Pubcast 77: Rushmore

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Welcome to the Rushmore episode of the Pubcast. This time I'm joined by Allison Eric and Jill. To break down the first Wes Anderson movie we've done on the Pubcast, Rushmore. Rushmore is only Wes Anderson's second film that's arguably his best.

This is the movie that solidifies his signature style where every frame seems to be centered and symmetrical and the movie feels almost vintage as he leans into the look and feel of nostalgia. Chances are you either love Wes Anderson movies or hate them, but this is certainly his most accessible film. So get out your harpsichord, your manual typewriter, your degree in court of race suit, and we break down Rushmore. These are the names that define our world, the artists who shaped our minds, the rebels who challenged our views.

But of all these legends, there is one that stands above all others. I'm sorry, did someone say my name? Sir, please. What's the secret, Lax?

The secret? I think you just gotta find something you love to do and then do it for the rest of your life. For me, it's going to Rushmore. Shut up, old guy.

He's one of the worst students we've got. Would you invite that kid to your party? Max Fisher, come on, Dad, there's gonna be girls there. Put your head on your...

Put your head on your... Maybe I'm spending too much of my time starting up clubs and putting it on place. I'm in a place. It's time, homie.

Kiss me, little one. Rushmore. I like the nurses, you know, one guy. These are...

Oh, are they? Oh, are they? Oh, son. Oh, son.

Oh, son. All right, Rushmore, 1998. This is the no-nonsense plot, Jill. One of my favorites.

This is not just a preference. This is not as... It's super drive, it's super long. It's longer than it was supposed to.

Teenager at Rushmore Academy falls for a much older lady, older teacher, sorry, and the friends in the middle-aged industrialist. Later, he finds out that his love interest and his friend are having an affair, which prompts him to begin a vendetta. Super drive. Yeah, got to the point.

But there is a lot more detail in there. I know, we've had some of these like... 11 words and we go... And there's not an adjective in there.

Like it's just nouns, verbs, and maybe like an article or a proposition, that's it. Yeah. So, where were you when you first saw it? What impact did it have?

Then we can start talking about what we'd like and what we were amazed by and what we didn't like and all that stuff. We don't dislike anything with this movie. Let's be clear. I think this group is all in on this movie.

So, this was in December of 98. It came out. He would have been in Chicago, just barely. Right.

I'm highly confident we saw it in the theater, although I'm not remembering clearly. But... No, definitely so on the theater. There was nothing like it.

We'd ever seen this movie. It was unusual and quirky. And the definition of West Anderson's style to come. Yeah, the first thing I saw it actually was at your apartment on in Chicago.

Oh, really? And it was the summer where I interned. It was the summer of 2000, I think. And I watched it, was blown away.

It was like nothing I had ever seen and I wanted to rewind it and watch it. So, it's so good. Eric, about you. I first saw it.

I did not see it in the theater. December 98th, I was in basic training. So, I watched, I went to and branded it at Blackbuster on Anderson's recommendation. Nice.

And watched it in the barracks when I was in the army. They were showing it much more like in the Miss Hall? No. He was in the shed.

Yeah, when I was, by that February, I was in Airborne School. And I think I saw every movie in the theater there. But the Rushboards, I point to. Yeah.

Obviously, I wouldn't know. So, I don't even know exactly when I saw it if it was in 99 or even maybe even later. But yeah, it was a Blackbuster rental for me. So, we watched it this week.

And during the first of the movie, I was taking notes on my phone. Here's what I wrote down. But first of all, just to note, I think we paused it for the first time, which we often pause during a movie at like minute, two and a half. Like we couldn't get five minutes into the movie before hitting pause and like talking about it.

So, here's what I wrote down. First thing, the music. Yes. We'll get to that in a second.

Opening scene, the whole Max Fisher intro, the Bill Murray speech. Dirk as the little buddy, like I wrote down like a great West Anderson trope in his other movies. He's all the little assistant helper guys. It's like a protege.

Protege. The Max Montage, the pictures of him starting all the clubs. And then I write down, we're only five minutes into the movie. All that stuff happens.

All this establishing everything you need to know. We're five minutes in. That's when we stopped it. We're like, what?

Yeah, it's so good. I remember this being over like a half hour, like establishing all this stuff. The first five minutes, it's insane. It's a pitch perfect movie.

