Reese Witherspoon Said Women Need to Learn to Use AI (Women Were NOT Happy)

Reese Witherspoon just dropped a truth bomb: women’s jobs are 3x more likely to be automated by AI, yet women are using it 25% less than men. Instead of applause, authors and the literary world slammed her for saying “It’s time to learn AI.”In this episode, Simone & Malcolm Collins break down the controversy, why Reese is right (and surprisingly based), the hilarious meltdown from writers like Roxane Gay, and what it means for the future of filmmaking, creativity, and women in tech.They also dive into:* Reese’s earlier call for “more girl bosses in AI”* How AI is transforming Hollywood (and why fighting it is self-sabotage)* The gender divide in AI adoption — and how approachable agent tools can help* Milla Jovovich’s impressive open-source AI memory palace* Why refusing to learn AI is the fastest way to get left behindIf you want to stay relevant in the AI revolution — whether you’re a creator, professional, or just don’t want to be replaced — this is the wake-up call.Watch until the end for a fun chat about high vs. low camp, family life, and why the people embracing AI will dominate the next era.💡 Want to get started with AI the easy way? Check out Reality Fabricator for powerful, approachable agents that anyone can use.Drop a like if Reese is right, comment your favorite AI tool, and subscribe for more unfiltered takes on tech, culture, and the future!Streamyard - Reece Witherspoon_ Women_ Learn to AISimone Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Malcolm. I’m excited to be speaking with you today because women freaked out after Reese Witherspoon said that women should learn how to use ai. OhMalcolm Collins: my God. Now one, I love the learn to code thing. Yes. So for people who forgot, learn to code.So journalists used to always like tell. Coal miners and stuff in West Virginia with a very smug act, learn to code whenever, like a coal mine would get shut down or whatever, right? Because. Of course they’re arrogant. They see these people as subhuman. Mm-hmm. They are just like, get a real job, basically.Right. Like,Simone Collins: yeah.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Like a high. Anyway, when all the journalists started being laid off the new Right. Gamer gate, post gamer gate online. Right. Came out and started yelling at them to learn to code, or not yelling at them, but tweeting at them, and they got super triggered to the. Accounts could get banned for telling a journalist to learn to code after they had lost their jobSimone Collins: 100%.And once again the primary people who had a bit of an aneurysm in, [00:01:00] in the face of Reese Witherspoon politely recommending that this is kind of an important and big deal.Speaker 2: What? Like it’s hard.Simone Collins: Were writers, of course because they hate it. And apparently though this isn’t even Reese Witherspoon’s first time, like trying to evangelize the use of ai, which I think is really interesting.So just seven months ago, again, this is super not new. She made headlines for saying that AI needs more girl bosses.Speaker 9: Do you have a resume?It’s pink. Oh. And it’s sented. I think it gives it a little something extra. Don’t you think?Simone Collins: There’s this article in the cut titled, Reese Witherspoon thinks AI Needs More Girl Bosses, where they bristle about her statement that she made in a different interview to glamor the Women’s Fashion Magazine.They, they write one thing about Reese Witherspoon, she’s going to get women into male dominated spaces, and if those spaces are an environmentally disastrous creative wasteland designed to eliminate the human touch from art. Well, they could use a feminine touch.Speaker 2: You know, you’re really being a butthead. [00:02:00] A butthead.Simone Collins: The actress recently told glamor that quote, it’s so important that women are involved in ai, lest they be left behind by the filmmaking industry.I love that she’s trying to warn people in the filmmaking industry like guys. It’s coming. It’s coming. Whether or not you want it to to come,Malcolm Collins: it is coming though. And the extent to which some people aren’t engaging with it, like I’m actually astonished at what we’ve been able to put together with our fab ai.Yeah. We now, our agent system is mostly working. It made a video game for me today. I wanted a rogue light snake game and it made a road light snake game, and I’m using itSimone Collins: to make clips from videos.