Rachel Sennott

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It is the great Rachel Senate, a super interesting, funny, charismatic actress, producer, writer. You know her from the film Shiffa Baby from Bodies, Bodies, Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. She has a new show that's out right now in HBO called I Love LA. We're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about so many things.

Open Mike Knight's. We're gonna talk about TikTok and how to use it and work it and what we love about it. She's gonna give me fashion advice. And she's gonna give me reasons to love LA, which is what her show is all about. So very great conversation.

But before we get started, we always talk to someone who knows our guest, who can tell me something about our guest and give me a question to ask our guest. And we have another supremely talented, delightful, young woman joining us today. Molly Gordon, Molly Gordon is an actor. You may know her from the hit show The Bear, where she plays Claire. She is Claire on The Bear.

And she's in film such as Theater Camp and Oh High. She's super talented and Molly is gonna join us and give us some info about her buddy Rachel. Hi, Molly. Can you hear me? This episode of Good Hang is presented by Walmart Express Delivery, getting gifts to your doorstep in as fast as an hour.

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Download the Walmart app or head to Walmart.com and get your gifts delivered fast, subject to availability, terms and fees apply. To me too. Yeah, I've always seen you from afar and I'm trying to send you very intense love and I don't know if I've totally found my way over, but yeah, but honestly, I've been listening to your podcast before I go to sleep, so you've been spending a lot of intimate time with me. Oh, yeah, that makes me feel happy. It's just, it was thrilled you wanted to talk today.

But I'm so excited to talk about my wife. She really is your wife. Like I was looking at the stuff that you and Rachel have done together and how long you've known each other and you really are married, legally married. We're legally married. Yeah, she's my wife.

We talk every single day. Well, if one of us doesn't respond, we'll just keep calling and it's hard to know when it's like an emergency or not, I would say with her. But yeah, she's an incredible human being and like you guys together is gonna be magic. Well, I'm thrilled to talk about her today with you, but before I do, let's not forget about Molly. Oh, okay.

I was Molly up to today. I'm prepping a movie that I'm going to direct. Fantastic. That I'm actually gonna send you, Amy's at some point. So we can have to tell me live on the podcast if you wanna be a part of it or not.

But I'm good. I just, I made hot tea and then I burned my whole mouth and spit it out all over the computer. And that's kinda where I'm at right now. Let's talk about tea for a second because I'm a tea girl, more than a coffee girl, are you two? I like tea, I violently wake up and I want like seven coffees of matcha, then I have a tea around three.

Okay, and what kind of tea do you like to drink? So I love this hot cinnamon spice, Harley, Harney and Sons tea, but usually English, breakfast or peppermint? You? Thanks for asking. I enjoy, my favorite tea is an Irish tea called berries tea, which I highly recommend.

And it's a black tea and I don't like any other, I mean, maybe occasionally I'll do a peppermint like if I've had like a big meal. I just wanna chill out. We need to move through even away. I've totally got it. Yeah, totally.

But I've switched entirely from, I used to be kind of a coffee person and I'm totally tea. And it's made of diff. And you feel like that's changed your whole personality? But definitely has changed my stomach's personality because I used to have to drink coffee like it was melted ice cream, like tons of cream and sugar. Yes.

And now it's helped a lot to not have to get into that. Like just to have that much shit in it. I'm not gonna go to the mouth and everything. I, yeah, I move back to New York and I was like, oh, it's really fun to like drink so much coffee and then like be trying to make it home to your house. Like I was nostalgic living in LA for that.

Like, am I gonna make it home? Yes. I mean, there, people who, you know, and this happens in a lot of cities, but like you get to know where you have to quickly go to Bathroom, you have to learn. And in Los Angeles, you're kind of in trouble. You spend a lot of time in your car.

It's tough. A sweet green, they're pretty kind of a sweet green. I do have to say. They're sweet. Yeah, they're sweet.

So when was the first time you met? Tell us about your meet cute when you met your wife. So I met my wife, I met Sally the director of Shiba Baby had a set of breakfast for me and Rachel. And we all ate and Rachel thought I was like a real actress because Rachel had just like been a stand up and she was asking me a lot, like what it's like to be a real actress and lots of questions. And I was kind of like, I'm just, I don't really get work.

And like we're, it's been like one movie. But she, yeah. And then we read the script together and she was so funny. And I had just never met like women my age that were that unapologetically ambitious. She is so honest about what she wants in her life and like what she does, what she's trying to achieve.

Like what she does every day. And I would always hide that I wanted those things. And I feel like it was just so inspiring. But yeah, I think she kind of showed me with like, with that film she was trying out so many different things. And you know, it's that movie's a lot about sexuality and all these things.

But she just showed me you don't have to fit in like some box. She was like, sometimes I want to do this. Sometimes I want to do this. And like, I don't know. When I was thinking about what I wanted to ask her, I was like, how did you have that confidence?

Like where did you start? So that's exactly what I wanted to start with. Because, but it's a funny question, right? I've been doing this podcast for a while. And there's people that come in and I want to say, how did you know what you knew?

Like, like how did you get this sense of yourself? And it's a hard one to answer. Because it's sometimes it's just kind of the way that they came out into the world. Totally. And she's still speaking of what we're saying about containing multitudes.

Like she's still really vulnerable. But she's just, but the first time that her Amy, she was like, I wrote four scripts. I'm doing this. I want to do this. And like, I have just never seen anyone act that way.

Because you think, oh, that's like gonna show that you have a big hat or something. But it's like, no, she wants to create things. Yeah. But I don't know. It's you can get into it with her.

But it's like, yeah, she wants to create things. And you don't need to choose one lane to be in or something. She the baby was made for $200,000? Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. It's crazy. Whoa. And how much did it end up making? And that all went to me.

Yeah. Your quote was $199,000. My quote. I only work a little bit, but my quote was, I don't know how much it made, but it definitely not that much because it came out in COVID. We don't have to say Emma and Rachel always laughed that the movie is huge in London.

We don't think not people don't know it in the States, but in London, we're huge. You walk around and it's like the Beatles. In London, I'm like having to go like this, but everywhere else it's completely cool. Yeah. There must be a lot of like Jewish women who have sex at Chivas.

I don't know. Yeah. And they all live in London. Okay. So just to be clear, your question for Rachel is what?

My question for Rachel is people have said that you from a young age were very unapologetically ambitious. Where did that come from or how did you learn to be that way? Where did that instinct? Where was the through line? Great question.