I mean, he's able to get everything in. So, it's pretty tight. Like there's not a lot of like extra, everything is very intentional. Every moment, every camera shot, everything about it.

Yeah. The music. Yeah. Amazing.

It's such a great soundtrack. Right. So many people have this soundtrack and none of it is billed with, I mean, there's might be one or two here and there. They're like things you would have heard on the radio.

But for most artists, like older, classic 60s. Yeah, I think they went for like British Invasion. Yeah. I saw something that at one point, he was trying to figure out if he could do the entire soundtrack as the kick with the kinks.

And then kind of like change it up. Yeah. Just because it's that much better. But you know, you got like the harpsichord in there.

Right. It's amazing. Yeah. It's stuff for the most part.

I hadn't even heard any of it before. No. But everybody owned the soundtrack. Yeah.

Or wanted to do it. Yeah. So watching this movie, and then after this, if you go 10 and bombs, and you go like a quadrick, and then you start getting into this stuff, the style becomes front center really. Right.

But it starts in this movie. So I was thinking about that. I didn't want to get into the, you know, we all have seen the videos of, you know, everything's center frame. And, uh, Symmetrical.

Symmetrical is the use of the future of font. The thirds and the very engineering of each frame. Right. Fine.

But so I saw that Wes Anderson had a connection with this French photographer. You know French much more than anybody else on this podcast. We. Uh, Jacques Henry Lartigue.

Or Lartigue. Uh, I'd say Lartigue. Lartigue. Okay.

So this French photographer, you know the pictures of Max starting all the clubs. And the iconic one is with him on the little pedal racer car. Off-center with his knees like a ski, whatever. That's a direct homage or exact copy of a picture that this photographer took of his brother on a broken pedal car sitting over like that.

And his brother's name is ZZU. Oh, wow. Which was the lead character in the life quite. Yeah.

So he's very influenced by this guy. And like a lot of the quirky pictures of this guy took are super Wes Anderson. Like this is a photographer was obsessed with like weird boats, like weird, uh, uh, watercraft. There's a picture of his brother ZZU in this, let's call it an inner tube, essentially.

But you never get wet. Like it has like waiters on the bottom. Like waiters under an inner tube. So he's floating down the river.

So you see every tube you see his legs hanging out the bottom of it. It's like a boat that's somewhere. Oh my gosh. But he appears to be dressed like Max in the green coral race suit with like glasses and like a hat.

Like a weird sixties hair. Uh, it's insane. It's absolutely insane. But so all of this is, say Wes Anderson didn't just come up with the style by himself.

He took pissing pieces here and there and he's super influenced by these French photographer, the French cinema, the British invasion stuff. Like he's got an animation of all this stuff. It's super cool. But ZZU was fucking ridiculous.

Oh, and at least four of this guy's photographs are referenced in the film and appear in the film as like in the background on the walls, chalkboard and stuff, whatever. All right. That's basically it. Anything else to add for like favorite scenes or bits or before I get into the box office?

So this will be this is this is free. I know, but you're not into memorable scenes and quotable. No, that's later because you just asked for scenes. So I just want to make sure.

No, but favorite for member instance of the movie. Well, I think I think the calligraphy I kind of love like that touch of like his personality or like the the business card for the extension at the high school. Like these little things that you know they show that visually like draw out his personality and his the seriousness he takes Rushmore Academy and going there. It's such earnestness.

Yes. West Anderson and Max in this movie are obsessed with like accessories like cards and clipper feet and the culture. Yeah. But I would say what's interesting.

I actually just thought of this right now. Max does the same thing as Gustav H is they have a refined personality, but they'll drop it at the top of the head like all of a sudden I'll be like, I'll fuck it, you know, and it's a veneer. It's a veneer. I love it, but he has this whole thing.

They both they try to make it seem like their personality, but it's put on. Yeah. Well, I mean, he's obviously it's a put on. Sorry to ruin it for people who haven't watched it, but I mean lying about his dad being a surgeon.

So I had that stuff written down as questions. My first question I wrote down was what does Max's deal? What is his what's his whole other than his dad as a barber and he's trying to compete with his older kids or fit in with these rich kids. What he's so insane and quirky and doing all kinds of weird stuff.

I think I think his mother dying and she encouraged him to write plays a little on Act about Watergate. That's right. Thought that he should go to Rushmore and I think that that card break and wanting to make her proud and you know being the atmosphere he was in. I think that's his deal.