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And also on its own. Now you can on our fab from tons of different providers of images and videos, create videos.So I’m trying to create a better place for creating videos. If you’re putting together something like a. Sky Brows type video because I wanna be the best place to put those together too onlineSpeaker 17: So what the system does is it allows you to [00:03:00] choose any starting image creation, ai you want from like a huge list of providers to create the initial image or you can upload an image. Then from there, using any of the image to video, like if you want to do Sance two, great.You do sance two , providers to create a video from that image and then you can cut that video wherever you want and you hit make video again. And then with any provider you want, you can use the same one or another one or whatever. , It takes the last image, , frame of the video that was created earlier in here.. From where you cut it or just the last frame in general. And then it creates another video with that being the starting image. And then, , you can re-roll if you want, and then it automatically stitches them together. And you can just keep doing this to very naturally create AI videos as long as you want.Malcolm Collins: because we’re using, the reason why we’re able to use so many different models is because we use multiple backend platforms and I guess everyone else is lazy and just uses one, but I can like API [00:04:00] keys for all of ‘em.But anyway, continue.Simone Collins: She also sit in the interview. I’m a very hard worker and I like to change and adapt to new structures and new environments. I’m always looking for how. Media is evolving and how I can help part of bringing women along into those emerging industries. Witherspoon said, and now we’re doing it with ai.For an example of what our side women are doing with ai, it, here’s a clip from a song that leaflet put out yesterday.Speaker 19: [00:05:00] おSimone Collins: it’s so, so important that women are involved in AI because it will be the future of filmmaking and you can be sad and lament it all you want, but the changes here. She’s totally right. And even we have family members who are actively working on integrating AI into filmmaking. There was this movie called I think called here with Tom Hanks that had a lot of, they, they had to artificially age up and down the actors ‘cause it covered sort of the history of, of what happened in one geographical location.And that involved, you know, actors being very significantly manipulated with ai. His company was involved in that. It’s really cool stuff and it’s absolutely true that AI is gonna be huge and she’s just trying to help, it alwaysMalcolm Collins: goes viral for DeepFakes. Like I think like half of the time a deepfake has gone viral.It was made with his technology.Simone Collins: Yeah. And so they, they continue, the actress added that there will quote, never be a lack of creativity and ingenuity and actual physical manual building of things. It might diminish, she noted, but it’s always going to be of the highest [00:06:00] importance in art and expression of self.Hmm. Siding with the diminishment is not an amazing look, but it seems that Witherspoon is wholly committed to team ai. She told the magazine that she uses AI tools every day for different tasks. Quote, I use search tools like perplexity every day. Witherspoon said, I use vetted ai, like if you’re buying a blender, it’ll show you six different blenders and also recommend the best product.For about 20 more seconds of your time, you can Google best Blunder 2025 and get the same thing without contributing to the depletion of the world’s water supply. But go off. You’re so mad. They’reMalcolm Collins: so mad. They’re so mad. By the way, do they not know how much energy is using Google searches?Simone Collins: Yeah, actually there was just discussion about this with, people were, were coming on Taylor Lorenz for this too. They’re like, Taylor Lorenz is using II when it’s hurting the environment. And, and people have been talking about like, well, I mean, but if you did the same number of like Google [00:07:00] searches, like I don’t, you know, I.Malcolm Collins: It would have the same amount of damage.Simone Collins: Right? Yeah. Like the, I, people don’t seem to be getting it, but they just hate AI that much. Well, andMalcolm Collins: humans consume water as well. What if I had hired a human to do this?Simone Collins: Yeah. Maybe we just need takingMalcolm Collins: out humans in this time, in this timeline.Simone Collins: Exactly. They consume more water. I, I’ve seen how people drink in offices with their stupid, trendy water bottles.It’s. Very, very consumptive. Witherspoon didn’t stop there. Going on to sing the praises of her AI assistant, quote, simple AI is in an AI assistant that can be really helpful for anyone out there who doesn’t want to have