Okay. And then the last thing I'll say is there anything you want me to, any story you want me to prompt Rachel to tell? She's a very good storyteller I've noticed on these kind of things. I'd love for you to ask her about the first time that she was fingered. Fantastic.

I'm sorry. It's an incredible story and she used to do it and oh, and I'd also love you to ask her if she'll come back to stand up. Great. So did she tell her fingering story on stage? Okay.

Great. It's not like a violation. Yeah. Yeah. You could say that Molly or like someone was bringing up, you know, your first pleasuring story or whatever.

But I think her and I need to get back to stand up. I know they're famous actors now, but it's like, come on, we got to see you on stage. I know they're so funny. Stand up is like I want to talk to her about it because as you know, like, and you know from being on stage, like if you can be on stage and hang in there, you build a muscle where you can kind of almost, you can handle almost anything, almost anything. Yeah.

It's so good talking to you. In the course of us talking, your hair has looked incredible down and also looks incredible. I'm not going to be honest. It's a gorgeous up to. It's so dirty.

But it's really stunning. It is stunning. Oh, and like, and then I go and I'm like perfect. It looks like you're just ready to walk out to the streets of London and just be mobbed. I got to be, I got to get to London.

I just got to get to London. All right. Have a clap. Okay. Thank you so much.

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I love it. And I love that we're both short. I always talk about like, is it a short set or a toll set? It's very true because we can't reach things. Things are too high for us.

And also I like, I don't like feeling, I don't like feeling short. To make sense. No, right now I'm feeling very tall. Okay. I'm feeling 5'6.

We're both giving 5'6 right now. Yeah, that's my dream. 5'6 is my dream actually. Me too. I'm so happy that you're here.

I am so happy that you're here and so is my entire family. My dad was freaking out. And he was like, tell me about your dad. I'm addicted to him. I love my dad.

This is what is so incredible about people in their 30s. They love their parents. You take a journey and I literally just turned 30 a couple weeks ago. And I loved it. It's almost like you have to go away and be like, oh, I'm an adult.

You don't even fucking know me. And then I like, something shifted and you're like, you're my friends. You know what? I do want to talk about that. And I want to talk about what happened in your 20s.

Do you have to kind of separate? Yes. And it's painful. It's painful. What's painful for you?

Yes. And I'm like scared because I know of everything I've done. I'm like, both of my parents are absolutely listening to every second of this. Okay. Other things that are like, we'll skip that one.

So I'm like, let me try and tell me about your parents. They are, what are they, what are they, what, what are they like? What did they do? What was their job? Because here's one of my highest compliments.

Yes. You seem like a Manhattan Nepo baby and you're not. Girl, don't burn me. Thank you. Thank you.

Congrats. Thank you. and he did hook me up with car insurance multiple times. Because I was driving around with a car with no insurance, getting in car accidents, and he was like, let me help you. He was like, this is what I do.

So my parents both were accountants, and they met when they were both accountants at the same firm. And then fell in love, dated secretly because they were sort of like we ought to keep it low key. Which like, you, they're like, we don't want it to mess with the numbers. We don't want our romance to get like to screw up the numbers. Literally.

By the way, they, when they got married, they got a mug that said, which doesn't make sense. A mug that said, be aware of accountants, they made it. Which I'm like, they don't. You two were already accountants and then you got together and none of your five children are accountants. Well, excuse me, five children and a lot of children.

Why are you in the birth order of that? I'm second oldest. So they fell in love and they just started. They multiplied. They, I mean, multiply.

They started popping up and out. And I will say, I feel like they, they, they having five or four siblings, but being in a big family is a huge part of who I am because I think it's like, automatically, you have so many different personalities. It's like, if you're a child, you're a child, you're a child. You're a child. You're a child.

You're a child. You're a child. You're a child. You're a child. You're a child.

You're a child. You're, you're sort of, you're, you're, you're from what she could come out of for." Well, definitely you're part of the attitude of okay. La-soo, you're totally, you're like, yeah, that's great. in a way everyone's gonna be happy all the time.

Or something. You have two very right brain parents, it sounds like. So are you, and you have pursued a very artistic path in your family with the siblings? Does it go either way? There's some people that are strong and STEM and numbers people and other people that are artists?

I would say we've got, I'm gonna say three artists, but because I'm gonna say my mom is secret artists. Secret artists, she did my first play ever with me. I was like, I really wanna audition for a play, and she was like, I'll audition with you. This is so different. So different.

And she sings and plays piano. So it's like, I feel like the art was there. My dad, not an artist, but like trying to make everyone else do art, so he forced me and my siblings to play in a quartet for our family. That's very maffy, that's very numbery. Like you will play.

Yes, music and instruments are still like, still kind of out in a count and stream. That's totally, totally. Yeah, yeah. Versus whatever the hell I'm doing. It's a little more lefty-go-see.

Well what I love about what you just said, because it does feel like you grew up in a family where you had to kind of, you know, you just have to make space for yourself. Yeah. You have to figure it out. Like you said, you have to compete in a healthy way. Yes.

Or not, one of the things I love about you, not knowing you, we're meeting for the first time, is that there's something about the way that you are in your own experience, like your own body that's very grounded and very self-assured. And it's kind of like you have it or you don't. It's like this, aneffable thing where you just, you make us lean into you, Rachel. Like you, you're kind of yourself in real time and we all become very interested and curious about it. Like there's not a grasping energy from you.

You're kind of doing your thing and people are like invited to come along. And that's really nice of you to say. And that means a lot coming from you. Because you have, I feel like it's like in comedy and like I read your book, I read Tina's book when I was like in college and starting stand up. And like I feel like, especially when I think to like the beginning when you're like the first, not the first women in comedy, but like you're forming a group.

Like I feel like my friend group took so much inspiration from you guys of being like, I've got my girls. You know what I mean? And being like, I'll go to the weird open mic with you and the whatever, but like carving out that space for yourself and being like, you come to us as opposed to like trying to be a part of the other thing that you're like not necessarily invited to. So let's get into, okay, we talked about your parents, you're in Connecticut, you grow up in Connecticut. And again, you seem like a Manhattan kid, congrats.

Connecticut is a strange state because it's like where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Right, like Red Sox Yankee is like, what do you want? Okay, and thank you for asking that Red Sox.

