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I'm your host castle to my right is another host The end hostess do we all be host no? You guys are minions the ends of host I'm host Minions if you're gonna call me a hostist I want to know Across from me is our good friend lurch. Hello who's not dressed like an undertaker Today have the day off and by the way, I know we promised to show every other week But because of lurch's schedule it would have been like poor timing for him every single week So we've made up the schedule so you guys get two shows in two weeks and then we're gonna go to our other week schedule And I appreciate that too. I know it's probably needs for everyone else but hey, so goes again I'd rather have you here every week than worrying about you running out the door Thank you.
Can't wait I said that out loud and recorded Come on bring it in bring it in little romance bring it in I can feel it Yeah, most awkward hugs with a retread by grab To my left is hefe and he is our group skeptic. Yeah Me such enthusiasm and excitement. Yep. That's me Anyway before we get going I did want to let everybody know if you haven't had a chance listen Kennedy's podcast bacon sale yet You guys need to go over and give it a listen It's there on the pog double website where Kenny and his other co-host they usually talk about different movies in this last week Did anyone listen to a show?
It's called bacon sale bacon sale bacon and bacon bacon and bacon bacon is on sale I am happy got you know we look at my main section I think we know that I'm happy when bacon is on sale bacon is meat candy exactly anyway in the last episode they talked about a Big question of which was the worst prequel episode one of star wars the Phantom and so two attack of the clones the entire new trilogy But I think episode one Phantom and I like three I do like three I liked two One was a steaming pantry it was the worst part for me was when I Jacob Lloyd's like let's try spinning That's any trick will save the world the putting medichlorians into something tangible did it for me because before You know the force was something intangible that you can quite put your finger on and then they made it something that you could In down and measure and I took the whole mrs Isn't out of it one thing I did like is it gave you some of the backstory which I like and I agree There's some of it was like eh, but I did like to hear some of the backstory because then when you watch we recently did a Star Wars marathon watched one to the end and when you watch the original ones you're like oh With Anakin's a Christ like birth from a virgin mother that kind of yeah, I didn't like that either No, and I'm not gonna lie I like myself like three years after I watch that movie that movie was awesome Well, it was the first time we'd seen Star Wars and after three years then every year got a little bit worse I'm gonna be awesome except for this part and then like the next year it was awesome except for this part this part Okay, I do have a beef though the young Anakin is awesome and cool and then he suddenly grows up Why any hey in christians. Oh, no, he was never awesome. No, I'm gonna Was he wasn't why any I mean he was he was obnoxious. Let's try spinning.
That's a good trick I was I saved the world I was talking about this the day to work too because if you watch the original trilogy and you watch the new trilogy They don't flow together the new trilogy is all CGI and animation. It's like watching a cartoon And so if you try to watch them in order from one to six it doesn't match up You know you got CGI computer generator Yoda and then it goes to old school puppet Yoda And it's just it doesn't match up at all. I did like though How uh wouldn't it re-release the original episodes 5 6 and 7 how they did throw the new Anakin in his Darth Vader's ghost Do you see how I segued that there? Misa awesome.
No comment Misa awesome Okay, just because you channel Jar Jar being out out. I'm the new host. That's part of the reason why I don't like the original trilogy Are the new trilogy because of Jar Jar? Well, at least he didn't make much mission in a second Anyway, let's get back on topic as far as ghost stuff goes But again really if you haven't listed Kenny's Bacon Cell podcast, it's actually pretty good He seems to be great about it.
So it's pretty quick. So go over and give it a listen if you have it He's a very good movie critic. I take a lot of what he says Forever because I hear his reviews and then watch the movie I see all the crap the trunk Ah, exactly, but I've told him that that's why Kenny's on my enemies list All right, so let's talk about ghost stuff. I gotta ask the end you sent me a text last night that talked about a boo Buddy bear what the hell is a boo buddy bear?
Come on. It's that you've seen it before it's that trigger object for ghost on teddy bear And it looks just like an actual teddy bear normal teddy bear size It's got lights in the stomach and arms and I haven't really played with one a whole lot I've just seen it occasionally I think the one that I get talks to and I don't know if I can record into it or if it has just stuff But it's used as a trip that I talked today He says a trigger object I've seen that on one of the episodes of ghost adventures when they're in the There's the Scotland that robots right you put it down at any leave and you can put a video camera on it to record it But the idea behind trigger objects is you get something that the ghost that the spirits will want to go manipulate And so the teddy bear is going to be more for children ghosts which we touched on briefly in the last podcast And we have had a few places that we investigate that have Children goes and whether or not you believe in them is here or there But I'm looking forward to taking that it should be here by the time I go to a silent 49 I was just gonna say a silent 49 and there's two what three children there? I know at least three that I'm aware of you got Jessica and Christian and Sarah I want to say you know That's actually a really important thing you brought up you know as far as whether you believe in children ghost or not One thing with paranormal investigation just in general is nobody really knows Anything or everything for sure. I mean there's certain rules that are hard and fast, but really a lot of its opinion What do you believe in children ghosts or not?
Whether you believe in portals or not? What do you believe in demons or not? It's all kind of subjective based on everybody's got a different opinion And it's kind of funny because you run across people in this field and I try really hard not to be one But you run across those people who when they start telling you stories you're just looking at them with that fixin on your face going crazy I'm actually a little tiny story that goes along with that and I was contacted by somebody to do an investigation It's upcoming we'll talk about it after we get it done a free chance process the evidence But this client asked me he goes You know he goes I had another group out here a while ago who looked into this and I got talked into one of the investigators Who came out and he was explaining to me about aliens now? He'd been abducted and forced to have sex with a machine and go goo-oo Yeah, it's one of those you're like okay, and so I try really hard to make sure that we don't come across like that Again with paranormal stuff a lot of it all comes down to opinion based on the evidence that's found so this boobare I got to ask you does it have like a emf meter built into it or what kind of sensors or what kind of trips does it have?
