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Okay, this is the Midnight Run episode of the Pubcast. Allison and Rob join me to break down this really sort of overlooked classic. Charles Groden died on May 18th. And a lot of people were talking about their favorite Groden movie, and Midnight Run seemed to come up over and over again.
So instead of doing what I had planned, I decided to break down Midnight Run, and it turns out everyone likes it. It's often forgotten and overlooked, and it seems to be left off of everyone's list of their favorite movies. But when you bring it up, it seems like everyone gets a smile on their face and you quote their favorite lines. It's guy Groden and De Niro both have the height of their powers, and it's simple, it's fun, it's super underrated.
It's Midnight Run. I love this round without training. Yeah, what do you think this is? A class trip?
A tough ex cop. Are you always this angry? A sensitive criminal on that one. Come on, come on, cigarettes are killers.
Be on! Because I gotta bring it back myself, otherwise I won't give my money. I can't fly. I also suffer macrophobia and claustrophobia.
I'll tell you what, if you don't cooperate, you're gonna suffer from thisaphobia. They're seeing America the hard way. How would you eat that? There's a pace going on.
At gunpoint. What did you do before you did this? What? He qualified you for this game.
He's gay. He's gay. He's gay. He's gay.
He's gay. He's gay. He's gay. Robert De Niro.
It is truly in your best interest to just relax. I've totally relaxed. Charles Groden. Two dollars, that's all you're gonna do?
It's 15%. That's 13%. These people depend on tips for a living. I'm the director of Beverly Hills Cop, Midnight Run.
Midnight Run. This is, I think, gonna be our shortest ever no-nonsense plot. An accountant is chased by bounty hunters, the FBI and the mafia after jumping bail. That's it.
That's all you need. Not an unsure word in there. No. This movie, I know we talked about it in college.
That's where I first saw it. I did not see this when this first came out. When we went back to re-watch this for the podcast, I've only seen it straight through, start to finish. Once, maybe twice.
I've seen a bunch of parts of it, clips of it, sections, quotes, but not start to finish. This is a hole in my game. I've not seen this a lot. Agreed.
I think I saw it. Freshman Year of College, I think, sat in a habit on a recorded VHS. That's how I saw it. It was maybe like you once or twice.
That's it. A lot of it, I have to say, I might have had memory retention issues at the time I watched it. There seemed to be gaps in re-watching it this last time. I only vaguely recall this.
I couldn't remember a lot of detail at all. There are quotes from this movie that we would say in college that I forgot from this movie. I actually forgot the context of them, but from a movie at least. I can't remember exactly where I saw this, but I might have seen it immediately as it came out of VHS.
My older sister was dating. A guy who was even older than she was. He was a huge Charles Groden fan. He was moving both anyway.
We'd gotten into some of his other movies, Real Life and 70s movies that Groden was in. I think he immediately was gravitated toward this movie. Therefore, I saw it early. Then I did get re-acquainted with it about the same time.
I know we'll get to the general impressions, but there was just a lot more there on this viewing than I did at the start to finish than I remembered. We were going to do a different movie this time around. It was going to be Stripes or something else. Then Charles Groden died May 18th.
As we were talking online back and forth through various threads, throwing out quotes and stuff, I'm like, oh, we have to do this movie. This has to be the next one we do. Here we are. I was going to create a new game for this movie, but it was clear I would take too much time on researching.
I was going to do it. You'll see the reason why. This movie, I think, is one of the best movies is a very specific niche situation. This is one of the best movies where the title is clearly said in the dialogue inside the movie.
Yes. When he said it in the pitch to Jack to get him to take the job, I'm like, that is an old movie rule that has fallen out, which is at some point, it has to be an image or a reference to the title. I'm like, well, they are in the first time in this movie, we are checking this box. Putting one word names aside, like inception or something, or the name of the person Rocky, no, that counts as Gremlins.
The quick, ultra-quick, off-time-ahead short list includes, these are all said in the movie. I can't believe you said brainstorming. The breakfast club? Yes, that's good.
As good as it gets. A clear and present danger. Back to the future and minority report. Those are relatively recent ones, I guess, or I'm going back 60 years.
Another category inspired by Back to the Future. I want three sentence, excuse me, three word sentences or phrases that are movie pitches. For example, I want to do a movie called Back to the Future. That is the whole movie, right there.