Yeah. He never he never got past it. His mom wanted him to go to Rushmore and now he's there. That's what he says he wants to do for the rest of his life.

It's like the ongoing connection to her and if he leaves then. Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

And then so we have another connection to Life of Quiet, and that's the book that Max is reading that was the what's the name Applebee? Edward Applebee's book. That's a book from Jacques Cousteau and that's who Steve Zuzu, his character is essentially loosely based on Jacques Cousteau and that was played by Don Murray. Yeah.

So he must have had this life of quiet in the back of his head or he was doing something with it around the time you were making this movie. I'm sure. I don't think I've realized that Owen Wilson co-wrote this until. Really?

Yeah. A lot of this is taken or inspired by Owen Wilson's school life. Yeah. Yeah.

I believe he was expelled from his high school. Right. Yeah. That's right.

I also wrote down one of the things I love is Bloom and his twin sons. Oh. That whole relationship is amazing in the car. That quick edit of those boys pressing the buttons for the AC and it going on full blast is the greatest.

And I think every parent has experienced that when they pick their kids up from school or like we get out of soccer practice and I remember wanting to crank up the AC and our mom would be like, oh, it's too much. Everybody knows that at that point. I think there's also watching them wrestle and then with that scene where they're opening their gifts and it's a crossbow. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Just a totally crazy gift that the kids obsessed with. Very violent gift. Yeah. Amazing.

Yeah. And just the cutaway to that portrait, that family portrait at all. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I saw in there that Bill Murray really was pre annoyed by those twins in real life. And so some of the facial expressions were real. All of like the insults are like, were all improvised. It was just like he was like, he seems to be like he'd be a bit method though, that he would hate them because he needed to.

Yeah. The painting of Herman Bloom's family seen during the opening credits and hanging, whoever currently hangs in Wes Anderson's house. That's awesome. That's beautiful.

Yeah. Or when they're he's outside the car and they lock it and lock and lock and lock. Yes. He's so fucking mad.

I don't want to. I'm locking it. That's nuts. I love it.

I don't think it's great. We didn't even mention though when he like pushes him back into his seat while driving. Yeah. I don't want to use that.

I don't want to use that. I don't want to use that. I'm trying to hit him. I'm trying to grab him.

Every bird is wanting to do that. Few have dared to actually try. Oh my god. Why am I shoulder so bad?

I'm trying to push. Okay. Box office. Rushmore not a box office darling in my day.

Sure. So I was looking at this. I pulled the top 10 like usual and then I realized they have movies that were not like came out like in December of 97 but the bulk of their gross was in 98. So this that may be happening with all these movies.

We're putting it with the it's a little weird. And I say that because I kind of want to include the ones that shouldn't be included because they're so big. Okay. Because it makes this year like a ridiculous crazy year.

Okay. Like oh a little movie called Titanic in 98. 488 million. And I didn't have that here.

It came out the year before. Like you missed the whole first three weeks or four weeks of its run which are just huge. So top 10 number one Titanic 488 million. Number two on again 198.

Right. I mean these are all like big blockbusters. Good or bad. They're all these movies.

Number three is Saving Private Ryan 190. There's something about Mary 174. The water boy 147 no water boy. Wow.

Doctor do a little 144 million. Oh my god. That's five. Deep impact 140 million.

Oh my god. That's right. Armageddon and deep impact. So here's the name.

The same year. Same year. Two asteroid movies. Godzilla 136 million.

Holy cow. You're not a wonder though on the asteroid movies. Like it wasn't like bring it on. Like somebody was like going around and pedaling the same idea to multiple studios.

It happened to me now. Yeah. Like there was that one year there was all those magician movies. You know like there's you know.

They get made and sometimes one is delayed by year and all of a sudden you know somewhere or whatever. Rush Hour at number 936 million. I thought that made way more than that. But whatever.

Good Will Hunting 133 million. Number 10. Wow. I thought that that was a big one.

The top 10 the lowest was 130. Right. That was a huge. People are going to the movies.

Without stripping out the movies that may or may not belong in 98. 98 is one of the greatest movies of years ever as far as big movies. Yeah. I mean it's things I'm not mentioning.

I wrote it down there. I wanted to talk about this. So people hunting was 10. I'll read out some of the notables after it.

Like they're not above life. 127. But that was 12. When the Academy of War for Best Animated.

As good as it gets. Enemy of the state. The wedding singer. You've got mail.

