Raymond Carver: Cathedrals even for those without eyes to see

from Do You Even Lit? · host cam and benny feat. rich

Raymond Carver's Cathedral might be one of the most simple and beloved American short stories, but Benny is determined to overthink it anyway. On meta-deception: before we dive in, Benny obsesses over “meta-deception” and feels betrayed by magicians. On jealousy: is it OK for your wife to write intimate poetry about another man tenderly stroking her face? Also, what does it take to be a good host? Moment of transcendence: what is the narrator transformed by drawing the cathedral, or is this just an over-interpreted moment in American fiction? We talk about sincerity, empathy, and seeing other people. Full transcript for this episode at doyouevenlit.com enriched with links, ideas, authors, etc. CHAPTERS: (00:00:07) benny mad at magicians using magic (00:04:55) carver’s plain writing (00:07:19) poetry not the first thing we pick up (00:07:48) tribulations of being a good host (00:12:46) getting reality from tv (00:17:12) boundaries on friend zones (00:20:41) dining in the dark (00:26:42) winding down for the night (00:28:24) describing cathedrals (00:35:23) on gaining empathy (00:38:02) what we get from cathedrals (00:41:17) on still being a good host (00:44:54) benny still not getting it (00:49:20) next book announcement WRITE US: We love listener feedback. Send us a note at Some say it's good.)

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Raymond Carver's Cathedral might be one of the most simple and beloved American short stories, but Benny is determined to overthink it anyway. On meta-deception: before we dive in, Benny obsesses over “meta-deception” and feels betrayed by magicians. On jealousy: is it OK for your wife to write intimate poetry about another man tenderly stroking her face? Also, what does it take to be a good host? Moment of transcendence: what is the narrator transformed by drawing the cathedral, or is this just an over-interpreted moment in American fiction? We talk about sincerity, empathy, and seeing other people. Full transcript for this episode at doyouevenlit.com enriched with links, ideas, authors, etc. CHAPTERS: (00:00:07) benny mad at magicians using magic(00:04:55) carver’s plain writing(00:07:19) poetry not the first thing we pick up(00:07:48) tribulations of being a good host(00:12:46) getting reality from tv(00:17:12) boundaries on friend zones(00:20:41) dining in the dark(00:26:42) winding down for the night(00:28:24) describing cathedrals(00:35:23) on gaining empathy(00:38:02) what we get from cathedrals(00:41:17) on still being a good host(00:44:54) benny still not getting it(00:49:20) next book announcement WRITE US: We love listener feedback. Send us a note at [email protected] to correct our hot takes, add your own, or ask a question. NEXT ON THE READING LIST: Middlemarch — George Eliot(Some say it's good.)

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