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Welcome to the Predator episode of the Pubcast. Allison and Eric joined me to break down this 1980s classic action movie, maybe the most iconic movie from Arnold Schwarzenegger outside of the Terminator franchise. This movie lacks subtlety in every possible way, from cheesy one-liners to over-the-top guns and weapons to crazy catchphrases. I mean, even the handshake between Schwarzenegger and Carl Weathers is in your face extreme.
So, grab your portable Gatling gun and join us as we break down, Predator. We don't risk your team. Not assassins. Now, what do you got to do?
In a part of the world where there are no rules. We pick up the trailer, the chopper, run them down, grab those hostages. If anybody knows we were there, what do you mean we? Deep in the jungle, where nothing that lives is safe, you lose it here.
You're in a world of hurt. Showtime, shit. I'm not. Any weak, risky swab.
You're bleeding, man. I ain't got time to believe you. Is being led by the ultimate warrior. We need the best.
That's why you're here. But now, let's not really so spooked. There's something else they're waiting for. They're up against the ultimate enemy.
Holy mother, God. Nothing like it has ever been unearthed before. She says that jungle just came alive and took it. We cannot see it.
No blood, no bodies. We have nothing. But it sees the heat of our bodies and the heat of our fear. Whatever it is out there, it killed Hopper.
And now it wants us. It kills for pleasure. He wants to be alive. It hunts for sport.
He's killing us one at a time. We're all gonna die. But this time, it's picked the wrong man to hunt. If you please, we can kill it.
We can kill it. Defox presents Arnold Schwarzenegger. Predator, the hunt begins Friday June 12th at theaters everywhere. Predator, 1987.
No nonsense plot. This whole movie is a no-nonsense plot. The only way to describe it is just the basics. It's nonsense.
Yeah, it's nonsense. Strong over a no-nonsense skeleton. Not much to it. A team of commandos on a mission in a central American jungle by themselves hunted by an extraterrestrial warrior.
Okay. I don't know if it's a warrior or a story or a story. Yeah. Thanks, buddy.
Yeah. They said find themselves hunted by. I'm sure they didn't want to use hunter again. I was trying to think, I know I saw this in the theater, but I don't remember the details.
This would have been the summer before freshman year in high school. And I would have moved. I think this came out. I forget.
June. So June, I probably was in Southern California. So I saw it with my eighth grade friends. And then shortly after moved and whatever.
All my other friends that I met in high school would have seen it. So it was great. It was classic 80s sorts of nigger at the peak of his cheesy powers. Rewatching this.
Eric, I haven't rewatched this like top to bottom. I don't know how long. Way slower than I thought. And they do the thing like in Jaws where they don't show the monster until like an hour into the movie.
There's almost no predator anything until like over the hour mark. I think I saw like researching that the predator is in this for under eight minutes or around eight minutes of the whole movie. And then it's the invisible version like it's super short. Yeah, even and it's interesting you mentioned Jaws because they sort of went through a lot of the same issues in like I'm sure you get to later.
It's what it comes like casting and stuff. The one that going in when they were actually shooting it, it was a completely different predator to completely different concepts. They worked around it quite a bit. Yeah, I'm going to preface this for ourselves and for any listeners.
It's not going to be an easy cut and dried sectioning of this podcast into trivia and then into casting and into this and to that. It's going to bleed all in together and it's just the predator all over the place. Right. Because there's some big things we have to talk about that cross lines of the usual segments we have.
Right. So the director John McTearnan. One of our favorites on the podcast. And I always whenever I think of him Eric I combine them with Tony Scott because I think their movies have a similar look and feel a similar style.
But yeah, McTearnan it was predator die hard. Don't forget October the last action hero with a guy Shane Black who was in this movie right. Die Hard with a vengeance. So a bunch of those type of movies.
Thomas Carter. Yeah, Thomas Crown. Yeah, Thomas Crown. A bunch of those types of movies.
But predator was his first big one at least. Yeah, I think it's I look back. I think it's only a second movie and the first one was. There's a bunch of things like that.