Red Sox, I got actually like absolutely my dad rins in my ass because I put on my boyfriend's in case cab, I just thought it would be a little flirty. And I face picked up face on my dad and he was like, take that off. Yeah, that's not okay. You can't do it. No, it's not okay.

So you're more on the boss inside. You grow up there and you get to NYU. Yes. Where is that jump from? You like at the dinner table, being funny with your family and deciding I want to get to NYU and like be a performer.

How does that happen? So I always wanted to like perform. I feel like I did the classic thing. Well, you were in plays. I was doing plays.

You were in Les Mis. I was in Les Mis. Wow, yes, I was part. I was in on Saturday, of course. Wait, who?

She, you just said it in a French way. I was, I was, she was sort of, do you know the master of that? The, his wife. Oh, the master of the house lady. Yes. Okay, sorry.

No, no. She has a master of the house lady. You had the comedic part. Yes, I had the comedic part. And you know, anytime I was in a play in high school, they were like, that's a witch.

Or the head of the, like the prostitute house. Like it was really, it was like, that was the only part I was gonna cast in. Why do you think that was? Why as a little kid did it? Cause, yeah, I know.

But I kind of know what you mean. Cause it's usually the comedic part. Yes, yes. Why were they like seeing something like, were you, did you have a maturity in that age? Or you were just like self-assured on stage?

Do you know what I mean? Like not nervous. I think it was like, I was not vocally talented. And loud. And I think, loud.

No, I look, I'm like, it was always like, and you're the little, the ratty little, whatever. And I'm like, okay. I really, I, cause at that time, I want, I was like, obviously I want to be, cause I want to be up to me. I want to be like singing the pretty little voice. They heard me sing three bars.

They said. But you're gonna speak the whole song. And they're usually the most boring of the song. They are. Even though, Epineen has some great songs.

Yeah, because it has some great songs. Yeah, no, no, no, no. They're bangers. And by the way, the girl who played Epine in my high school like went on to play Epineen on Broadway. And I was like, wow.

Emily Batista, I gotta hand it to you. You were meant for the part, voice of an angel. Incredible. So I was like, I'm not taking it personally. But can we talk a second about loud?

Loud. Cause I'm, I'm relating. Like, I was a loud kid. Yeah. And there's something like underneath being like a loud, young kid.

That's kind of, can be very exciting, especially if you're like a young woman. No, wait, sometimes people don't like it. Thank you so much. But it is like, it's like carving out space, like taking up space. Yes. Somehow. And people saw that in you.

Yeah. And they were like, she's not afraid to, I guess that or they were just literally like, we can't get her to shut up. Like just give her this part and maybe she'll lose her voice yelling on stage. And then she won't be like annoying at home. But I do think you're right.

It's like, you have to sort of like be loud first and then figure out how to make it like entertaining as you go. But I think once you like break that, I also like, I feel like I've always had like a loud laugh, which like I've read about like tear laugh at the table read that that's not and whatever. And it's like, I think like not being afraid to like bring joy into the space or be like, I don't know, once, once you start shouting, you're like, I'm not gonna talk quite. Like it's just, you break into that space and then you can refine what you're saying or how funny it is or whatever. But I think like that instinct was always there.

Yeah. And that brings you to NYU, where you kind of join this class of people who are now your friends and successful actors and actresses in their own right, who meet, like tell us about coming to NYU, like those early days there. So I think I at first felt like I didn't fit in at all. And I have like a really hard time because the acting program was very like serious. And it was very like Shakespeare and like, we're like walking around the room in your cat and then you're like a chicken.

And I was like, but everyone's like crying while they do it. And I'm like, what am I missing? What am I missing? The money is gone. We paid. So I got to do something with this.

But wow, this is crazy. Like it was that I was scared. And I just felt, do you know what I mean? Like it's like, and you're looking around and everyone's like so locked into it. So you're like, there's something wrong with you.

Do you think they were locked into it? Or was it like pure pressure to feel locked into it? Now it feels like a cult a little, where everyone was like, I'm crying as the chicken. I'm feeling they like, you know, but I felt like, oh, there were a lot of opportunities that the school had, which was like the plays, the school did shows that you could audition for. It didn't get into any of those.

The school had like improv and sketch groups. I didn't get into any of those. Oh, really? Really? Dang, I bet they were regretting that.

Probably not. They're probably like, well, another year of doing our sketches. That's really, I'm really surprised. I didn't, and I would, every who I met didn't either. And that's when we first met was like at the auditions for those groups.

Sometimes that's just the best motivator. Literally. By the way, I'm like, I always need, whenever something doesn't work out for me, I'm like, thank God. Yeah, whenever I'm like, rejection is God's protection period. And also it's like, whenever I'm flopping, I'm not scared.

It's when I'm doing well, or then I'm happy, when I'm terrified. Okay, that is the best way to say it, Rachel, is that to flop and not be scared. To flop and not be scared. That's a very powerful thing. It's a super, it's a super power if you can do it.

Because the best things happen to me right after I met rock bottom. Like whenever I'm like, rejected hard, whenever like, I'm like, in love with someone who like is treating me like, garbage, that's when I fly. That's when you sort of like, let go of everything and you're like, fuck it. I met rock bottom. I don't care. Let's go.

That's beautiful time. It's when I'm soaring and I'm like, I'm soaring. The ground is really far away. I'm going to fall. And then I get in my head and that's when, yeah.

So you, Aradishina, you and I, both not making what you want to make. What happens then? Then I think that's when I started being like, okay, I have to find my own opportunities. And I think that's sort of when I like started to find my friends and my community and doing stuff on our own. So I started like, I started doing stand up.

So tell us about your first mic. Yeah, because you were on a date, is that true? Yeah, so basically this poor guy is like. He's also in Les Mis. He's also in Les Mis.

No, I feel bad because I'm like, it's like, I still know him. He is like a comedy producer, whatever. Great guy. But he basically, we went on like, I want to call it a date, but it was like really like we went to the dining hall and then he like figured me. But it was, I'm like, that was her date.

But he's a lovely person. I use a lovely person. I just call his, you know? No, I'm saying. But do you know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah, sometimes that just happens. But so he was like, you should do stand up. I've been going to open mics. Do you want to come with me to one?

And so, wait, and he was going to perform. And he performed. He did perform. Okay, so he was like, do you want to come watch me perform? He was like, do you want to come watch me perform?

But do you want to go to? Yes, he encouraged. He encouraged. Shout out. He encouraged.

