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100% it is the one movie that is actually scared me Physically to my core scared me. Hi. I've had an actual reaction because of this movie now Is it because of the contents in this movie or the actual movie? It's the idea of it the idea of yeah Is it the idea of what the people doing this movie or again?
Is it the idea of him when I first I will always remember I probably told the story before when I tell you again Because it's all context to this episode I When I first watched this movie I was asleep over and it wasn't we were watching it It was just when we went downstairs heard the person who sleep over us out her dad was watching it And I was like oh what's this I like horror movies so sat down and he started explaining to him Oh, that's kind of all the cannibal and I went what's a cannibal and got the answer I did not want And so yes, I got told what a cannibal was and I watched a few things with them And it just imprinted on my brain to where all night I could just hear and see him I was that scared my leg got a trap nerve in it and wouldn't stop shakin It's interesting you see this though because there is no cannibalism in this movie And I mean he doesn't go and bite someone's face we didn't physically eat it because you see that's face a little bit wrong in the same That is true. No, it was just the idea of no one like the people like him existed like they were real and So yeah, that's what scared us and obviously the idea of cannibalism just It's an interesting one as well because I'm not gonna say that idea of cannibalism is good and fine And I think that didn't bother me about the movie. I think when I watched it and I still watch after I watch it now It's the Buffalo Bill character I find absolutely terrifying hideous and just like everything about it is just scary like the fact that he's skinning people or putting people in a situation and knowing how to basically loosen the skin to then take out the sections he needs to make his meat suit show he's here and that is just right in the levels of preparation and And just the how it was kind of like normally and I know they used lots of references lot of different True real-life situations in this which needed a little bit more horrifying as well But yeah, Buffalo Bill I was saying scarier than me than Hannibal accountable I can understand that to be great. Um, it's the scene with them brook what I face where he she's in the van and he's measuring Oh back.
Yeah, he's just one of the skin He measures any measures I back and he looks at it. Oh, he looks at the tag on our clothes And I'm like, oh, no, I didn't have any So before we get into the movie as well. Yeah, I think this movie is discussed This question is synonymous with this movie Even when we put a post on the on the first comment was tell us that we were wrong in the way we described this movie Which again, everyone's got their opinion. It's just I don't know how you wouldn't describe this movie as as what I want to describe it as now I Think and again people would say differently.
This is one of the greatest Pretty much like yours horror movies of its time even now Of all time and a lot of people will turn the nose up or even make flinch I describe and sound so the sounds of the lambs as a horror movie because I don't know what it's a psychological thriller It's it's such an start Describe to me what horror movie is or the purpose of a horror movie or how a horror movie makes you feel that that in essence is Basically what a horror movie is if I remember film scares you if it makes you feel uncomfortable If you have to winch you have nightmares or it puts you off certain things to me That's a horror that that's the purpose of horror to call it all the names I get through like again That's the posh word of saying. Yeah, it's a thriller for a movie. It's a action movie a place like a procedure Movie it has all the elements but downwards call it is one of the scariest horror movies. I've seen Yeah, I will 100% agree and I blame the Academy Awards for putting that idea into people's head because they couldn't stand the idea Because this movie was absolutely phenomenal and they couldn't stand the idea that a horror Would come in and sweep the Oscars.
So they put the tag on and it was a thriller and one of us What a love text you last night You're bright, you're not working now. When people are eating people it's a fucking horror And yeah, I will always class it as a horror movie probably one of the greatest horror movies one of the greatest horror books of its time And it was it's it's funny. It's absolutely phenomenal and book series that I have read and I am obsessed with Red Dragon is And it will always be my favorite book of all time And I think I've owned that at least four times over because I have like ruined copies So yeah, I do have and I want to get these out the way with not other way was bad I just want to say them the taglines hmm as with every great movie comes a great tagline also some interesting taglines or Some what was yeah, we've only had what was before this being so mean. Yeah, there's been ones where we want why Yeah, that don't yeah, I remember yeah, this coming in me again, right these are taglines for signs of lands Okay, Dr.
Hannibal Lecter brilliant Conan psychotic in his mind lies the clue to a ruthless killer clary starling FBI brilliant vulnerable alone She must trust him to stop a killer Hmm Prepare yourself for the most exciting mesmerizing and terrifying two hours of your life, right? Okay, so even the tagline is telling you're gonna be scared To enter the mind of a killer she must challenge the mind of a madman May the silence be broken And the last one from the terrifying best seller Yeah, there are some good taglines and you know what that job still is like top tier taglines. They were top tier ones And yeah, this movie isn't quite well It's based off the book by Thomas Harris and of the same name and it is incredibly Stylized off a lot of individual people Yeah, a lot it's it's the so many layers to this movie when it comes to it when I was watching it when Nick last night and Like this is what these are some of Nick's favorite movies as well She loves these type of movies and like for a tour movie and again, this isn't me slagging the film off It feels a long movie, but that's down to the person but the person is there for a reason and it's necessary Yeah, so it feels longer than it is because you're in that situation. You're feeling everything that these people are feeling the desperation And that's where the film kind of sucks you in.