But then predator started a pretty hot street for him. Yeah, huge. Now we come to Shane Black. Eric, our guy.
So here's where we start crossing lines on our segments. He started at start. He played Hawkins in this movie. The throwaway fourth or fifth character of this team just sort of hanging out.
Right. He is who looked like he gone. That's all I could think of or whatever character he played in. Stripes.
Exactly. So Shane Black is a screenwriter who was responsible for lethal weapon one, two, three and four. The last Boy Scout classic. Classically terrible movie.
Very shame black. The last action hero Iron Man three. The nice guys which we love. The predator the 2018 version of predator and then he's working on the 11 five.
He's got other movies too. Those are the big ones. So let's just jump the gun on some of the trivia stuff. Eric, they I'm referencing Eric because we talked about Shane Black every now and then.
They brought him on to start this movie essentially as like a sneaky screw. Punch up guy or script rewriter on the fly to be there on set and also I've seen different versions of this. And also he was working on the lethal weapons script while he was working on the predator. Okay.
That's insane Eric. Yeah. The thing is Joel Silver. Yeah.
One of the producers of the predator produced lethal weapons. So to keep him close by the story goes to keep him close by that they can keep working on lethal weapon. They gave him a part in predators so they could be working on that movie. They would work on lethal weapon while on the set of predator.
Yeah. And it feels like an unnecessary step unless it they felt that he was the best guy to actually add to the movie. Like half of the story. The other half.
I don't know what is, you know, actual reality but the other half is they wanted him to do a rewrite on the script and didn't or he said no, put me in the movie and then when I'm there I can sort of. I can touch it up here if we need to. I heard all of his jokes that he told the movie went like we're his jokes. Exactly like him.
Yeah, it's kind of nuts. So all right. This we talked about this is like the peak or near peak of the 80s. I guess we're going to call this an action movie.
Not a lot of action. Is it action is it horror? Is it suspense? Is it?
I mean it's action suspense. I would say. Yeah. It's closer to something like alien.
It's closer to that and is to like true romance, which is more of an action movie with Schwarzenegger. Action and horror thriller. The movie has a couple. I didn't write all of them down.
We can go through a few people probably come up with these off top or head. Some of the key tropes or key parts of a Schwarzenegger 80s. I wrote down just two, but that we can throw out a dozen probably. This one is heavy on both of these zero subtlety whatsoever.
Everything's in your face over the top. I didn't realize how many there are in this movie. Lots of cheesy one layers. Oh, he's known for that in other movies.
I didn't realize there was so many in this one. Yes, there were a lot of setup montages that I noticed. So it's like slinging the trap or putting out the bombs and doing all that stuff that. Lots of like walls of grass being put on top of stuff.
It happened like three different times and I definitely noticed it like little like birds nest of grass on top of things. Because you make that when Matt did that on one of the flares or whatever he's staring down the barrel of the flare putting the grass on it. It could have done a trip wire that's a great interface. That's foreshadowing for later.
Completely insane. Any other? I mean, we got the over the top weapons. Oh, the minigun in the jungle area.
That is the most ridiculous, unrealistic, impossible thing that's been in any movie ever. I mean, I can't. There's so many ways. How that is so insanely wrong.
It's so unwieldy and so heavy. And I don't care if you have that sort of helper backpack thing that, you know, it's impossible. And all the rounds you have to have for that thing. That's ludicrous.
That pack of yeah, that on his back that would be gone in 10 seconds. Yeah. I would add and it's also high on my list of the memorable scenes, but the shoot up the jungle after Max sees the predator for the first time. It lasts for 17 minutes.
It goes on forever. And I mean, I started laughing at one point. I'm like, it's gonna ever end. And there's a story behind that.
They mow down the jungle as if they had giant weed wackers. Well, all I kept thinking is like, you don't even know what you're shooting at and you're using up all your ammo. So back to your point about that gun, like those bullets would have been gone in 13 seconds. It shoots something like 3000 rounds a minute or whatever it is.