It's the pitch. The elevator pitch is the title. Not even elevator pitch, it's just like a high clue. There you go.
I got it. The fast and furious. They may be the greatest example of that. We are going to be crazy, angry, destructive and driverless.
Right. It took me more words to say it than that. This movie was directed by Martin Brest. We know him from Beverly Hillscock, Cent of a woman, Joe Black, and Gilly.
Apparently Gilly was his last movie. That destroyed him. I don't see him anywhere after that. He disappeared.
He did all these movies in the 80s and 90s and then we're gone. He was not a huge street guy. He had a bunch in a row that was great. He was building his career and all of a sudden Gilly, and he's gone.
Fucking Jilo. Right, Jilo. Watching this movie, it was clear to me that this is Dinero at his movie, which was a good movie. He was a little run here in three or four years span of the Intouchables, Midnight Run, and Goodfellas.
He's in his late 40s. He's just Dinero at an 11, I think. Was this before or after Cape Fear? Before, but just barely before.
Yeah. I mean, he had a very, there was like 93. Was it that late? Okay.
I was thinking of 90 or 91. Yeah. Brendan, though, the thing that I was surprised to go back and then think about a little bit was, I don't get into casting, but Dinero was sort of considered risky for the amount of money they were putting into the movie, because he wasn't a huge star. I mean, obviously it claimed for the Scorsese fellas in King of Comedy and the other movies that he was so lauded for, but he was never like a huge box office guy.
No. So, and it is interesting that he was almost, some of those movies, like Goodfellas, he was going to get away, right? Because Scorsese is one of them. But it's interesting, would there be a meat-the-fockers or whatever the first title was?
Yeah. I think the parents, right? Yeah. That's your premise.
There you go. There you go. But this goes back, Brendan, to your discussion that you want to have at some point, which is movie star. Right.
And so, like, Rob, we were talking about, like, who are the biggest movie stars in the last 30 years? And there's a difference between, you know, like Tom Cruise, who's like, you would argue is a movie star or Tom Hanks, but is Dinero or is he a great actor? Right. And I don't think that's actually a great actor, too, but, but, like, Bruce Willis, Bruce Willis tried really hard to try and be an actor, but he never got there, right?
So, he's a movie star, I think. And we'll do a whole pot on this, but the idea was the biggest movie stars of our lifetime in the past 50 years, because I just heard something about Harrison Ford, and they ripped off this... Well, he's, yes, for sure. Right.
So, but they ripped off this 20 years, this unbroken 20 years span of hit after hit after hit in big movies and movies you love and movies you know, and just an ending run of domination by Harrison Ford for 20 straightbacks. Right. Right. And it's not just about it because you were just talking about, you know, Dinero at this point had done great movies, but was he...
And one of the Academy Awards, you know, to be the lead in this kind of a movie. Right. So, when I say that Dinero is his most Dinero-ness, I mean, when people do a Robert Dinero impression, it's a mystery of their life. It's these three years of his life.
Yeah. It's the facial mannerisms, the way he speaks differently in this movie than he does in some other movie. When he extends that upper lip to do like that little, like, there's a specific Dinero-ness that comes out that nobody else does. So, when we get to trivia, let's compartmentalize and make sure we don't bleed into the casting.
Because I have more casting information on do trivia stuff. It's funny because I don't know, you know, in the form of the podcast, like typically I feel like these are siloed things. And for some reason, the recasting and some of the trivia, they all seem very interwoven and like it was incredibly hard to recast this movie and I know we'll get to it because of the original cast that was thought of and discarded was insane. Like, there were so many great options that they were looking at.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get there. I don't know what's going on with the casting information I have because it's ludicrous.
Okay. It seems like literally every big name you could ever think of. I don't think anything. Let's not do that yet.
Okay. Sure. It's weird information I think. Okay.
This, it definitely didn't invent this, but it was a new, it was a somewhat new twist on the odd couple comedy, the buddy comedy, the road trip movie. Right. I mean, it's side by side with Tommy Boyd, Plains Strange, the album of the Old Stoneman even Lethal Weapon, even though they're not cops necessarily, at one point they kind of flip both play FBI agents, but in 48 hours, this, of all those movies, this is more under the radar than all of them, but I think it's as effective as every one of those movies. I would agree.