Yeah, but I think it's a very clever film as well because I know They've done TV shows with different characters. They've done a client star and short I've done a Hannibal show which was very successful and with this movie as well And that's I use the term movie it feels like in three parts Just like if you've got it like as a standalone you get the interrogation bit where Clarice meets Hannibal at the start and you have the interaction Then you've got the hunt for Buffalo Bill like where Clarice goes it out with And meets all the different shows and the start and the investigation part and then the move Hannibal to the bird key show you see that's where I was best described it looks like a bird cage and Yeah, and then we get the end which is some of the most horrific scary Exaines where Clarice is busy trapped in busy Buffalo Bill's dungeon and it's just Mesmerizing like the shots and how fear inducing it is but it's almost like a mini TV show in a film because it's Expected the past but it's flaws well. It's not you never feel or I'm tired of this movie I think it just like shit this feels longer than it is because you're in that kind of situation Yeah, but yeah, it's an interesting as well because There's a lot of different people like see this film different ways people say it as like as I said a straight up horror violent Monster like sure on the worst of you among me some people say it as a feminist Just with like jolly fosters. That's why she was enticing to it But what I find really interesting as well the FBI say this movie as a recruitment film.
Yeah They absolutely adore this film and it really is down to the hard work and they Because Thomas Harris based his characters off certain people and I'll tell you about them in a bit But there was one in particular the best and Jack Rofford off Which was John Douglas and John Douglas then became a if you don't know who John Douglas is The guy behind a mindhunter. He is the person who he basically created Psychological profiling yes, that's it he created that he is the guy who termed the coin coin the term Coin the term serial killer and his book mindhunter is one of the best great true crime books out there He really does lay all everything out on the table He became a consultant on this movie and he he wanted to make sure that everything was done to how the FBI would be working And I'm I'm going to see him Scott Glenn who played Jack Rofford and who I love he will always never forever be my Jack Roff it even though I really don't mind Harvey Kaitel in red dragon This is this is how I picture Jack Rofford when I'm reading signs the lambs he then to go on so well together And to the point where Scott said God you've made this sound so interesting like you know I might even consider switching jobs and you went I would I would have to do something for you I'm gonna I'm gonna save you some time and I want you to listen to this recording and it was of two girls getting attacked by a very very famous serial killer and He took one minute to listen and went that no don't want to do this at all But while John was consultant on this movie he was actually and It was the FBI's behavioral science unit which of all he was the head of while he this whole movie is taking place Douglas is on the look for the green river killer right So he's working on that and working on this so yeah, it was a Gary Ridgeway Yeah, Gary Ridgeway the green river killer. Yeah, he's working on that key as well He's doing this at the same time and I think the court in 2001 Yeah, I think it's interesting as well because I mentioned about the FBI using this as a recruitment video I didn't realize this till like say checking this out Well last two days because we realized we're doing this movie on Sunday But yeah, so now I'm looking through it a lot of the stuff was filmed on the FBI training grounds They were allowed in which I what I think was bringing because I could be an easy thing to do they didn't use any Real images or like things from any cases the map done and use they thought as it would have been a disservice on insult To people's victims and stuff if they used real case like case file footage So they basically mapped up or from as you said using people that were in the FBI at the time to say would this look like that? Would that look like that?
So everything that you see like the boards were Closetal and walks into Jack Crawford's office and sees like the Buffalo billboard all that was made specifically for this movie And wow, they didn't use any mannequins in this movie as well for any of the dead bodies. They were all real life people Alive That's the question. No, no, there was effects make up on it look even the woman on the slab where they removed the the moth I throat that was a real person And somebody's not gonna like this the moth wasn't actually a moth it was actually a suite because it didn't want to The show because it was out this week and they couldn't get deathhead moths like at that time the other were filming So what you say when they take it off it's a woman's nail with a fingernail with the death of a painted on The one that I had a mask was good like you said you couldn't use them but the most of the did you was worth track like royalty They were given their own special room on special temperatures through everyone each and everyone was handled with care No harm whatsoever came to them months. Mm-hmm.
Definitely You know this would have been a very different movie the way they originally planned this out Or the person who was meant to be involved with this at the start. Oh, God. So when they bought the rights to this movie Oh, right. Okay.
Yeah, no, it was a good. It was based on the fact that A certain person was gonna direct it and he paid half the money for front for it was Jane Hagen So Jane Hagen was gonna be directing this movie until he got I think it was the second fears of the script I mean, I can't be involved this is way too violent for me and which the studio went that fine He went to stick the scripts brilliant from perfect. You went I just I don't think it's on the right person for it So he sold his half back for the exact amount of money It was cut he was gone over yeah, he was it was classy for that He did miss a burn-in which was a real massive turn like that I love that film even though I probably shouldn't for the subject matter But it's more the acting in it from and jin Hackman and I think it's wonderful And it's phenomenal but that took a massive toll on him to when he gets into this and he's like oh God like and I can't sit in this realm anymore I think he wanted to play Jack Crawford as well. He saw himself as a jack off and to be honest I know you're the one with alternative cast normally But when I saw this the other day I was like that being interested Michelle Pfeiffer was the one that they wanted for Chloe Starring first When she turned it down No and the director she didn't even have to because Jonathan Demi who did the movie and he when she walked in the corridor that was enough That's it I didn't realize the director of this movie is also a director of another of my He didn't really shortly after as well.