Okay, so I have to be honest with you. I've seen the one on TV the same Edinburgh vault episode that they're just talking about I actually went and did with one of the paranormal big wigs A fundraiser that she was doing and I did my psychometry readings. Thank you very much We'll get back into the guitar later But there was a lady that had one and I did not have time to look at it or anything I just walked my thought Ooh pretty lights I want one and so I sat down and pulled out Amazon which is the pure cure of all things tangible And it should arrive at my door at one point Amazon she should be spoke to Amazon too. You can buy anything on Amazon And that's what the end told me so I said I asked her I said really you can buy anything child brides and Maybe not for me for a friend I was wondering anyway, it took again about three seconds and she sent me a link to a book on child brides Okay, you win you win my husband my husband called me into the windows den one day.
He's like how much do you use Amazon? And then he goes you're not trouble. I'm just wondering if you should get Amazon prime would it be worth it? Yes, it would be yes I might not stuff there.
I should probably just have you buy my Amazon prime before me Last podcast we talked a little bit. Well, you also got kind of rambled by the cedar set of stuff that you did In fact after it's kind of interesting. I listen to the way you're doing it now Isn't that what a podcast is all about is just talking pretty much I say it was interesting though because I listened to the radio run and I talked about DJ Spunari's elaborate hand signals And I've made these guys make elaborate hand signals to show me what I'm rambling It looks like you're in primary class church. I've got a hand signal for you Anyway Moving on we did talk a little bit last podcast where I talk how all of us more less got involved in this Deann and I actually grew up together And we both had a lot of the same creepy experiences.
So I'm gonna hurt tell the story of what got us both involved And then we'll let lurch chip in a little bit on how he got involved in I was gonna tell you I have it involved I'm not involved. He got drafted by me Okay, so um our parents cast a line or siblings and our parents worked and Excuse me and we had a great out that would babysit us if their shift happened to coincide. So She lived in this house that was built in the late 1800s and The basement was creepy very very creepy at the time. I just thought I'm a kid It's creepy basement was interesting because downstairs in the basement of this particular house You could have everybody uh in the house down in the basement like me and Deanna be down there for instance and Our great out would be down there with this you can actually hear footsteps upstairs on the ground floor Walking around upstairs when you knew that nobody was in the house.
No one else was other than the three of you who were in the basement And that was a very common occurrence in the house on those footsteps. Yeah, and there was actually room down there that I don't think I ever would ever Was that the the creepy bedroom? No back behind the first. Oh, yes, that was Anyway, but and the upstairs was okay except for the back bedroom We called it the west bedroom and occasionally she let me have sleepovers there and my friends would never make it I mean midnight they'd be calling it a Well so fast but when I was gonna point out the interesting about that bedroom too is whenever you went to that bedroom It was always ice cold it's probably about 10 degrees lower temperature wise than anywhere else in the house Year-round yes it was and then just another note it was a room that she used as a spare bedroom And there was a walk-in closet and walk-in closet where she would store some of her clothing Um and we would go in there and play dress up because that's where she kept some of her dress up clothes And if the closet door was shut it was okay in there, but is that closet door was open?
You just felt like someone was watching well fast forward several years She's passed away and we are all at my parents house and it's some activity Thanksgiving or Christmas And we're just you know, it's after the festivities and we're just kind of sitting around reminiscing and we get talking about reoccurring dreams And I said I've had this really weird reoccurring dream. I've had it, you know, a dozen times maybe In the dream you're standing in this room looking out the door the west bedroom is that when you're talking? Yes, yes Excuse me if I have something I like you're gonna name the room the room. Well, you'll find out why so you're standing in the west bedroom You're looking out everything's bright.
It's sunny everything's clean. I mean sure I skipped your house. It was like freshly clean and You're looking towards the kitchen And there's these shapes and these shapes are probably two three inches in diameter There's just geometric shapes circles triangles. I would say maybe even four or five inches in diameter They're roughly about size of a hand.
I'm a little smaller. No, it's not anyway. Um, I'm thinking three inches And they just flipped they just kind of like snowfallen. You know, just kind of a happy snow not blizzard snow, but just No, no music though with it.
Can you do that music? Of course you know, and then you wake up from the dream And it doesn't sound like a scary dream everyone's like that I was as well But you wake up and you're just your heart is pounding and you're like oh my heck that was a scary dream ever And castle looks at me and he says I have had that exact same dream And I actually had had that exact exact same dream two or three times in the house Uh, and it was interesting because she told that story there's several other family members who have been in the house Not in the house who expressed they also had that exact same dream Um, right crist at the time. She was old. She was in her 80s.
Um, and you know, a few years later. She passed away Um And so she passed away Family sold the house and uh, you know three four years down the ruttingman high school I'm on a school trip and it's one of those trips that are a little further away So you're in the back of the bus telling stories and you know, hanging out with your friends And we were in the back of the bus telling ghost stories. Um And as I told this story about this weird recurring dream that everybody who was in this house had Uh, and this girl goes I've had that dream, you know, I'm starting to interrupt I've had a recurring dream as well, but involves three Victoria's secret models of air skin, really advice in the nine hour I've had that dream. Yeah, I just had a throw that in go ahead.
You see I was on board. They said buck advice in nine hour And I'm just scared. I don't even want to ask Anyway, but this gal she uh She had the same dream Uh, that we're talking about and I actually knew ahead of time that this gal was living in this house Her family had bought it. Um, and so she's looking the same house, but she'd also have the same recurring But she just turned ghost white I mean, it's obviously she'd had the dream as well, but it was really interesting to again You're in this room and it's you know, right daylight.
There's just these weird geometric shapes circles triangles squares just floating through the room Um, you know, they're flat and they're just different colors and there's really nothing threatening in the dream itself But when you wake up, uh, is the answer your parts pound and it's just for whatever reason terrifying Um, I thought that was interesting that somebody who had moved into the house who had no idea what was going on We'd have that exact same dream Anyway, that's how dianna and I kind of got involved is with the experiences we had in that house Um, I also in grade school and I think the end is well attended petite school in pacing Uh, and for those who are not familiar with petite it's a great humongous sandstone edifice. It looks like a castle Yeah, that was built, uh, around the turn of the century 1902 1902. Thank you. Good.
I was gonna say 1800 So I'm glad you're on the baller. Um, and one of our kids we used to To spook each other out that was haunted by the ghost of chief petite neat Well, the the custodian to keep the kids out of the crawlspace underneath where the furnace and stuff where it would tell us that The ghost was down there. What did you do? We're going that crawlspace?
