Real Optimism with Julia Jones - Toxic Humans: Spotting and Stopping Destructive Leadership

Julia Jones chats with leadership expert and author Michael Jenkins about something we’ve all seen but rarely name out loud toxic behavior in leadership and on boards. From narcissists and micromanagers to gaslighters and manipulators, Michael shines a light on how these patterns erode trust, fuel blame, and stall progress. They also explore how early leadership development, honest conversations, and compassion can help prevent toxicity—and why boards play such a crucial role in shaping healthier organizations.