Putins win-win-situation: – That could lead to Europe's collapse. Guest: Anton Kudinov

Anton Kudinov is an Ukranian journalist, who works as a «fixer» for foreign journalists visiting Ukraina: Translating, guiding and advicing. In Ukrainapodden he talks about why he is certain Putin is not insane, how Europe could collapse and how he woke up to war in his hometown, which ended up serving a major part in the early days of the war: Hostomel.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.