And I guess I may have been somewhat ignorant of the, of how highly regarded this movie was. Yeah. Everyone loves it. I know.
But I love it, but I didn't think it was as widely loved. Right. Yeah. I sort of didn't think it was like, yeah, I don't think the actual movies got into time.
There were, there were, there were Fall's on, like, you know, best comedies of all time. Like, I, I don't know how I miss the boat this big on this movie. The fact that, I, I mean, I watched movies repeatedly. The same movies.
I know. I know. Like, how this one didn't get into rotation? That's what I mean.
Like it's a hole in my game that sure I've seen it, but it's not on heavy rotation. I haven't seen this. No. No.
in my brain that this shows up regularly. It's not on TV, it's not on cable, it never comes up anywhere. It's so strange. It is odd.
I had to dig around a while to find the rent it, but it was more widely recognized. And I think a lot more depth and value was placed, at least in the like Ewards or New in Cisco's review, were like very thoughtful about it. And I think they were really commending the director. And I think 48 hours, which did, he did Beverly Hillstop, right?
Yeah. Yeah. 48 hours, I think, is underrated for the relationship between Nolte and Eddie Murphy. And I think Eddie Murphy actually did a lot of the work there.
But this was the first one that among that list of things that you just read, there's a real, like there's an emotional weight and like intimacy, like you don't normally, just because these guys, kill it, the plot was not hard. It was not kind of a game. This is like, I mean, they kill it. I mean, this shows, though, when a, you know, better than average set of people behind the movie in terms of director and writer, like Groden said, it was the best script you ever read off of that.
It's funny because there's, but it was really, but they just clocked. But they, it's all the dialogue. Yeah, I was just going to, the plot was easy to come up with, you know, it's going back to your no-nonsense plot. It's really straightforward.
It's not a complicated situation. It's a mafia part is get this guy from A to B, the end. Right. There's a lot of that little mafia, but yeah.
Right. It's crazy. But it, like Rob, it is the dialogue, it's the banter. It's the nonverbal responses to.
It's De Niro almost breaking about four different times that I re-wowed to 50 times. Yeah. Yep. And I could watch Charles Groden's face all day in this movie.
Like just it is so delightful. It's so delightful. When he says something to De Niro just to wind him up. On the head front.
Sorry, I was like, remember when a jack's credit card keeps getting in the jack's head. That's great. That's what we're talking about. And Gro's just like, give me the Google eye to the clerk.
It was so great. When you watch that scene, you should not look at De Niro at all. I've watched it 100 times in 97 of them. I was watching De Niro get angrier.
And I just happened to remind myself, and it's the best part of the scene is Groden. I could not stop laughing. But last night, what I was watching. He's not even a sensor in the shot.
Like he's just from a cinematography angle. He's hard to find with your eyes. I think Charles Groden is playing two parts in this movie. One is the things he's saying.
The other one, his face is doing something completely different. It's two different performances. It's pretty insane. Well, it's a very, like there is the on the surface part of the character.
And then it's the undercurrent that everything is very intentional and very methodical to just poke just enough to make De Niro uncomfortable. But it's always like this innocent, like, just an accountant. That's why Groden was so good. It's so good.
So one thing I want to point out, when this movie starts, I was a little like taken aback by the theme song. It's the same thing. It's really kind of in your face. And it's extremely.
The first line of my young son's notebook opening a tar slash horns. What's up? What do you all think? I feel like, though, I had the same react I had in my head last night was every 80s movie, like Soundtrack is horns and saxophones, like just blaring in your face.
So this song is very generic 80s movie song. And then I looked it up. As you just mentioned, Rob, it's fucking Danny Elfman. Did this whole sound?
The whole soundtrack. He composed all the songs about music. This year, he had Batman and Midnight Run. And then when you go look at his IMDB.
Yeah, he's the second to John Williams, or maybe Randy Newman. Yeah. The movies that we know Danny Elfman did, with Tim Burton, whatever, and a few things here and there. OK, fine.
We know a half dozen of them. You look like it, and it's 70 movies long. Every movie is tough. It's incredible.
Yeah, it's an incredible one. Oh, no. He did Beetlejuice in this in the same year, not Batman. Batman was the year before, I guess.
Yeah. In 87? That name was 87. Was it or 89?
Yeah, I think so. OK, so this movie that everyone loves, saxophones-wise, not so lovable. Did OK. So let me give you the top 10, and I'll give you where Midnight Run falls in 1988.
