Welcome to episode 1 of The Pubcast. My name is Brendan O'Neill and I would normally be joined by Mike Cross and Michelle Riley. From these first few episodes, we are revisiting our previous podcast, Boardwalk Breakdown. Basically, we're shutting down the Boardwalk Breakdown podcast and moving those 13 episodes over here so we can keep them alive and well in our archives.
So the Pubcast is our new podcast where we'll talk about all kinds of stuff and not be limited to only talking about Boardwalk Empire and we'll actually begin on episode 14. So just consider these first 13 episodes as bonus content. It's Loncha. Welcome to the Boardwalk Breakdown podcast featuring Michelle Riley, Mike Cross and me, Brendan O'Neill.
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You on board? We have a full house this time in addition to the usual cast of characters. With Michelle and Mike and Brendan, we have Allison and Tim. We have all five people for the big finale that you saw.
I thought maybe that's what he was doing was killing himself and I wondered if it wasn't going to be like a constant flashing back to him drowning throughout the show. An obvious callback to him in the Ocean getting the quarters from Tom Lork on episode 1 of this final series. Without jumping too far ahead, but I mean your guess or your assumption at the beginning wasn't that far off from the truth, at least in terms of what he was saying to Eli later. And I think the whole thing was very cathartic in that we always got that scene at the beginning with the shoes and hit fully clothed and now we're seeing it fully naked.
And rolling back into the water where all of this kind of ties all the loathed flashback scenes to these some Brendan's estimations. How it all kind of ties it all together. And of course like we've said or I believe you said and you guys I think agree is that it was going to be wrapped in a nice little bow. Yeah.
Is that the tone for this? And it was important because you knew it was the last episode. So it was nice that they at least somehow cinematically acknowledged that this was something different to them. It was the big important man in the script of all his armor.
He was he was vulnerable. The Emperor's nuclear. Okay. Then the first thing we jump into was the flashback young Nucky at Commodore's Hotel.
Right. This entire episode was all about building the tension around how does the moment of truth happen with Jillian getting handed over to the Commodore. And I don't think that they were subtle about that. I mean I think that was very obvious that that's what this entire episode was leading up to and what the entire episode was referencing.
But the underlying part of that is that it wasn't so much about him handing over Jillian to the Commodore. It's when in its reference to this article from Baltrow.com I was reading how it's the first symbolic death of Nucky Tonson. What is that moment when he has her own? Yeah.
He is now taking an innocent. Yeah. He's taking a turn. He is now officially taking hands with Satan and this is now going down another path.
So this flashback scene presents the first quote that I'm going to throw in here where it's someone else saying something that makes sense in the context but it obviously is them talking about Nucky's life or making a statement about Nucky's life. And this is when Nucky's at the Commodore's corner hotel. The Commodore says what do you think it says on Vanderbilt's tombstone? You know.
Then something in Latin. He's like no it doesn't say or it doesn't say he worked hard. Like no one cares about that. All that matters is what you leave behind.
The Commodore said to Nucky and it's obviously a statement where Nucky's likely talks about Nucky's trying to build a legacy. He's trying to lead off the Kennedy. All that family stuff and you gotta have something to leave behind. Nucky doesn't have that.
When he leaves stuff behind with Eli and literally leaves stuff behind along the way. I do like it. But also though there was the he references he's got nothing. Right.
You know so that was a camera nothing. He's left with nothing. So what that what that says about him as a man as a as a idea in this whole story. It's like it's there was really no impact or no legacy that that was once he's gone then there's really nothing.
I did and this is not to be too hyper critical but the Commodore the storyline and how totally aggressively just evil the guy is. Do you think a little melodramatic to me? I don't want to have a certain point why people were on board with this guy because usually people like that at least have some level of charm. There's no depth.