Honestly that man must have lived a very bleak time doing these because he did this and then he did Philadelphia straight afterwards So he he must have been like very like having a lot of therapy because that's a lot to go through and yeah Jody Foster she pretty much like manhandled our way into it and it I can't picture I don't want to picture anyone else playing Clarice even though I really don't mind you I'm all here on I'm not mad at it like I understand at the time I don't think of which happened now I don't think if we were to have if that had about didn't happen and we had another version of half really think Jody Foster would have come back in some way Uh-huh, but at the time they wanted to push that out and they had to change characters And she did a really good job as Clarice, but you cannot beat the orgy There's so many seen that you mentioned earlier about and having this as a feminist movie saw So much yes to that and every scene Jody is in she is only dominated by men Yeah, there's only men in the room and Jody manages to step all over them So it really does give like from a female's like point of view Oh, I can do this like I can really yeah If she can do this I can do this and Jody is incredibly invulnerability that she plays as Clarice is breathtaking Mmm. It's effortless at the time. Oh, yeah, and her interaction with like say a Hannibal way she comes in brush confidence in like I'm just clear to do a job and him picking her apart just by words meaning even just like the way he sees see his stuff as well and It's so interesting to see that I could watch a movie just them to sit across the table each other Well, he's she's trying to be a profiler and he is doing nothing but profile her So it must be incredibly infuriating for someone who's trying to do exactly the same thing isn't it when she walks into there Is the first time they met because she refused to go any she's scared her. Yeah, and so yeah I'm sure when she was when it's I think it's funny smell that when he like easily he's like kind of Smell was ad-libbed as well.
Yes, but she she her reaction is her genuine reaction because he did she didn't know what he was doing It's obviously not scripted and she at the end of the shot she thanked him for getting a genuine reaction out and Went right. This is how it needs to be from now on. We can't be near each other It was just like again. I don't only delve into this like too much I think there's two films that we've done the last two ways interesting.
Yeah, there's a lot of interesting things behind the scenes Like Jaws is a mine feel like like if how did not make a movie is probably the best way to describe Jaws But this one this one seems to be like quite a collaborative thing I know the prison cell originally where Hannibal was in was supposed to have bars and visually We'll get this is not gonna work because you're gonna have like that's the fear soft and stuff. It's gonna be in the I'm bars. It's not gonna like have so they had the idea of the perse-back box Then the sound guy kicked off and said if you put them in a perse-back box The sounds gonna be muffled and they were like how do I saw it went well This was what holds it so to put the high balls in that for not like what was pretending to think but it was to sort That you could get better sound from the conversation and soon as Anthony Hopkins saw that the halls he just Stopped in about the things He was like this look that went on a sniff through there and that was the whole the same and then like the whole father beans and came out He was like I was just doing that to try and poke fun or get a reaction because they told me I am a genius But I am one of the craziest people on earth So I just start behaving and that's where I like that look on the eyes and the intensity and he was like well They wanted me to be sitting down in the room when we first met I know I wanted to be stood there in the middle of that cell waiting Almost like a predator related to coil and that's where he was like I'm like the way he saw himself as the most dangerous predator on earth And he just had a new pet to play with for a little while He's got a very serious voice a combination of trim and comportia and Kevin Now I can get to both of them however Anthony Hopkins throughout this movie has a tendency to slip into his Welsh accent I don't know he doesn't want to use quite relaxed and you can tell it's almost like you can hear it himself because his voice changes really quickly But he does talk in and out of a Welsh accent constantly through this movie when it works it all works It doesn't sound absolutely terrible he drops it in red dragon and Hannibal you don't hear it at all like he's perfected This is the first time he is playing this and this is coming off the back of man hunter and Brian Cox playing him So it's a case of we don't want to have the exact same version as what we've just had so we need to change this up a bit So I don't I'm not mad that he's a Welsh accent comes spilling out either either terrifying terrifying person and but with with morals He does actually have a moral compass. He's all moral compass might I add it's nobody else's but it is his own he's a perfectionist And if you don't like it you've only yet No, no, no, no, yeah From I don't ever take anything that Hannibal Risen has serious because that book was a travesty It should never have happened a studio bought the rights of Hannibal Risen and Instantly they were like Thomas Harris you need to write the book we need the material And he was because he only halfway through it so the border before he even finished it and he had to rush it So what he got what we got was a rushed version of something Thomas Harris fucking hated he hits that book And so I don't take I don't take that origin as gospel and I think the closest you'll get to a decent origin of him is The Hannibal the TV show yeah, I was gonna say they put a lot of right things because they used elements of animal rise and in the TV show But they kind of put things right a lot of characters they use because um this is where Sansa lambs and makes of the other movies have a little bit of a checkered past because there's certain rights to certain characters that people can use Or and using certain things like when they have the TV show that couldn't use any reference to Sansa lambs They couldn't use clarry styling.
So that was why uh Wilgrian was like see a sore covenant and um and or when uh, like see the showrunner I've got his next now And god's as well when he left and the space he wrapped up the last season where they were doing elements of Sansa lambs in there but again Because with like I think I did a kind of like a An image yesterday where people could choose the favorite of like say all the incarnations of Hannibal lector And this is the resounding favorites because it is an all-time classic. It's got some of the best performances I think the reason why it works so well And this is probably why a lot of people don't like calling it a horror movie as well It's sore close to the realms of realism that the line is blurred. Yeah. Oh you are 100 right there Um, brian cox did not do a bad jobs Hannibal.
I don't know what that really does not do a bad job Mads miklson is brilliant But he's not a sexy Hannibal law that he's a cannibal A little bit You can nibble in a little bit I shouldn't I shouldn't I shouldn't I shouldn't be enjoying this. Um, yeah, but what I won't ever watch the first season of Hannibal And I could not get past what they were doing in the willgram I know that man from red dragon and that was not will That was not willgram. Please go and read red dragon. Um Yeah, he brain cox's performance is good.