So we go to an open mic and I think I did stand up about like him fingering me like two days before. So I was just like, I have no experiences other than this. It's like pretty, like I'm still like a freshman. Like, can you tell us a little bit more about what you talked about? Would you be okay to tell us that?

Absolutely. Okay. This is where I got into something that I think I've hopefully grown out of. But I, the fingering was weird. And then my first joke, which I think he helped me right, was that it was like, or maybe I think maybe my friend, my friend Moss helped me write this part.

Moss work on a very funny stand up and write one as an L. Who I just got to work with recently because I was just there. And it was really funny. He's lovely. He's so funny.

Yeah. So Moss and I would do open mics together too. So I think Moss actually helped me write this part of the joke, which was that like he was fingering me and it was like trying to trick a vending machine. Pretty joke. Great joke.

Great joke. That I, I think all I brought to the story was like, it kind of hurt. And then he like helped me write that part. Yeah. But I did that.

And I got like, I also, it's like your first open mic. You go on stage and you're like, also I'm like 18 years old at like a random open mic with like guys from New Jersey. And I'm like, hi, it's my first open mic. So obviously like everyone, the room was warm. Warm.

The room was warm. It was toasty. Yeah. So I go with perverts. Yeah.

Totally. Absolutely. So and at the time I'm like, I'm a genius saying a joke. I didn't write in a room full of six perverts who are all just like, maybe she'll only be here for one week. And she'll kiss one of us.

Totally. So at the time I'm thinking like, I'm crushing. I am crushing. So I do that joke, whatever. And I get that like high of performing.

Totally. And then like for the next like two years of open mics, I'm really bad. But I am like chasing that initial high of performance. Yes. And when you were when you were doing standup, like were you feeling like there was a party that was like, I'm going to be a standup?

Like I'm going to be a standup? Or do you feel like a standup was a tool or like a stepping stone to what you wanted to do, which is right? Act direct all the stuff you're doing now. I think like a little bit of both. I think in the beginning, I was like, I just want to do whatever I can get my hands on.

And like you can do an open mic for like $5 you buy like a beer or something and you can do an open mic. So I was like, OK, I can do this. And I did that. I did like every student film exercise that I could do. There is like I have like a whole reel of like some of the worst dialogue in history.

No, no hate. But I went it was really like I'm doing any I would do them like back to back to back. And I was like skip class to all these films. But then also I met talented filmmakers that way. I met my friend Emma Seligman and who directed a ship of a baby and bottoms.

Yes. And so I was doing that. And then like I started writing sketches. I when I did a sketch together that that's sort of like one of my early memories of us like forming a bond because she was so funny and I was like, I was laughing the entire sketch completely unusable. Takes for me.

But I was like cracking up at her and then like I wrote a sketch that these sketches about the babysitters club that she was in. And then we performed on each other shows. So it was like I was fully like building out the community of like friends. So it was like I met IOMOS. My friend, Katarina, who's the writer, director, Emma.

So it was like I felt like I got to like build out my community. And that's what it kind of feels like the 20s are about. Yeah. It is like figuring out who is like me. Yes.

How can we help each other out? Like how can I form some kind of community to get me through the next X amount of years like of trying to do the thing that I want to do? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And when you were in that period in your 20s, like, well, I mean, you just said that you turned 30. I just did. What did you do for your 30th birthday? What did you celebrate it? Because I got to tell you, my vision of you is that you're partying every night.

I am I wrong? Some times. But okay. Okay. Let me I have so many things to say.

Okay. First, I just have to say I just do you know about your saturday? Not only that, but I believe that I'm going to in just a year or two be entering my second. Oh my God. Because I've been doing research for this because of your show because I love LA, which we're going to talk about.

And it's all about sounds returned, which you just went through. I did. And I believe you go through a second one in I'm 54, but I think you start going through a second one like 56, 57. I could look it up, but are you are you scared or excited? I'm excited.

You're excited. Very excited. Because it does. I will say it's nice back to the rock bottom thing. Yeah.

When life sort of like shakes you up and you're like, whatever. What's wrong? How did it shake you up? Okay. I feel like it was like the whole thing is like three years long, but there's really like one month.

That's like super chaotic for me. There was like a month when that was like really bad. And I felt like everything all happened in one month. But basically like I feel like in my early 20s, I was partying every night. I was like very messy, chaotic.

I was like crying at the bar on the table. Like it was really crazy. Yep. Then I feel like I moved to LA and I like I got really like a little weird and like hermit-y and like kind of, I don't know, I went through this thing where I was just not feeling good in myself. Like the strike was happening. I was really depressed.

And I think I also like had a lot of insecurities about like myself as a writer or creator. Like I didn't think I could like make something on my own and I was really scared to. And then I think like basically the big part of this out of my turn was like I went through a breakup and I didn't know about it from my show. Was gonna get picked up yet. But in the meantime, I had to sort of say no to other opportunities, which is really hard for me, especially because I think I defined myself off of my work and my value off of my work.

And so I was like I have to say no to stuff and like trust my gut that this is gonna happen and that I can make something on my own. And when I say on my own, literally I made it with an amazing room of writers, amazing co-showrunner or directors. Of course, but you know, women always feel obliged to say that and they don't have to. But it just it was okay. I take it back.

Because nobody does anything alone. Nobody does anything alone. But you're making a really interesting point, which is like which I see this in you and women that you're coming up with, which is this moment where you have to kind of decide to take ownership of the stuff that you want to make. Yeah. And decide that you're ready to do it.

Yes, because no one's I think like it's also like you can't do anything until you do it. Like it's like I directed an episode. You just have to direct one day and be like, okay, like obviously you prepare and you draw the little pictures and make it all the same. Yeah, I feel this. And you go, I think the shirt should be blue.

Well, that's the thing about directing and I want to talk to you about this because you've been really, I love how you talk about directing and producing and writing and showrunning, which is, you know, people act like everything is like a secret room. Like we learn this from Hamilton. Yeah. Like that like there's a room where it happens and only certain people are allowed in and there's a language and a vocabulary and only one way to do something and it keeps people out of the room. Yes, totally.

And then you get in the room and it's like three guys being like, I think we should shoot it really slow. I think we should do it really fast. And you're like, this is all they're saying. This is what they're saying here. You're kidding.

And they have snacks. They're ordering like three rounds of coffees. It's just saying, I think we should shoot a slower. I got this. Incredible.