Yes, I did For those who are from their petite school and I'm sure out of our three listeners probably none of them have been in petite school You think it's that many that any listeners? I'm an optimist. Okay But uh, the crawlspace of that building is terrifying. I think even as adult I be terrified Well, they during halloween they'd have some calories in there Yeah, they have a calving carnivals and they'd have set up a little haunted house Slash spook alley down there.
I mean, it's just dark and it's Scary and grimy and to be honest with you. I'd love to get in there as an adult An investigate I've talked to chunk a little bit about seeing if we can get in there The problem is is that the folks who manage it aren't real open to the thought of an investigation But I don't know that they know what investigation entails. I don't think a lot of folks know what investigation entails We'll talk about that a little bit later on. So now that we've talked about how we've gotten involved in this Lurch, why you tell us a little bit about how you got involved and what peak your interest I wish I had as a fascinating story as you guys For everyone that's listening.
I know that we mentioned that I'm a funeral director I've been doing it for about us seven or eight years now, but It's not a more becure-y obviously at all. It's just coincidental. That's what my profession happens to be But I remember a few years ago, you know, I've always been interested in the paranormal listening to our watching tv shows about Ghost hunting and about UFOs and Bigfoot and things like that But I remember one day coming home from work and flipping on the tv and I think it was Ghost Adventures That was on and it really kind of drew me in about how people could use scientific equipment to measure Paranormal phenomenon and you know, they had this whole array of different equipment that they've used to get EVPs, electronic voice phenomenon to get a video and audio and just little things like that and I was really kind of fascinated by that and I don't know how I struck up the conversation with UDN But I remember talking to you one day and I asked you about something and we got into a long conversation on the phone about paranormal investigation and you invited me to join the family, the group on investigation of 749 and Tuilla Exactly, the first time I met you. Yeah, that was no I met you before during some of the piping events.
Exactly. Yeah, but I don't think we have really talked Right, it was just oh, that's that's that's that's that's large. That's the answer brother castle I kind of felt the same way too, you know, but uh, yeah, it was a lot of fun It definitely had me hooked from the beginning. I'm gonna say I think about 10 minutes in 10 investigations when you got that audible exactly Ghost voice and that was measured.
Yeah, that was like getting a 20 pound fish on the end of your fishing line You know, it's like that's reel it in cast it back out You know, I'm ready for for another big big fish You know, that's the thing about investigations because my very first investigation I went on was super super active. I was seeing visible orbs, you know how to door push into somebody And so that's always fun when you go any first investigation. It's a really good activity. Yeah That that was a really good audible voice that I was able to hear.
I think the rest of the night I didn't really get anything but that was that was definitely what it took to to draw me in and get me hooked to it I guess I could say didn't we play that particular audio file last time? I don't believe we did I think we talked about it. You know what? Let's play that real quick for the idea so they can hear what it is So I think we talked about that on the last episode, but we didn't play that particular dvp But that was the first one that I got when we were at assignment 49 I heard that audibly and just listening to it right now It still gives me chills because I remember sitting at that table and hearing it about 10 feet to my right And looking over at the doorway and not seeing anything and thinking you know that had to be because we split into two groups That had to be the other group that there was no one there that young and the thing about it is everybody heard it Yeah, we all heard it and I was in the other group and we're actually way on the other side of the hospital So it wasn't as it was interesting for me because you guys contacted me about it And I had two or three people in your group all send me that same audio file With the exact same audio on it and you don't hear it in the ep because I cut it out But you hear on the group going to do you hear that?
Yeah, I think it's a little kid I remember saying you know that that had to be part of the other group and someone else concurred with that and then Deans said no, I'm a mother. I've got kids. That was a little kid Well, keep in mind when I do investigations that I open up to people outside our group And the asylum 49 investigation that we usually do over years open to family and friends But I do limit that I don't want anybody there under the age 18 because I just don't want the issues that come with You know, so I want everyone there to be an adult base exactly and so that's obviously kids voice And not an adult voice. I've got to say I'm really excited to go back there again Yeah, me too.
I've been for probably a year, but every time I've gone there it's been really good except for one investigation I'll talk a little bit later if I talk about communications. All right, so that leaves one of us If I had you get involved in us, I know she mentioned that we de-boardst That you got in this? No, it's not how I got in this I was blackmailed to get into this actually Castle and I are very good friends And so he's little do I know he just uses me for my stuff. I'm actually known half a since he was like seven years old Yeah, well, yeah seven eight nine.
I don't know right about seven years old. Yeah, he's a really lad And he's partially right. I knew he had recording studio. Yeah, but he did so I suddenly became a better friend Yeah, a few weeks prior to this as I said, he uses me for my stuff All right, at least it's happening open Yeah, but I use him for other stuff is it because you have a 20-sided eye is it making a comfortable that we keep you in order to stuff?
Yeah So seriously, how did you get involved in paranormal other than me drafting you and telling you that you're helping us? I don't really believe in the paranormal to the no no no no no no normal normal Little tongue twister there so then what's the weebard story about that you mentioned because you mentioned a weebard there was Yeah, that was that was when I decided that it's all full of BS. Well, tell us the story Actually, it was pretty cool when I was a kid, but then I grew up and I said BS because I've seen it happen But basically what happened my my cousin Justin. I can say his name, right?
Don't sue me Justin We don't see Justin is my cousin Justin had a weebard at his house and One day we said what's that about you said come in the closet. We all went to closet together Yeah, go ahead make your jokes part of that you gotta come out of it. We all came out together Anyway, whoa, he said come in the closet. I'll show you the weebard.
So took a turn for the surreal Anyway, so we went in the closet and he pulled out the weebard and they moved around Like it does he pulled it out and moved around. Yep 13-13 and it and I don't know he said something about and maybe you guys I don't know it's hard for me to bring this up because I know you guys don't so let me get out So let me get this straight here cousin took in the closet hold it out it moved around and now you're comfortable talking about it Story or not what was the story really about that's no one to know She's are you blocking is we do board like a keyword? You can think that's what I'm looking for that like a euphemism. She'll be his weebard No Nope, it's not funny.