It just you can't beat how perfect Hopkins is in this movie It's absolute perfection and it's not a case of everyone else's you know terrible. So he is looking great everyone in this movie is perfect Yeah, and I think with Hopkins as well, it could have been quite an imposing like not imposing like like Like you wouldn't give him a second lock you would think oh like if he came to get me I could probably spot the fight. I'm not not to worry then you get to the bird cage scene Where the two prison guards and you finally see the voraciousness and how It's actually quite gentle about it if you look at him because he's kind of when he's swinging that baton around he's doing it in time The music so he's like he saw He's on the phone and go about it. She's like he's just so gentle and just Around that same sense.
She was like down down my spine But this is the best I could describe as well like throughout this movie everyone else is playing checkers He's playing chess. He has one move ahead in doors every single piece He knows where have he just says one line or one word He'll send people off in different directions. He's got as he said brooksmiths Catherine Martin's life in his palm is hand and he's playing it's like like it's nothing And it's kind of like I know he's got a moral compass He's got no empathy when it comes to like like life and stuff like that that aspect is it's like I think it's people it's a people that interest him rather than like I don't think he likes Claristan She interests him. It's intellectually.
Yeah, she can get on to what she can be She can be on the same level as him intellectually and that's what pixies interest He does have a level of a level of empathy for people But it is not to a great deal where it really matters to him Like he can brush it off really quickly. And he's not really based on anyone directly He's based on a multitude of people and The first one is dr. Alfred Bellini Trevannino He's not a cannibal. He's a doctor who just loved murder.
Right. And he was yeah, he just Actually Thomas Harris actually encountered him while he was in prison And found his intelligence into me were fascinated Didn't really look into the fact of why Thomas Harris was in prison But yeah, um Albert fish Not really serial killer also had kind of list tendencies I will never ever go and visit anything on fish at all Not in the slightest interest. No and the last one was Peter Manuel Who Hopkins actually drew inspiration from right? Is there such serial killer and he used his performances from his courtiers to portray his version of Hannibal Lecter?
Right interesting. Yeah So because we're talking about the relationship between Hannibal and Claris at the moment Yeah, because in the different variations or different movies or even books that show you see Uh-huh, because would you put Chloe Starling on the same level as Will Graham or would you say Will Graham was higher or like had I think It's higher. Yeah, well, but it's just because of where they are in their careers. Will this will when you meet Will He's already um, he's he's kept he's already captured his first major serial killer So he's already got the the experience of that.
Um, the only but he will always credit the only reason he found him was because of the guidance that he got From from the doctor. Um, he This is see this is where it's so different like so different from the person you meet here Even though he is the after of the events of what happened in Red Dragon Um, that he he does have such an affection for Will. He really wants Will to succeed Even to the point where Will is looking for him. He even directs him then.
He still helps him out Even though it's gonna cause him to die like incarcerated He's still always like so helpful, but when it comes to levels Will will always it is literally just the stages of their career Claris is a baby. She's just out of train and she's still in an academy setting. Um, she's not quite there yet It's just interesting because like you see the relationship between Will and the doctor I mean if you watch manhonda, it's a very different relationship to what we get in Red Dragon I'm again the books a little bit more similar to the more recent one More recently, but it's kind of like He there's a fondness to each other but there's like a deep seated resentment that he was the one that caught Hannibal, so it's kind of like he plays all will and says do you think about him or me? Um, and it's kind of like that's why I think he sends the tooth fairy to to basically end Will's life as more of like redemption Not redemption revenge, sorry And like with Claris, there's no malice even when we get like meeting down the line in Hannibal, um There's like not see a love because it's not that type of relationship.
There's no like romantic or anything It's I feel like he respects Claris more than he did Will It was more of like the present like Will he felt Will was beneath them and that he got ahead and beat him So that was more like anger But when it comes to Claris like if you like not just talk about the Sansa lums because that's like her starting point and where she is Like she's a feeling career in Hannibal like um, but this still he sees her has a level play in fit On par he never he never looks down on it And he never like kind of like demeans or anywhere It's it's nothing but respect when it comes to Claris and that's always where I think it's very quite interesting I always say his relationship with Graham is very father and son when you first meet them They are so comfortable with each other and I do think he has a little bit of resentment towards Will because he did you know capture him But he put the clues there. He was the one who put the clues around in the room He knew Will was gonna find he taught him how to do this So he knew it was to me when I first read it almost felt like he was he wanted to be caught Right and he wanted Will to do it and he wanted Will to get to the the Um what would have been for him because he was a her exactly all the celebration He wanted to go to will there was so the affection between them two was but then again It has that twist effect where he does like he isn't said Francis to him He's just he directs Francis to the right place Um, but yeah Claris is um, there's no There's no one opening ship. He doesn't need to do that. It's almost like he could maul her Into that, you know, whatever where he went wrong with Will He could maul her differently but Claris is too too bright for that Which is too bright for that.
She's she doesn't give herself enough credit because she how she figures things out She didn't need him to do that. Will did yeah Could you do anything about Will like again, sorry to bad To go from different things but Will as he said Hannibal kind of put the clues there And he kind of put things together the only thing he said to Claris to find Buffalo Bill is everything is in that file That's the only thing he tells her to catch him So she literally pieces everything together like so like going back from the weird body It's like why was he weird or because the FBI's in August against lobby He didn't he was getting clever. It was like trying to put people off the scent and then like the Again, you don't want to think about but having the skin cut the weird was it's like You don't want to think of the worst of it was like, oh, is he really making this out or why is he cutting it? Is he they just thought as keeping somebody is so she actually pieces everything together through her detective work her gumption shall we say I've got um and It's just brilliantly weird works out and yeah for a film that was shot like and then it was a 90s Was 90s for this one it was 91 so it would have been shot the end of 89 again of 90 Yeah, so there was some very clever like editing our cutscenes and the way the kind of had things played out in this as well Yeah For a time where the twist ending shall we say all twists in movies weren't really that big Well had a few little ones like a few things but this was before like things like the sixth sense Oh yeah, this is well before sixth sense I would just believe we were all looking for like the switching beard and stuff this has two incredible switching beets First one is when I first watched it.