There's nothing to follow him and he was just a jerk to Nucky at every turn and I can see where sort of that kind of relationship between men can drive some men in terms of an I'll show you or a you know winning the sort of father approval but it didn't feel like that to me and he was just such a jerk at every possible point and to think that he had to spend his entire life in one way or another with that guy. I don't even quite get it. I couldn't tell if it was kind of like because you have to earn everything that you get that he wasn't going to give anything is it to a certain extent like he was training him or like it was kind of this tough you know where he was just like you know you got to and actually he's going to give you anything you got to give you anything. It wasn't even advocating that just by any means necessary taking it as opposed to like hard work or anything like that but yes usually it was a very heavy area.
I mean I don't tell sometimes I mean I agree with you in some moments of it but then other moments I'm like well maybe this is all about him training up the next person to take over for him that I don't think he goes to show him. But these types of characters usually have two sides of them usually have like they have the the racehorse racehorse trainer when you give him the whip when you give him the sugar to you. I mean I don't even know what he has the whip. He never gives him the sugar he never gives him the stick with him.
But it's not a sign of the time as well. No it's just him being a jerk that the other guy had had an end up to mentor him. Right to share if he really found him so annoying he could have caught him loose a hundred times but yet he kept him around. I mean I just yeah it wasn't quite developed.
It wasn't as well I think that there was an implication there that maybe it wasn't really executed as well. Yeah. So sticking on the flashback the next flashback we go to is Nucky at home he finds bloody sheets at his house Mabel had a mishap what you'll call it. I was baffled by her whole demeanor.
Never resolved it. What happened? Right. Did she leave?
Did she leave? Did she die? Whatever happened with him. They never resolved that.
When I saw that scene finally did I miss something from the first season or two did they ever actually say what happened to her. Nothing means to figure out. But I mean there was a very detached demeanor about her. What I mean.
It makes you think that there was like this mental thing that happened where she kind of snapped and it can apply all sorts of possibilities then of what happens. Sure. But that's what we were saying earlier. That's the we think the one storyline as small as it is was never resolved.
Right. So I really didn't get a sense of how that they went. It's a lot of things. It's the closest thing is what you say.
You get that tone of she's just going to go crazy. She's just going to you know it's going to be our own. Well woman within hours of losing a baby is going to have some. That was pretty good.
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Alright.
Just to kind of follow up on that. It was also you know Nookie seemed to be trying to connect with her really trying to understand or try to get an emotion out of her. But then he gets pulled away. He made a tone.
Also. And so there you know that further kind of took the emotion or the real impact of what that means in terms of their future that he made the choice to leave or to go do something else and not be focused on her. It just raises more questions. Yeah.
Was that just the end of the marriage or you know they just drift apart or did something actually happen? Yeah. I do think that that actual moment was like a classic archetype. I guess archetype isn't right because that implies a person or a character.
But it was a classic like character or scene structure. There's that we've seen it in a thousand movies. That moment when you're dealing with something really important and then all of a sudden something else takes your attention. And at that moment the guy makes the choice.
Like you think of a thousand movies that have happened. They make the choice and they walk away and that's where it all falls. The hand, the guy drops the hand. There's so many people.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like a commonly used setup. Yeah.
Setup device in so many. The work in the road. Yeah. This important thing or goes to this other important thing.
Right. Yeah. So then we see Nucky at his parents' house. His mom's got a shiner from Little Dad.
Yeah. That seemed like unnecessary. This scene I thought was going a little bit of a different way. I knew they were going to fly it obviously.
But I thought this is where Nucky beat his dad down and assumes the role of the. Yeah. And now I'm in charge of old man and you know this is how it's going to be or get out of your family or something. Never quite got there.
I mean trying to sort of but not really. And this is another quote I want to pull out from the dad. So after they fight and they're sort of, I think maybe it's right before they're fighting. Nucky's department is dad and his dad says, we're here.
Where do you think you're running? We're always going to be right here. Yeah. That felt a little bit forced.
Yeah. Literal. We're going to be here. But medical oracle.
Like no matter how big of a guy you become. This is where you came from. This is what you are. You can't escape what you are.
