Welcome to episode 1 of the Pubcast. My name is Brendan O'Neill and I would normally be joined by Mike Cross and Michelle Riley. From these first few episodes we are revisiting our previous podcast, Boardwalk Breakdown. Basically we're shutting down the Boardwalk Breakdown podcast and moving those 13 episodes over here so we can keep them alive and well in our archives.
So the Pubcast is our new podcast where we'll talk about all kinds of stuff and not be limited to only talking about Boardwalk Empire. And we'll actually begin on episode 14. So just consider these first 13 episodes as bonus content. Slantia.
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Season 4! Now this one I'm gonna need a little tea. I know I am too. And actually they have.
It's the most recent but it's got a lot happening. It's a lot going on in season 4. You get a lot of Gretchen Mall, Ron Livingston. Yeah.
You get a Ron Livingston thing. Let's dive right in. Let's dive in. The Ron Livingston thing.
I like the way that Ark was going. I don't like any of it. I like the way it was going and I felt so stupid that I didn't see it coming. I know.
And then when it happened I was like it. It was like it. Son of a bitch. How did I not see that coming?
You knew something wasn't right but I did not see that it was gonna be Junior. Uncle Junior over here taking care of business. Uncle Junior? Uncle Junior?
No I didn't either. No I didn't either. But you didn't like it? I didn't like it.
I didn't know anywhere. I don't care that someone is trying to get information from Gillian. I want a bigger action. I want something to evolve.
Not just like, alright, you have information we're gonna go prosecute so and so about. It doesn't matter. In my very small world. What I saw in season 4 was that there was a lot of conclusion.
Yeah. It sounded like a lot of things. Again, Gyptied up that calmer season 4 is teeing up. Let's wrap this shit in the bow and get us all on our way.
So season 5 is gonna be the ending of everything in 5 different categories but they really set the table for the ending of everything right at the end of season 4. So you had Eli, you had... Slow your roll. Yeah, I mean the biggest thing we're not talking about is my seas.
Right, well yeah. I mean you went from Gypt, the maniac who owns season 3 to Narcisse who is a quiet little calculated... Exercise and you know, constraints. Some combination of Ross Dean and Gypt into a little package that is the scariest thing in the world.
Yeah, I always get it. But here's what I didn't like about Narcisse. I didn't get the character because somebody should have just fucking whack. You know Michael you got a point there.
I do kind of get that. He both in the town. Anybody who talked to him for 4 seconds saw this guy's fucking trouble. He has to go away.
Right and he never was gone away. Yeah, that is interesting that Lucky wouldn't have said this guy's gotta go. Just whack him. He's the kingpin behind it all.
Whack him and be done. I didn't believe the doctor and I see singing. That's probably why I went right to the run Livingston and the... Right.
And that is because it was a storyline that... And maybe this is why season 4 is... Like you both said, it's kind of like... I gotta conjure.
I gotta pull this up. I love the season. I enjoyed it. I think Narsis was a let down as the next guy after Jeff.
Maybe if he came before Jeff, it would have been better. Interesting. Now. He's creepy.
He's creepy. He's not a creepy award. He was not believable. That's right.
Oh, he's definitely... I don't necessarily believe this but there's a large faction out there that will say that Dr. Narsis is one of the biggest or best villains in TV history. I've heard that.
He's creepy villainous. I will say that. I'm not saying you agree with that. No, no, I'm not saying you agree with that.
And it's... People love that character. Maybe it's the actor, maybe it's the performance. But the D...
Fantastic actor. What's his name again? It's Jeffrey Ross. Yeah.
He is fantastic. I know him as Alex Lider in the Bond films. Yes. Because I'm a James Bond fanatic.
Well, he is an amazing actor. Amazing actor. And he is scary as hell in this. He's not as scary as Jeff.
He's scary in a different way. He's not that rare. He's a scariest. I mean, Jeff is Rob Root.
Calculated like intelligent moves is scary. He's not even your face brutal. Alright, so we're introduced to Narcisse. And by the way, a real guy.
He was in charge of the... Is that right? Yep. And I'd have to look it up.
I mean, he was essentially a showman. Based on a real guy. Sort of a proponent of... What does he call it?
What's the... It's not black, right? He pulls out a country. Libya.
Is that Libyan? Yeah, he's Libyan. Yeah, it's a Libyan sort of... Libyan rights group.