All right. It's going to be as great as I thought it was. Yeah. What dream did they come?

Oh, I love that movie. Yep. Tomorrow never dies. James Bond movie that no.

I still know you did that summer. Big last summer. That was bigger. Pleasantville.

Halstela got her grew back. We're not doing it. All right. That's what we're waiting.

Yeah. That's what we're doing. But then it's okay. Forget it.

Not that great. All right. Screw this year. Okay.

So that's the top 10. We talked about 133 is lowest. Rushmore. Yeah.

17 million dollars. Really? That's it. Right.

Now how much did it cost to make? Only cost nine million. Great return. This is West Anderson's second movie.

Yeah. And the first one, I mean, that was really independent. Yeah. Indian.

Indian. Indian. I don't know. I remember.

I kind of remember it. It got a lot of publicity later because I remember. Bottle rocket or? Rushmore.

Rushmore rocket. Because West Anderson won like the MTV like new Best New Filmmaker award for bottle rocket. I think that kind of that's the first time I saw bottle rocket because of that award. I agree.

And that's what maybe first time I saw West Anderson. So I did I see already see bottle rocket before I saw Rushmore. Oh, yeah. I saw it afterwards for sure.

I definitely saw it after. Me too. It feels a little bit like a college project movie. Like it's super low.

Yeah. I mean, it's, you know. But at the same time, you can still, it's as early as it is. You can still kind of see the West Anderson miss all that.

Yeah. Well, you've got the Wilson boys in it. Right. That's to me.

That's a Marshall. That's the top of it. The top of it. Uh, run to make a score.

Okay. Thanks for audience first. Audience. All right.

Why do you think the audience scored this movie yet? So I always provide the context that it's what percentage of the critics gave it a good score, essentially a thumb up or a thumb down. Yeah. Or audience.

So we're doing audience first. Right. Oh, yeah. In both categories.

What so if something scores a 62, it's not a mallemation that everyone is ranking. It's 62% of the audience or whoever just gave it a thumbs up or, you know, vice versa. Uh, so what do you think? Much more, you got it with the audience audiences.

Well, we always say that we always think the audience is nicer and easier. And I think we're always wrong with that. I'm going to say 87. 87.

Really? Jill? I would say probably 68. Ooh.

Yeah. I know a lot of people don't like him. So I think I'm crazy. So.

Eric. My, um, my guts at 90. 90. Whoa.

90. Uh, okay. The audience gave it a 91. Oh, wow.

Okay. So I'll be as well. It is. I know.

I'm glad to be a part of the 91%. There's definitely people that don't. Well, what's Anderson? I think if you're going to win the West Anderson movie, it's going to be Rushmore.

It's the most mainstream of all of his movies. They get quirkier as they go. Right. And theoretically, when, I don't know when these polls have been taken, but if they include stuff that originally came out, I'm not sure if they had a data.

People wouldn't have been influenced by his later work. Right. Okay. Critics.

Critics. What were they scored? Rushmore. I'm going to see this is where I would have said 92.

I actually think the critics would like it more. I think it's a 92. Jill? I'm going to say 93 and 1 of her.

Because I agree. Eric. I must have defined 90. Someone got it on the nose.

Critics gave Rushmore a 90. So the audience 91 critics 90. Wow. That's a strong showing.

Have you seen that before? I don't know. That's a strong showing. All right.

Trivia. Yes. We talked about something. Sorry.

The painting is in Herman, or in a film, or painting a film, or in the Bloom family is in West Anderson's house and the soundtrack with the Kings. Yeah. So two things. One that the play at the end is a version of Apocalypse now.

But with Francis IV, Coplop, and as just a reminder, it is the uncle of Jason Torzmann. Yeah. I didn't even think of that. Jason.

I knew that. I didn't think about the relationships. Like I've ever done this together. It's not a son.

Yeah. There are a number of Godfather and Coplop ties and references throughout them. I'm not even going to get into all of them, but one of them is Coplopo didn't like the movie early on, because specifically in the restaurant scene with not only those in the other world. It's a little bit less than me.

They're drinking not Coplopo's wine. They're drinking one of his competitors. Oh. And you get annoyed by that.

No, funnily. Yeah. That's right. Wow.

You know, it's interesting. I mean, I'm trying to get out of your time. Jason Torzmann being the son of famous acting and directing family, but 1800 actors auditioned for the role of Max. And it's, I mean, I know he was a relative unknown from an acting perspective, but I just still find it interesting that 1800 people auditioned to find the son of.

