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Welcome to the Tommy Boy episode of the podcast. Alison, Rob, and Ed, join me to break down this 1990s classic, starring Chris Farley and David Spade. This movie holds a special place for us as we all went to Marquette University as did Chris Farley. And the character of Tommy Callahan even graduates from Marquette in the beginning of the movie.
This movie, like a lot of the SNL movies, runs high on the jokes per minute scale. This is arguably the funniest of all the SNL movies. It's extremely quotable and re-watchable and really feels like a timeless comedy. So quit playing with your dinghy and check out our breakdown of Tommy Boy.
You snikies. Except for me? No, son, that's for me. Yeah!
You know a lot of people go to college for seven years. I know. They're called doctors. There's always, has been, always will be a family firm.
Oh, son of a, someday my son will run. Luke, I am your father. Hello. I've been rough in happy time.
That's my name. That's your new office now. Whoa. Do we really want to put the future of the company in Tommy's hands?
Promise me you'll look after Tommy Boy until he gets his feet wet. Sure. You're using me. Tommy, this is not a vacation for me.
I'm not here against my will. At least you can do his pretend to work. Oh, I can actually hear you getting fatter. All right, it's jail time.
Do you remember? We don't take... No, for an answer. No.
Okay, okay. I'm gonna pass you. Gotcha. Thanks.
Son of a... That's gonna leave a mark. Okay, let's check you out. All right.
That's a clip-by. Hey, you sure? I'm pretty... He's a big dumb animal.
He's me, folks. No, son of a... What'd you do? I'm a maniac.
Maniacal. I'm the soul. You do I paint chips when you were kidding. All right.
Tommy Boy 1995. I'm already lucky. The no-nonsense plot. Are you interrupting me before I say the no-nonsense plot?
No, I'm not saying anything. Stop the show, killer. Please, please, please, please. Please, please.
After his auto-parx tycoon's father dies, the overweight, under-achieving son teams up with a snide account to try and save his family business. That's a good one. That is a... That's...
I don't think that's no-nonsense. I think that thing communicated a... That thing retraged me right there. It's got color.
It's offensive a little bit. I didn't know how it was going to end. It was... All right.
Overall reaction to the movie. Where and when you saw it, the impact, what you like about it, don't like about it, overarching theme, that sort of thing. We were all okay. How many of us saw it together?
Did we see this? I distinctly remember piling into someone's car and going to see it. I feel like we were in like Senna's Firo or something like that. Or did somebody else have a car?
I don't know. I don't think so. Sure you thought they might have. Yeah.
Ew. Always important. Yeah. You know, I know it was out.
So this was 95, right? So right about that time. For some of March. Yeah.
Some of us were graduating. Others of us. Yeah. You did another year.
Weird. Regardless, we were coming up to finals week. Right. Yeah.
I just somehow associated with one of my first jobs, like post school. I don't know why. Obviously it was the same thing, Rob. It was more like in March of 95, like it wasn't really released.
It wasn't really out there. Or certainly in video, it was always released a year later. So I was kind of thinking the same thing. I don't think it would be a college thing.
Well, I mean, yeah. That may have been the case. I was in my definitely saw in March. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I feel like this is a creeper movie though in the sense that it built on me between 1995 and 2000. It wasn't so much of a like, you know, oh my gosh, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Oh, I know that I would agree with that. I think it was kind of funny out of the gate.
It became like it was fairly quotable right away, but it became a part of the fabric of, you know, our lives and kind of cool over. Oh, no. I mean, 100% I mean, you talk about impact. Impact.
It's like a top three movie that I quote. Yes. This swingers and I don't know, probably base of Intura. And this down your way, like definitely Trump says the other two, but like online of night.
I remember watching it, I think in the chime house with Allison Brendan and Holly. That's definitely definitely definitely definitely. That's the first consciousness that I remember. I don't remember seeing it in the movie theater.
I think I remember seeing it in the chime house in Milwaukee, like 96 or later seven. But to the point of the, like, to the level it has seeped into everyone's consciousness, like, Holy Shneikis is not like a intergenerational exclamation in my household. Like, which I never heard, you know, obviously those movies, but you know, my kids sometimes are like, Holy Shneikis. Like, Tommy Boy is one of Liam's sort of movie.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it transcends the generations. I forget it.
I mean, he saw a couple of years ago, whatever it was, I don't know, three years ago. And at some point, I don't know, a year after that, for some reason, I said, Oh, yeah, you know, that guy and Tommy Boy, he died. He's like, what? He was like shocked and like, it affected him for a second.
A little bit sad. He was like, what? He was like, what? Well, there was like a couple, but no new ones.