Number one, who framed Roger Rabbit? 100, really? 60 million. You went so, I know, we all went to the theater for that, really.
Of course. Yes. No, that I absolutely didn't. I don't know that I was.
I don't know that I was. I think I made up for it, working at Toonville, and watching it 8,000 times. I will tell you. Well, I'll tell you which of these movies I didn't go see.
Because otherwise, I saw them all in the theater. Who framed Roger Rabbit? Coming to America, 128 million. Went to the Sun.
That one. Good morning, Vietnam, 122. Went to the Sun. Big, 114 million.
I saw that. Yeah, put a little star there. Yeah, right. We'll come back to that one.
Crocodile Dundee 2. I think anyone saw that one. Not positive. That's not good.
Three-minute baby. 90 million. This is terrible. Die hard.
83 million. I saw that. Number eight, Moonstruck. I did not see that in the theater.
Snap out of it. Yeah. Yeah. Nine, cocktail.
78 million. Saw that. Oh, totally small. And Beetlejuice number 10 at 73 million.
Midnight run was way down at number 26 at 38 million. Oh. But a money maker, though, right? I think the budget to make it was $30 million in made.
Oh, really? Yeah. So barely straight by. Yeah.
So run tomato score. OK. Audience. What did the audience give?
Run tomato score. Right, he read it. Sir. I need to disclose something.
But you looked around. As I was tooling around the Google machine, I saw a critic's rat tomato. So I withdraw from or recuse myself from voting on the critics. I'm a critic.
All right. Yeah, I did not see that. Then what do you think the audience gave it, Slim? I actually think they're going to be like it.
I don't want to say anything. I'll just give you a straight out number. I'll say they thought 89. That's too high.
I just feel it. I'm going to say 84. Critics, our audience, gave it an 87. 7%.
And Al, what do you think the critics gave it? 84. 84. 10, 94.
Really? I'm going to say that 94. Yeah, that was shocking when I saw it. That's an impressive number.
Yeah, that's a really big number. Like, I felt 84 was like, no, I'm moving to clearly the viewers loved. Yeah. Like, oh, I mean, there's not a lot of 87s out there.
And they were like, oh, no, take it up. You can really see the critics not be into this one. 94%. That's all I've read.
And I think you just made it out though. The formula was, let's challenge two really good actors with just the most basic plot of all time. And not really, there's a couple of action scenes that are executed pretty good, I guess. That desert car chase was more impressive than I remember.
Yeah. But we're just going to make you talk the whole time. Right. And they've definitely pulled that off.
OK, trivia. I'm going to try to not get into the casting stuff. That's what I'm saying about the interrelated nature. You can't.
It's all casting almost. I'll throw a couple of things out there. Dennis Farina, our guy, Chicago cop, or extra Chicago cop, shot all of his scenes in Las Vegas because he was also shooting crime story there as well. So everything with him is in Vegas.
Fine. Great. And oh, and that was the biggest airport again? Yeah, we can.
Oh, if that carpet could talk. I generally goes for most carpets, but definitely for that carpet. Yeah. How many times have you slept on that carpet?
Oh, good. Several times. Definitely. I mean, my body on it.
My head was usually on a double bag or a stranger's feet. I was just going to say, put it on my shoes. A crumpled up bag of McDonald's. That and my last $8 by two versions of the Sunday, New York Times.
So I look below. The famous litmus configuration scene was mostly improvised. Yeah. And an exciting thing.
So interesting, some improvisations in there, too. He does turn into the guy next to him. But apparently, as I read at least, there were several other takes where he was off. They got into greater dialogue.
And obviously, the extra wasn't prepped with lines. No. But can you, Charles, I'm just going to start riffing with you and hear some vocal yoga. I actually had my best of the answer.
And supposedly, as the story goes, one of those outtakes was, so if you ever gone to prison, and the guy responds, yes. And he's like, what for? Murder, but I didn't do it. I was like, that's so good.
Fucking extra. He's like, security. That whole thing, what's your name? Red?
Yeah. Did you tie your hair? No. What?
I really read because of my last name. What's your last name? Wood. What?
Yeah, that's why I write our goddamn it. Allison, I know it's just like, what? That was a great line. Can we just pause for a second though on the improv?