Once you get inside the room and then you get a high and then you're like, I'm staying in here and I'm ordering 10 coffees and I were shooting it fast and then slow. So you're going through your Saturn's return. You come out the other side and you greet 30. Yes. Do you party on your 30th birthday?

I do party on my 30th birthday. I do. Sorry. That's what I thought. But I do party.

What does that look like? I went to Sicily for my friend's wedding. OK, great. And I really party there and then I stayed there for the week. Perfect.

And this is what I expected. Great. I'm happy to hear it. And I really, I really went off. It was great.

It was fabulous. And it was good because I feel like I've been working for so long. Like I went into the hole of making the show. And now I'm out of every night. I'll tell you that.

I am. I'm going to a concert tonight. Where are you going? I'm going. OK, I'm going to see.

Do you know that girl Adela? No. I wish I did. You're going to... You Jenna?

I'm like, that song sucks on the beat. You got to get under that. I'm going to a concert. Adela. OK.

You'll love her concert. It's her concert. And I'm going and I can't wait. And then I'm going to do... I just basically...

This is the other thing. Tell me if you do this. When... Is this Slovakia and singer song, right? Yes.

Very cool. She's very cool. Cool. But she... So I'm going to that tonight.

But I do this thing when I'm shooting something. Where it's like you put off every single person in your life. Yeah. You make promises you can't keep. Which is like you're like, yeah, when this is over, I am going to be out.

I am going to be just going to the club and then dinner and then we should go on a hike the next morning early. Like I make so many promises. And then it's like you get into a debt, a social debt. But it's actually kind of fabulous. Because then you just commit to a period where you're like, let's go.

So you're in that period. So tonight is a dinner first. I love talking to people about plans because I don't want to do them but I want to hear your plans. I want to know what you're doing tonight. OK.

So I'm going to be doing a group dinner. Amazing where? At my boyfriend's house we're ordering food. Fun. So we have a small group going.

We're pre-gaming. What time is this? This is probably eight o'clock. Fuck. That's just dinner.

I know. I like an early dinner too. OK. But it's more, it's sort of like, you know, if we do dinner too early then we're going to get sleepy before the show. Right.

So we got to sort of what I'm thinking instead of when it should be dinner. That's when I'll be taking a nap. Yeah. And then of course I'll be sleeping with my Glamond because I want to keep it for the show. So obviously I'm going to leave it.

Like a soap opera. Sorry. I'm on like this. Getting lipstick on the pillow and then I'll jerk awake. 745.

Let's read. Yes. You know, swish it around. Yes. Bam.

Dinner. People are arriving. Dinner. Order in. No cooking.

No cooking. No cooking. No cooking. For that many people. Six.

That's crazy. Cooking for six people. That's outrageous. What? What?

Some kind of machine? No. Six people. No. Maybe I'm trying on outfits.

Maybe I'm leaving dinner coming back presenting an outfit to the girls. Oh, that's fine. Yeah. Okay. Do you do that?

No. I don't. I in general have a weird relationship to outfits. Really? And I'm very, very intrigued by your relationship to outfits because for me outfits, like I don't have the feeling like I'll use my friend, my good friend, my Rudolph as an example.

When my Rudolph gets dressed and she gets to change, she would love to do that but you're doing like come in and out of the room with different outfits. Yes. Look at my outfit. What do you mean? My outfit.

That to me feels so stressful. Do you like to smoke weed? I don't really smoke anymore but I will. Okay. For this or it could be a glass of wine or it could be a little CBD joint or whatever.

I'd rather weed over wine. Okay. Yeah. Let's do a w scummy. Let's do a gummy.

Okay. Okay. You not fuck a gummy. Okay. Now you, I kind of think it's good to do this like on your own.

Okay. Cause then you, and like myself, yes. Okay. Start by yourself because then you're not, you know you're not doing it for anyone or you better believe I'll come home. I'm in my social chapter.

I'm free. I'm already wearing your overbook and yourself don't promise that. Okay. Okay. So I do it in like the daytime, gummy ice coffee so that your body's funny.

Okay. I mean, my apartment is blazing sun. Gummy and ice coffee two o'clock in the afternoon. I just cancel all my plans. And what do I do next?

I go to my class. I go to my class. Plan elevator getting really high from the coffee and then getting really down from the gummies. Okay. What do I do?

What do I do? Okay. What do I play? What do I play? I think it's like something really like a theory of fun.

Okay. You make me feel like dancing. Okay. I'm just kind of telling you about a Saturday that I had. Okay.

Perfect. And then you just start trying shit on. Okay. And you roast up on the floor and you take pictures with stuff and it's like and maybe like halfway through you stop you order some food. And it's like, and by the way, you're not picking up any of the clothes till the next day when you're not high in the game.

It's gonna be really hard for me. Okay. But that's okay. But that's okay. But it's part of it.

Yeah. It's just like there's no like there's no I'm cleaning. There's no I'm organizing. You're playing. You're trying stuff on your and you should also have a mirror with really good light.

That's why I'm saying the daytime because in my house, I even your only looks good at a certain time. So you can take this and you know, it shows you for like your vibe. But this is just for me. This is actually really helpful because it is about like what you're talking about is about play. Yes.

Just not making everything so serious. Not making any so serious. And it's like you can take pictures of stuff or lots of times I'll do videos of me like walking and then walk into the camera back and then I text them all to my sisters and I go like heart which ones you like. And this feels like a very sister thing. Yeah.

Yeah. Like what sisters do for each other. Yes. And it can be like drop the vest, keep the scarf. Right.

You know. And do you take that feedback? Depends. Depends. Depends because it's like sometimes I'm like, you don't know this is a really good outfit.

And then sometimes you by the way, sometimes you'll try on an outfit that you created that day. This is that's inventing outfits. This feels like level two. I feel like I'm at level two right now. I just need to start by taking the gummy during the day.

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Okay. You and your sisters make me think about the women that you have your chosen sisters. Like you said, I-O. Yes. And another chosen sister is Molly.

Yes. Love Molly. Molly Gordon, who we spoke to for this interview. Love. I just talked to her last night.

You guys talk every day. Yeah. You talk about life. What? Wife, sister.

We're like, it's which is weird. But we like five different things. So for people who like are getting, because I think like there's a lot of people who are getting to know your work, Molly's work, I-O's work, like you are this rising class, I think of really, really talented artists and filmmakers and showrunners and writers and actors. But Shiva Baby was a film that you and Molly did together that was this teeny tiny film that really like exploded and took off. Can you talk a little bit about the path of that?