Well, there's the same movie filmed in three different ways, like, which will actually do. Yeah. It was a Shneikis and son of a, I didn't say it was like, son of a being like, like a dozen hands in this movie. I mean, it says that a lot in like, you know, a friend you say all 10 out of the time.
Let's, let's, I'm going to try not to step on our quotes until later, but we can definitely impact in what's possible. It's not. And I think, you know, at the time that this movie came out, it was not, there's nothing digital online that you can watch the movie fairly quickly. You're renting a VHS from Blockbuster.
Like, so it takes time. Like, I think we all appreciated it and you could buy it. Maybe you watched it after you went out to bars if you bought the video. But it wasn't until I think it was on DVD and digitally available that it really become like people just, it's so rewatchable.
Yes. But when it came out in 95, Chris Farley was the force of nature on SNL. He was the funniest guy on that show. Yeah.
And it was coming along. He wasn't quite there yet. But Farley was the guy and had been. And it was the leader.
I mean, Farley was the most explosive, but Sandler was coming on as like the emerging star. But yeah, I mean, you wanted to find out what Farley was going to do that. We'd like, what was he going to break or what was he going to do? And his core audience essentially were college students or people with the mentality of a college student.
Right. And that's the correct. That's the correct. Under.
Throw in the extra kicker of he went to Marquette and is wearing a Marquette rugby jacket in this movie. And we are at Marquette and we are drinking at the bars that he used to drink at. Like it was, I remember being significant for our crew or our group, even when it came out. Agreed.
For sure. Yeah, I do. Yeah. And I always answer the question that by Marquette, is that really what it looks like?
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to spoil that.
I'm not going to wait until trivia. So the stand in for Marquette was the University of Toronto. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Looks like it's a nicer school. Much nicer.
It looks like Marquette. Well, I don't know if it looked like Marquette. It looked like New York. It looked like Iraq.
It looked like JZU or the Accumification School. That's actually a wide hand. Yeah. Yeah.
We were green there. Well, exactly. Exactly. Well, I mean, before we get one more general observation, because look, I'm sure we're going to get it.
I got sort of two more bomb jobs to drop. So keep going. All right. Real quick.
The, obviously, the joke, the joke, the joker scene or multiple jokes per scene, but that similar to eight statistics on these other movies, you just get reminded of the machine gun nature, like the jokes or just joke, it's joke, it's joke, it's joke. But then I started just thinking into it, especially the first, I'd say, 20, 25 minutes in the movie. This thing is careening out of control and barely being held together. And I didn't know any of the backstory.
You know, this is a movie I appreciated just exclusively for what it was, like on Face Valley. I didn't like, you know, dig into it, like the gun father to find out, you know, what's the backstory on it. Right. But it was a shit show.
I'm looking into it a little bit. Like, I mean, they were, they hadn't really written the entire script by the time, you know, by the time they started shooting. And people like faxing in pages of the script in the morning, like they were supposed to be filmed. I mean, it was, it was not a well thought out piece.
And you just felt like it was like this mixture of SNL bits that didn't make it to the air. And they're like, how do we create a movie where we have this happen in a scene, right? If you watch, like the whole, exactly, if you watch the movie and you're paying attention, I mean, we've said this about other movies we've done on the podcast, but this one is particularly obvious. This is not a movie.
It's just a number of scenes strung together with a couple of characters. Yeah, it's like a series of skits. Yeah, that's all good. The same character, but kind of different.
It's like, you can put them in this scenario on a road, the coffee shop, the city of the kitchen. Yeah, like, let's make sure, let's make sure we can bust a board out of space so you can do that. You're not there. But, but your point is so well taken.
The people who get notoriety, like Dwyer and Ford, I think from the S&L's writing step that, you know, fix this quote unquote, they probably get the lines here for the big, like, gags, right? The person who should get the gold star for this is the one that forced just a modicum of a plot into it to hold it together. So you understand why the hell they were doing what they were doing because it's barely possible, but they just got it over the line. I read an article recently that Dwyer wanted to get personally with the seller in, and Speedy was like, what, we barely had enough for Tony, but did you change?
I wonder what we were going to think about. That's not a movie. It's not a movie. It's not a movie.
It's barely a skit. Totally. So here's my first bomb to drop. I don't usually do this, but this is a good one.
Roger Ebert. Yes. Yeah. I'm a famous movie reviewer, critic Chicago guy.
All right. Likes a lot of movies we like. We know it's sensibilities, or at least some of us do. Here's a few choice lines from his review of Tom.
Tommy Boy is one of those movies that plays like an explosion down at the screenplay factory. You can almost picture a bewildered office boy, his face smudged with so wandering through the ruins and rescuing pages at random. The movie is an assembly of cushays and obligatory scenes from dozens of other movies all are better. It's like the part was written by three writers locked in separate rooms.