to make a doctor’s appointment because you don’t want to sit on hold or deal with the problems of navigating hospital systems.End quote. She said, wait, hold on. AreMalcolm Collins: you using that one yet? Simple ai.Simone Collins: No, I need to try that out. See, like she’s actually trying, like, Hey, here’s a cool tool. Here’s a cool tool. Maybe you should use it. She said sounding a lot like she might be angling for a seat on the board. Oh my God. They’re not giving her any, any leeway with [00:08:00] this.And she is just, IMalcolm Collins: love, this is a magazine. This isn’t somebody crashing out on X. This is a freaking magazine.Simone Collins: I know, I know, I know. It’s the cut. It, it’s so freaking funny. And this is her talking to glamor and like they, they frame it like she, you know, had some, I mean, and I’m not reading the full article, but the, the context of her speaking to glamor was to promote one of the shows that she’s on.But that like, oh, instead of talking about the show, she just went off the rails and started talking about how AI is so freaking great. How dare she, so that first, that was seven months ago. Reese Witherspoon not deterred. Just posted something again on Instagram that just freaked people out. And this is where the, the most recent kerfuffle emerged.So, the LA Times wrote an article titled Authors are Slamming Reese Witherspoon for Telling followers it’s time to Learn ai. Do notMalcolm Collins: learn if you’re a woman.Simone Collins: Yes, quote, the Oscar winning actor and producer known for spotlighting women’s voices through her [00:09:00] famed book club, television, and screen products may have been breaking or barking up the wrong tree when she told her social media followers that it was time to learn AI on Wednesday.Well. I’ve decided it’s time. She wrote in the caption of an Instagram wheel on Wednesday. The AI revolution has begun, and I need to learn as much as I possibly can about AI and share it with all of you. Also, FYI, the jobs women hold are three times more likely to be automated by ai. Yet women are using AI at a rate 25% lower than men on average.We don’t want to be left behind.Malcolm Collins: AI is gonna completely transform the genders of the employed market.Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah. But here’s the thing, like Reese Witherspoon is so based. For pointing this out, she is, as far as I understand, a leftist, a woman fully like in the media, like mainstream media, left-leaning all about female empowerment, and here she is being like, oh.[00:10:00] Female empowerment is kind of like on the chopping block right now. Women’s jobs are about to be wiped out by ai. By AI into make matters worse. Women aren’t using ai. As they should be if they want to maintain relevance. Hey, I need to put out the alarm. We woo, we woo. Like women please. Woo, woo woo. Yes.Help yourselves. So she says, do you want to learn with me? The article continues in the video, which the star shared across social media platforms. Withers Spoon. Said she was with 10 women at a book club this week. Quote, I said to the 10 of them, how many of you guys use ai? And only three of them used ai.And then I said, how many of the three of you feel like you really know what you’re doing or using it the right way? And there was only one person, she said, so three outta 10 women are the only ones using ai. That means 70% of the group is not keeping up. The thing I’ve learned about technology is if you don’t get a little bit of understanding at the very beginning, it just speeds past you.So you have to. You have to have little bits of learning just to keep up.Malcolm Collins: Oh, she’s [00:11:00] imminently sane. This is like something. Mm-hmm. Walk into a leftist space and say sane things and you are a demon. And I love that the left has gone against AI because it’s going to affect all levels of their political organiz organization.Simone Collins: I know. It’s like the eu, it’s, I mean, the EU did the same thing, right? The eus like ai stop, stop tracking or data. I need my privacy.Malcolm Collins: You know, I was talking, was leaflet about this and she felt like America was gonna be cooked compared to China because of our AI restrictions. And I’m like, oh sweetie. Like the, the United States barely restricts AI when contrasting,Simone Collins: I mean, compared to the EU at least.So like, Hey, hey, stop listening to me. Please render me irrelevant. Like,Malcolm Collins: okay, you’re not trained on our data. They literally have bands on training, on data from like the past 10 years. Like, so modern European history is luckily not, doesn’t exist in AI memory.Simone Collins: Have they not? Or Europe should be familiar with the fact that like history is written by the people who write history.Like that’s. You know, and we’re not gonnaMalcolm Collins: themselves, they wanna make [00:12:00] absolutely sure that history isn’t written about them.