And that's a hallmark in Nucky's life that we see throughout the series. Michael. I'm sorry, I'm ready. See, you're disconnected again.
I was also expecting something a little bit more dramatic to your point about where we're always going to be here. The reference to the daughter that was buried. They were literally fighting on her grave. Well, they did say we're all here.
But literally fighting the role around her grave was just really kind of interesting. I kind of felt like the women did say to go kind of where there wasn't going to be a clear ass woman and that thing. It kind of felt like you don't matter what you do in life, you can never really fight your dad. True.
I mean, just the family or your history. That's always going to be there. You know, you can't be the guy. And I don't mean it.
Literally fight. I just mean like you're never going to. You can't win that fight. Yeah.
I think sometimes you have to fight your dad. But you can't ever win it. Right. I guess that's what I mean.
I think too that to kind of go back on what we were talking about before you can't get past your history, like the damn making fun of him because of his uniform or whatever. They tried to strip it down and become equals with the dad in terms of, okay, we're going to have this out and okay, now can we talk about it? I took my code off. I took my uniform off.
Let's have this out. You know, there might be a stripes when they're in the bathroom and I'm going to take my hat off and put the hat on. Go ahead. Take a swing.
When you're punk. There's our connection to the wild. So we've got stripes. Come on.
All right. I'm going to switch gears. Let's go down the Kennedy path with Margaret. That was actually short sweet and wrapped up nicely.
Loved it. So the Mayflower Green Corporation has a board meeting. They're worried about the repeal not happening. Right.
The recon out. The West versus the drives. That's right. That's what they would call it.
And Kennedy shows up at Margaret's office, the brokerage and. By the way, I mean, she made a significant jump from her role. That's what I was going to say. Now she can charge basically one of some.
She's got for her. She's going to scam her way to the top. Yeah. Well, she was.
I mean, scam, sure. But there is something that she has like an innate ability to navigate this. We didn't say it. Yeah.
Yeah. And it's the man's business. Yeah. In the terms of manipulating people, she's almost like Nucky's equal.
She's becoming that force, right? I mean, Nucky even used her in a couple of points to do that. Yeah. I love how she declared him having, well, we didn't come there yet.
They end up resolving that scenario where she earned Snucky a lot of money. And then he asked her if she earned any and she rattles off amount. And I'm like, I don't believe her for a second. She's been stuck by the way.
Oh, yeah, of course. It's a lot more than $29,000. More than a thousand shares. I hope Terrence Winter hears me say that and appreciates the best that I believe that she's in stockpiling.
Yeah. All right. The Maple Hour Corporation, the partner's been selling their shares behind Kennedy's back. Kennedy's trying to hold his ground.
But Margaret says, why don't you sell your shares too? If you can't keep them doing it. Yeah. I don't think he was worried about the culpability of it.
He was afraid of the risk. Yeah. Right. Right.
But he's always trying to play himself as this. Right. But history's proven that he wasn't. So, right.
Yes. Let's be right. We're pretty frank about that. And he is more concerned with the risk, the financial risk than the moral risk, right?
Yes. I think he was. Yes. Absolutely.
He's more afraid of it. So we see the stock just going down, down, down. And he's wreaking up. He wants to sell at 16, 12, 10.
He can't. She was cool as a cute phone. She's just the last. Yeah.
She hasn't been about it yet. And I love that whole scene of her just really being in control. She's in charge. And this tech hard guy is freaking out.
Like yappen in her ear or whatever. She's like, it hasn't yet yet. And when it was kind of seemed like, okay, now, like a very calm, very correlated decision. Okay.
I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. I loved it.
I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. I think about that whole scene.
What I loved was when they shook hands afterwards and he said your hands are sweaty too or clammed too. Yeah. Because there was, while she was displaying a lot of cool there, there was a lot of risk. Yeah.
And I thought she told me, come see her in the three office hours. Right. Well, yeah. When he said, you know, he was trying to hit her.