I forgot about that term. He's based on a real guy. What's that that was interesting? Obviously, he's sort of enhanced for this series, but he is the...
The yin to Nucky's yang, right? Yes, for sure. And he takes advantage of Nucky in a number of ways. One of the things...
I don't know what you should get into, but it's of note is that Richard Harrow starts to go connect with his family again. Yeah, he goes back to Wisconsin. Right. Which being in Chicago, we sort of...
We understand that. Yeah, we go back to Wisconsin. Everyone's family is in Wisconsin. To see the Libyans.
Right. And the Nordics. The other character, I think... I think he might win the creepy awards of this season, most creepy character, is the guy who purports to be prohibition agent knocks into the end of the FBI agent, Talvar.
Great character. Holy cow, that guy scared the hell out of me. He was off the chain. Oh my god.
I really did like him as a character and he was believable, and he was definitely... The manipulation that he had with Eli was incredible in this season. I really appreciated that storyline. Way more than I appreciated the Dr.
Narcy's thing, which just seemed like it was... It was almost over the top, right? It was over the top of me. The fact that Chalky didn't fucking go in and blow this guy's brains out right out the gate.
I just couldn't understand why. There was something between the two men with the girl though. The singer? The singer.
Then he was in love with her. But you're right. She was owned by Dr. Narcy's.
That's why it was the whole story. And you really do kind of crystallize what the problem is. Is that there's a fundamental flaw in terms of why was he allowed to exist? Yeah, for as long as he was.
Without any kind of... I mean they gave you some background on Dr. Narcy's, but not enough to make it believable that he wouldn't have been a guy who caught two bullets in his pocket. He's smart gangster.
Should have seen Narcy's coming. They saw him a couple times ago. Why is this guy? I'm trying to call you now.
At this point, Naki had fallen in love with Billy again. And so I'm trying to remember if there was a connection between her being in the show. Narcy's was like... He facilitated the...
What is it? Working of the... The different singers, different clubs. He was like...
He's like a book? He's a producer. So he could make things go Naki's way if he wanted. Otherwise, he'd be booked somewhere else and he would lose the money associated with the talk.
That still seems pretty... It's thin in that. It's really good. Naki who's built up this huge empire in Atlantic City, he's gonna bank his future on this one singer.
So it does another singer's in that area? Come on. I think that's where I had trouble with it and why the Darnarcy's thing kind of failed me away. Here's where I lose it and I'd lost track of this entire...
Maybe not all of it, but most of this relationship or this side track of a plot. When Naki goes down to Tampa. Oh. And he meets up with Arquette's character.
Right. And she like has him wrapped around her finger and they're trying to bring in booze from Tampa and ship it up to the north and then... Mazaria's guy, Medellia and the Italian guy, Luciano. Luciano.
They sneak in heroin or cocaine or heroin. Yeah. The shipment, it's a whole thing. I didn't know why they had...
Why? Why Tampa? There's any number of ways to get alcohol into Atlantic City besides going down to Tampa. No, I think they explained that though because there was so much trouble with Mazaria and Ross team...
On the eastern seaboard. ...talking about all the other ports. Yeah, all the eastern seaboard ports. And so he was coming in from that direction.
The other part was the Arquette character was important because this is the first time that Naki really encountered a woman who really didn't need anything from him. She was her own person. She was playing him as much as he was playing her and they were... She represented the other person.
She represented the other person. Yeah. Not even as equal as much as not dependent on him. An escape.
Yeah, she didn't need him for further her career. She was fine with the way she was. They were in escape for each other from their dismal day-to-day life. She wasn't trying to get married or get paid.
She was running a shitty bar in Tampa in August and he was running a shitty town where he had no friends, no family. And they kind of commiserated, right? Yeah. On the list of places...
There was a lot of times when I said getting involved in it. Right. There was a place in the world where I would not want to be over. Tampa would be homeless.
Definitely. The world land is in there. I mean, whole thing. Yeah, it's the worst thing ever.
It's definitely not pretty. Libby. Libby, maybe one of those places here. I would hate to be a Libby in Libby.
Dr. Garcia. Dr. Garcia.
Dr. Garcia. Dr. Garcia.
Okay. Losing scene here. In the middle. In the middle.
In the middle of the season. Or maybe toward the beginning. Ross Dean runs into the market at her new job. Oh, great.
She's a lot more. She's a secretary at the trading firm at the same time. Yes. It seems to her secretary whatever.