No one is funny in Tommy Boy. There are no memorable lines. No memorable lines. Oh, what?
This was this made his like most hated. No, that part I saw. What was he had another movie that he later like realized he made a big mess. But this is a pretty big one.
Yeah. I'm doing this. This movie's highbrow in any way, shape or form. This is like slapstick comedy at best.
The level of which he hates it is pretty impressive. Yeah. I would also say I can agree with every single one of the statements you just read off and come to a completely different conclusion. Right.
I mean, the only one I can take issue with is like no memorable lines. I mean, come on. Right. You know, but other than that, he's kind of he's kind of accurate.
I think it's a success with that. The inclusion best movie ever made. This is garbage. The fact that they pulled it together made a great movie is amazing.
Like that's amazing. Everyone should see it. So I'm trying to think I've seen this movie 37 times. I don't know.
Whatever. Yeah. So today was the first time I realized a humongous, I don't recall a plot hole, but a problem. There's a big problem with the structure of this movie.
Okay. Oh, no. Do tell. Go on.
It was something I hadn't noticed before at the point. Okay. After the dad dies after Big Tom kicks it. Yeah.
At the board meeting or the all hands meeting of the Calhand auto executives or bank people or whatever the fuck that meeting is. Tommy puts up his inheritance to secure the loan for the new breakpad division. That's going to save the company. But the policy, whatever the currency has, like, okay, we can actually do that.
And then the line comes, which is baffling. For context, this company supports the entire town apparently. It employs hundreds of people. I don't know how big it is.
Later on, it's going to be 300. There you go. Multiple buildings. It's like in San Dusky, Ohio, it's like the biggest thing everybody knows this company.
It's significant. They have lots of employees at the point. So somebody says after Tommy is going to put up his house, somebody says, but who's going to sell them the breakpads? You don't have a whole sales team.
You don't have three dozen people or 11 people or one other person to sell. Tom, Tom Senior did it. The only guy selling was one guy. Yes.
Yes. He's looking in the eyes and hitting the road. Making the thing. You saw a leader giving a tour of that facility as Tommy returns.
He had the vision for the new breakpad division. That was going to set the company on a new trajectory. After eight, was he sowers and still sells on the bitch? I forgot about that scene.
He's like with the hooks and I'm like, oh. So it's funny that the film, I just assumed that there was more improvisation going on. I guess they had given, finally, a little bit more free rain just to do whatever he wanted with those hooks. He seized up.
I guess that forced them to inject more of a conversational outline or at least, hey, we want to get from A to B in this conversation, but you guys can say whatever you want in the middle, which was what they were a little bit more comfortable with. He apparently couldn't handle the, just make it up completely on your own. Spade had to write something up and then finally took that and ran with it. It also seems like the responsible thing to do on the part of the writers or the director is you're going from this general idea to this general idea.
I think that's a great thing to figure out how you get there in between, but you've got some sort of direction. It was in second movie. There were no adults on this. I'm just saying that should have been there no matter what.
Look, this is the movie though, the type of movie that proves someone in the well-respected chain of Saturday Night Live had a gambling problem or something going on in the mid 90s, because when you look into the discussion at the time, I mean, Lord Michaels was greenlighting this, Billy Madison. He talked about wanting to do the Gap Girls movie. If there's any sketch that's mildly popular, let's see if we can get rid of the movie. I mean, we'll furlough at Night at the Roxbury made shortly after this.
The person you're looking for isn't someone. You just named the someone. It's Lord Michaels. He and I have a relationship, so I didn't want to let it go.
Before we get into trivia and stuff, let's look at the box office performance, shall we? I purposely avoided this and I cannot wait to hear what happened here. We've done 1995 before, but let's just do it again. The top 10.
1995, Batman Forever. A bad Batman. 184 million Apollo 13, 172. Toy Story, 146.
Pocahontas, animated against, 139. Ace Ventura. Yes. Comes in at number five with 103 million.
It's not like... Number six. Number six, Casper. Oh, you're fucking kidding me?
No. Number seven, Die Hard with a Vengeance. A third one, the Samuel L Jackson one. I think that's the second of the three.
Like the brain second of the three. No, maybe. But it's just... But it's 92 million.
Number eight, Crimson Tide, 91 million. Number nine, Golden Eye, 91 million. Number ten, Waterworld, 88 million. Really?
I didn't even know about that. Yeah. Toy Boy, all the way down to number 52. Whoa.
32.6 million. Wow. It had a budget of... I was thinking of...
Yeah, it was 20. So it made 12 million on top of that. 20 million dollar budget. Yeah.