You guys think it might be it's not Story or go ahead you make a sexual jokes. Yes, cuz I can turn the word both we do board into penis and I say that on here Let's do that so anyway, we went to the closet case here and I said hey, what's up penis about? He said everyone has to put their hands on it Wow You asked for it Anyway, okay, so back to the Ouija board so we all put our we put our hands on the Planchette What is the pointy thingy call a plan jet a plan shit? You know that sounds too close to penis doesn't it?
We need to get our heads out the guy right now. Okay, so I blame you all we put my put our hands on the plan Shet did I say that right? Yes the plan shet sounds French it is cool. Speak French now Anyway, and I moved around and he says we got to make sure that we don't have a evil spirit here I wish that we need the face on that.
It was a good one, huh? Yeah, and and so he says let's let's ask the spirit if they know how old the person is and if they don't then it's an evil spirit I don't know the logic behind that, but that's what he said. Yeah, I'm thinking he doesn't know either way He says hold his jeff and I was eight eight at the time I can't remember eight I think and I went to eight and he's like whoa see cool anyway So we asked it a couple questions and then right at the last second It stopped and the door to his bedroom slammed boom and was like whoa that was intense and we came out It's scary and then we sat there watching TV and while we watched TV the door open I'm gonna make sound effects even though it didn't and we'd stare at it and then we closed And they would open here and it did this for like probably 30 seconds straight just open in a closet and then all of a sudden my cousin Tyler came in scared this like shit out of us. I think shit, right?
Yeah, we're not moderate anyway But as I've grown older I mean my kids bedrooms doing that the other day I know it's not a ghost because it's the wind as soon as I shut the window on the one side If you have two windows open like that It'll push air one way and push air another way and my kids bedroom is doing that the other day And I went in and I shut the living room window and it stopped and so it's like no I know that's the wind it's not a ghost my suspicion I was eight years old I didn't have a chance to close his window or even see if the windows open my suspicion is it was probably Just the wind opening closing the door. That was your cousin Tyler I don't know that's a possibility to you. Did he come afterwards? He came so he came in last so it sat there the door sat there open and close and open and close and then my cousin Tyler Came in but he acted like he didn't know what was going on like we started screaming like little schoolgirls Straight that for us But it's an instant gratification he didn't he didn't look like he knew and you know like anything was going on So I don't think he did I guess there's a possibility that he was playing a joke on us But I don't think so you know that's interesting thing about paranormal investigation is things happen on investigations all the time You know doors Opening closing sounds and it's important and one of the things that we try and do as investigators Is first thing we do is we see that door opening and closing is to go see You're gonna get you bunk it figure out if it is a window or something along those lines because maybe it is Maybe this maybe you can look into it to be honest with you There's things that happen that we're like who did you see that and you can look into it?
I don't think so I live in a house that was built in the late 1800s and the door to the upstairs would occasionally Oh, just open on its own and all houses do that right and even then I mean I had some other things that happened that made me think That's what's haunted anyway, and but when the door opened, you know, I want to be a real investigator I don't want to say you know and so my first thought was okay You know it could be a ghost but it's a small house It's gonna spin open and so I didn't really think a lot about it but inside on the door opens There's a cook for cooks and my husband at the time my ex has been now They put a code up there and every morning he'd take it down and put it on to go to work And it would be zip-dump if you can't go not mad But you know the end don't zip my code up I Need to add just a quick disclaimer to that we do not condone the use of Ouija boards as a paranormal investigators That's one of the things we've definitely got out of the family No, it's just a patient no just to just put that out there for anyone that might be listening that and that is one of the things that we do not Do we don't hold sances? We don't play with Ouija boards because you're essentially inviting things in that you don't know whether they're good or bad We want to investigate what's there and deal with it if we need to we don't want to bring it because we know we can bring things in We know no sacrificing of chickens No, it is always nice that we swan virgin on investigation. Just in case you need to sacrifice one. No, uh, no black handles That's why we're not heavy.
Yeah, I'm not a virgin me and your mom got you own. Oh, yeah Anyway, so bad we need to add like the little drums Before we venture off too far on that though Lurch does bring up a good point. I did want to touch on that You know that when we do investigate we do use scientific instruments We try and debunk we come at it from a very scientific approach And to be honest with you in my experience I think it's been experience of everybody in this room who's been on an investigation We'll give him a pointed look we've been to asylum with us next month That's what you wish that's wish it's those who do the seances and do the Ouija boards and the crystal balls and kind of the Proof-fruit stuff kind of call for first up. I'm sure people Yes, because I have crystal ball straight away That's that's the kind of stuff that really gives this field or this kind of investigation kind of a black eye because how do you know Go through my crystal ball poopy so you know, and that's when people look at you know cock and eyebrow go Okay, for loop my Ouija board told me that there is a four-year-old girl that's my apartment Yeah, and you know the only thing we do that is maybe even questionable by anyone's standards We do use a couple mediums, but again We've been at them through various tests and known factors and things of that nature And they've proven to us with an reasonable amount that they can do what they claim They do and so we take what they tell us and you still have to Layer that against what you know and let you get through the instrumentation So I want to cover that real quick work so what are like some of the things we talk about when we go on a public hunt?
What are some of the things that we do? No, just so we put it out there. I don't use we don't use Ouija boards. We don't hold seances, but we do There's a few things and you know, it's probably good time to talk about public hunts Anybody who's ever been on a public hunt and other pod goblins have done some we've done one ourselves You know, there's other groups who do them and to be honest with you I think a lot of people get kind of scared away from public hunts because I know the first time I went to public hunt I was really concerned that I thought you know I'm gonna be dropping through some building with 50 people It's gonna be a complete waste of time and to be honest with you some of the best evidence We've gotten has been on some of these public investigations and some of the neatest things I've seen have been on some of these public investigations And so you can still get really good evidence So for those who are interested in going in on an investigation or looking to investigate it's probably your best place to start But there's a few things that we generally tell people on these public investigations that they need to do and there's some definite no-no's And we've compiled a list of rules.
It's on our website But let's go over to a few of those. I've got a sheet right here. So First thing I recommend people is dress appropriately. So no death metal t-shirts.