He was trying to hit her. But he was being real condescending, you know, at one point too. He was doing business together. You know, I'll never understand these three things.
And the last one is being the mind of a, mind of a woman. And then she said, well, picture everything that you want and then picture yourself in a dress. There's nothing different about what it is we want in life, but what it is we aspire to do or accomplish. It's just I happen to be a woman.
And I love everything about that scene. Well, I'll also explain the difficulty of the time. So that's the beauty of it. The times and continued to know.
I mean, I think that that is an ongoing issue. But I think certainly illustrated in this particular situation. Sure. Very well.
So then Margaret, Miss Nucky. I was confused for a second because I wasn't paying attention to the setting. I thought they were at the club that was empty now. Like in his office or something.
But that was a rental unit he was going to New York City. I thought it was the hotel room that he was in or like his apartment in the city. I wasn't on the ball. No, of course that's why it's empty.
People are there people seeing the unit while they're in there. But it was in New York City. So that was implying that he was getting out of town. Yeah.
Yeah. And the closer the market to where her place was. And he had to get out of town. Yeah.
And the name of that rental unit or condo was. The Alvarado. Yes. So we find out that in that shorting of stuff, Nucky makes a little over $2 million.
Pretty big sum in 1980. Pretty big? Yeah. The market made just $29,000.
I don't believe that number. She was obviously stocking away money the whole time anyway. That's what I was saying. She's got plenty of cash.
Then they do that little dance. Very nice. It's sort of a little bow on their relationship. It was a sweet guy.
It was a sweet guy. But all of that felt like a goodbye. Like Nucky was going to leave. I really don't think.
If he hadn't been shot, he would have killed himself I think. Yeah. So he was definitely not going to live. Yeah.
I think that was where all the series of good guys. Right. This was him making his piece with everybody. Yeah.
But I like the moment in that scene when the other couple comes in during the dance. And the team's got to play and they're. They've slipped into a previous time, you know, back when they first became a couple. And it was a little bit more innocent.
Yeah. A little bit more innocent. Yeah. But 45 seconds dance could have happened in the first season.
Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Definitely.
And then Nucky says there are things that he did before that he can't do anymore. Sort of putting on the table. Like I'm a different guy. I can't go on.
Whether he knows he's going to survive or not. I don't know. But then Marget said, and it's kind of. Easy line.
I thought it was a good way to wrap it up. It was like, cause Nucky's sort of guilty. It appears guilty. It appears that he feels guilty about Marget's situation and what happened in the past 10 years.
Marget says, all you did was offer. I was the one who took. And that's sort of the template for their relationship. Was that he tried to get her involved, but she was the one that took that final step.
She's never fully innocent. No. Not even close. That's that.
It was a nice ending though. I have a small little comment. Really? It's not really related to this.
But I actually, I was struck by her outfits in this particular episode. Because they were very professional, very business as opposed to just kind of a feminine dress or whatever. It really seemed to be like a shift for her in terms of her appearance and her demeanor. And I think it symbolized a change for her and what her focus is and who she is and what she's going to be doing.
I don't know. In any previous episodes, I didn't really pay attention, but I noticed it in this particular one. You saw it this season. She went, she used to be very clean.
And now she was quite continent. But it was very, but it was very professional. Yeah. Now the purple suit that she had in this pink, I don't know, I think it was pink when she showed up to see Nucky.
It was very, you noticed it. Right. Absolutely. The first episode was two of the three.
She's dressed almost as an immigrant. Oh, she's not. She's not. She's not.
She's not. She's not. She's not. She's not.
She's not. She's not. She's not. She's not.
She's not. She's not. She's not. She's not.
She's not. She's not. She's not. I totally agree with you on probably a great day.
Is that just Ben Um yeah. Yeah, no one was black. Margaret New York yeah, with Margaret into in driver training yeah. Getting involved in the hi Jinx, yeah.
