“Real-time beats simulation” - Terry McCorkle on Rethinking Phishing

This week on The Awareness Angle Interviews… Anthony sits down with Terry McCorkle, co-founder of PhishCloud, to rethink everything you think you know about phishing training. From military discipline to startup innovation, Terry brings decades of experience—and strong opinions—on what’s broken in phishing awareness, and how real-time data and human-first thinking can fix it.🐟 Why Phishing Simulations Miss the Mark – Terry explains how traditional simulations often create resentment, not resilience, and what a more thoughtful approach looks like.📡 The Power of Real-Time Data – Static reports don’t cut it. Terry breaks down how live metrics and immediate feedback can make awareness training actually stick.🧠 Users Are Not the Problem – It's time to stop blaming the human. We talk about how involving users in the solution builds stronger defenses and better culture.💡 PhishCloud’s Fresh Take – From just-in-time training to behavioural insights, Terry walks us through how his platform flips phishing awareness on its head.🎮 Gamified, Personalised, Seamless – Why training that’s fun, tailored, and delivered in the moment beats compliance tick-boxes every time.🔄 Test the Process, Not Just the People – Phishing attacks test systems too. Terry shares why focusing only on individual clicks misses the bigger risk.🤖 AI Meets Awareness – How automation, workflow integration, and smarter tooling can enhance—not replace—the human role in security.🏗️ Culture Change Over Compliance – We unpack how to build a learning culture that sees awareness as part of everyday work, not an annual chore.Whether you’re rethinking your phishing program or just tired of gotcha-style training, this conversation offers practical insights with real impact.The Awareness Angle: Interviews brings you candid, real-world conversations with the people transforming how we approach security, behavior, and risk. New interviews drop alongside our Thursday episodes.🕒 Timestamps00:00 Episode Introduction03:03 How Phishing Simulations Impact Behaviour 06:13 Terry’s Path into Cybersecurity 09:06 Why the Human Element Still Matters 12:12 Inside FishCloud’s Approach 15:05 Real-Time Protection Against Phishing 17:58 What User Behaviour Reveals 20:50 Balancing Privacy in Phishing Tools 27:51 Smarter Security Awareness Training 30:01 Making Compliance Training Engaging 33:03 From Reactive to Proactive Phishing Defence 36:29 How AI is Enhancing Security 39:14 Tackling Human Risk in Cyber 43:29 Building a Security-First Culture 46:20 Military Experience in Cyber Careers 48:10 Learning Resources & Recommendations💬 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check Out This Episode's Discussion Points⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📧 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🔗⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ riskycreative.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎵 Our Intro & Outro Song (© ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠16! by ⁠falling forever⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠)License: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0