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EPISODE · Nov 30, 2017 · 30 MIN

Ratification: The Three Virginias

from Constitution Thursday · host Dave Bowman

As James Madison leaves New York City to stand for election to the Virginia Ratification Convention, he is troubled. Overall, the nation is moving towards Ratification, but major hurdles remain, including New York, North Carolina, and of course, his home State of Virginia. If two of those three reject ratification, the entire enterprise will be in doubt.  In Virginia, he finds the distasteful process of just getting elected tot he Convention an annoyance. Even if he gets elected, he still will face the man who many believe is the greatest orator of all time, Patrick Henry who has made it clear that he will not support ratification. Or maybe he will? This is the real issue in Virginia, the three positions taken by the various partisan sides.  First are the Federalists, led by Madison, they support ratification as is. Next come the slightly-anti-Federalists, led by such men as Randolph and Mason, who will support ratification IF, and that is a big IF, they can get amendments included which they believe will safeguard individual rights.  Thirdly, there is Kentucky. Currently, it is part of Virginia. Madison has been fighting a losing battle in Congress for the last two years to make her a State in her own right, but the inertial resistance has led many in Kentucky and around the South, in general, to believe that the proposed Constitution is little more than a Northern power grab.  And overarching it all is Patrick Henry. There are rumors that he has his own ideas about what Virginia should do. Nobody is certain, but the evidence seems to lead to the conclusion that he would not be displeased if Virginia fails to ratify. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and Madison has to find a way to neutralize Henry's opposition.

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As James Madison leaves New York City to stand for election to the Virginia Ratification Convention, he is troubled. Overall, the nation is moving towards Ratification, but major hurdles remain, including New York, North Carolina, and of course, his home State of Virginia. If two of those three reject ratification, the entire enterprise will be in doubt.  In Virginia, he finds the distasteful process of just getting elected tot he Convention an annoyance. Even if he gets elected, he still will face the man who many believe is the greatest orator of all time, Patrick Henry who has made it clear that he will not support ratification. Or maybe he will? This is the real issue in Virginia, the three positions taken by the various partisan sides.  First are the Federalists, led by Madison, they support ratification as is. Next come the slightly-anti-Federalists, led by such men as Randolph and Mason, who will support ratification IF, and that is a big IF, they can get amendments included which they believe will safeguard individual rights.  Thirdly, there is Kentucky. Currently, it is part of Virginia. Madison has been fighting a losing battle in Congress for the last two years to make her a State in her own right, but the inertial resistance has led many in Kentucky and around the South, in general, to believe that the proposed Constitution is little more than a Northern power grab.  And overarching it all is Patrick Henry. There are rumors that he has his own ideas about what Virginia should do. Nobody is certain, but the evidence seems to lead to the conclusion that he would not be displeased if Virginia fails to ratify. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and Madison has to find a way to neutralize Henry's opposition.

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