It was one of those. You can imagine a room full of sewing machines and a bunch of women. We're going to have 17 hours. So it's, Arnold asked her to get her a glass of milk.
Oh, and that's a thing that the real guy did. Yeah. He was really, really. He's not a drinker.
So it's shown that in her new role that Margaret, even in that role, is part of a shady operation where she helps her boss to get over on these clients and take their money and not give them back the proper return. So that, I mean, it's not like that just makes me think, because she has that moral compass, she's like one of the most, the least likable character in this series. Because she says a hypocrite. Because she can, she has the right away, like right in front of her.
And she's always about to take that step, but then steps over here and go the wrong way. It's the Scorsese thing of, I'm gonna take this character right to the top of the wave. Right, and instead of having him go over, I'm gonna pull him right back down. Yeah, right.
And it, but it's, it works, and it works so well, because, and in a way, you've come to accept that about these characters. I think that's the other thing that this builds over three, four, five seasons, is that, instead of that initial shock of, oh my God, I can't believe this person's gonna do this, when you see her in those situations, now you're thinking, where's this bitch going with this? Yeah. I also think too, and I mean, don't disagree with what you're saying, and again, maybe I'm sensitive to this, but it's easy to have high morals when you're rich.
And so again and again and again, she ends up going in a different direction, because she's got no other option. Well, I think she represents in any number of instances. I mean, she left Nucky for God's sake, she could have shot her mind and stayed there. No, she was done.
Well, I don't know if she could have after the whole thing. Wow, she could have done what she needed to make that. She faces the fork in the road that we all face in the 20s and the 90s and the 2000s, whatever. At any given point, you can go the right path or the left path.
I don't think it's as black and white. I think it is. I mean, leaving Nucky and getting herself into Brooklyn was the right path, but now all of a sudden, she's in Brooklyn and she's got a few kids. But is that the same path?
But is that the same path? That's what my argument would be, is that she never left that path. She just, she hopped off of it for a few seconds and then she hopped right back on. Yeah, but if the goal was really to stay in that situation, she would have, she would have parted the pond, ridden Nick Mottie's way the entire time.
The reason's what I've done on this wack-a-do-stop and give away is, she's trying to do the right thing, but every time she gets into a situation where she tries to do the right thing, she ends up like we all do, suck back into this gray zone of morality because there are some variables there that you have to. The considerations of the things you may think of when considering a choice, go to bed, she makes the bad choice for the right reasons, almost always. Always. And if you say to be right, just when you don't have to deal with it, you have to deal with it.
And there are limited consequences for her. And she only has things to gain. So it's not like she. Many of the characters make the bad choice for the bad reason.
She makes the bad choice for the right reason. So she chooses to go to Brooklyn for the right reasons to get away from that lifestyle, but then immediately she fears right back on the Ross scene train because. Well, he backed her into that, but you put a argument that she did kind of. She'd let herself get back then.
Questionably ethical job with the trader. That's a weird thing. At the same time though, again, I would say, as a woman, what was she going to do it, not play along? Right.
She kind of had no choice in all ways, right? In a lot of those situations, she had a choice, but the choice was between doing something that was morally questionable and feeding her kids. Well, here's the block of these characters, really morally bankrupt or does that score says you'd change or put them in situations where they have no choice but to be morally bankrupt. I think you could apply that to everybody's life at any single time.
Many of them are victims of their circumstances. Those of us that don't have to face hard choices are usually because we are so blessed with privilege that we don't have to face a hard choice. When you're not lucky enough to have a safety net in your life, things get harder. All right, so she continues and then we delved into another subplot of this season that I was not interested in at all.
Be my son. Be my son. I know. And I found that actor.
Pardon me. I'm sorry if you're listening, sir, but I found him annoying. I mean, he just, I could do it better. I'm not sure anyone else would do it better, but the character was who cares?
But the overriding thing was how they pull this kid into. Right. So another example of a person trading on their morality. Well, and it's a set up for season five.
I think he had a healthy dose of that season five. But everyone is trying, is giving up their, their more accomplice for whatever game he did in his thing. Yeah. You know, and as he lies further and further and further into trying to get into Naki's world, I mean, this kid is a liability for everybody connected to him.
And it's because the, from the outside, the gangster world is attractive. Right. He falls into that, right? He gets into a problem at school.
A kid dies because he steals a bunch of, or some alcohol from Mickey Doyle's. Right. Look at going. Would you trade on a scene again?