I wasn't expecting it and it fucked me your big style Is basically when kind of the thing kind of escaped and you get the two prison guards and once and then I get the visual of the angel on the Out of the body parts, which is the so visceral and then yeah, and then you get the other guard that's lying there But before that happened you hear a bump you hear a noise The lift The police kind of like I think it's him and it is him Kind of It's cool. Well, that's about it. What gives it away if you really if you're so stuck in that's in that whole place There is a line which is a cold black line to what the doctor. What's his name?
Oh, he's absolutely horrible. Um Oh, what's his name? Frederick chilton Dr. Chilton says at the beginning when he attacked a nurse.
He's pulsating never got above 88 When you're in the ambulance, they actually tell you what his pulse rate is It's 88 and at that point if you're not really paying attention, that's when you should know that he's there Well a little bit This is probably gonna tell you a bit of green as well. Well a little bit that's seen as well is when he sits up It's not just the face that's stuck on it's like the whole hair and everything that's wrapped around his head So you can understand why like the people like in the ambulance. It didn't just slip off. Oh come off How many pulls it off?
It's it's like a Halloween mask That's that's the best way to end this week like one of those latex Halloween mask. I bet Sammy doesn't wear one again from I Yeah, that that whole that whole lead up. It detention in it is absolutely I can't I can't eat at all if I know I'm gonna be watching this film I can't have anything to eat before or during because this bit alone sets me off where I'm like now Now never gonna eat again. Um from the minute you're in that cell And it's so calm and the music's played and then all of a sudden it boots off and then you're back to the cell with the It does and it shouldn't but it does look cinematically beautiful that shot when you're in the cell Angel it's like something out like a 16 chapel in Rome or something It's really and with him being like oh, it's it shouldn't look great But it does and then you've got the same way Oh, he's alive and then they bring him into the lift which speak like the lift looks exactly like the lift I have at work Um, so yeah, it gets in the lift and then the bump happens and then you're back in the ambulance and you kind of thing because he Please don't care that.
It's okay. Everything's okay. And you're in the ambulance now Why are we in the ambulance who gives a shit about this policeman and then yet? There he is It's that whole lead up there and you're not even at the end of the film No, you're not even at the end of the end of the second act You know, we haven't even found bill yet.
Um, yeah, it's that whole lead up It's just that's probably gets me and I know the bill bit should but I just find that more clever than anything else Like I'm like on the very root for it then it but that bit gets me like whoa, no But then I will never watch the number again But then we have one of the collaborators again switching beets but with the camera angles the thing they use It's such a kind of cause at this point Do you think that they have I think they've got the thing that no exactly where he is the on route Clarissa's been told to sit mop a few straight straight strains where she is because Just 400 miles away. Oh, that's right. So they go they think they have pint his house down, but she is actually somewhere completely different She's not the first victim from the reason that that she was weird down They think she thinks off if she wanted to hide him more because he had a relationship with our newer type thing And so he goes to visit the first one to do some investigation and just not on a few doors just ask a few questions Um, just doing general detective work, which again seems like a like a nothing But the way it leads up to that door you've got the police getting themselves ready to get the snipers You've got the delivery guy with like a hidden gun in the box Before I always wanted a box of them flowers by the way Just just to basically storm where they think Buffalo Bill is and when they're not on the door it's simultaneously It's done perfectly and you see them because you see downstairs as well You've got bill freaking out because um Catherine's managed to get the dog Down down in the well, so he's basically losing control at this moment Which uh is brilliant and it's about to get a whole lot worse from Um and just that rigging system and everything that's built in the house and as soon as you open the door You expect Clarice this to get this nice old woman to say hi And then you see the swag person in their house assembly and behind the door is fucking Buffalo Bill Yeah, it's um, it's it's pretty and how it's edited and put together because you really think if you're watching this for the first time You're like, oh, yeah, the fucking FBI is the door because there's the door that's the door going off And they're busting through the door and you don't actually see them bust you just here You just you are there with Clarice and she is standing on the other side and bill opens it Um, that house is now a hotel Right, okay And it is the Buffalo Bill hotel they have done it out all signs of the llamasish and you know who goes to visit quite regularly Do do it badly, okay Because his wife is a huge the grim light collective did a video of halloween in this hotel is a special with him and his wife and it was It's fantastic. Yeah, his whole house has been done out as um as a tribute to the crazy loon himself Um, Buffalo Bill is based off three individual people Even obviously guessing the first one is um, it's again himself man who likes to make a nipple belt um, yeah, this It seems gonna be very big soon a name that is gonna be um, it's anonymous around you true crime fork because He's face Charlie Cox and not Charlie Charlie human from darlington.
I think you saw Yeah Well, what's um, what's the guy who does American Horror Story? What's his name? Oh, yeah, I can't remember him him him well him He's doing um a new wants to think he like he has done recently with a menendez brothers. He's doing ed game.