No no slayer concert shirts with with kittens being sacrificed not only just a test of someone's poor judgment to not necessarily appropriate just poor judgment No, but dress appropriately. I mean, you know if you're going to the Fort Douglas Museum Let's say I know we've done a couple investigations are at the pot goblems. You can probably dress however you want Has anybody here besides me been to the fear factory? I'm saying a lot of negative head shakes is like the pizza factory.
It's actually it's an old concrete factory and when you get in there The pizza factory with a dish out fear instead kind of if you it's the piece factors old gross and abandoned Anyway, the fear factory for those who ever been it's an old concrete plant and it's a rundown and they've turned it to a haunted house But I mean, it's dirty filthy. There's sacks of stuff and junk and garbage everywhere And so that's the kind of place you want to dress probably Levi's and comfortable shoes and t-shirt It's a haunted attraction, but it is an actual haunted attraction It is and I've actually got some very good EVPs out of there and as we get to some investigations and later podcast I'll probably play those EVPs. I don't want to play like all my EVs over the course of two podcasts So I'm gonna spread them out a little bit And I've heard this there's some very dark stuff. There are some very dark stuff.
I know Chunga There's a few silos there once called the health silo and Chunga has got some frightening evidence there I actually have investigated that silo with Chunga using the ghost box and got some profanity or the ghost box I think Ben Hanson was in that one too. Yeah, Ben Hanson was there on that one When I was on that investigation with them and yeah, there's some really dark stuff at the fear factory But let's say the fear factory with it being an old scene of factory to come and wear heels and you know an evening Gress would not be appropriate. So you get look at where you're going and figure out what to address I mean if you're in somebody's private home, and it's a maintained well kept home. You can wear six inch heels Yes, you can because I've done that.
That's why I said and I have to choose to prove it But the fear factory if you were those you would probably die and become one of the ghosts at the fear factory as you tripped and broke your neck on We went and did the science building up in Salt Lake and that's another one that I would I mean I know they're gonna turn that down at some point if it's not down right now But if you go to that one I wouldn't wear open-toed shoes or touch anything Yeah, I mean it's an indoor building, but it's kind of run down It's a kind of place where you need to want to dress more comfortably more I kind of make a point when I go on these investigations I usually wear some comfortable boots because they give me a little bit better ankle support stuff on one around the dark and I trip on Something I'm not gonna spray or trust my ankle. Yeah, I like cargo pants too I usually wear cargo pants I can carry my equipment and then usually pull up our teeth Oh, I have a I have a lower craft Tomb Raider. Oh my goodness. Oh, patching that I bought is awesome I've seen it actually kind of is awesome.
Oh, huh? Are you gonna buy one castle? Only if I can get it with as well Are you hanging about over there? I don't know I was looking at something and something distracting me.
Oh anyway, so dress appropriately That's what I generally like to wear when I go on investigation, but it just depends on the venue Speaking of your quite homo over there the other thing we generally tell people on investigations don't whisper We've played a lot of evps. I know the Roman shows played a lot of evps the morning show back when I was on the air played A lot of evps and when you're on an investigation and you're listening to your audio and you hear somebody say is there anyone here who wants to talk to us? And you hear the background When you're listening back to your audio that would actually be a real ghost. I believe that one You're arguing here quiet Then you go oh I gotta go and then you realize it's just farted.
Yeah, it's fart Probably not so you know Did you ever see a ghosty they've never said that they have so I tell you I know they use energy But I don't think they eat because they're not physical beings. So maybe they eat ghostly food orbs or beows So don't whisper that's one of the rules that we generally tell people our investigations if you and I know I use the example fart And I know this episode is gone away. Oh not to it. Oh not to it.
Yeah, I'll not to it Don't be embarrassed. I mean body functions happen on investigation It's kind of funny because the last investigation We did was at the Fort Douglas Museum and I had Phil messes and Becky who does a lot of social media for the podcast Was in the group with me and I don't know it Phil had had to eat but he was having some intestinal distress I sorry but uh I listen to the audio and you hear like three or four times in the course five minutes That was my stomach. That was my stomach. That's what's called tagging and that's called tagging and then here Phil say I'll be back.
I'll use a bathroom. Yeah, and then I got locked in hello. Hey, I'm helping hello We had to go rescue Phil from the bathroom anyway So make sure if you have something going on don't whisper And tag your evidence and tagging evidence would be that so along with the tagging if you're wondering through the dark And a lot of times with the ghost investigations you are wondering through the dark and you kick a rain gutter or some other something That's on the ground like say your microphone Just say it so that everybody who's recording the audio knows what it is because if you're listening You're out doing here clang and you hear lurch say that was me Take the rain gutter. I can move on to my audio Don't go back and listen to it three or four times and try figure out what that clanging was One thing too that I would recommend to anybody who's interested in going on public ghost investigation is bring some gear You don't have to and all honesty we bring I have way more gear than can ever possible use at any one given time I know a lot of the investigators we have also have a ton of gear You don't have a bear I was gonna say I know that the end spot a buddy Boo Bear The best best thing to do though is bring a digital camera bring a smartphone that has record on it That's pretty much all you'll really need if you're doing first time the best I need a lot.