Yeah we can go back next week Kind of a little mo Yeah. Yeah, all right and this one now with the I want to get onto this is the last segment of our little John here and it's lucky visiting Eli. Yeah, he was in some sort of storage room in the back of the boardwalk somewhere above whatever store Yeah, he's still a mess. Um, I like how I brought him a razor I know so he opens the bag that I put tons of money, you know, fifty thousand dollars whatever's in there and then at the end is a Shady brush.
Yeah, yeah, I thought that was he was really great though. The way they did that because it wasn't Sachron and it wasn't it was very no. He was very matter of fact, and he sort of said he said he very planned he said I want to Yeah, I think it's better that way. Yeah, and kind of went through that you like wounded as usually Well in him saying you know, why did you end up being the last one?
Because you needed me to be right? With no second thought like well obviously that's why you know He was like and that's interesting coming from a family dynamic where you look at certain things and go Yes, some people just sort of like intuitively knows their things and I was constantly surprised by them. Yeah, like he had a step up and Protect you like um well and the other thing too in that scene weren't they you know He was basically encouraging him to actually don't assume that she's gonna say no Just go out there and take a chance otherwise you're never gonna know you're yeah Like you're gonna always regret it if you don't well Yeah, so the benefit of knowing it a pile of money in his bag Which is probably gonna make a little bit of it right right well Here's one where Nucky says something to Eli that basically sums up Eli's entire life Talking about his relationship with his wife and and they're living wherever they are and they're ready to potentially They're there where Eli can reach out and reconnect. Yeah, and like he says what are you waiting for?
And that's the he was whole thing is what are you waiting for? He could do all this stuff and he has the ability to do all these things throughout the entire series. What are you waiting for? He never makes that step Tells to tell him I can tell him what to do right?
Yeah, right? All right switch gears Capone is complaining about the ledgers being taken by dandjillo whose name we find out is actually Malone alone a Fun Irishman and that's where the phone is not mad about that. He's mad. He's an Irishman And he was fast himself off as a doubt that that was fantastic right?
I heard that like oh my cross. Yeah, I busted out laughing But then he says you know that hurts the most The whole time to pwn is thinking he'll beat the rap he'll pay off judges. He's like blowing this whole thing off I don't think so He was putting on the the cepon facade Yeah, to keep everybody as comfortable as they could until Where he's not been a lawyer I mean the scene with his son and then the scene of him in a limo for he gets out I should I think both of those things like he there's two things were happening one He knew that this was actually like a bigger deal that this really was gonna be the end of him And that's why he had the conversation to do with his son But I thought how he was in the back of that limo and actually put makeup on his scar It was all about the image and a look yeah the white suit on I mean it was it was all about the show and it was less about what was really going on right? I went from the end on those stairs.
I said to Joel when we were watching us. That's a great scene Well, yeah, the call of the stairs and I went to an aerial view and they saw him to do the tip And it was just like oh that was a very nice. I thought that was a great. Yeah What I liked about this whole arc was that it really did I mean and so that if humanized I'm in showroom and completely different Like that everyone thinks about yeah, I mean even in the prior episode.
I mean he was just a nut job Right like these things are true. I don't get that Show me a little bit of self-awareness, but you didn't see the entire Right the little scene with his stuffs on so very very And some of that is realistic and some of that is there is there is truth to that that he felt very protective of his son because he's Staff and it really loved his family. There was no question that he loved his family It doesn't excuse what he did, but it certainly is something that it never gets portrayed in anything that you hear about It's always saying Valentine's Day. It's the man.
It's you know We could have these it is truly it is for sale And there's a people there no no in the city. Yeah, I can't remember the address, but I want to say like Let's give you up Yeah He makes a statement that obviously makes sense to a son But I think is more telling of nothing is more about nothing. He says all I did all the bass up I did was you Yes, yes, no I think the statement you could take out and put it towards That's all I did was for you I wanted to leave you with something better and that's like Nucky's theme for the whole this is the theme of the entire Not that is the show has always been about legacy and leaving something better and getting maybe getting that next generation Of course, but they don't have to do this kind of work. They can be legitimate business Again back to where I got bothered algaes right?