Yeah, you have to have like a pile that's 18 feet high of ammunition behind you. And we're supposed to be like highly trained, right military experience best of the best mercenaries and it's like spraying shit all over the place. There's a story behind that sequence. Okay.
So I might be getting into the trivia a little bit. I didn't read this in like the IMDB trivia or anything, but I saw this watching like years ago watching like the DVD behind the scenes. Yeah, they're talking about it. So the studio looking at the dailies while they were shooting was going on was getting a little concerned and they like, where's the action?
Like you need to turn this up a little bit. And John McTearnan being annoyed by it shot that sequence as a joke. That's right. Oh my God.
You like, all right. You know, you want it. I'm going to give it to you. And you went way over the top and they saw it and they loved it.
Oh my God. Oh my God. I love that action is just firing into a bunch of plants. Yes, into trees trees are exploding.
But that is all back to, you know, the action movie trope of like the extended blowing up, shoot them up, whatever, which you could also add that to them in base. It was just a bunch of nonsense. Yeah. Yeah.
The one of the things I forgot about and I had to hold in laughter during was the end credits. Oh, I wrote that. I wrote that on as one of the memorable scenes. Oh, we go.
I'm like, I don't remember that. I'm trying to think it's a TV show. Like everybody's like turning into the camera. Yeah, family ties or something.
Yeah, whatever. Oh my God. It was weird that they shot like they shot one for everybody but Arnold. I know.
I know it was a shot for the movie, but everybody else. Like they set them up to do some sort of it was basically with his little toast with his flask or whatever. It was essentially the opening of Love Boat with Isaac giving the two guns. It was ridiculous.
Love Boat Jungle. It was ridiculous. All right. Let's do a couple of the usual things before we dive into the actual predator and all the issues with the predator.
Okay. Let's do run tomatoes. Okay. What do we think the audience is predator in 1987 board now but this classic quote from 87.
I'm going to say 91. Eric. What's the difference audience gave it 87. All right.
Which is about right. I mean, I'm surprised it's that well to be honest. I am too. We're going to lay around the critics and then I've got like a different take on that.
But I would have thought right up. It would have in 87 been like right in the sweet spot. Well, and certainly at the time everyone loved it. Right.
I mean, it was the formula of blockbuster or blockbuster type of the summer. Right. The problem is me like the me part of it. So I never I had zero.
I had zero desire to watch this movie until yesterday. I finally like broke down and watched predator for the first time because it's I like action movies. I can handle some suspense but I don't know what I was thinking this to be. And I just had zero interest.
So it could have been young women at that time would be like, yeah, that's not sure. So it could have brought that down a bit. Yeah. All right.
The critics for Ron tomatoes. 84. Eric. 80.
80. It is. Oh, that's pretty good for kids for moving like this. Yeah.
I think I would have enjoyed the like the special effects at the time. Yeah. It was relatively you can't say it was the whole thing was unique because it is essentially and they build it when they were pitching the movie that pitched it as the phrase was correct. They said it's alien in the jumble, which is basically what it is.
It's a team of mercenaries. They're in the first alien. But it's this monster that's out there. They don't know what it is.
It's kind of hiding. It's they're hunting it, but it's hunting them and basically the same thing. Yeah, it's crazy. So the movie you saw last night.
Yes, as the first time. Right. It there's no way it could hold up to what you ever heard about it over the past 30 years. In terms of it being great.
Yeah. I can see that it would have been great at the time. I mean, I can appreciate what that movie was for when it came out. Schwarzenegger being Schwarzenegger Carl Wethers being so Carl Wethers like all of it was good.
The special effects were surprisingly fine. And creative and you know for what they were trying to do. So I get it. I was and I said this before I was shocked at how the last 20 minutes is where all the predator stuff happens.
When we source and they're fighting him or doing the home alone thing with all the stuff. But like it built up enough suspense. So it's like Jaws. So like I was tensed during it.