Yes. So that was a crazy experience and it's crazier now looking back at it. It was so, it was first a short film that Emma Seligman wrote and directed that I was in and it got into South by and after it got into South by Emma was like, I still remember it was like, Emma and I like met up at a dig in for a dig in. What's a dig in? Oh my God.

At a dig in? A dig in. It's a fast casual lunch place. It's like a- Oh, a dig in is a restaurant. It's sort, it's like a sweet green.

It's like a sister of a sweet green. Sweet green was brought up earlier because Molly was like, that's a nice place to go to the bathroom. They're usually nice. Sweet green. They'll let you.

So dig in. I think they have them here too but there was really a chapter where it was big in New York when we were in college. So we needed a dig in. We're catching up and Emma is like, I'm going to make Shiva Baby into a feature and we were also, that's also the same day that we came up with the loose idea for bottoms and we started writing it. Wow.

So we're writing bottoms while Emma's also writing Shiva Baby. And like basically it was like this slow process of building the movie out and it's like, no one wants to make a first time film makers movie. It's like so impossible to get people behind you. And it was sort of like this game of like, we're trying to cast the movie. We don't have the money for the movie.

I want to shout out Rianne Jones who was one of the producers who was like the first person to like be like, I'm giving you guys money to make this movie and gave like a big chunk of money. It was like a super indie movie. I think the budget was around like 200k but it's like, that's really hard to raise that money when you are college students and all you have is a short film. So it's like, I remember like talking with Emma, we're like trying to cast the movie without the money, get the locations, but get the funding at the same time. So it's all of that.

And when Molly signed on to do it, it felt like, oh my God, like she's legit because we had seen both of her in books, and she is so funny, so funny and like she's a real actress. I mean, that's exactly what she was talking about. Like she said, when you guys met, you were like, you're a real actress. And she was like, yeah, but I relate because when you come through the door of like comedy, you often feel like that's just kind of like, you just, you've always, that's the door you've always come through. Yeah.

And it takes a minute to figure out that, you know, everyone is talented at a lot of things. Yeah. So were you feeling then insecure about you're acting or anything? Definitely. You were.

I was because I had never been, I was all of a sudden the lead of a film that wasn't fully funded yet and didn't have a location. Like it was so like, it was like, I think we got the rest of our funding like a day before we shot them at me. And basically we go to film the first scene and it's me and Molly and I clam up and I just oh yeah. I was right. Right.

Cause you know, sometimes when we're really nervous, we get like very sleepy and tired and quiet. Really? And I'm like, no one can tell if I'm doing a bad job, if they can't hear me or see me. So it's like the first thing we film is that we run into each other. We talk for the first time at the Shiva and I'm like, yeah, this is yeah.

And it's like, Emma's like cut. And so then Emma like pulls me aside because they're an amazing friend and director and they're like, so we can't hear anything. We can't hear a word that you're saying. And I'm like, totally, it doesn't private. Thank God.

And was ended it really nicely. But I think just like maybe have a little more voice and I was like, totally, we go again and I'm like, so it is. And I was, I was like sweating. And this is so interesting because we started talking about like how little Rachel on stage being loud and then you have this moment, you're like, okay, now I'm a real actor and now it's going to get very quiet. I'm actually going to do the, it's like, I'm not going to pitch my fastball.

I'm going to do the opposite of what I do well. I'm going to drop it. I'm going to drop the ball on the floor. Yeah. I would be like the mound.

Let's keep the ball. Your dad and the red Sox would want to know that you can extend that baseball metaphor. So it would be on the mound. On the mound. On the mound.

Which floor. Yeah. So you're, but that's so interesting. So then and then what happens? Like, Molly can do, she like charmed the pants off with me basically and was like, she just started improving and talking to me and talking before we were rolling and I didn't feel like I was in a scene anymore.

I felt like I was like talking to her and flirting with her but feeling like, and it just, it clicked for me. And like between Molly and Emma coming and then it was like we got into a group and Emma came over and was like whispering seven my year of like, really like make her work for it on this one or like, like, give it on this one. Giggle on this one. And let's move the camera slower on this one. Camera slower on this one.

Fast, really fast. And then Molly was like improv, and I just felt like basically, I just felt like so like brought into the space. And then I felt like, I know how to do this. But it was like, I think, I just watched both of them like shine and like bring me into their like, like, artistry is like a big word, but I kind of felt like they both were like, come here, you can do this. And like, it just, anyways, it really like opened everything up for me.

And it was really special. Very cool. And Molly had a question for you. And the first one was, please have Rachel tell the fingering story, which you already told naturally. I did it on my own.

Wow, huge. Incredible. So thank you for that. And then she said, basically said, when she met you that what she was so drawn to, and what I feel drawn to you right now, I'm feeling the same thing, which is like the great audacity of here's what I wanna do. I wanna do this, I wanna do this.

Like ambition, not being afraid of it, like feeling like you wanna take a lot of space. And she said, that confidence. Like, has that, oh, have you always had that? The question is like, where do you think that came from? It's interesting because I look back at myself at that time and I think I was like, I was very insecure and anxious, but at the same time, I did always have this feeling of like, I have to do this.

And I think that's for my family for sure. Like I think it's like, I, there was like this thing of like, okay, if you're gonna do it, then do it. And I think like in my mind, I was like, I can't even entertain the possibility of not doing this because I don't have any other plan. I don't- There's never a job you would wanna do instead of this, to do everything about like another major or another job, rather than insurance salesmen or accountants. Yeah, I think now that I'm here, I'm like, I would love to do marketing.

I love marketing. Wait, what do you mean? I just love marketing. I just started getting on marketing calls and I'm like, these girls are fabulous. They're just so, I'm just like, I love marketing.

You like figuring out how to get the message out. Yes. You're very good at marketing. You're very good at TikTok. You're very good at Twitter.

And you better believe I have sounds saved for us. For a TikTok? Yeah. If you're down. I have a question for you.

I have a TikTok question for you. How do you get your TikToks to move so fast? You make it slow. I'll show you. Wait, do you have your to slow motion and it speeds it up?

No. We'll do that today. You shoot it in slow-mo? You shoot it, yes. So it shoots in, so the sound.

Are we talking about a cap cut situation? No. I won't do that to you. I will not do that to you. Someone's laughing.