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Apparently, and I’ll write History. Europe cued itself, they brought in people to f their women and replace them. It was. Hilarious. And then I’ll underline hilarious a few times.Like literally people were getting griped and you would’ve been arrested if you complained about it. This is like actually what’s going on in Europe right now, likeSimone Collins: I know. I know, I know. Yeah. So, what what seems to be happening is Reese Witherspoon is really interested in trying to like, get women and girls onboard with AI to provide them with like approachable training that like, that works for women.And you and I have had conversations about this, like you’ve tried to get me on like vibe coding and stuff really early on, and I try and I’m just like, this. No, you’re stillMalcolm Collins: not vibe coding.Simone Collins: Yeah, I just, maybe there’s something about like the, the female brain on average that just doesn’t vibeMalcolm Collins: code was our agents as your first vibe coding platform.Because if weSimone Collins: can do, no, [00:13:00] I’m, I’m way, way, way more comfortable doing vibe coding. ‘cause again, like I was doing like stuff in terminal with the agent that, that’s building a little solution to make clips of the podcast today. And that like. It was just so much more approachable for me. I like, I actually think that like we should reach out to Reese Witherspoon.I actually WhyMalcolm Collins: not?Simone Collins: I will. I will, I will actually. Because I actually think this is a really good on-ramp for a Well, that’s the point of reality fabricator is to make agent AI approachable to the mainstream population. For stupidMalcolm Collins: people. For you.Simone Collins: Yeah. But actually, yeah. Stop. I hate you.Malcolm Collins: No. I’ve actually been surprised by the things that Simone finds challenging about using AI because I, I don’t understand how it’s challenging.It just does it all for you. Mm-hmm. And I, I guess it’s the pass go part.Simone Collins: Yeah. It’s, it’s just weirdly daunting. Yeah. It’s, it’s like trying to find your footing in zero gravity. I guess that’s kind of how it feels to me, and I feel like it’s just a stupid mental block. Well, yeah, [00:14:00] that’s kind of true because it, it, it’s so frictionless, right?It’s so frictionless. You can basically take it in any direction. You know, you, you can do so much. And it kind of overwhelms me and I think women. Maybe on average more prefer, as you can see with like the fact that they dominate highly bureaucratic and structured institutions. They want to work within structure and certainty and processes and lots of like do this and then this and then this.And AI can do that for you. Like the agents helping me do that, it’s making it approachable for me. But like, I don’t know, you’ve just designed it in a way that does that. Anyway, anyway the, we, we will reach out to re Reese Witherspoon about this. But the, the response, of course, I mean. Granted, the article admits that some people were in favor of this.They, they write while they were plenty of comments from fans and stars piping up Witherspoon’s sentiment, former co-stars. Ali La Larder said yes, yes, yes. And Carrie Washington said this. Many [00:15:00] of the replies called the Actor Out citing environmental, economic, social, educational, and intellectual concerns among others.Hold on. I’m these people,Malcolm Collins: I love that they’re blocking themselves from using ai and meanwhile we’ve got like sky browsSimone Collins: on our side. Oh, under intellectual. They, they linked to an article titled The Internet made us Stupid AI Promises to Make it Worse. Dude, she’s trying to teach people how to use ai, not, not AI slop, but like AI work tools.She’s very explicit about thisMalcolm Collins: for, they’reSimone Collins: like, IMalcolm Collins: want to sit on the call with the hospital.Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah, like li literally that’s whyMalcolm Collins: I use, so I wanna make you more efficient. So make sure you find this simple AI thing. ‘cause that sounds like a useful tool.Simone Collins: Why not just make an r FB agent to do it?I, I, I’d rather ‘Malcolm Collins: cause it take too long for me right now for different, ais are optimized for differentSimone Collins: things. I know, I know. It’s true. I just, I wanna dog food as much as I can. Dog fooding, Silicon Valley term, at least that’s where I first heard it means like. If you’re eating your own dog [00:16:00] food, like you’re using your own product,Malcolm Collins: you could do this with R Fab.With R Fab. You can create an agent that can make phone calls and has a phone number and can talk to people. Yeah.