In my mind that 20 minutes was 45. No. You know what I mean? Like I remember it was way different.
But the tension was there for the length of time that you're thinking of. So I think it works. Once they hit the camp, like from the camp on was. Yeah, from the camp to when the predator attacks really that's another.
Yeah, but there's enough suspension that it works. So that's I mean, this has a slightly more complex than diagram of genres that you would expect. And so that's where this movie really kind of transitions into suspense and then it goes back to action. Yeah.
So comedy at the beginning. Comedy throughout suspense in the middle. A little bit of action sprinkled in and then action at the end. I think we've done we definitely done 1987 before for box office.
Okay. Number one Beverly and this is a domestic. We always do domestic mostly. Beverly Hills cop to number one, 150,000,000.
Okay. Then platoon, fatal traction, the untouchables at 76 million, three men and a baby. Oh my God, which we all remember good year up until that point. And then that was a huge hit, but it was so dumb everywhere.
Of course terrible movie. And then number six, the movie that I saw twice in the theater, the secret of my success. Uh, stakeout lethal weapon finished eight Shane Black, thrown down number eight, which is a V Swift number nine predator number 10 Wow 59 million. It had a budget of 18 million.
Wow. So, all right. The predator. Yes.
We actually talked about the actual predator in the movie and everything leading up to it. Originally they were trying to develop this new unique, you know, alien monster and their designs weren't great. It was going to be some sort of like a big standing beetle, essentially, some sort of like an insect like thing, depending on two feet with two hands on the fifth element. What?
That's right. No, not that kind of. But yes, I mean, that's ridiculous. But it had this sort of insect like had, you know, insect.
So it kind of had some animals. But when they were shooting a lot of what they shot up front were like the invisible camouflage scenes. So they did all that stuff up front. And to do that, you would normally have green screen or blue screen.
You can't have a green screen in the jungle. So they made this foam latex suit kind of resembling the shape of what this thing would be. It made it like a bright red or bright pink, you know, orange in that color area. And it looked ridiculous.
And they hired this guy to be in the suit and he was he thought he was going to be the monster. Yeah. And he was essentially just a stunt guy, just a guy in a suit. And he didn't like the monster and didn't like what he was doing.
He wanted to be more involved. And they ended up firing him or he left because of the nonsense. He had to go out in the heat and everything else. So guy in the suit, John called down the whole time.
No, no, in the beginning. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So he's the one that quit.
I would have liked the predator like to jump up and like go in the splits. So they had five, five, put nine John Claude band dammit running around in this red foam bug suit. He hated it. He didn't know what's going on.
It was like his first movie. He thought he was going to be this big star monster. And so it's terrible. There's footage of it.
Oh, really? You can't see it. You can't see John Claude in this. You can see the town.
You can see him going around the jungle doing whatever and this fake suit that they were going to see out anyway or you'll compose it out anyway. Looks ridiculous, but he didn't understand that. This is not the real. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. You're just none of this going to be seen. It's going to be a blurry, you know, cow flies nonsense.
This is not the real thing, but you can get it. Right. But that was John Claude. Oh my God.
And then super kiki. Yeah. That was part of the idea too. I think is they wanted him to be sort of very agile kind of monster.
So originally they wanted this to be more insect legs. He was up on his legs and he had legs that had the knees on the wrong side, like bent the wrong way like an insect would if it was standing up. And so they constructed these legs, but you can't do that when you're in the forest going down these, you know, pills and tripping up all that sort of stuff. So they had to scrap that and then, you know, just any number of things didn't work.
Yeah. So then they had, I forget why Eric, they had this big break in the schedule. Something happened. They shot up like most of the movie and had this big break.
Was it weather related? I forget. And during the break while on a long plane ride. Who was it?
Materonin or was it? Materonin or somebody from the movie was a Jolt Silver. I forget. Was sitting next to Stan Winston, the big special.
Oh, you know who it was? James Cameron. James Cameron. Right.