I, Claire is laughing because I had her help me with doing a, what I've always wanted to do, which is green screen. Basically, I'm talking in front of a picture. That's what I want to do. I want to do it. I can show you, I can show you today.

I can show you. I just found out how Claire taught me and now I can teach you. Okay, we might have to do that. We have to talk about ourselves in front of a picture. In front of a picture.

We can even take a photo of us, and then we can analyze our outfits. We can do anything. We can do whatever we want. It's so fun. It's so fun.

Why is it fun? Because I think it's fun too. Why do you think it's fun? I feel like I'm playing with clay and dough. Like I feel like I'm like, Plato, I feel like I'm doing crafts.

And then afterwards you get to watch it over and over and go, I made that. I did that just now. Yes. It is so fun. It always is in the colors.

It's just the best. But it makes sense to me because you definitely have this sense of knowing how to exist in that space. And it kind of comes back to you just like being authentically yourself, which is just hard to teach. You know? You just got to rock it.

I guess. You do. But sometimes things happen. I don't know if you've had this where it's like, you, your life, okay, I'm being authentically myself. I'm being authentically myself.

And then you either, these are two things that have happened to me. You're either being authentically yourself and everyone's like, we hate it. Yeah. And you're like, I should do be someone else. I should be someone else.

Or you're kind of being a version of yourself. Everyone's like, we love it. A lot. And then you change a little. I'm never gonna stop being a slob.

I'm messy. I'm this, whatever. And then you go into a different zone. And then you're like, but they still like that. I should keep doing that.

But in reality, you're changing. You are the generation that has grown up. Like when did you get your first phone? When I was in middle school. Yeah.

And you've had a lifetime of being online. We talked about this a lot when we were creating the show. I think there's like a lot of times people like look at, like I'm gonna say my generation, I'm like zolennial cusp. So I'm not claiming. You are.

I'm not claiming. What do you claim? I claim zolennial. I claim zolennial. Cause I feel real like I feel a bit of both.

Do you know what I mean? I'm not going to skip any toilet. I get lost. Sure. You know what I mean?

I'm like, what's going on? I didn't do kindergarten on Zoom. So I, you know what I mean? Like I, I didn't have, what is this called? When your brain fully develops?

Oh, your frontal lobe. My frontal lobe. I think my frontal lobe developed like, what time does that happen? Halfway through COVID. Think of it.

Weird time to have your frontal lobe closed during COVID. During COVID. But I felt it. What? Snatch.

She really snapped. Yes. And so I didn't have to go through like four minute developmental years during COVID. Yes. I think there's something to do with that.

Yes. That I don't have. Right. But the, the, we were just talking about six, seven. I found out I'm in group seven from TikTok.

I found out I was in group seven. Group seven. What does that mean? I don't know. Okay.

And so if I was fully Gen Z, I would. Claire explained it to me because she is. Okay. Claire will explain. She'll show us how to do the green.

Okay. Let's talk about my love LA. Okay. I'm talking so much. I was just so nervous.

Same. And, and, and you have a great cast and you shoot it in LA. And do you love LA? I do love LA. Okay.

What can you help me? I'm like, you're 15 or 16 of being here and I go back and forth between LA and New York and I'm not loving LA right now. LA is crushing me a little bit. Okay. I think I want to go back to the East Coast.

Yeah. Like I really, you know, my kids are almost out of school. I'm like feeling this giant pole and I'm trying to stay with LA because LA's been very good to me. Yeah. And it's, there's a lot about it.

I love California. There's a lot of Sanjay Lake. A lot of friends here had great memories here. I've made a lot of stuff I'm really proud of here. But I'm just like, what do you love about LA and can you help me love it too?

Yes. I like LA most in the winter. I do too. My favorite is January to April is heaven. Cause everyone else is freezing.

Everyone else is freezing. Meanwhile, we're going to the beach in a nug and a honey. The beach in a nug and a honey and you're getting, I get this you maybe. Okay. Morning.

Saturday. Okay, again we get me coffee. Sorry. You don't have to do something else. Somebody's waiting, somebody's waiting, someone's waiting, okay, nobody's trying.

I couldn't get an Uber. But ideally, it's like someone's playing for him is driving like the boyfriend of the friend. He's he's driving it. I like this. Yeah.

And you've got a playlist. Mmhm. Okay, great. Okay, great. You go to courage or there's place in Burbank called Hanks underrated.

I'm actually giving away my spot, but I know you bitches aren't going to Burbank, so it's fine. It's okay. I work there, so I'm going. You work in Hanks? I work at the law.

Oh, you work at the law. I was like, okay, you also work in Hanks. I do jobs. Okay, I have three. So you get your bagel.

So you get your bagel and now you're eating your bagels in the cart or you save them, you get to the beach, you run on the sand, you're just sitting on the sand in like jeans and an ugg and a sweater. Yeah, I love the beach in a sweater. It's completely empty. Yeah. Because no one else is this good of an idea except for us.

And you're just like, you're having a beach day, but you're having a winter beach day and you can make it into a thing. Like you could then you could go like up to Topanga Canyon and you could buy a set of tarot cards for your friend and go on a hike over there. There's like some really nice hikes in Malibu. There's like, you could go to the pier, you could get like seafood, a Broad Street or your company, but like you make a day in the winter that you couldn't do somewhere else. I completely agree.

You know what I mean? I think Los Angeles, California in the winter is where it really shines. It's really where it shines. The rest of the year is tough for me. So what if you stuck around, when you like beach day in the day, we call it.

Yeah. And it's like, by the way, we're in bed at seven o'clock. I don't believe you. We will be. If we're starting to do that, you already told me about your plan tonight.

No, but until I'm in a social chapter. In January and February, January is our future. We're hibernating, but we're hibernating with our friends. Okay, okay. In our community, we're hibernating with like six people.

I, or three if that feels better. That actually really did make me like Los Angeles more. What you just said. This is the thing, New York, bam. You're confronted with a new chapter or an event or whatever.

And it's thrown in your face and it's fabulous. And it's going like, wake up, you just met this person on the street. LA, you have to do it a little for yourself, but you get to sit down in your room one day, delusional, me, this alone. Hi, in my closet, new era, let's go. Okay.

Lightning round. Lightning round. I'm walking in. Have you done ayahuasca? No, should I?

No. Okay. Okay. Our cigarettes making a comeback. They are, they are, but we have to stop, but they are.