So it was a lot of people who were moving crews around and that's why it cost so much. There's definitely not any... No. Yes.
That all went to Warren Michaels. So number ten was 92 and then 52 was 32. Yeah. That's a...
Number ten was 88. That's how it was. It's not that deep. Yeah.
I'm impressed. I'm not. 52 made 32. So, number 52 was Tommy Boy.
Yes. Rob Nash. Can you tell us what number 53 was? Oh man.
Black Sheep. Nope. Try again. Oh, it better not be heat.
It was heat. Ah! Now... Oh, I got...
Truth be told, heat came out in December of that year. So it made three-year-olds. It was our house. Seven in a month.
Tommy Boy. John's New York in LA. Yeah. So overall, he made a bunch of money.
But in that year, it finished my entire time. Don't start sticking your dirty paws on one of the greatest movies I've ever made. Mailed it. All right.
Let's do... Where is it? Ron Tamato score. What do we think the critics gave...
Tommy Boy. Well, I'm going to stipulate though, has got to be the greatest gap between critics and viewers ever, right? If Roger Ebert is a... Is he the best player for the...
Is he the best player for the... Is he the best player for the... Who's first? critics first.
I guess 22. I'm going to go 50. Oh. Yeah.
22 sounded good to me. So I'm going to go... For some reason, 27 is the next stop I have. The critics have a rotten tomato score of 41%.
So I also include... Wow. So now the audience... What's a bad movie yet then?
Audience score. Audience score for Tommy Boy. I'm going to say 86. Did the audience go see it?
Did they like it? I'm going to say 86. Or was it a VHS cult classic? I think people who saw it liked it generally, but it's not...
They didn't go bananas. 80C. I have a 77. I'm coming in right at that dot 82.
Who's it going to start making Robville first? Well, Rob, what did you say when this began that there should be the biggest goal for the critics and audience? Audience score was 90. Oh my goodness.
Really? So critics, actually won. Audience 90. Wow.
That's... Clearly you're all certainly not. All right. Trivia, fun facts.
You've already touched on some of this stuff, but hit your trivia head on. So Ed, you brought up earlier, Sonova, and you said you said it a dozen times. He actually said it 10 times in the movie. It stood out to me.
It's like, that's a lot. I remember the little kid. I remember the little kid see off the swing and he ran into the glass and he kept running into more glass throughout the movie. I just forgot that.
Like he just, the same shit he did as a little kid, like he kept doing. But that's awesome. Stuff like that is what puts the same movie. Yeah.
I've got a kind of like more behind the scenes thing thing. And again, it's actually fun. First of all, this is a completely insane stat if it's true. But Chris Farlow loved coffee so much that he would drink 27 cups of cappuccino a day.
Oh, my God. My heart. And sometimes three at a time before the next scene. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, everyone's like, oh man, Chris lives a little too hard. You were making this guy do, sharing it live.
Right? Right? And performing them. And then get on a plane and get to Toronto to make your funny little movie.
scenes while he was there and then head back to New York at the end of the week to get off. That requires uppers and downers. All the other SNL movies were done in the opposite case. Yeah, this was done in season.
So the other thing I had and you guys were talking about Lauren Michaels kind of in the background being the puppet master but apparently this movie at one point was going to be called Billy the third of Midwestern was the working title. But they changed, they didn't want to use the word the name Billy. Let's just, I know, the Midwestern. I made Western.
Come on. So funny. Midwestern is so funny. Does anybody want to go to Gible's?
He wanted the name changed because it was coming out too close to Billy Madison and he didn't want audiences to get confused between the two movies. I was trying to piece the other one. When it was before, but clearly not, I guess Billy Madison was in the works. Billy Madison must have been after.
It was either after or just before. I think Billy Madison, I mean, go ahead. I thought it was just some release right after this. I think we don't love things.
I think it was going to be going more before after that. Billy Madison was first and then happy. Correct. I think that's correct.
I saw something. I usually don't look at, I try to skip past it, but since we're talking about it, I guess Sandler was one of the considerations for Richard and he was already committed to a different movie. Farley wanted one of his two SNL buddies. Right.
Spade or Sandler? Right. And Sandler could do it because he was filming the M.S. Right.
So two things. One, actually they were released right next to one another. Billy Madison in February and Tommy Boy in March. Lord Michael was just doing that.
Yeah, really. Seriously, there was some payment was due. Yeah. But the other thing that I thought about the casting as they were trying to pull this together, I saw that Christian Slater was considered for Richard and I actually thought that would be good.
I mean, Spade, again, you can't think too deeply about the movie, but Spade's great at what he does in this movie, right? And Christian Slater could be annoying, but I don't know if he would be sarcastic enough. You know what I mean? Well, let's just jump into casting while we're doing this.