And it was his first movie, too. Yeah. Well, I know. But I mean, but to find the son of this famous, you know, Talia Shire and nephew of Francis IV Coplo, like it's just like.

Why does it work? Put it into him. Right. You know, who knows?

You kind of have to be like born to play that role at that age. You know what I mean? He was 18. He was 18 in that role.

Still, that's young. No, I'm saying it's amazing that he was 18. His first movie, he was so good. 18.15, whatever who cares.

But yeah, I'm, I thought he was 22, you know, 21, whatever, but he's 18. So I've got one other piece and this is a shout out to Rob. But the scene with Max buying the dynamite is in Obama. Oh yeah.

Key to when Bell Kilmer buys the dynamite, including charging it to an Arizona company. Yeah, I wrote that back to you. That's amazing. I didn't, I never would have picked it out.

No. Myself, but once it's mentioned, I'll be, oh yeah, of course. Yeah, definitely. We talked about Schwartzman.

Herman's, Herman Blum's first parents giving the speech at the class was inspired by the speech given by Owen Wilson's father. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh my god.

I heard that he heard somebody talking on the phone. Like his, heard his father in a conversation with Ketchum in the crosshairs and take them down. I possibly, who knows what's true, but I saw multiple places that Wilson's father gave a speech to his school or someone's school instead of something similar. So, you know.

The teacher in the beginning is the son of Mr. Little Jeans later on. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, who plays.

I don't know what his name is in Real Ten of Bombs, but they please the little buddy, little mentor helper. But Coda? Coda. Coda.

Yeah. The last time you put it nice to be, you hear me? Yeah. So he's Mr.

Little Jeans in this one and his son is the math teacher in the beginning. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah.

Lute Wilson suggested the, oh, are they? Oh, it's so good. Fantastic. Early in the draft of the script saw Max attempting to become headmaster of Rushmore and entering into a war with Dr.

I'd be behind him. That's a good movie. There are a number of parallels between Rushmore and Charlie Brown Christmas. Oh, tell me.

Tell me more. In Rushmore, Max's dad is a barber. So was Charles Schultz's dad. Oh, well.

Max flies a kite. Charlie Brown was often seen by a kite. Oh, yeah. We're trying to fly a kite.

Max is seen wearing a winter cap and carrying a plant similar to the scene in Charlie Brown when Charlie Brown Christmas. In the beginning, the December sequence in the barbershop, there's a musical interlude in the Charlie Brown Christmas you can hear in the background. Yes. Yeah.

Also to get up at Max's dad wares, the hunter cap underneath and the thermos and the flannel. That's sort of the Charlie Brown. Oh, yeah. Look about it.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Charlie Brown Christmas. That's interesting.

That's interesting. It's not about heat and the dynamite. I mean, there's a lot of connections to Michael Mann and Heat. Brian Cox as Dr.

Guggenheim played Annabellelelector in Manhunter, which is a Michael Mann movie, all that sort of stuff. Oh, so my only godfather thing I'm going to mention, it kind of ties everything into one. When Max asks the headmaster Guggenheim not to expel him for old timesake, which is hilarious. It's echoing a scene in the godfather when Tessio asks Tom Hagen to get him out of being executed for old timesake.

Oh my gosh. That's amazing. Brian Cox, the headmaster, played Marlon Brando in Elizabeth and Schwartzman's mother, Tela Shire, played Brando's daughter and godfather. So it's all sort of things related.

It's all 60 reasons. It feels like the Kennedy conspiracy. The Grassy Knowle. We talked about Edward Abbe's book, Shaku Stowe.

All right. Eric, did you have a mica? Sir Pico? Uh, no.

I covered him. Oh, the only, I found no casting stuff for this movie as far as who was considered except two. Noah Taylor was considered to be Max and he ended up in two other Wisconsin movies. I don't know.

He was in the Life Aquatic as one of the guys, one of his crew. And he was in the Grand Budapest Hotel. It was like a baller or a... Was it the guy that had stabbed in the Life Aquatic by the pirates?

Because I think that he might have been also in Grand Budapest. Oh, no, no. That's Max's dad, isn't it? No.

No. No. The guy that can't remember. No.

All right. No. Anyway, a bit player if you saw his face, you recognize him, but I can't describe. He is.