They are. Also who can blame us? Look at what is happening. I know. I know.

And they were feeding, they were feeding people the vapes at 12. I know. The vapes are hopefully are taking a break, but cigarettes are back. Well, the cigarettes are people trying to wien off the vape. Oh, that's so brutal.

Yes. Like heroin to not take your oxy. Heroin to protect your pill to our own pills. It's hard out there. Okay.

Album you're listening to right now. I've been listening a lot to the Addison album. It's an album that makes me feel very like free. It makes me feel like my mom's friend to always wear yoga pants, who was like really chic. And sexy and like kind of a little sleepy.

Yes. I was like, yeah, yeah. Addison feels very like free to me. Is there a person's career path that you look at and admire? Definitely.

I'm not being a suck up. You can't see. I'm not allowed. You're sitting right in front of me. I was like, I mean, I do.

But what if before this podcast, I'm like, when Amy asks that, you have to say her. She gets really upset. She gets really upset. Yeah, that would be crazy if they said that. No, I just want to say, like, okay, so I'm sorry.

I'll just say it and then we can cut it. Okay, genuinely. And then when I'll say someone else. Okay. Okay.

But I do really want to say like, genuinely, like you have made a difference in my life, going to pursue comedy and going to like, be funny and be loud and be bold. Like, and also be kind. Like, I feel like when I read your book, I was like, there was the ability to be like, both like bold and loud, but also like vulnerable and sensitive. I think it's not that like, sometimes it feels like you're not allowed to have both. And I feel like you mean both and you should be able to.

And that's something that I get from you or like I'm inspired by from you. And like, I think like the women, your community like my Rudolph, Tina Fey, all of them. Thank you, Rachel. That's really nice. So that's true.

But now what do you want me to say, someone else? Okay. I, Brittany Murphy is an actress that I really look up to. Wow. I think she's an incredible actress or was an incredible actress.

She's just someone who like, I saw her in like, immediately, like when I saw her in Clueless, I was like, she just has something special and she's very, she was very true to herself. She was, you know, I, she hosted SNL my first season there. And she, I remember her being like, really kind, really super hardworking, very open new ideas. And you're right, she had like a sparkly, interesting quality about her. And she could do a lot of things really well.

Yes. Like I feel like I had so much range. And like, I don't know, I felt like there's certain people where it's like, it's like the character wouldn't be the character if it wasn't you playing. And I feel like she has that, which is really special. When was the last time you cried?

Yesterday, because I, this is the other thing. So I didn't cry for speed round, but I'll say it really fast. Okay, you, I like speed rounds to go slow. So it goes slow. I didn't cry for like a long time because I was so like, stressed about the job and I was trying to take it seriously and be locked in and I was like, there's no time to cry.

There's no time to cry. And then I think now that I'm in my social area and I have like a little space to breathe, like the lid is coming off. So I'm just crying more freely. Yesterday, I sort of had a little bit of a manic episode. This goes back to the closet thing where I remembered a shirt from three years ago that I haven't, I just was like, wait a second.

Where is that? And then I started like rummaging through my closet, not in a fun way, no weed gummy, just like panicked. Panicked texting people pictures of the shirt being like, have you seen this? Like texting my mom being like, is this at home? She's like, what?

Like that? What do you think the shirt meant? When you thought of the shirt, where did you, where did it mean to you? What did it represent? I think it was that I've been living in my place for too long and I used to live there with my ex-boyfriend and I moved around to Airbnb's before I lived in that place and all of a sudden I was just like, where's all my stuff and who am I?

And then I started to cry. Yes. I think that, I think that objects can do that. Yes. And then the last question is what are you listening to watching?

What do you do when you wanna laugh? What kind of stuff do you do when you need a break? Like when you wanna get out of your head and just feel good? And feel good. I have a couple friends and my sisters where it's like, we send each other like TikToks that are like really weird and then like I catch up on all the TikToks that like my friends or my sisters that be and I like feel like I'm watching like their show, kind of the fee that they have curated for me.

And then I reply to all of them like, ha, this is us when we're in the car with mom. This was us when we would go on a walk drink or whatever. And that feels, that's fun and silly for me. It's funny. It's like we do this at our office at PaperCite.

We like show each other our feeds to see where everyone's heads are at. And sometimes my kids will be like, mom, your feed is really sad. You know, like you're like, you're like, you're right, it's too sad. It's too sad. But by the way, sometimes that's good because then you can go, I'm in a sad period right now.

Totally. I'm not in my social chapter. I'm not in my social chapter. So like what is it, what is it? As we finish, can you remember any TikTok that you enjoy that is funny?

Yes. Oh my God, amazing. You wanna show it to me? I would love to. Okay, let me go through.

I don't even know how to get TikTok on my laptop. I was gonna show you on my phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm just going through, I mean, that's okay. So how would you describe?

Okay, this is incredible. Yes, this is incredible. This is a video of, it's this congratulations. It's a girl. And then it says the girl.

And the girl's walking around wearing a giant pig head, holding a baseball bat. And she'll creepy little song. To a creepy song. And she looks awesome. This diva is, I'm like, she knows who she is already.

Yes. That's very good. That's very, very funny. Okay. And then we've got.

Priest DJ. A priest DJ. You just feel like he has a hobby and a passion. Like, do you know what I mean? And like, I'm like, he's having fun.

He's having fun. Yeah. All right, Rach, I'm gonna have you sit back in your chairs a week, I can properly say thank you for coming in doing this. Thank you so much for having me. This was a damn delight.

This. Thank you so much, Rachel Senate. That was so fun. You are at delight and so funny and charming. And I could have talked to you all day.

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And if you don't know what that is, it's basically this period in astrology that occurs around the ages of like 20, late 20s, late 50s, and late 80s. And it's when the planet Saturn returns to the same position that it was in when you were born. So we all went through it or some of us went through it or going to go through it in our 20s. I'm just here to say I'm looking forward to the next return for me, the next change. I don't know what's around the corner.

If life has taught me anything, it's that I cannot predict what is going to happen. But I look forward to the first human robot marriage on TV and that we will be, we will run out of water and we'll be drinking other things during that return. So, but if anyone's going through Saturn's return right now in their 50s, right in and let me know how it's going for you babe, can't wait. Okay, today's ProLar Planche was presented by Visible. It's one line wireless on Verizon's 5G network for $25 a month.

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