So yes, later was considered for Richard. We talked about Sandler as a possibility. Rob Lowe famously was going to be his character was going to be Tommy Boy's brother. They had to do a whole rewrite.
And then Rob Lowe had to step away for scheduling reasons and he wasn't going to do the movie. So we're starting to find people to take the Rob Lowe spot. Paul and Matthew McConaughey was one of the actors. Oh, wow.
Hey, but Brendan, did you kind of know as you look at that, Rob Lowe is weirdly, weirdly responsible for a lot of this movie. Like, a lot of things were worked around his, like, schedule and situation. And it seems like that was also true on Wayne's world as well. There's a weird Rob Lowe Michaels connection.
Well, I think I even saw where there were like tennis buddies or something like that. I was going to say Rob Lowe was playing tennis with more Michaels. Like he is like, buddy is with more Michaels. So I think he's involved in all these movies and somehow.
Which is funny. Like he's respected as a communicator greater than I appreciate, you know? I would agree. I just thought that he was like the straight man kind of guy, but he really, you think about it, he plays a lot more, a lot of comedic characters.
Yeah. I funny you ask me like what I said, the overall likes of dislikes. I put Rob Lowe and I only dislike. Like I just said Rob Lowe, the rest of it was great.
Like, you guys were low and you're this is awesome. Like anyone put like Will Ferrell or whatever, anyone else like, you know, whatever. There he is. But he's like Rob Lowe in a parking rack.
I did think he was good in it, like from a comedic standpoint. But I was, you know, he was doing West Wayne right before this. Right. Well, he also did, he did Wayne's World, though too, where he was like kind of a poor guy, right?
He was also like Wayne's, but I was like, another one, you could write him out of that. I didn't understand. I didn't feel like he fit in this goofy. All right.
Well, you're not invited to the pretty boy aspect of Rob. We're not going to buy you. He was coming off of a hard 80s like, building his career, but he was all West Wayne and serious guy. And then he tries to do these other silly things.
Like, look at me, I can do everything. You're like, I'm thinking. Yeah, it's got some issues. I know.
It's a general. Like I know. Eric played, uh, Beverly. Yes.
Her husband, John Derek, was very protective of her angelis. He was the one that made her cut her hair right before she showed up on set. He gave her that haircut because he didn't want anybody like, uh, looking at her or something. What?
Yeah. That's like, you know, you see it online and it's like in the funny, uh, trivia, and I'm like, oh, I think he authorities need to be alerted. I was going to say that's so funny. Granted, the first time you see her with the haircut, I was like, what was that away?
Yeah, I was typing there. Yeah. Uh, okay. The scene where Tommy and Michelle are in the sailboat.
Tommy is about to tear up. Uh, the only way Farley could get himself to tear up at all was to just poke himself in the eye repeatedly. Yeah. He did it for a while and then it didn't take, but it was some issue with the camera or something.
It was made of like reset and then an hour later, I come back and do it again. He had just poked himself in the eye again. Just rub onions in there. So Farley, not the, uh, that's the only way we thought of the motion.
The woman at the pool, Lori Bagley, uh, Chris Farley later dated her. Uh, after this movie. It's spayed and hate him for that. Spayed and introduced him.
Yes. And he did hate him. Yeah. And he did hate him.
Spayed wanted to date her, but it wasn't working out and somehow he introduced them and then Farley started dating her. That entire scene is completely realistic. Please let this happen. Yeah.
In the moment. Yeah. It's not. It's not.
I really don't know if that's about this now because I think one of the greatest stories not totally told by all the standard sources is how this movie got made. But can I just quickly run through some stats with Lauren Michael's productions and just their timeline, right? I love that you are obsessed with Lauren Michael's. Well, he did three of me goes after this.
But Lauren Michael's produced three of me goes in 1986. Great. Maybe funny movie. Literally.
And then he didn't do anything until 1992. So the guy takes, you know, six years off and then he goes Wayne's world 92 cone heads 93. Wayne's world two 93. Lassie 94 Tommy boy 95.
Stuart saves his family 95 black sheep 96 kids in the hall. Brain candy 96 at the rocks. Superstar burry by the way in 99 I have much more often than I probably should be a meeting. Superstar.
I can say the report So as a reminder, 2000 and makes the ladies man. Yes. But my half bottle of Colassia conyac is only one thing that was. Ninety seconds yet that got turned into a 90 minute movie.
Amazing I just want to say God bless Lord Michaels and whatever he went through up that those seven years of hell from 93 to 2000 Whatever you were dealing with I'm sorry. I love you. You're valued. You're glad you came out on the other side Obviously, he sold his soul to the devil, right?