Every time I try to get out Baby wipes not count every time I went to ask I think it's the last time all right now we're at lucky lancey and seagull They are still meeting they are single seagulls. They're very punchable all three Benny's people more annoying than Mickey Doyle. Yes in my estimation I love Mickey Doyle Mickey Doyle is who he is right? That's one thing I was cheering right?
Oh, I was He's working for me. Here's the difference between finding here's because he's dangerous Mickey Doyle was harmless I'm not glad and also Mickey Doyle knew who he was and he never tried to hide from it. We're a bank seagull We might have been part of it. Yeah, certainly it was a smart But yeah, I think those three together So there's some crew so they're sitting a meeting with all the time bosses It's said it's going to try to get the guy from Buffalo That's about it legal and landscape are getting trying to set a meeting with the Italian boss.
Yeah, it's good They're reveling in the fact. I mean they're just basking their own glory of now. We are the young where they were I'm that ten years ago. I remember when I went to Rio and lucky and I thought well I've arrived And this was true to form in its the reality is that those guys were in power for another 20 to 30 years in some variation or another I mean some didn't like as long as others But I mean I mean Sixties but those guys there you know they're Their staying power gave them a lot of you know that name resonated for a long time Yeah, I did lucky always have that truth the eye the whole that came out later That was post something must have happened in the seven year interim between season four and five.
Yeah, you got the Yeah, yeah I got a lot of your barber In the first Lucky I think from the get-go has been except for a Jip Rosetti who was just out of his mind Chip Luciano has been the most ruthless gangster the most violent gangster of this group and it comes out again The most violent gangster, but yet I must say he's about 1% With Jip and not to get to D-rail, but Jip was not the kind of guy who could get to the level of where Yeah, yeah, but when you're that crazy about it your the bulls eye on your back becomes that much better Well, what did we say before you know the light that burns twice as bright last twice or half as long as that's that Jip, right? So I say that before episode show But so even setting up the meeting with these Italian bosses lucky said anybody's not on board that they're fucking gone Let's wait all of them anybody was not involved with our little scheme. They're done right even his own guys his own Right extended So during this meeting lucky give seagull the word to kill Your friend what we do about a friend? Yeah, they're left at big.
They're not a hard one Our friend there was two shooters in public so people know no fuck-ups in the moment you think it's Nucky I think it's Nucky. I did too and so did yeah I just wonder and you just stole Alice. It's not because she was gonna jump in and say that. Oh, sorry I was gonna say that so you can then man hold me down Yeah It made for an interesting play in that Because when he's walking that scene on the boardwalk immediately following that Nucky's watching these almost it was fun to watch again for the second time just seeing him like he's almost like aimlessly wandering Yeah, he doesn't know where to go and he's trying to get his bearings But also he was like just in he was in the crowd like there was nothing special about right There was nothing distinguished him as anybody important He was just walking there everyone else yeah And in a way that they shot it you know because it was immediately following that scene It made you wonder were they talking about nothing or were they talking about somebody else so immediately following that we see Narcissi is getting down down no but before that though Then it becomes the big question mark scene that we've all been dying I think to talk about and that is the woman that comes up to him on the boardwalk Do you want to see the future and it was it was a weird kind of yes, there was an eye Yeah, she says I'm from the future.
I have a message for you I just want to know what it is right and on the TV. There's twinkle twinkle little star plane Right, I still don't think great get that one. I still don't have to read a lot of something on there critical Essays on that but he goes I mean so let's kind of write it down I mean he goes into this tent and he can't quite find his way like he's kind of lost in the dark That's it I can't see anything can't see anything it up. It was like really implied that he doesn't know what's going on And then he sees this image on screen and it was it was kind of like Showing that the time is changing right right television broadcast And so there's a significant ship that is about to happen in terms of the world that he lived in and the world that is going to be Yeah, and he is other past.