So the other one Elijah Wood was considered for Max. I saw no other casting of anybody anywhere. I have no idea. Okay.

It's probably still in a notebook somewhere that Wes Anderson has and wouldn't be typed out in the Grand. Yeah. Maybe Wes Anderson has much more casting of movies than we'll be going to have a recast. So it's time for recastorator.

Better close the door. It's time to be castor bait. This was last time for this one. Barry.

As Jill said, it's hard to like redo or outdo perfection. This movie is well, well cast. This movie is a chef's kiss, a perfection. This is one of the rare times where I think we all will have the hardest time casting the lead role.

Yeah. We've had movies where we're tired of cast, but it's just, yeah, the supporting guy or the whoever. This is the most important person who's in every scene. And I had it.

It was impossible. It was impossible. And there's such a look about him. Like he's a unique looking individual to pull off this.

The personality of this character. It's so hard to kind of think of anybody else. And because this was, this is often the type of character type of casting where they are discovering somebody. So it's like, you can't imagine this person being in anything else because you are, they're brand new.

And so this is all that you know. And so it just completely embodies what you think he is in real life. Cast this is to find to plot somebody out of security. Yeah.

Schwartzman was the physical opposite of what they were trying to cast. What were they trying to cast? It was described as like a young, I'm not having problems. A young McGregor, basically.

Lanky, tall. Was the other side. So the prop guy is from the Max Fisher players? Basically, the guy Noah Taylor at this at that age would have been like that.

The British invasion type. Right. Wow. Okay.

Schwartzman is the opposite. Right. So all right, let's cast Max. Okay.

Who wants to go first? Because mine is bullshit. Now you think you say you have a good handful of. Well, I've got some options.

This is not the one that I laughed out loud about as I was coming up with my recasting. So I think I've got, we're all going to come up with the same group of people like that. But I pick up, I've got Asa Butterfield, who is the main guy in Enders game. I saw that.

See, I run into the problem of not exactly their age, but they look too old. That guy's like 22 now or something or 25. I just saw him in something. He'd look like he's probably like 17 or 18.

So it's a little bit older than Max was supposed to be 15. Yeah, I saw the same list you did. And I, for the most part, dismissed them with all. So the other one I have is Finn Wolfard, who is from Stranger Things.

But the one that I kind of like is Jaden Martell, who is the Michael Shannon son and Knives out. Oh, yeah. Sure. I don't know.

I don't know where to go with. He was, I was trying to think like, I don't know a ton of young actors, but what I liked about it was he plays kind of a good moody character. And I thought that that could work for this. So that's my number one.

I'll go quick. You've heard one already. Finn Wolfard, that was my number one. Laky kid from Stranger Things and the new Ghostbusters movie.

Right. I don't, I guess he could do it. Whatever. I would just throw a rock and find some teenager.

And that's my max. I don't know. My other one, which I would like, but he may look too old would be, I went to a different Wes Anderson movie and plucked him and brought him back over here is Tony Revolori, zero from Gran Blue Pass. He's way too old.

He's 25. He's 10 years too old, seven years too old. Wow. Maybe he's, you can do something.

Yeah. He plays a high schooler and Spider-Man. I don't know. I'm reaching.

I had a lot of problems with this. Yeah. Eric, what you got? I had, one name is way too old, I think at this point, but, and I used him in casting somewhere else, but I think it's Skyler, Gizondo.

He was in Booksmart. Which kid? He was the rich kid that was, that didn't have any friends. Oh my gosh, yes.

I think he could do it, but I think he's too old now probably. Yeah. Yeah. Jared.

This is tough because we have to explain like who the people are in this whole thing. Yeah. Like, you know. Um, I, I threw in a name, I had based on the looks alone.

He could play the part, but I haven't seen his big role yet. But Michael Gandolfini kind of looks like a backscher. Yeah. Potentially.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wait and see on that guy.

Yeah. And then my third name is a different kid from Stranger Things, Gettin Madarazzo. Yeah. The one that's got like the, uh, uh, Curly hair.

Yeah, Curly hair and, uh, sort of the, the shorter geekier one that, yeah, it's things never ending. Sorry. Basically a flippa coin with the Stranger Things cast and we're going to just do that. Yeah.

Yeah. Someone with one of them. Jill, anything to add? So my, my only person that I can even think of who is too old, I don't know if anybody's ever watched my life in pieces, but the teenage son.