Yeah, drop $100 in reality and as far as I say bring gear You don't have to spend really lot of money your smartphones nowadays can do most of what you need exactly you can take photos on it You know, it's got a digital photo digital camera And you can get all your recordings off of it play back listen for you P's in fact some of the very first EDP's ever got Investigating were on a smartphone That's all I had with me at the time and so I turned it on and I lo and behold I got some EVP's right and along with with gear If you have a flashlight Yeah, that's such a light. You know either the little one of the big ones that's a good one too And we can get into that and they have to be the twist on ones all right Yeah, exactly the twisty ones, but those tents, you know if you've ever watched them on TV, you know You just see evidence after evidence after evidence when you go when you're actually there, you know, obviously that's edited out That's that's several hours of nothing But even while you're waiting for something to happen in the several hours of nothing on the public hunts You know where I'm assigned a group I tell people you know, we're gonna get a lot of nothing But while you're getting a lot of nothing you know take pictures Because you never know what you're gonna get just you know I will have a camera around my neck on a On a lanyard, thank you and you know while we're waiting for something to happen or while we're kind of taking a break trying to recharge for our next Broughe of evidence finding I'll just snap snap snap and I know that that uh that castles use the analogy of it's like fishing You know one day you can throw in your line and just keep pulling fish after fish after fish all day And then the next time you go there you could be in the same spot same conditions and you cast your line and get nothing Not even nibble and one thing with pictures is don't just take one take two or three of the same shot because you might Get something that you wouldn't notice you know you say oh look the first picture in the third picture Don't have it in there but look it's in the second picture So don't just take one take two or three of the same the same shot in fact with you mentioning that and I'm gonna go sideways here for just a fraction of a second But I post it here I posted something on the wisps Facebook page Was that investigative society for paranormal studies look for the Facebook page But ABC News had a story about a father who'd taken a picture And if you look behind his daughter in the picture you actually see what looks like some boots then and they say work They're where the picture was taken but is down a saying take two or three pictures because that gives you comparison So if you see some funky in one picture you can look at the second picture taken at the exact same thing and if it's generally a Picture is not identical You'll be a little bit one way or another and sometimes that'll help you debunk it or it will help confirm that there's something funky in the picture That wasn't there But really you don't need to go out and buy any fancy gear to investigate But it's a lot you'll have a lot more fun if you bring something and a lot of public investigation Sometimes you can kind of branch out and go off on your own and it's fun Or if you have something to actually quantify evidence and again You can go out on investigation and you can see orbs and shadow people and apparitions and hear things and have door slam You go out on investigation and sit in the dark with a bunch of grown-ass adults talking yourself and have Nothing happen on my phone nothing nothing. I had one investigation We did up in West Jordan. We spent two hours.
We got a little bit of flashlight activity But nothing that was really seem to have any intelligence I listened to the audio two or three hours of audio no eVPs literally the last 30 seconds before I shut off the recorder and the investigation I got a really loud help me eVP But prior to that there's nothing one investigator saw a really bright orb in a bedroom another night the investigation was just really dead boring Get out get out. Okay. It's what I do one thing to do to an investigation and speaking of fear factory And public investigations to be considerate. There was a one has a fear factory investigation the one that chengo was that with me and Ben Hanson There's a paranormal group out of Colorado that had come down about tickets to attend this event I'll refer to this group as douchebag paranormal.
That's not their actual name But that should be it should have been to have any openings on their team. I can give them a call Anyway, this particular group from Colorado It's funny because as you listen to him talk They're like all their investigations were outdoors and the more they talked in the market to know I understood all their investigations outdoors It's because anybody who they actually met and talked to in real life would never let them inside a building that they owned on a dare The best way to describe these guys are the kind of guys who sit around at home all day watching daytime TV and too many ghost programs But we're on this investigation and I was with a good friend of mine from another group His name's Fred and Fred actually ended up taking this group aside and trying to keep them away from the general public because they were So obnoxious and they would do things like you break out like a k2 meter and they'd be like oh the k2 Huh Lars is the k3 meter and tell you how awesome their k3 meter wasn't there's no such thing for anybody who knows ghost equipment Or oh you got a ghost box. How many channels per station is that? You know or tell me channels per second you know it's scanning our does three times as many well Yeah, it's like we get it ten stations a second.
Oh, we scan it eleven stations per second Which we found to be way better it scans backwards instead of four words, which is yeah And so anything that you did or any equipment you had they had a piece of equipment a slightly better or something slightly better sounds like you're just jealous Anyway, but through this whole investigation And keep in mind there's paying ticket holders there who paid to be on this investigation These guys are just ripping apart the equipment that everybody else is using because there's way better Even though they've never been inside a building because no one will investigate sir douchebags anyway, and they were just loud They were having a good time and they're doing a UDP sessions. Did you like whiskey? We should kick one back? Which is really great to be loud when you're trying to investigate yeah, I mean They're just being loud and joking around it just means smart asses and one of the couples that was with me You could tell they were really frustrated and just they were not happy They ended up leaving about halfway through the investigation because these guys are just such jerks So if you go into public investigation, please please please be considered of other investigators I mean if you show up if you're not having fun, you know Let your hosts know if you show up and you're just screwing around just leave and I'm gonna see a movie kind of on the same No, the last public investigation I did we were there was a group of people and we had some flashlights out and we were actually getting really good flashlight answers The spirit that we were talking to you know giving intelligent answers to intelligent questions and we were Excuse me asking questions and getting some good information and when you get that kind of you know intelligent answer on the flashlights You can start asking a lot of questions and finding out a lot about the spirit using these yes and no questions and This girl came in and she wasn't really obnoxious for say she wasn't really loud But she just kind of she interrupted our conversation You know she jumped in and we had I can't remember the name that we had determined this guy was Harold or something, but she just she kind of walked in the room and literally interrupted and you know Is this David hi David?
You remember me and me and you know the other five people in the room were just looking at her like Excuse us So you don't even have to be obnoxious for say you know if you if you're in an investigation or you able to walk around and you walk into another group If you want to join in join in but don't interrupt don't jump in You know do like you wait in a regular conversation and she left shortly after and I think even the spirit We were talking to us like what it just e-rails everything and gets over and off track so one thing too That is important to do on investigations to be careful There's a lot of different types of entities out there and we'll talk about them in future podcasts I think we touched on a little bit in the last podcast you've got human entities you've got negative in humanities And there's various types and levels and again That's for a different conversation on a different day. Everyone's gonna be doing the primary signals as they've mentioned that anyway Do as I'm doing sorry. Sorry anyway Some of these entities especially the inhuman entities work off invitations Human entities really aren't that dangerous. They're just they can be obnoxious if they follow you home, which they can do But it's the inhuman ones you have to worry about because they can be dangerous to put it bluntly I know Chung has talked about one that followed him home to him and Spunari had to deal with for a year to be for They ended up getting rid of it, but they work off invitation so they really can't harm you unless you open up the invitation I've been on a few investigations one was a public investigation and Ben Hanson's brother was downstairs really a gun on this negative entity Just egging it on you walk in the building the energy in that building was just off the charts I remember that just dark and negative and icky I mean you just walk in the building was like getting punched in the face the dark negative energy was so bad in that building and One kid on this investigation and if you're listening kid I hope I don't make you feel that hurt your feelings, but I'm not gonna mention my name because I don't know it but At one point he goes you want to fight you can fight me and me and there was a collective gasp Yeah, and because that you want to you can fight me as an invitation that saying hey come get me Yeah, and so on my audio recording so I can hear me going ah So say that ah take it back take it back Because that's an invitation and at that point when you say hey come do it they actually can do it And so you gotta be careful what you say and how you say it um We were on a private investigation up in Draper and same thing One of the guys in our one of the residents there goes You want to throw down and hear mean two or three other people in the investigation go ah no no no no no no You want to do that fortunately we actually kind of eat where you hear the spirit say no and it's about that loud But again, you gotta be real careful the fact what guys I hear that if you're really quick.