That's only what I answer. There's no other answer I mean when you get the reaction from the rocks very new like I thought he was doing very Catherine At least many Catherine was a legible skid that was on constantly almost every week, right? The ladies man was on three times and it was the third time you're like, I get it I would recommend doing it in the butt In the film 51st dates with Adam Sandler and Drew Barrymore yes the doctor played by Dan Eckroy Yes mentions that there's a Callahan Institute which is funded out of Sandusky, Ohio by a TB Callahan. Yep.
I do remember hearing that That's insane. I don't know But We could do I mean I think most people know that that was a spade and far away shared an office and when they've got late or punchy I probably would do that to just make spade laugh or whatever But it was only just a Afraid it was not a song until the movie and that was an improv thing to happen off camera that They're waiting around for whatever and then probably just like back down a little toe and start singing and then he's Sings the song and the director's like oh wait the camera's on we gotta redo the whole scene I've heard like David's babe talk about this movie and obviously he and Farley were friends You know close and all that stuff. There's a lot of chemistry there But apparently there was a ginormous fight that occurred during the filming of this. Yeah where David's babe goes out for drinks with Rob Lowe and Chris Farley stayed back Which feels like a bit of restraint that I was not expecting in the reading of said story But oh you know the how the lead in I heard was Farley and hard the night before oh I did not realize that part but apparently then like the next morning like he was you know super jealous and like house Rob and like all these different things and they got into like a Shoving match where David's pay got shoved down the stairs and like shoved into a wall and fell down stairs or some like insane thing They weren't talking for hours.
They would talk through like like children You need to go and tell David that you know this and then David would respond through the other person will tell Chris this Like they would not talk to each other. They would only talk to other people insane They'd be on the set next to each other and talking both facing the same way like into a mirror talking to the director to tell that other guy the thing yeah Which is a very funny fight by the way Yeah, that's the best part of it. It's two comedians fighting in a ridiculous way. No, I think I haven't lied Okay, any last tidbits otherwise we move on to everyone's favorite section Are we overall likes and dislikes or we are we casting because my I think the one thing we didn't talk about was the Dear scene Like a top five moment of just that's the best Okay We'll do that when we do best scenes and global lines Holy crap that was the best part of what I like about what I dislike about the movie is A couple of things before we just leave generally Brendan I mean it's like I'm gonna touch on the sort of half hazard writing of it like it seemed to be pulled together the last second But I mean this is the beginning even that stretch of movies I just ran through with Lord Michaels, but I mean I said they've done it before but like this is a Movie that is clearly driven by like let's get this guy and this character into as many situations as we possibly can like a character Or a concept driving the creation of an entire movie You know from him crushing the coffee table in the in the graduation scene all through the end They're just like whatever we need to do to get this guy doing this thing more often I just find it funny that a movie could still come together around that like we don't know what to do with this guy But he's everyone laughs every time they see him, so let's make a movie about it.
Yeah, basically what this is Literally a star vehicle. Let's we're gonna make this guy star. Yeah, it's yeah We haven't seen a lot of those no past 20 years probably I was gonna say it doesn't happen as often as it used to yeah, and then we're like that Saturday live streak right? You know where it blue she kind of started and went from there, but it was basically just like we'll do this There's not as many friends as you know see that as much they recycle the couple goodies where like like What's his name?
What's part of his character band down by the river? He jumps on the coffee table did that in the attorney house in the beginning the movie Every second I know like just because I guess it's like what he's known for and yeah, I mean I think there aren't as many physical comedians as there were before like there's a there's a physicality to Chris Farley that comes through in this movie In half the comedic scenes. It's because he is doing something that yeah his hair goes crazy He's falling down. He's running into something.
He's you know scribbles rattling around like just like like all It's physical stuff and you don't see that as much now the two other things I would say about Chris Friday that I noted when I was watching it is I don't know if he would become a good actor You know, he obviously went a little early, but he could do a couple things that were so genuine Like his deference to Richard early in the movie where he knows that he's smarter is very genuine Like he he is an all of the guy his politeness to adults is so genuine Like I'm clearly is like but then the other thing that I think is so funny which makes him nailed it He's not acting in those times. That's just I think he's like yes, mister Like you can you seem to be an authority and I will say hello mister, you know And this is maybe a bit of a glasses half full from my perspective But I think if you were to have seen his drug problem through and lived I think he would have been sort of Robin Williams asked in terms of like been able to find a serious side And I actually like to think that he would have done sort of a dead posting after doing like being the crazy Yeah, you know the beginning. Oh, you know, he can always down off it Person so I think you can find and sand there in a similar way with like gems movie and other funny people and other movies like clicked and stuff You know, there's he was even he was a person like before he died famously He was working on to some to whatever degree he was going to play fatty article in a biography so that would have been his Partially real drama piece. I mean, it's obviously a comedy comedic comedic actor a person is betraying But he might have that might have been the term who knows I mean, I think to a certain extent a lot of I mean, I think that would have he's right at that age where comedic actors Started out one way and then switched to finding dramatic roles think about Jim Kerry think about like you were saying Adam Sandler like all of those got like there are a lot of people that wanted to be able to make the switch and Somehow feel like they were legitimizing their career even though comedic acting isn't can't be done by everybody like that is a skill and a talent that often goes uncredited by critics clearly Roger Gbert you know like Raj it The cat like Oscar is like nobody recognizes comedy as a legitimate genre of cinema.
