just tinkering on cars. These are massive military vehicles that are modified in massive ways. I don't know what's going on. Whoever's doing this work, they definitely know he's Batman.

Yeah. Who's the Morgan Freeman character? Yeah. So overall, I was trying to put a number on this movie.

The original version, I'm thinking I probably would have given somewhere around a three ish. And then the Snyder Cut is long. It's four hours. I probably give it a six and a half somewhere thereabouts.

If you got all the stuff you wanted in the Snyder Cut, but it was two hours and 52 minutes. Wow, that's specific. Then maybe it gets even a hundred great, but four hours a lot. But yeah, it's not a great movie still, but it's twice as good as the previous one.

I think. Yeah, I mean, there is a lot more plot exposition here, which is good. I think it still unfortunately suffers from the original design of trying to do too much too fast in one movie. Yeah, it should be two or three movies.

And so going back to what you were saying about the, this could be a new way for production companies to put out a second cut of the movie. So I think the way that I would kind of think about this is it's they could actually fix the sin of, okay, they had the Justice League and then they're going to rerelease it where you got one out, like a series of one hour focus at character development on each of those characters. And it might be six or eight hours, but you can then spend an hour on the flash an hour on Martian man hunter and hour on Aquaman. You can kind of repair whatever missing components.

So, yeah, so Eric doing coming out later this year. That's a giant epic story. You can do a three hour theatrical cut of doing, but you could definitely also do. Okay, here's the super deluxe directors kind of we're going to release on HBO Mac or whatever the hell it is.