So I was convinced, after a couple scenes, which I'll run through, that this was far more improvised than I thought. And then I tried to back it up. And I couldn't really back it up, other than a few key examples. Well, I thought Charles Rodin was given far more license than apparently he was.
Only a few times were purely off the rails. But I think they always did structured improv, where we need to get these plot points moving along and establish these ideas. But that stuff made it in. And everyone knows that you ever fucking animal Jack line was improv.
And most of that seems apparently is improv. But I think, unless I'm just completely crazy, the entire X-ray scene when De Niro's smoking on the bus, I mean, Groome is killing him. He's on the verge of busted like three times. So I mean, they all said no.
There was a well written script and everything else. But I'm not buying it. I'm like, I just feel like there was way too much loosey-goosey. That was hilarious.
They want to grow into go Adam once or twice. And grow to Adam six times. Right. It has to be.
That part was just more so that's one of the things that I recognize in the second time around here. The idea to have Jack Walsh continually checking his watch and the whole backstory of that was De Niro's idea. Which seems that one seems like that should have been in the script. How was that improv by De Niro or in addition by De Niro?
I don't know. Well, it goes, there was some throwaway line and one of the trivia lists about the relative research and prep that the two actors did for De Niro like LA cops and Chicago cops and interview Bill Bondsman and everything else. And Charles Jordan talked to his business manager about accounting. But the idea that you needed to have some kind of emotional weight, that was like a deeper level of the movie than I always thought of.
Now, did you guys see this? That the train scene in Flagstaff, Arizona actually prevented a real kidnapping? That is amazing. So they had all these police cars and people and police out there walking around and doing their thing.
And there was a kidnapper or a guy who was going to kidnap her or take this woman from a copy shop or something, a diner. And he got spooked by all the cops instead of taking her on the train or whatever he was going to take her and just throw it down and went away. Crazy. That's awesome.
Fucking real kidnapping. So that's all I have for trivia. You guys can add whatever you want. I have much more in casting stuff.
So the only thing that I saw that I laughed at because it goes, it harkens back to Bandit Colin Bandit. Which was there were three sequels to this movie. None of which were in the theater. They were all made for TV movies.
But the first one was another Midnight Run. The second one was Midnight Run Around. And then the third was Midnight Run for your life. They better say the title in the movie too.
Midnight Run. In the first 10 minutes. Yeah. Midnight Run, Colin, Midnight Run.
Yeah. Well, I learned something that there were sequels. I did not even know that. Yeah.
I did say that De Niro, Nor Grown are in either one. And as you've done, of course. But I did see that De Niro at one point was considering doing an actual sequel in 2010. Something like that through his production company.
But it never happened. I had that at the end when we talked about, do you want to see a sequel? Was planning a remake or a sequel with this production company from back up in 2010? Nothing ever happened?
Honestly. You know what? I think that we've lost track of a little bit in the old US film industry. I think they used to take new men and redfield or whatever.
They would take folks that had chemistry and go find a completely different movie. And why couldn't it be a different plot and different characters? And maybe they kind of do the same thing. But that's what we want to see anyway.
Why does it always have to be a sequel? I think they feel like the roles are so perfect that you've got to create another scenario for those two characters. I'm like, I don't care. Give them a completely different story.
Let's see what happens. Yeah. I'm talking about the West Anderson troupe. Or the perfect example.
Yeah. It's like Eugene Levy and Christopher Gas. Yeah. Or the two from the Edgar Wright movies, Simon Pegg and Nick Brock.
Yeah. And obviously, there's different ones throughout time. But I feel like someone's iconical. Maybe this one's on the outer edge.
But even more recently, they just get discarded because we've seen them together already. Yeah. Yeah. And when you find two big stars, we have that kind of chemistry.
Why not do that? It's OK. OK. I'm going to dive into the casting stuff.
OK. And one big, quick trivia. Because I guess this is kind of casting. But do we want to talk about one of the reasons why De Niro got more interested in taking this role?
He was targeting big. Yeah. That's one big big big. Which is, in my mind, kind of like a launching point and sort of an iconic thing for Tom Hanks and obviously the piano scene in F.A.
I mean, it's just sort of used incessantly on these clips at the Academy Awards, whatever. Can you lead you to De Niro in that movie? But he was looking for the lighter sort of movies. I know.