Oh, good About help you all because one is it's a grim it's grim. It's grim. It's really sad as well It's actually a really sad story when you really boil down dean. Um, it's just fucking how we turned out Boiled down as well Yeah, it's just how would they make and chat like how I never understand it So yeah ed dean is a huge inspiration and bungee is another The technique that he uses with a van is exactly what bungee used to do um and kara henrik who was just fucking monster Absolutely monster and it was the it was the captivity of his victims is where bills inspiration is led to Yeah, we're talking about the like the van scene as well because that again gives you chills and fear because That generally did happen with But it's every like not just every woman's what every person's worst nightmare Like if you've got a friend if you've got a daughter and you've got someone that can be like vulnerable and they're just if they've got a nice nature It's like trying to help the good Samaritan.
It's watching this it turns you into not wanting to help people as well Yeah, you want help your couch? You can fuck off. Yeah, not a chance. I'm saying something I'm saying something I'm saying No, I'm saying what people are building.
Yeah, that whole scene is just fuck The like I mentioned earlier when he sizes that back up at first I genuinely didn't know what he was doing Yeah, and then someone had a pointed out to us knowing No I do love um who plays kathryn what's that name broksmith broksmith Yes, she's increasing that I mean she's fucking badass and that just as she was in this It's the she a determination from her and this is what the fbi loved about her character more than anything because they when The fbi used to have kind of like I went to like pamphlets with like instructions on if you were ever in this position This is what you need to do and brook does that in her performance with kathryn when she's crying for a mom And she keeps trying to personalize us like I am a person. I am a diem someone's daughter I am someone's wife like I am a person like really trying to like make sure that the person who has got your helicopter from knows that you are a human being And kathryn does that so many times by just saying I want to go home. I want my mom And so yet the I was so grateful for that. Yeah, you know what was hilarious though But I've like what I've learned about this afterwards that brook smith and tedlevino played buffalo bill became best friends after this Because because I spent that much time with each other in these type of situations where they were kind of getting out all these negative emotions And after what she said after she spent like a narrow source screaming in a well when they get her out because A lot of people don't know this about this about that scene about in the well.
It's not a sound stage It's not where Digged her fucking well and put her in the ball so they had to actually lower her down and get her out Because it because it would have cost too much to try and replicate what that type of situation Um, but yes, she spent like the director would go down just to say if she was okay I spend out time with that and she said after she spent a few hours screaming in a well It got out all these good bad thoughts or negatively and so she felt great afterwards getting out of the well I love that. I'm so glad that she managed to take something that could have like, you know It could have messed a lot of people up being in that kind of isolation for such a long time That she managed to turn it into a positive thing. I 100% I am about 99.9% sure that dog is hers I'm sure it is. It's been in a lot of films though.
It was in the burps and stuff like that. It was the same dog Yeah, it's a female dog. I remember reading something about the dog. Maybe that's what it was Um, the end of this so obviously we have the end with bill which honestly is some of it It's so clever how this is done.
This is night vision done right? More's haunted should have taken lessons from this. This is like a Halloween Gaustrian ride like in the most horrific times. It's like she goes down through the leers like and she sees uh broken The clever thing is she's not just walking around.
She's secure indoors. She's making right decisions She's making great decisions with it. It all looks fumbly to us because she is like she must be terrified And she is like falling amongst us out like she falls over our feet so many times But how cleverly they she manages to secure the rooms and I love when Brooke screams at her And that honestly that room was to fucking stank like Oh the smell and it must have been horrific skin does not smell nice Well Bling her you miss it Mormons in this scene as well when the walk through yeah She goes through like the dress room and I I think if I put it out there and spent too long of it It would have been very horrific a lot of disturbing things would have probably Yeah, you saw the skin scoot like it's kind of like a flicker of what bill was kind of creating type thing Um, then the lights shut off and it becomes just she a terror and jolly fosters performance here Is just mesmerizing like with a phone over and like the Mormons where he's just got his hand and like almost touching her Kind of playing with your food touching almost like kind of like a kind of a lecture In this type of moment And then when all you hear is the click of the gun and then she spins around and proves that she is the fastest draw in the west Oh, yeah, she that was that was good timing, but the whole thing is so intense Especially when he's handed it his hand of how he touches a hair Oh No, no, no And you can understand why this film Like say is as good as it is but also as controversial as it is as well because there is a lot of scenes in this that And I don't I don't know how like say not saying that it's wrong to get in but Like to get past the senses that they remember this has come in past the eighties Which and the eighties are the seventies of the video and that's these where a lot of the stuff was like knocking past or early 90s This is still touching on where we get bill in like starting to put together the skin So you see the skin all the flapping and then he does the all talk between his leg when we look at it now It's hilarious but back then it was quite shocking. Like nothing had been the same like that as well and like Having a song going crazy That was the song that was played in my sister's wedding Look tethavine was so respectful and for this character He really did his homework with everything he went to um He spoke to a lot of the trans community because he wanted to make sure that he wasn't being disrespectful because in Buffalo Bill's mind He is not it's this is not a joke This is for real and if i'm going to transform he can't he can't look at himself and say i'm this is he needed something else And he went to the trans community and he made a lot of friends and he went out for lots of drinks And he just wanted to make sure he was not disrespectful in this moment No definitely i think i saw an interview with him as well.