Right. The Mickey Doyle is classic Mickey Doyle. Yes. And then, hey, he doesn't know that.
He's got a little attitude. I want to do that. He's gone up. Yeah.
He's gone up. It might have been my head. He does not want a bit of that. So it's all be.
All right. And then so he gets this alcohol, gives to his friend. Bad things happen. The kid dies.
Willie, the Eli's son, is. A cover up ensues to put to the child. Yeah. He's obviously involved, but he's trying to cover it up.
It doesn't work so well. The authorities are onto him. That's a touch wind. Eli or Willie, then instead of going to Eli, his dad, brow, but he goes to Nuggie.
And that's a huge sticking point with Eli. Like, it's said, and not so many words. Don't go to my brother, brow. Go to me for help.
You're my son. But they set that up for a long time by creating this character of Eli as this angry father. Freedom. Yeah.
So they teed that up for two seasons. Right? I mean, it took. Plus he'd been away at jail.
Plus he's out there all again. I don't like any of this. So many points to this. Yeah.
It's not great. I mean, I expect it to pay off at some point, but I think we get to pay off on that this season. I think we really expect a couple of them. Well, it's a better season, yeah.
Because I'm losing steam on that whole thing. I don't care so much. All right. Capone is trying to, Capone's brother is killed in a shootout.
That was actually seen at the moment. Al Capone is just raging over this, and he's like a maniac all over again. Then one thing happens, and this is historical again, because I've researched it separately from this, is how Dean O'Banyan undercut and set up Johnny Torio to get taken down by the cops. Because they both bought into the facility.
He was making illegal alcohol. Oh, right. Brilliant. Brilliant.
And really the way he ends the season. Dean O'Banyan hooked up with these cops because he wanted to flop Johnny Torio. He said, all right, you guys show up on Saturday or whatever, what day or time. Johnny O'B there, he owns this facility.
He's doing his bad things. He's selling these. He's making himself out on selling it. Go here and do that.
I'll be there. Make sure you take care of me. I'm not part of this situation. He has the name Elise, whatever.
In the meantime, he has Torio sign up, buy him out, and be the sole owner of this facility. So by the time the cops come and raid, all the paperwork, everything is in Torio's name. O'Banyan gets out, Scott Free. Torio goes down because of the cops.
So this amps up the feud, the battle over Chicago between the Italians and Irish. Which is also, I mean, I hate to backtrack, but the whole thing was spurned by Nucky. And the blue blood lineage of the Rockefellers. I don't know.
This is the Rockefellers. I forget it. I can't remember. I mean, one of the original.
Yeah, one of the original. And hired American and American and American. Look it up. Wikipedia.
You'll find it. So I thought that was interesting. And that was fascinating. That exchange took between, I don't want to have anything.
DuPont perhaps? I think it was DuPont. Because that's one of the main themes of Chicago. Short of this series is the battle between the Irish mob and the Italian mob.
It was up until maybe this moment. It was mostly run by Dino Bangan and the North Tigers. This moment sort of catapulted or elevated the war. And eventually, DuPont took over for Torio and they took over.
I thought that was very interesting. All right, so where are we at? Knox slash FBI agent Tolliver, the creepiest guy in this series. No question.
Who I think needs his own shell. He's so ridiculous. Him and Jim and Narcissi should be over if she's somewhere else. Because they're out of control.
We could have 10 in the shell. I don't know. So he, doops, are a good man. Eddie Kessler.
Nucky's right hand man is man serving. Poor Eddie. Into a night of drinking and whatever, be friends him. And then the next day, arrest him and torches him over a couple of days.
I don't know whatever it is. That wasn't track I think. In order. But in fact, eventually, after holding out forever, Kessler turns on Nucky, gives up some bit of information.
And then the next day, poor Eddie, a favorite of many people watching the show, jumps out of windows and says, that was surprising. Only honorable dude in the whole show. Right. There we go.
We found the one. That's our um, Fennia. OK. That's right.
That's uh, give me a word. Oh, the character from the godfather. And the brother comes over. Come on.
We can cut this out. I wasn't busy. I wasn't in the olive oil business with this father. I wasn't in the olive oil business.
Oh, fucking hell. Holy fuck. Come on. I don't know.
You know what I mean? Say it to me. So I said, but I said. I'm not going to know his name though.