James Cameron was sitting next to the director. On the plane. On the plane. And they had.
It was James Cameron and Stan Winston. Right. They hired like they had scraps, whatever concept they had for the predator. I think they hired that's when they hired Stan Winston.
Yeah. Yeah. And he was doing something else with James Cameron and they were sort of having a conversation. There you go.
So they brought in Stan Winston to fix the nonsense that they had. And then he was having trouble with the design. Like, how I make this more original and it's, you know, how I do this thing. And James Cameron said, I like your designs there.
He was drawing them out and it's like, that looks good. I always wanted to see an animal with big sort of mandibles, like big exterior mandibles, almost like an insect or like some sort of a, to make it look otherworldly. So that's they added the face and then they all came together. Right.
So then they had the predator. They got the design right. They hired this big seven foot two, he's like a ballet dancer, like whatever, like classically trained dancer of some sort. And he could move well with a giant and could be in the predator suit and do all this stuff.
So he was all that guy was also period hearing the innocence. He was hearing the innocence. He was also the alien. Oh, really?
Yeah. So yeah, he's, I mean, if you need a big guy in a suit, he was the guy. Right. Until you know, until you died.
I think I saw something like that that suit weighed like 200 pounds or whatever that even though he was a big guy and would be really agile. He'd be really agile to be like this skill hunter that they to put him like on bungees in order to help him be able to move efficiently because it was so heavy. Yeah. And like when he was up in a tree, like he was on like this cement lift in order to like handle the weight because one of the trees was made of concrete.
Yeah. Yeah. All right, let's get into the other trivia. There's a predator.
Okay. This movie was almost titled hunter. Right. It was almost the predator as well.
We took off the and it's cleaner. That's right. Exactly. Just until we came in and said.
We talked about shame bladder ready. The predators green blood was made from glow sticks. Not surprisingly. And ky jelly.
Yeah. The race of the predator, the predator species is, I'm just going to say, Yaucha. W a U T J a. Okay.
Never said anywhere, but I guess it's like in, I don't know, extended. Back story. Yeah. I think it's like graph novels or something.
They say it somewhere. The graphic novels come before after the movie after after. Predator was a original piece. The 72 actor in the suit.
Kevin Peter Hall also appears as the helicopter pilot at the end of the movie. So we got some non that's a facetime. Yeah. Here's the story that I couldn't find enough information about this.
I really want more, but I saw this in multiple places. So I believe it's true. Okay. The actor who plays Billy, Sonny Landham, Landham, Landham.
The studios insurance company wouldn't ensure the production unless a bodyguard was hired for Sonny Landham. Not a bodyguard to guard him to guard the other cast from him. What? Apparently he was a maniac and would fight and get crazy with cast numbers all the time.
I got a reputation of like punching out people on this. Oh my God. Wow. I want to hear that story.
Oh my God. That guy is not. Oh my gosh. They had a higher bodyguard to keep him away from other people.
Okay. All right. I've only got a few trivia here because there's not a lot available. Most of it's like, oh, they did military training in the jungle.
Yeah. Okay. Who cares at this point? Everyone does that.
But Jesse Ventura who plays Blaine. I don't remember his character's name in the movie. Blaine. Right.
So he was all fired up about working with Schwarzenegger. Right. And they had a rivalry somewhat because they're both insane. And then the wardrobe team somehow Jesse Ventura found out they're taking measurements for costumes and stuff.
And so they had the actor's measurements. He, through the wardrobe team, he found out that his biceps were like an inch larger than Schwarzenegger's. So then he goes and tells Arnie, I want to make a bet who has the biggest arms winner. The winner has the loser has to buy a bottle champagne.
Right. So they measure and Schwarzenegger's way bigger or bigger and inch or whatever because Schwarzenegger knew this was going to happen because Ventura is in maniac. He planted that with the wardrobe team. Like, yeah, I saw the numbers ensuring he'd win the bet.
Oh my God. So I saw that too. And along those lines, it was a competition of who would be in the gym, the longest, the hardest. So like, he would, Ventura would show up in the gym and like douse himself with water.