He was like with how he approached the bill character A lot of people said oh did you play him gear or did you play him? No i didn't play a sexuality wasn't about the reason why he wasn't like what he cast as transitioning He wasn't transvest like or as such he was transisting It's almost like a red dragon esque way he was transforming his form into a different being sexuality and being like male or female Wasn't part of the transition. He was just changing his form because he didn't know what he was He just wanted to be something different and it was never a sexual thing and that's And that's why he says in the script or anything like that anything that was sexual like lies They would challenge and say this isn't this like about because he didn't want it to become Or like because again this is coming from the eighties when like say everything was like Andy gear or anything like that or gear was bad and stuff He didn't want this to be the height of the he had seven stomach as well Yeah, so he didn't want it to be portrayed as like oh this monster is like this because of airbase and say he was like no He's a monster because he's a monster Yeah, yeah, we need we need we need to not take the fact that of yeah I'm never gonna be up to see I probably have a talk about what you mean Yeah, and the toys the best most capital I've been using my words in a long time So good so good and I'm just I'm not gonna ruin it by seeing anything else on that matter And this movie did have so the end of that you do get in this film is we all know Clarisse gets the star and Hannibal rings Aaron. It's like yeah has that that moment there That was gonna be completely different.
Yeah, so there's an alternative ending where Hannibal is on the phone Clarisse Still the same thing and he's but he's had some cosmetic surgery So he looks a little bit different even though when we say him, you know, fine Well, that is And before he hangs up he tells Clarisse that she looked very lonely in the blue suit today indicating that he was still around And it's then revealed that he has he's actually tied in guard Dr. Frederick Chilton in his home And with a deadly with a dead security guard lying on the floor the scene ends well like to hold him a knife and say well Dr. Chilton shall we begin? Mm-hmm before the camera fades to black the director shaded it right absolutely He wanted the unlimited of you decide what happens to dr.
Frederick Chilton and again, that's an interesting choice But I think I can understand why the way about Chilton is such an audience character. He's a dick It would have been quite an interesting to see him getting his come up and yeah, I like the ball What happened next and you can make your mind up and did he did he delivered? Did he show his brain a little bit? Did he do a whole really odd kind of thing?
Yeah, this is yeah, I'm happy with the ending that we've got In some way, yes, I would chilton deserve to get his come up and because he was he's a monster in a whole different level And he took kind of a long because he knew we could write about you already you know That was already done and just like the all seals and everything so yeah, and yeah, I don't mind it But I do like I do like it and and there's always um, oh, that's right. That's what I wanted to get into That's what I'm rambling for and this movie has is the most misquoted movie of all time Even Empire Strikes back. Yep, because of Lanka. I strive as most misquoted movie of all time.
Um, every well, when he sees Clarice, what does he say? Which part? Um, I can't even think of when it actually happens So anyways the because the only thing I think I was a little bit with some father beans and a nice she and no When he when he when he sees everyone says well hello Clarice Well hello Clarice, he doesn't see his good evening Clarice, and the line on your fingers and Hannibal Right, okay. I'm appearing signs of the lambs.
There is one line that is closed though Mm-hmm. It's because I kind of was what I was going to close close the episode off with but uh, again I'll see it now because I've given with the spoiler. He says well Clarice have the lamb stop screaming Mm-hmm. That's quite close.
I understand why people get a Mandela effect with that. Yeah, and yeah, apparently it's a most misquoted movie And that is the only example that I am given. Yeah I was gonna give any other I was gonna say well, so Sammy has the lamb stop screaming for you now. Do you stop talking about candles?
Yeah, that just killed me ending. Thanks. I'm sorry. I'll put I'll change it in post.
Don't worry Scrap this bit out Um this this film a whole such a special place for me and it's such a weird place for us to put it in because it is the movie that Made me scared for the first time ever like dolly dearest was a whole different thing That was the first my first encounter of horror and the when I finally realized you know, it happened nothing It happened so therefore I'm just gonna go forth with my horror journey This got me on such a different level, but it's always the I love it like I absolutely love it. I've read the books I guys mentioned on Sunday. I've got a fantastic sign picture above my head of the full cast Um, I just I think it's because it is something that's genuinely scares us So I'm like if I want to be scared, then I'm gonna watch this, but I can't just watch this If I'm watching sounds of the lambs, you know red dragon is going on after I don't watch them at all. I can't don't know why just can't it would make sense to do it in continuity Yeah, but I just can't because I'll always start with this movie I'll never start with red dragon for some reason.
Interesting. You know red dragon is like I say It's my favorite book of all time. Um, movie wise, I'll do love it It is really good. It just will never be able to top this one Again like just going back to the production as well.
Um just before we sign off just because you've done your work on this one I think I deserved it to be fair It's one of those movies where you just demands respect and again, I think a lot of people can just basically say Oh, that's off the cuff going through. Well, it's just like as you said making this movie Um, the company involved like the producer was on a Ryan one I don't think of Ryan's around anymore, but no, I was thinking about that today because it was Ryan who did that Is that what gene sold his rights to? Yeah, yeah, how their company work and again This is going throwback to like these movies me and the studio was very much for the movie nakers They were like, right. This is your script.
This is what you've sold us. You go in the movie We will be hands off We won't tell you what to do and this is where a lot of the freedom came with the science of land was to do stuff that probably Wasn't the norm or could have been seen as too violent or I think like this was one of the movies where they had no studio execs On the on the lot as the film Um, when they were making the movie the people involved with it This is a damn good movie One of the guys said I've not felt this way since american jiggle or type thing This is the level of time kind of like they were getting the vibe from but All the people that were involved and like the people like the director had these like people who he works with like all the time Like so it has like the guards been in all like a few of these films Like people who like one of the morticians and stuff is just people that he's normally working But also people who would like on the staff like one of the writers was in scenes He was in he was like one of the sniper people In like that stormed the fearcouse and stuff like that So it kind of kind of got like people who were involved in the background One person there's one cameo in this and i've just shut me bloody nord sound and i've wanted to make sure i got this out Goddamn it. There's one cameo appearance and I have never been able to find him George era mirror is in this movie It's okay He is a bearded man who accompanies dr. freckter chilton and the two guards who forcibly removed karis after her final meeting with dr And I can't see him even In addition to f early from dawn of the day also pleases one of the swap team members and and Jonathan dami i'm really sorry if i'm saying his name wrong and it's de wm And he's the director of it.