Yeah, I I also thought he had a little bit more of the harder edge that I Know he felt like okay, they Yeah, hard hard edges on the term. He was smart. He could be smarter than he was being portrayed Yeah, but like he did a little throwaway line when Richard was trying to give a pep talk about being a good salesman And he goes hey everybody it's Tony Robbins I just think that you know he also knew like Morning on joke like he knew what's going on And I'm not doing taking away from the quotes actually but I love his inability to have a comeback There's like no comeback I Give you my bit of trivia and that's I was one of the Two three five people to see Chris Farley last live My parents lived in the John Hancock building her be in talk Her Of course I Was funny that Farley lived in the herbie Hancock building. Yeah, so but Farley lived I don't know ten floors above them or whatever it was And I went there to visit them.
I think on a Sunday or a Saturday And I was you know they buzz me in or I went to the door man and whatever I was me under how that works and I walked through the door and I physically run into this guy with a hat pull down and it's Chris Farley He's got you know those flat Irish caps on and that sort of bumps into me I go sorry then he's he's a shoveling you know heading out and I'm like, oh he crapped out. That was awesome great cut to three days later He's found dead in his in his room upstairs and When you can hear the story is it connected us he was almost certainly when I bumped into him He was leading the building to go to church for the last time going to church down the road and then he had like a big Day and a half or something didn't he? Yeah, good like a bender a bender and then he was dead so There's five people that saw him and you know that last few days now from them so Two people that might have been at Saturday Mass. Yeah, yeah So okay, it's a recasting debate.
We call it recastorate Better close the door. It's time to be consturbate No, it's center center No Thank you Those scoring at home we have seven main people I'm gonna call them and then we may have some bonus people I don't whatever we've got Tommy. We've got Richard. We've got Michelle Paul Beverly Zalinski just because I wanted to do that right and big Tom yep This character is so identifiable with Chris Farley right obviously the idea of trying to recast Tommy boys like well I don't understand what the point is like so I really had a huge problem like I can build a movie where it would be Interesting to see these new people react to Chris Farley, but I can't the movie doesn't work in my mind if it isn't Chris Farley I mean did it with a sprintura.
I mean this is I know it is the same thing, but I will say there's a Warm or maybe a soft spot for him and how he you know is still around or is not still around it It's just like how do you figure someone else? Leer recasting Tommy is impossible right? I mean the because the movie was written for him like this is all about Chris Farley his persona his physicality like his line delivery all of that is for him so It will become immediately clear when I go through my recasting that I didn't try to find a new Farley I agree. I did the same thing.
I was kind of re-trained with Tommy character that's a different way I went in wild directions. Yeah, I thought of one thing different I thought one that could kind of do it and then I'm like this is I'm breaking some type of loss I'll stop thinking about it. Yeah, I'm a hundred percent certain somebody's gonna just be like no with one of mine Oh, I would think you to mine I don't know and the person that I think I'm gonna get the no on I would put money on the fact that somebody else has them on their list Oh, wow. Yeah, all right.
Hey, what's up? How do you get? I don't know it. Go for it dude.
Hey, is it the domestic issue? Let's hit this. I want to hurry up. Let's do Julie.
Who cares about Julie? What? Wait a second. We start.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and we need all reactions For said casting if by Julie you mean Michelle then yeah, I'm sorry. Shelled and Julie Warner was the actress. Sorry Okay Let's start with Rob Nash and let's do your Tommy You're gonna have to pick your maybe three out of twelve that you might have on your All of us need women ourselves to three and then after we give all of ours then we can throw out wild cards Like we thought about this we thought about that. I will make this even more efficient as I said I could not entertain the idea so I thought a person that could do it But he'd have to dumb it down because he's been seen as being smart too often I thought Jonah Hill could be Tommy, but that was it he's in his 50s.
