Real Talk - Black Lives Matter

In our current situation I cannot in good conscience avoid using this platform to speak out against police brutality against our black brothers and sisters.  I have seen enough to believe in and admit to the systemic racism inherent in the way laws are applied to minorities. I asked Ben if he would be interested in a conversation. I wanted to talk and listen to him and give him a chance to use this platform to share his reality. This is a recording of our phone call.