What's his face is dead. Hold on, I got it. Frank Santagelli. Oh, that one.
Yeah. I was in the olive oil business with this father, but that was a long time ago. He was so. Frank, with a Penton Jelly.
Penton Jelly. Come on, let me say this. I say this. I like that.
Penton Jelly. Alright. Okay. Frank Santon Jelly, we're going to say from the godfather.
Alright. What does he say? What is it's um, later afterwards is when the conciliary comes over and says, we'll take care of your family. We'll take care of your family.
Anyway. So when Tom Hagen is talking to him at the prison, they just go in the bathroom, draw a bath, and put their veins with cigars. That's good. Alright.
Back to the game here. Alright. So, we come to the point where this is where we come back to the murder of O'Banyan. The Italian mobsters come into Scofield's flower shop.
Kill O'Banyan with a handshake murder, and good old Ben Alden is in the background. He had been his cover name. The name he took was Mueller. Yeah.
Right. And he was selling iron as door to door. I'm sorry. I wouldn't.
He's very German. Yeah. That didn't work so well because you don't want lurch selling you iron. You're front door.
I don't think that did. Would you like to buy that iron? He had a run in with his boss. Whatever.
Hit him with the iron. That was actually satisfying when that happened. That was fantastic. It's a great moment.
I'm a fan anytime. Hey, somebody gets it. And underling sort of sticks with a man. It's good.
You're actually hitting someone in the face with an iron. No, I've nearly done that. I'm out of the dark way. I just hadn't thought of it.
If I had an iron at the time. No. I mean, things can happen. So he's looking for job.
He hooks up with O'Banyan's crew. He's sort of a dulfer. He just does whatever. Helping O'Banyan in the back of his flower shop.
He's there when the van gets killed. He actually takes a grand out of O'Banyan's wallet. Yeah. Then we come back to New Jersey.
And Chalky is out to kill Narcisse. Right. I mean, Narcisse really takes center stage on the season. The back half of the episode is honestly.
The past and progression of his ability to gain favor within the town, to gain favor within the young girl. But there's no reason. I need one to give him favor. That's why he's struggling.
That's why he's struggling. I'm not going to know it. He's civilized. He's a shit.
You know what I mean? Nobody's civilized in this world. I mean, is someone who's a smooth proctor? Well, I think it appears to be someone exotic with them.
But I mean, there are people. Libyan. He's a Libyan. I am Dr.
Narcisse. I speak very deliberately. I am Libyan. I mean, I think this is- I've been waiting for something.
And I don't feel that we've got resolution on this. So it's clearly- Oh, no, no. We're going to get resolution on that early on in season five. And we are going to get resolution on a few things.
First of all, I don't want to get too far ahead of here. But the Capone thing is going to be, I think, a huge part of season five. It has to. I mean, it's got to.
I also read that there's a lot of talk about flashbacks in season five. I don't like flashbacks. Too much. I would.
But there's too much to flash forward. Yeah, we need to flash forward. Too. Nucky's upbringing.
That might play a good role. If it's five minutes- Think about it though. Think about it. Five minutes of each episode, I'll tolerate.
I'm going to assume the way- I'm going to- I'm going to assume the way they're structuring this series. It's effectively begins and ends in prohibition. I'm assuming the end in prohibition. The first episode is the first night of- Right.
Right. So it got to end- Close to the end. Basically the end of prohibition. Season four begins in 1924.
The beginning of the next 24. Prohibition, I believe, ends in 1929. Yeah, 29. It was ten-year.
Not quite ten-years. They've done four seasons over four years of five years. They've got to wrap up the whole back end of the whole five years in one season. All kinds of stuff has to happen in there.
Maybe how I could see them flash forward. Yeah, they have flash forward. I don't think they have time to flash back. I can't even do that.
Season five may take place in 1928. Right. Maybe we have to go there. Yeah, maybe we can.
But if you go that far ahead, do you lose the steam of Narcisse and Chucky? Chucky. Chucky. Chucky and Narcisse, they're battle.
It has to continue into the next year. I think you can't take a three or- I don't think so. I think this might be the end of Chucky. So- Honestly- We flash forward.
We will do the forward-looking predictions in a second. So we've got, in Chicago, in Chicago, Capone is trying to force Tori out. Tori out. He's the older gangster.
He took, I forget the actual year, but he took a sabbatical, effectively, to Italy for the bulk of a year, when you're- and it changed his whole outlook. When he came back to Chicago, he was not the gangster. No, he was definitely out. He was older.