So that's that's potentially an issue right? He's not in his 50s, but he's not as old as I am and I'm not I I mean again we're kind of pivoting off the last section on on on fire I like I can't think of a type of personality that there's been in 30 years That was that's like him like Kevin James is kind of physical I guess but like not in the manic way that he is I mean that intro when fire Lee comes on Letterman that one time I mean like you never see something like that You know no it's in years. No, so I don't know who I could even compare him to everyone else I could give a comparison Yeah plans to push ups. So yeah exactly exactly exactly Yeah Okay, fine.
Yeah, great I'm gonna go with mine. I only I've got two and the third one is so bad. I mean John and John and Number I ran into the same issue with age. Yeah, so I'm gonna go with a de-aging technology although he looks young but still uh kenan Thompson Dammit Kenan Thompson by number two and my number one It changes the movie significantly.
I don't know what we specifically can do here. We got to make a move But don't run with ad Brian That's you know what that is about as close as you can get right now. I think she can pull off the sweetness. She can play dumb and goofy She can do the Midwestern thing too.
Yeah, I mean McCarthy McCarthy do it too, but she's yeah McCarthy 20 years ago Uh, yeah, I mean the age thing is always difficult for me because everyone I know is 40 In all these movies. What about rebel. What's her name Wilson? Well, if you saw her the trailer of her new movie She's lost like 60 pounds.
So she can't play that she's the job far we got That's yeah, so 80 Brian is my farly. Um, I also what he got for Farley So I'm gonna call this a not choice or not a real selection. But so and we we're going with three max. Yeah.
Yeah, so Maybe it's de-aging but the way that I was thinking about this is almost taking a character that was in another movie and putting him in this movie Okay, and that is the allen character from the hangover with Zach Alphapis Playing like an adult who has been living off of his dad forever. So it's not he's not a recent graduate, but he's been Rich kid adult and so why do you know? I know All right more realistic. Um, this one my second choice is he's a little bit more obscure, but he's a goofball But he's the physicality is different.
He's thin. Um, Skyler just on doe. He's well I had a fun scene the movie book smart. He plays Jared Jared No, I'm happy about that for lunch.
All right. Um, yeah, the only other person I picked again changing the character a bit to be kind of a burnout is Pete Davidson. Yeah, I hate Pete Davidson. So I can't I can't endorse that but I get it.
Okay. Well, that is all That is the problem we were discussing before is that This movie was written for Farley. So you can't replace Farley. So whatever we're gonna do with it's not gonna work But we're trying our best.
Yeah, but I had a hard time and I took the approach and I mean Maybe I'm breaking the rules with maybe I'm a transition for the next person I looked at the pairing of the two And you put separate Richard from Tommy Because they need to play out each other and you took Keenan Thompson So I'll take Chris Reed as the Richard the counterbalance because I love their current show Chris And I wanted to also sort of say true to SNL And I love the concept of sort of flipping it and going white, you know to black which would be great And in that vein, I thought key appeal would be awesome That might actually be able to do that. That was a good one. I think I think it would be humongous. It would be like that weight kind of thing, but it would be just awesome.
So I also thought it's the bumbling. Peel is the bumbling and get you know, it's like the willpower. It's awesome. Yeah, that would be fun And then if you were to kind of go in with a little bit of SNL too if it weren't sort of flipping conceptually But also need a time machine will Farley and John C.
Riley could also be a fun combo but again, they're old so and they're done that so maybe that's cool But yeah, so since you understood the pairing is could potentially be important here. I mean you may have these people in pairs so And I not purposely but maybe substantially I stuck with the SNL. I had a lot of SNL. Yeah, Farley and Spade and all that So I'll go I'll go top down.
I'll go one to three. Uh, since my Tommy boy was 80 Brian. My Richard was Melissa Vias in York I love her. Yeah, that's not bad She's funny.
I mean, I think she could pull it off and she can play straight very well. Yeah, you know Um, my backup is Kyle Muni. Oh, yeah, Richard and then the one I like the best I don't think he fits with any of my potential. He might fit with Kenan Thompson would be Colin Jost.
Oh, he was on my list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, I I had not thought about that to go back to the no nonsense plot. He's snarky. Right. He can be condescending and snarky Insulted.
Yeah, I kind of have a bizarro Colin that makes sense. Which makes Colin sound even better. Well, good work It was your Uh, a couple people could do it. Um, and I I like all of them for different reasons Dave Franco I think it kind of do it.
He's my That's a great thing. I like a good day. Franco. Yeah.
I thought the day Franco and Jonah Hill would work but they were not Um, along the lines of Colin, I think Max Greenfield. Oh, oh, oh, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. I knew from New Girl and And then two of the quick ones I got John Mulaney could actually He's on my list.