So it looked like he was sweating his ass off before Schwarzenegger got there. And so that would make Arnold show up even earlier the next day. They started showing up like at three or four in the morning, trying to beat the other person into the gym. Here's the other one that I read.
Carl Weathers wanted the opposite. He wanted, he told everybody, my physique's just natural. I'm just a natural athlete. I don't have to do anything working out.
So they would never see him working out. He would wait till they were gone or when they went around. Then he would do his work out secretly. Yeah, that's good.
You guys are busting your ass. I'm just the natural sort of muscular guy. Carl Weathers. Oh my God.
That's good. It feels very apolocreed. Yeah. Oh yeah.
He's like, I'm apolicree. I'm action Jackson. Okay. Body count.
Oh, I had that too. You did. I can't ask you. Eric, what do you think the body count was on this movie?
I'm going to go somewhere going off of the camp raid. Now somewhere between 20 and 25. Take this with a grain of salt, of course. But it's supposedly 69 humans.
Right. 69 people were killed. I guess on screen or supposedly killed. Plus one scorpion, one boar and one predator.
So what's that? 73? 73? 74?
72? I don't know if I buy that number, but that's the official word. Any other trivia that I didn't include that you want to jump in with? A lot of sort of nonsense.
Not really. I had like written down three things and the last one's more of a plot point than it is a piece of trivia. Which it's that the predator will not kill anybody that's unarmed. Right.
That's his defining characteristic throughout all the movies, including the new one prey that knew Hulu. Yeah. Yeah. They're hunters.
They're game hunters. They want it. They're sport. It's all about the sport of it.
Yeah. And if you're armed, which is why at the end, he takes off all his weapons and fights sports and they can hand the hand mostly. Right. Okay.
The only casting thing I wrote down was Jean-Claude Bandam. Rest of it. Yeah. I didn't see anything.
I didn't even look up anything. I usually try not to look, but the only thing I saw was that Carl, the part was written for Carl Withers. There was nobody else. Which brings me to recastorate.
Okay. Because I also have the same thing with the character Dylan. I only have one guy. I wrote my part for him specifically.
Okay. Okay. So recasting debate. It is time to recast.
Better close the door. It's time to be construvate. Or you said that you felt like this was super easy. I felt like I struggled.
It was so easy. Like I could come up with names for each one, each of the main characters. I could come up with so many, but there were too many options. I'm like, oh, this one, boom, that one, boom, easy, easy.
And then I'm like, I can't write down five for each one. So I don't like whittle it down. But most of this stuff came up the top of my head in a few minutes. So, yeah.
So I had that for a couple of characters and then I realized I had a cast wall that would work for sure. Okay. So do we want to work top down or bottom up? Top down.
We want to go for Dutch, Dylan, Mac, Billy, Lane, Pancho Hawkins. Yes. Okay. Do you want now you have the cast swap?
Do you want to do the whole cast swap or what do you want to do? Well, it. So after a couple characters, it really doesn't matter. Like, you're, this is just about a group of people on a mission.
Yeah. So when I was casting a couple of characters, I was like, Oh, this is who this person is. And then I started looking through the cast. I'm like, Oh, okay.
So I can tell you my cast. Before you do. I guess it. Well, I had a cast swap idea and I didn't even go down this path.
But yeah, I had an idea. I'm like, Oh, that might actually work. I didn't do it. But it's a movie.
I don't think you've seen it. I think it's an easy one. I think this movie was inspired partially by predator. So that's why it kind of fits.
It's the comedy version. Drop it thunder. Oh, I think. Drop it thunder, predator, cast swap.
I think you could make it work if you wanted. Yeah, it wouldn't be that hard. Yeah. But I didn't do that.
So what is your cast swap out? My cast swap is Guardians of the Galaxy. Because you could throw in like Vin Diesel is in that is in the cast and Bradley Cooper and then you can have like a single female lead of Zoe's old on on Lee Pace is in there could be the predator. Oh my God.