Yeah And in that eepy you can hear I edited out so you can't hear him challenging it But you hear me saying whatever you do don't challenge him set up and invite and you can hear that no Which is an eepy in the middle me explaining that but just be careful when you're on public investigation I mean the host that are there the people have arranged it they wouldn't be selling tickets or inviting you in if it was Dangerous and as a general rule it's not as long as you're not being stupid and if you've been stupid invited something I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, but just don't be stupid The challenge something like that to fight you're just asking for trouble basically quite literally asking for trouble And along with that Spirit's are just like people well spirits are people there's the people which was hard which works feels it work. Yes, anyway It's not a common for spirit to actually follow somebody either round it in an investigation or home I know Dan's had some experiences with things following her home. Yeah, I mentioned that on the the last episode to just working at a funeral home I've had spirits following me home and they were not malevolent. They were just nice people They just thought I was a nice guy for some reason and well even a one point of a four-door I was on that really dark investigation.
We did you had a malevolent one that was following the venue I did until the other night when we send a packing yeah, and I you know I haven't had an experience like that before or since but that particular night I remember that and I kind of felt a tinge of fear and I needed to just following you around and it's very unsettling and I felt very off well and even even human spirits that I mean the one that followed me home from Massachusetts. I could feel her standing by the bed glaring at me I was in the bathtub and I could see her shadow on the outside of the shower curtain You know kind of not pacing but going back and forth and I finally had to pull the shower curtain aside So it will prime see here and then she finally stopped pacing in front of the curtain And even that was just a little off-putting because it's kind of weird having things stare at you when you can't see it back And one thing that we try and mention to the public on these publications I make it a big point to do it just because I know how easy it is for it to happen But as I hate his words cleanse because it just has so many meanings and connotations But it's basically then the night to cleanse just get religious if you don't have a religion if you do have a religion Yeah, step up and I don't care what religion you have faith is important regardless And if you're not religious I always ask if there's any atheist and it's not that we don't love atheists We love everybody there's usually one or two in a group But you just say look you know at the end of the night you need to get your car say you can't come home with me Calling whatever higher power you believe in no say a prayer Ask a follow you home and that's usually enough to keep you from having something follow you home I know for instance in Dan's case with a scary witch lady from say the mass of truth It's and with your job It's not always so on your mind when you go home from work to say a prayer say please most of no dead people spirits Follow me home, right? I mean I was on vacation and we were just hey We're in Boston. Let's go check out Salem cool.
Yeah, and for me It's just like okay, I'm done with the day can go home get my car You don't even think about things like that. Yeah, and we by the way as I tell you that I've done this don't do this yourselves It's not a good idea don't investigate your own homes I know every time I'm investigating my own home is just because I know what I'm doing and because of some activity We had going on there, but I know there was I know there's a few spirits in my home and a couple of them of all my wife home Work and she works in hospital and so it just happens I mentioned at last podcast most places are haunted most ghosts you absolutely nothing They just sit in your closet or your bathroom or your corner and just do nothing They just exist I know the chunk is said the same thing before you do not investigate your own home because you will generally not be happy with the A lot of people be creeped out when they figure out the wrist exactly and if you do it wrong going back to the wed boards and The sounds and stuff you do it wrong you're gonna invite dark stuff in which is gonna open a whole can of worms Create a lot of problems might be just put off and have a hard time sleeping knowing that there's maybe an entity or two there Watching over you and I was really hasn't even when I investigated my own home And we did under very controlled circumstances We did it you know as a group, but I was well hasn't even as we begin because it's again Do I want to know what's there? I know heffa I've offered to miss the heffa's house And he's been unequivocal in the fact that he doesn't want to see he doesn't care if we invest yet He just doesn't want to know anything that's here if we do so we don't believe that I do I do not believe anything here Exactly I don't want that stuff getting out into my kids ears or having it slipped and that's enough They don't they don't need to hear that and I doesn't bother me because I don't believe it I don't think that there's any ghosts or demons or anything like that my house I just know and that's important too because you don't want to freak your kids out You know my kids have no idea that there's anything in my home I imagine other than your older children be and kids probably don't know all my kids know except for the one No, well your baby mom and I and because I like to look at my bed But just mean my wife and not all my whole family I just figure that the two spirits that are in my home are very benign. They do very little I mean the only thing that every once in a while all I'll hear the man say something The female that's in the house is actually a child and she locked my daughter in her bedroom when the scary witch goes to her So even even children ghosts have the stranger danger moments Sometimes I can feel her crawl on the bed, you know Just like a child climbing on the bed, but really they hardly do anything I say and there's been a mild activity in my own home I'll talk about it in a future podcast.
I want to talk about how I don't know if your house is haunted You know, I've heard things and seen things in my house But again, I've not it's all benign and so infrequent that it's like I'm not gonna worry about it And where I was going to that sorry as I was saying that I thought I was going with this But I thought you know if something does happen I don't want my kids to be freaked out and so I've been pretty open with them and saying hey This is what's here. They're not gonna hurt you. They've been here your whole life. You haven't been freaked out not knowing they're here So why are you gonna be freaked out knowing that they are here?