That's what right, right? And I don't know if the two go take a little start means anything or that's actually a part of history and that's one of the original Broadcast I couldn't find it online. Yeah, I think there's a 30 second search. Yeah, but it was just kind of an interesting Acknowledgement that that times are changing and the world that he knew is not Right and we will hold Nucky's fate toward the end here.
Let's not go that that plugs yet But okay, so narsies is shot on the steps of the church you come down it fantastic. It was like the one more satisfying Have we not had the other kill this would have been the quality kill of the episode, right? Yeah, yeah, I think this one was what to me this one was better, but come on we might have to vote on The whole Yeah, it was very satisfying that that guy finally bought it. Yeah He escaped all the you know, yeah, he had side swiped so many bullets for so long And I love the fact that you're standing on the stuff preaching Way back to his warehouse I mean he tried to present himself as this way this This is a creature He was a flesh-f enlir, right?
I mean yeah Yeah, so jillian we see right the side hospital Slash nuchouse Nucky visits and he says she's looking she doesn't say anything. No, no where does all the talking? Yeah, she playing with a little Never addresses him right now, he says, you know, I'm not someone you should look to bro. I'm leaving here I'm starting something new and Then he says I put money in a trust for you if you're gonna get out of here get the trust Interesting that he would do that but not Yeah, why would he do want to not be out?
Yeah, I don't think that he thinks that she necessarily should be out I don't know that he could get her out. How could he get her out? I got two points in on what she decided like there was like she would have made it You know, there was something insinuated that she made some decisions that kind of got her who here in the insane assignment Insane as I think that was a Feed-in-finity right right and so there's only so much that he could do yeah That was the experience that I think she said she did this and there's I mean what could he do if she can't just say I'll take her I mean just in right I think you wanted to keep her in there just It's also in some ways to keep her safe, right? I mean that's she's kind of her own worst enemy in so many ways Oh, I don't think there's anything benevolent about it.
He just he wasn't trying to do something for her court. Oh good He just yeah, that was the most he could offer I did find it interesting, you know, they actually had a ladybug kind of crawling around in her fingers or whatever And she made the comment about About you know, how can you really tell who the lady is or something like that? Which ones are the ladies who's really the lady or something like that? And I thought that you know that was kind of an interesting comment to me just was that of course shadowing of her grandson?
Yeah, I don't I thought that it might be only because I know that on the face of it that scene was playing that She was just being crazy and not not engaging with Nucky Nucky's just running at the mouth and the whole game and she's not doing anything to stop him and because she's not engaging with him He just keeps talking And I suppose on the face of it you could have looked at that and go boy She's really lost her marbles, but I feel like she knew exactly what she was doing And that was very purposeful, right? Although we did find out that she obviously had something taken out by that Dr. Cotton She say when she got up and there's still some chivalry in the world right because he puts his hand out there's still some chivalry Which is the exact scenario when he asked for a hand on the boardwalk under right so now we're getting down to it But I did find that unsatisfying to see like okay, I agree. I don't know.
I didn't I didn't find it unsatisfying I wouldn't say it was I think a lot of these threads were maybe purposely left dangling a little bit so you could draw some of your own conclusions I was less satisfying than him saying about a Margaret and him saying about it Right, it didn't feel resolved. It just sort of like it was that part of it Yeah, I'll formulate it with this about it because the conclusion happens later in the show Right, so I thought that scene was intended to be like the no, it's not but I thought she and he would have had Hash out or air their bullshit. I thought she would have had something Yeah, I can't have it like the way it played out, but that's just you were a joint fan anyway So that's not the last you talked about it. I'm sorry for the product edit there But this episode of boardwalk breakdown is a little bit long and we're breaking it up into two parts in part two We break down not only the final episode but the final season and the series as a whole we also talked about our favorite characters Our most hated characters and just our overall take on the series and some final thoughts.
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