All the dark stuff he'd done up until then. But this is light. Or I guess, later on, we see him in Meet the Fockerers' appearance. He does it.
But the minute I run the body, light as I need my De Niro, you don't have to do big. Sorry. It's not going to work. No.
OK. I'm debating on where to go first on the casting. Let me go. I can't even figure out how to talk about the options.
Going to go. I'm going to leave the two main characters for last and go for the other guys. Here's some of the people I saw for Jimmy Serrano. OK.
The Dennis Farina character. OK. Ron Perlman, Dennis Hopper, Harvey Keitel, Ray Leota. I don't know if I even believe that one.
And Alec Baldwin. Coming off of Goodfellas? No, pre- What was Goodfellas, 91? 90.
90. Yeah. I was thinking he made a small for that. But I think he's on soaps or whatever before.
So yeah. Ray Leota, three years before Goodfellas. Yeah. And I actually have him on some options later.
But yeah, that one's hard to leave. But the other one's all makes sense, right? You can see. Oh, yeah.
He can almost. Yeah. I think Dennis Hopper will be great. OK.
Marvin Dorfler. I like both of these ones. John Goodman and John Candy. Yeah.
When they said Goodman, I was like, that would have been good, I think. Really good. I think that. Only if he played him as a Lebowski.
He was a great character. With the yellow shaded sunglasses. Yes. All of it.
And a bowling bag. All of it. Joe Pantoliano, who from this moment forward will be known as Joey Pans. He was the guy who played Eddie Marcon.
He was given the opportunity by the director of Brest to play one of the two goons that we liked. And he built great goons. I have some of those. And he said, no, I don't want to do that.
I want to play the Duke part. I want to play Groton's part. Oh. Yeah, you're not even going to do that.
So if you want to audition for Marco and fine, but either the goons or your Marco and he got Marco and fight by auditioning for it. I think this is an award. We're worthy. It's a small part.
But he is so good in this movie. He did. But the whole thing is just being a lunatic. Yeah.
No, I mean, it's not complicated. But he just did it. So I think he just did it. It's great.
He doesn't hold back at all. That's the thing. He knows that there's no middle point. He's like, yeah, he's on the phone and then smash it on the table.
OK, let's start with the. And no matter where he is, he goes into that Asian market and is just like losing his mind. At the top of his lungs. At an Asian diner.
Yeah, it demands their phone. Give it a try. Yeah, that's for me. Yeah.
OK, Jonathan Mardukas, aka the Duke, the Charles Groton character. The first one's easy. Albert Brooks turned down the role. Yeah.
Albert Brooks would have been fantastic in that. Yeah. Had he done that. But well, hey, Brendan.
Can I just say, literally, everyone you're going to say I think for Walsh or particularly the Duke on paper, you're like, oh my god, that sounds amazing. That sounds amazing. That sounds amazing. And if you would have written down De Niro and Groton on a piece of paper, I would have been like, not having seen it, right?
Right. So this is one of those things where I was actually talking to Ray about the people you're going to mention here. And she's like, oh, they all sound better than Charles Groton. No, no.
Or better than De Niro. I'm going to argue that he is the only one that I like of the potentials. Because I think it would have been much. So I don't have that many for the Duke.
Well, let's see what we get to. But so Albert Brooks turned it down, which to me, says he was offered it, right? The other three I have as we're considered are Bruce Willis, Bill Murray, and Steve Martin. And then those three are fine.
I see Martin will be good, I guess. I don't care about Bruce Willis doing that. And Bill Murray. Well, so I think Bruce Willis might have turned his career in a totally different direction.
But I mean, that's interesting. I think Steve Martin could have done this well. Bill Murray could have done well. The other pairing I heard, though, and I think it's about the pairing, was Harrison Ford and Chevy Chase.
And in 1988, Chevy Chase is intriguing to me. But it's a completely different movie. Because Chevy Chase has too much more sarcastic. Yeah.
Yeah. He'd be able to do the work with a different movie. But I mean, Chevy Chase and a guy like Harrison Ford, who is not going to take any bullshit. I feel like that might work well.
Yeah, yeah. I saw that as well. The other one that I saw, which was weird. I hope this is good.
It is. When Paramount Pictures had the movie early on, they brought in, the rest of the director, they wanted to cast Share as the, Share as the Grown Roll. Snap out of it. I was going to say, Robbie, where's your line?