He makes his own cameo as well by being a guy with a blue cap and the other movie just walked past Also, he has a um as many directors do jonathan has a tendency of using little trademarks that he puts in every movie And his is he mentions vulture comic in every film he ever does In this as well, but yes i've taught i've just shot everything down and i was like damn it Yes, georgia remerral is in this movie and karis is the biggest influence to dina scolie from the exiles i've got But as i said the inspiration from this movie came like so many things have came from this or um Like a lot of like the police tv shows that we get used this is a blueprint on how to do like detective shows or like and like see Criminal lines It's it's it's crazy how things look same but again senator what we've found out shows like this one sounds the lambs It kind of like the perfect storm as i get in the right cast might not be the original cast that the people wanted but get in the right cast Getting the right elements in there letting people have kind of that freedom to express themselves not being under such a type Which like the act yeah and it's hilarious as well because uh anthony hopkins did did an interview when i saw like one of those things i saw And he is a prickly bastard when he wants to be he can be one of the most nicest people but he can just cause trouble and He flipped on an interview because this is the web chemistry with jolly foster and he says chemistry we're just done our fucking jobs Yeah, yeah, i could totally picture that it was very much like that with their thought as well when he's in the thought franchise And this movie got i mentioned at the beginning about the academy awards and they didn't dare call it a horror film because it was Up for what i how many i don't know how many it was up for but it won 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 it was up for the big the top five It won all five of them so one best picture best actor best actress best director best adductor screen player best film editing because come on And best sound makes them very good like it was it was cleaned the Oscars Yeah, it's such a special movie as well. I think again with this it kind of led to like the debate that probably re-adjorn and like forever Like what would you class as a horror movie? What would you class to think i think horror now has such a dimension or different brackets? It's it's the pigeonhole one thing it's it's crazy how people still still view it as that But it's just what just sorry just one second just about the Oscars this to give you an idea of what this what they're up against For that year's of 92's Oscars terminate a two Beauty and the Beast Bugsy Gfk right now that is cinematic masterpiece and city slickers Sorry, I couldn't say that but that was laughing and fell around the ways Right And some film in the shadows of the stars the fish are king weapons of our environment on nuclear weapons of our environment And there's some pretty big news sorry three Um, could be twice sorry three was not a story.
No, it's just about the first animated Oh, yeah, Beauty and the Beast was animated in the two story three comes up straight afterwards. I just saw the name I was like The director beat out John Singleton right boys in the hood all of a stone Yeah, Ridley Scott like these are big fucking names. Jordy Foster beat that middleer Laura Durney the Davis Susan Sarandon Um, my god. There is why is the best film most best film just before I wrap this Oscar bill But best picture was oh my god.
Yeah, I can find it to sound about one best picture Beauty and the Beast Bugsy Gfk and the Prince of Tides Well, I was gonna say turn it to two was never gonna get best picture be fair. It's no But edit and wise and Yeah, you know the only thing I did love about this as well Again, you hear a lot of films and like we're talking about Jaws last week certain scenes had to be shot 17 times at something to get the right shot The most any scene was shot in this movie was three times. It was too and done Uh, it was such a fast-paced movie to be filmed as well It was and again It's just letting the actors make the own choices I guess the director did give them notes at times and see but was more like a wispy and try this the tried it filmed it and then That was just a collaborative effort. It was just a massive collaborative effort.
Nobody's ego was above anybody in this movie Um, especially the director. He really I mean, he's got he's going up against the leg of Anthony Hopkins who he could Hopkins gonna travel In all honesty, but no It definitely everything that takes place and this pays off and like I said, I've already done an episode which all dr Hanablex about we do get into the nitty gritty grimy Mason verger of it all if you want to go and check that out on monsters. It's grim It's fucking grim. Yes, especially time I'm at Mason verger So so yeah, so that's our little tidbit on the sounds of the lambs and I wonder if the if the lambs are still screaming out there for Pitya and her clarry starlink I do love in um cable guy is one of my go-to bunny billums and I do love when Jim Carrey does the silence other than Sorry, it's fine.
How do you get in there? No, but I'll be here. So with this going out on Sunday on Sami's birthday So hope everyone's bought Sami presents and taller and I'll be at the field three looks as well I'll take the come I'll take the compliments but no I want you to go and donate a couple of quits this late Because it's literally the last day is Sunday. Look at how demanding she is now If you want to be kind and help out in any horror film, don't say Um, so we don't know what's gonna be coming up the week after so to be to be announced.
How is he? TBC to be confirmed. So we've never done this before so yes, so we'll have a monster's there'll be a top grumps There'll be um other things there'll probably be a women of no culture at some point. There'll be uh countdown and dooms here And the mic happens to happen.
Yeah, and to put the lonely day one sounds of the lumps Yes, there will and managed to get you two lines in there now Yes, and to finish off the way we started when I sniffed Sami she smelled of cat-bondie foundation and regret just in I can hear you know what I hear you know what I hear you know what I hear you know what I hear you know And the pat-bondie lipstick as well So same back time same back channel. I was saying hi everyone. Bye