I like Lee Pace is a predator. Like all of it. Like you could start checking off all the boxes and I do I did keep like a couple of specific ones for specific actors for specific parts. But to me, it's a good ensemble that means that you can have a single lead.
It's a good ensemble that works with action comedy and it's it's fitting because all the most of the names that I think we are all going to throw out are from the MCU. But a lot of them are MCU guys big tall muscular action type actors today's action movies are mostly MCU movies largely. So, okay. Now, let's start with Dutch.
This is the Swartz and Negipart. I will kick it off. Okay. I'm going to get the most obvious elephant in the room off the table.
Don't even say it. I don't think any of us want to put him in this movie. So I have him. I'll put him second just because.
But the most the clearest Swartz and Negipart analog is the bottom. Right. Yeah. I don't I don't want him in this movie.
I don't think as much as he fits he checks all the boxes. I don't think he works. To me, the more logical fit or the guy I want in here and this is the only one that I have on my list is Chris Endsworth. He's my Dutch.
Yeah, me too. Okay. That's the only name I got to go interesting. I wrote on Michael B Jordan.
Apollo son. Yes. Yeah. He should be Dylan.
No, no. It's a different. Yeah. Did you have another one or is that.
I'm going to go with my Dylan again because I wrote this part for this character. This guy. I only have one, but I'm going to give you two. My backup for Dylan is the car weathers part.
My backup is Anthony Mackie. Falcon from, you know, MCU. And that's just in case my guy gets sick or something. I don't need to even apply for this.
The only person for this part to me is Idris Elba. It has to be Elba. And everybody else for it. I know I threw all the interesting age that I don't know.
Yeah. It was Elba and Chris Endsworth as Dutch and Dylan. I've got a lot of us already. Yeah.
Eric, who's your Dylan? I had one name. Might be a little inside the box, but I still think you can pull the roll off. Michael J.
White. Oh, yeah. Where's he been? He was in.
There's a lot of dark night. Yeah. He was the one the gang leaders where he meets with Joker in the basement of that restaurant. Yeah, I know.
Yeah. About the Kung Fu movies. Yeah. That's good.
That's a good one. I like that one, actually. Do you have a Dylan? So with Michael B.
Jordan as Dutch, I switched it around and this is where I put Vin Diesel as kind of like the opposite character of him. Yeah. I almost had Vin Diesel in a number of places. Yeah.
Here's another one where I kind of like, I don't want to put him in this movie. I know. Not to the extreme as the rock, but not exactly. I'm trying to win.
Eric, give me your Mac. I've got two for Mac. My number two actually I have in a couple of different places. Dave Batista.
I got him somewhere else. Yeah. But my number one choice for Mac is Terry Cruz. I love Terry Cruz.
I have him somewhere else. I have him somewhere else. Okay. My Mac, my runner up is Brian Tyree Henry.
I don't know who that is. He's an Atlanta. He was an eternal. Yep.
Yep. And my number one for Mac is Mahershalawi. I think that's a good Mac. Yeah.
He could play that sort of the stoic pre freak out Mac. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
I've got Daniel Kaluier in there. But I like John Baron falling there. Oh, that's like, I thought I was your manager. Yeah.
Yeah. But kind of like the freak out at the, like, it works. Yeah. Eric or no, Al, give us your Billy.
I only have one name and I was quickly looking up to see what else you guys might have seen him in. I don't give me weight. I thought I would for sure remember. And then of course I don't.
His name is Zahn MacLarman. He is in Reservoir. Reservation dogs. He's been in a ton of things.
Can you one second? I don't know him. You. He's been in Dr.
Sleep, the purge Westworld. This is him. Oh, yeah. He's the, I can't pronounce his name in Westworld.
He's the Native American protagonist in whatever season of Westworld. Yeah. He's good. Yeah.
That's a good one. So the Billy character is Native American or. Yeah. He's an indigenous people from somewhere in the America.