He was out. He wanted to pass it on to somebody. Capone was that guy. Capone up until then was not ready.
He was sort of a knucklehead thug. By the time we catch up with them at the middle to end of season four, Capone's ready to sort of take over, he's trying to know how to talk about it. The fact that we happened cutting to the chase. There's probably 10,000 other ways we can go with this with Chucky and Narcisse and the singer whose name is daughter, something or other.
Yeah, his brother. And then- Daughter. And then Chucky's actual daughter is involved in this and is back and forth on who is in Chucky's own who and it's a whole thing. Well, I mean, Chucky's daughter dies as a daughter.
Daughter. Chucky's daughter dies by the bullet of who? Richard Harrell. Yeah, Richard Harrell.
Right. Accidentally. Who is it? I think Nucky had Richard set up as a sniper to take out Narcisse.
Right. Yes. In the last second accidental move, Narcisse moved. Daughter got in front of him.
Chucky's daughter got in the wrong way, run, run, run, and Richard actually ends up killing Nucky's daughter. Chucky's daughter. Right. Damn it.
It's getting late. That's a whole thing. So there's a built-in hatred between Chucky and Narcisse, which we think is going to culminate in season five. It's got him.
It's got him. There's an attempt on Torio's life. It fails, and then he hands over the operations through the compilence. The guy.
Right. Well, can't these people are not going to listen to this? I'm trying to get through season four, so... Season four, there's a lack on that.
The key pivotal moment in season four is when Pero goes off-chain. And he kills everybody. Everybody, pretty much, in that house. In that warehouse.
In that killing of everybody in the house, Richard is mortally wounded by one of Narcisse's men. Right. And the season ends basically with Richard imagining his reunion with his family in Wisconsin. And he dies underneath the pier at the...
Yeah, underneath the Atlantic City Boardwalk. By the way, you know all that, like many of their sets and like realistic locations were destroyed by Superstorm Sandy? Yeah. Yeah, they lost a lot of that.
They can't film at certain locations anymore because they don't need it. It's gone. Yeah. Like the boardwalks are gone.
They've been learning. All right. Season five preview. Wait, before we get there?
Anybody who is missing our take on fourth? Come back. Come back at it again. Who's...
Who's two in the start of season five? Who's two in the start of season five? Who starts this weekend? No, no, but when we do our first episode, we can kind of like...
Yeah, me. Let's go back here for a quick five minute. Yeah. Quickly.
We did a different set of... Creepy and sadist. ...whatever character of season one and two. Season three and four.
Who would you throw as your creepiest or saddest or favorite? Creepiest in our season. I would agree. Creepiest, okay?
Sadist. I would agree for me. Would he just... Because he's just like such a fucking lost soul.
He has no idea what he's doing. It's not that he's... He's just a sad sack of a human being as I think it was. He certainly is.
I actually would say Chalky. I think that Chalky... Chalky needs a lot of problems. Chalky needs a lot of problems.
So much going on. And this year, you know, his daughter's getting married. He's conflicted because she's sort of leapfrogging him in class. Her fiance.
Then he falls in love with this woman. And he really, really loved her. Truly loved her. And that obviously was a disaster.
His business is not a shambles. The situation with Nucky is in a shambles. He's had the KK onto his place. He's had a number of things that have happened to him.
He's basically been pushed out of his own club. And he's just a shallow human being by the end of season 4. Yeah, he's really gone from being a very powerful guy at this point. To being a shallow man.
Really. I think he's on the... I think Chalky is on the rise. I think Chalky owns season 5.
Well, I hope so because I'd like to see how that character works. Because I think the saddest character in season 3 and 4 is Margaret. I think she's lost. I don't think she knows how to get to where she wants to go.
Or she may not know where she wants to go. The whole Nucky thing is too dark. She can't handle it. I actually think that there's an argument to me for Jillian as well.
Yeah. She goes to the shambles. She was so bad at first two episodes. She was horrible.
But she really was taken in by this Ron Livingston character. And... And I'll just get him crashing down. She came so close to her.
She really thought for a second there that she was just going to get out of dodge. Yeah. She thought it was real. There's no magic in the ass.
I don't know if she came to our wheels. Sorry for the abrupt end of the show. For the first few episodes where we recapped season. And we did a great job putting the discussion into consumable bite sized pieces centered around each season.
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