So the director said, we're doing Grown, so sorry. And then Paramount said, OK, well, then we're out. We're done. And then Universal picked it up.
Wow. I mean, I guess to say maybe score one for the suits. It sounds like an intriguing idea. It does.
Except it would be like snappy, sarcastic, tough on top. I mean, there wouldn't be any just a position. And that's where it looks like the director saw what this could be and what the roles are. And they shouldn't be top on top.
It should be different. It wouldn't work. It wouldn't come off as a stupid buddy movie. All these are movies I would like to see in different versions.
I'll turn to the universes. We can have a lot of them in everyone's that we like. All right. Now, here's where it gets crazy for the Jack Wall's one.
So I have a list of, hmm, every actor that was working in Hollywood in my career. It really is crazy. I don't know what to believe. Like I saw different ones.
And some of them make sense. Some of them don't make any sense. I can't believe all of these people were really just say, go Google the top 15. It's crazy.
So I will run through them as quickly as possible. But it's insanity. Mel Gibson, Kurt Russell, Michael Heaton, Richard Geer, Bert Reynolds, Clint Eastwood, Charles Bronson, Gene Hackman, Don Johnson, Tommy Lee Jones, John Travolta, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Al Pacino, Jack Nicholson, Mickey Rourke, Jeff Bridges, Ryan O'Neill, John Voight, Michael Douglas, and Dustin Hoffman. And here's the full name.
So this list is so. It doesn't mean it doesn't mean it doesn't mean it doesn't mean it. It's nothing. We're getting bad information.
Yes. Because I mean, that list is like, yes, if I was making a movie, I would want those people to somehow. Yeah. I didn't see anything else to confirm or eliminate anything.
So I'm just saying this is just nonsense. But I think some of these were like, I think this was on IMDB or something. So I think it's like one person added three names that they saw, some other person added four more names that they saw. And I think it's just this is the combination of all that.
But it's ludicrous. It's crazy. Especially when I think DeNiro got the role early on, he was attached, thanks to the director. I think he was like on from the get-go.
So I don't know how many of these people were considered at all. I don't think that was even a possibility. I don't know why I have the reaction of when I hear a big list like that, if it were accurate, I'd be like, these people had no idea what this movie was going to be. Like if they've got, it's like the shotgun approach of we're going to ask a thousand people for a lead role.
You don't think they're auditioning all these people where Dustin Hoffman came in, followed by Arnold Schwarzenegger? Well, no, but I'm just saying. Of course, it's ridiculous. But I'm just saying, if they were like, oh, it could be this, or it could be these 15 people.
Like, what are we? I mean, it just feels a little, whenever you give a big list like that, and I was like, either the list is wrong, or these people didn't have a vision for what the character really was going to be because it's pretty varied range that's in there. In the past, there's been some information tied to it. This is just a list of names, and we are communicating bad information right now.
So great. Well, good. But I do think a couple of combinations could have one. Yeah.
We talked about the Nero and Big. Great. So unless there's any further ado, it's time to make after me. Can we actually get an answer to getting married?
Well, I didn't know where you were going. I didn't know which thing you were going to. I mean, for dramatic effect, nothing. I have to do it once the show.
So one further ado, the fact that we already talked about the value placed on the dialogue, actually, in the scenes coming off, because the plot's so simple. So one of the things, and I know it's apparent, but one of the things I clearly skipped over a bunch of the other times I've seen the movie is when Jack goes home to his ex wife and his daughter. And that is like, that's a real moment in a film and a dramatic moment. And I'm assuming it's what drove a lot of the reviews in the sense that like, and that probably would have been the first third of the week.
You have a pretty, first of all, important scene and then pivotal in the plot, I mean, else that they just kind of nail, and it was more emotionally hitting than I remember this movie even approaching. But it just, I think goes again to show that there was some, like the craziness that Nero did for Cape Fear or these other movies gaining weight or working out or doing that, he like brought the same shit here. Like he made the same kind of intense moves and preparation for this and kind of showed it in those like two or three scenes that were like, that's where this becomes better than an average movie. It was interesting because it was the whole thing was just all awkward silences.
There wasn't a lot of, like, so perfect. You know, yeah, it was, it would have been had this movie been made today. It would have been much differently and more drawn out and more over the top in some of it was a kind of small little moment. It was good.