And they did tell us that they like to be acknowledged and so I tell them say you know say so oftentimes and I haven't this week Because I've been so busy with some remodeling that we're doing but I was trying to make a point of you know Hey, I'm at pay able you know and understand where things like am able have you seen this? You know if you've seen the mouth of the mr. Potato head because you like make it wiggle or something And then I say you don't have to but it'd be awesome You know because I don't want to make things like they're performing like easy there But so basically I'm wondering if the house by yourself talking to herself asking an atom objects to move Yeah Okay next on the list and we talked about cleansing I'm gonna come back on that here just for a second after we get up the next point be patient I Know we touched on a little bit Ghost honey can be a lot like fishing so if you come on a public hunt I've been on public hunts which have just been for lack of better term batshit crazy with activity I know they've talked about some of them in the radio Ronan podcast when Brad DPR medium had something happen to her She went on and off through the sprinkler system. That was pretty freaky That's happened to her more than once.
Yeah, I've seen her move and ways that human beings don't move on their own and it was yeah She was getting attacked. We should probably mention that and that's some negative places But we've all seen apparitions. We've all experienced you know being touched we've experienced sounds You're gonna experience these other investigations But you can go on investigations and sometimes you may get just a tiny bit of flash activity Sometimes you may get a few noises you just never know but you gotta be patient I know and I keep touching the four Douglas investigation people who are listening to this or anything That's the only place we've ever investigated we've only done it once based on this podcast alone We've been there twice more than twice I've been there about three times I think yeah But anyway, there was one lady there and she's probably not listening to this because Anyway, I'm just gonna refer to as the horrible lady and if you're listening to this horrible lady I heard you're feeling I'm sorry, but you're a bad person Can I say that? She doesn't know who you're talking about.
Anyway at the end of the night, you know, we're all kind of gathered together and I just made the comments Did you everybody have fun? Everybody get their money's worth and I remember that and this lady in the corner Just kind of having her arms swollen this glare on her face and goes bad. I didn't see anything I still don't believe I said you know I said that's fine. That's understandable happens I said really to get the full experience you need to come on to her three days and after two or three You're gonna have seen something or experience something and it was the end of the night We were all in a group There's about 40 of us and we're all together in the room together And she kind of made a scene yeah and was really loud and stomped out and we all just kind of pause there for a second Look at each other like that really happened yeah Well and I asked I said oh I told her I said come on two or three more because if you come on two or three You will have experienced something or enough to kind of convince you or at least turn that skip this is in clock Okay, that's all a good.
Yeah, it's all a good thing comfortably for a minute. Oh I know the middle fingers Anyway, but she looks me goes do I look like I have stupid stamped on my forehead spend 40 more bucks I can't remember how much investigation was yeah, I have look like I'm stupid Yeah, and because most everyone there had spent 40 bucks or whatever to go on that and everybody I think for the most part How did it I've never been on a vestigation? I'm not had a good time even if there hasn't been a lot of activity I've always had a good time and especially the public investigations I know Chunga goes out his way to make sure everybody has a good time We've only done the one at the family tree and we'll talk about that a different day that was a frightening investigation in itself Oh, that was the first and second one wasn't this frightening that was a public investigation anyway But this lady made this huge scene in front like 40 people and she's walking out I said make sure you cleanse, you know say a prayer or something your way I bet it's gonna be a Mormon prayer doesn't it? Oh easy there.
I don't care what the nomination you belong to I don't care what religion you belong to even Though we live in Salt Lake City. There are other religions. Yeah, just more And you know she's out of my eyes terrible pretty say just say something so doesn't follow you home But the whole room was kind of stunned and looking at her she walked out Just be patient on an investigation It's you're not gonna walk in and see Casper breakdancing in the middle of the room That's not what an investigation is and just have fun It's important they just have to have fun and I've had some people kind of lament a little bit over ticket prices And whatnot and I just want to explain really quick about ticket prices because I know some people like oh, it's kind of expensive You got to understand with an investigation and always some involvement is free I know the pog goblins make a tiny profit It's not very much and that's to help keep the show go and tell fun the show But a lot of times the vast cost of ticket prices for these things are cost access the venue You know for Douglas Museum they rely off of some money from the legislature to operate in donations And you know so for instance they charge that fee so the curator can be there to watch over it So you're paying his wage and that money also goes back to fund the museum If you want a fear factory, you know the owner of the fear factory for instance that guys I'm sure has a mortgage on the property and that's kind of how he was paid a mortgage And so when you see the ticket prices for these investigations The hosts are not taking you to task, you know trying to get hold your wall grab you buy your feet and shake your side down Tell them money falls out. It's covered the flight expense.
It's covered the flight expense I know a pog goblins have been looking at another public hunt put together. I've talked to chunga. I know they're looking at some venues As we get going if there's a big break between those investigations Wisps may do one we've only done one to be honest with you The stress again to put together and worried about getting the public there and everything kind of wasn't worth it for us I think you lost a little bit of your hair your hairline received a little bit more Yeah, I think I think I have any brown ones left after getting that investigation put together I think it was stressful for you if you let me do it That would be probably probably probably not a bad idea. I'm gonna make you do the stressful stuff from here on out I don't think that stuff stressful those of you that can't see and I know you can't see through the radio But Castle is actually bald so and well and as we're putting that investigation together the Wisps public investigation I did deal with this horrible woman, which is a story for another day But there's a horrible woman who thought that we were in it just for the money that were out for money because we were advertising on the Facebook page And we were charging thirty dollars for it So there's there's a thread a little bit of a flame going on with the threat and I would point out that the vast majority of all that ticket money I think all together Wisps itself pocketed a hundred dollars Which was like nothing and all the money went towards the venue which goes back to what we were talking about But anyway keep your eyes open for public investigations.
There should be something around the corner They should be fun And as we get closer that if we get one scheduled for say May or June we may kind of touch on some of these investigative rules again for those who are gonna come so that you're kind of pre-prepared Going in I don't even know pre-prepared actually word. I'm gonna just make that up anyway. We're running a little bit long We're gonna call it a night We appreciate you guys listening all three you guys were left. Thank you if you guys can each telephone that'll give us six people who listen next week double our audience Exactly.
Anyway, thank you everybody. Have a good night. See ya. Good night You're listening to the Wisps wasatch investigative studies for paranormal science They're grown ass adults that like to sit in the dark and talk to each other, but they all love their moms So that should account for something