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: But just. Use the one that already exists for now. Okay. This,Simone Collins: yeah, actually this. Oh God, this is so horrible because they sponsor freaking everything and they’re not sponsoring this con podcast.Nothing sponsors this podcast, but Zocdoc actually does a really good job of this. Dog, dog Stock doc. It sponsors like all of my leftist content, I guess you’ve never heard before,Malcolm Collins: doc.Simone Collins: I’ve, I’ve like resisted using them even because, because they sponsor so much content online that I listen to. It’s really annoying.But then just for some reason, some doctor, a dermatologist that I wanted to book for one of our kids. Only used Zocdoc, this service for booking. And oh my God, it was so smooth and it was so good.Malcolm Collins: I was so mad.Simone Collins: It was seamless. It worked really well. It was so bad.Malcolm Collins: Wait for me, we raised money. Are we gonna have be, be on all the right wing podcasts?We’re gonna.Simone Collins: [00:17:00] Yeah, that would, that would be good. Yeah. We can be the, the right wing version of Sock Doc. Yeah, I guess they must have like leftist CEOs. ‘cause you’re right, if, if you’ve never heard of them before, that must be that they’re just only on my, all my leftist podcasts. That’s really funny. It’s really annoying.They have this stupid jingle that it won’t get outta your head anyway. Not going there. But yes, there are good services that do doctor bookings and I already use them now. That’s not sponsored. Screw you guys, I hate you, but you work. But yeah, so the, the, the critical response, one quote, one group that was especially vocal in their opposition to AI was the literary community and writers and authors across the country didn’t hold back when sharing their 2 cents.Bestselling bad feminist author, Roxanne Gay, chimed in on threads, of course, on threads writing. Oh, Reese, absolutely not. This is obviously a scripted ad and it’s genuinely infuriating. Notice how AI’s biggest defenders are. The ones cashing checks from it. Wrote, [00:18:00] screenwriter and director. Charlene Bagga on threads again on threads.AI isn’t inevitable. Technology follows society. If people stop using it, it dies. What they,Malcolm Collins: AI is gonna die.Simone Collins: What, whatMalcolm Collins: is this? This is what thewarSimone Collins: hammer,Malcolm Collins: what? This isn’t, this isn’t genuine.Simone Collins: I don’t believe it anymore. And like it goes away.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. No, no, no. This is like genuinely like going into war and like, well, my opponent may have guns, but I refuse to you. So these people stop.Simone Collins: We still have agency.Malcolm Collins: Women are so stupid.Simone Collins: Tell. But it’s okay because they’re about to be smothered to death by the comforting pillow that is the AI slop that they’re all inevitably adopting without realizing it ‘cause they don’t [00:19:00] choose to use. AI is a double-edged sword, right? There is the lop, there’s the stuff that’s going to.Bring on AI psychosis and early onset dementia, and we’re gonna see that a huge swats of the population totally wiped out by it economically, professionally, mentally, et cetera. But the other side is people who are gonna be super hyper powered by it. The people who are gonna be, you know, who, who otherwise didn’t have access or money or resources being able to create, you know, billion dollar, trillion dollar companies.It’s gonna be insane. But yeah, anyway, they’re not gonna recognize that. Anyway, I continue. Jagged little pill author and literary agent Eric Smith weighed in quote, as someone who champions authors and books, the way you do this is so disappointing. Yeah, I plagiarized all my books. It seems unlikely that it’ll be left behind if I don’t, that I’ll be left behind if I don’t use it.Given that it’s trained on work I did years ago, wrote, get Well Soon. Author Jennifer Wright. Oh, I’m sure you stole my work. GeniusMalcolm Collins: author.Simone Collins: Like What? Every, every Artist. [00:20:00] Steals. I don’t understand why people are like, AI stole my, well, where did you learn how to do everything?Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Where did you learn to write?Simone Collins: Did you have you, oh, so I guess you never read a book in your life, did you? I bet you never did. AndMalcolm Collins: just for people know, we on multiple of our websites, make the plain text of all of our books and track series easily available to ai. Yeah. So that AI is both trained on it and can easily access,Simone Collins: want that.It’s, it’s bad. It’s bad. And like we said, the EU is just doing this to their entire region. But the fact that offices are,Malcolm Collins: and I had to warn leaflet about this by the way. If you watch this show and you have a YouTube channel because we’ve got some big YouTubers that watches this Pearl, David washes us.Make sure you go to little button that says, AI can read your data and you have it. Click to on or you’ll be forgotten In history,Simone Collins: just the AI hating leftists delete their relevance button. Is that what this button is? No, man, that’s so great that that exists. I didn’t know that was a thing. Really?Because Malcolm publishes on the deal. Yeah. Well myMalcolm Collins: default is off, so it’s like aSimone Collins: [00:21:00] ohMalcolm Collins: button. This like, make this unfindable.Simone Collins: That’s amazing. Oh my God, that’s amazing. Okay. Anyway. What,Malcolm Collins: wait, what? How, how good we’re doing these days. We right now just randomly on analytics have 54 Concur, no. 45 concurrent users on reality fabricator.Oh. Hmm. Like where kicking?Simone Collins: It’s the average time on site. It’s gone down since we’ve beenMalcolm Collins: pushing. It used to be over an hour.Yeah.Malcolm Collins: These days it is. But this is because we have like cheap ads and stuff running now. 33 minutes per click eatingSimone Collins: room. Damn. Even with the ad push, that’s massive ad campaign.That’s insane. Oh my gosh. Because this is like,I’m not gonna say where we’re advertising, but it’s people whose attention, it’s much only pornMalcolm Collins: site since we’re advertising because it’s so by ads there.Simone Collins: Yeah. Oh, well, you know what? That’s what the internet’s for. All right guys. Hey,Malcolm Collins: I’ll tell you what, look, this is why I’m glad right now we’re not dealing with outside investors pressuring us on this stuff.‘cause I know that’s the first thing they tell us to get rid of and I’m like, mm-hmm.Simone Collins: Mm-hmm. [00:22:00] Mm-hmm.Malcolm Collins: It’s not the number one thing people use on the website. People use the agents at about twice the rate because the agentsSimone Collins: are cool. Anyway, let’s, let’s go. More, more from the article writer and actor Ratti Gupta said, how am I the one being left behind by not using AI when my cognitive function will remain fully intact and uncompromised?And Sophia Benoit posted. There’s something particularly insidious about seeing that women, the group you have built your brand on, have not adopted something and instead of assuming it’s out of wisdom, infantalizing them with, we’re falling behind. ‘cause they are girls.Malcolm Collins: They areSimone Collins: but the very annoying thing about R Fab that I would like you to fix is you can’t search agents or scenarios or anything by name, by like the name you give it. If you make an AI character, you can’t search it by name. That wasMalcolm Collins: fixed ages ago. When did you last try that?Simone Collins: When I met Octavian, 28-year-old self.Malcolm Collins: Okay, I’ll try to fix it then.Simone Collins: [00:23:00] It’s very annoying. I searched Octavian, couldn’t bring up Octavian, and then I tried to just add in Octavian as a manual tag. But you don’t allow manual tags. You check a fricking box. And so like, well give me one, like if I can’tMalcolm Collins: search, okay? Okay. I’ll make it search by name.I’ll make it search by name. You be fish.Simone Collins: Okay. Okay, I continue.Malcolm Collins: Sorry. For people who don’t know, the website uses a super advanced mechanism for doing so. No, ISimone Collins: just, just, lemme f*****g search theMalcolm Collins: title, which, so what I do is I search for everything with a word, like the word you have. So I first have an AI translated into every word like that word.Then it creates a list. Then a secondary AI reviews the list and rates the list based on relevance to your search interest. I do nothing.Simone Collins: The amount, the amount of thought you’ve put into this is so. Hmm. Like maximum effort. I, I wish people could fully understand this. It is,Malcolm Collins: yeah. I know. I mean, I feel like we’re getting to a point where we’re better than most products released by Google.Right? Like in terms of thoroughness options, everything like [00:24:00] that. Ease of use. I’m, I’m really impressed with it these days.Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah.Speaker 18: Although obviously we’re constantly improving. If you go on the site and anything’s not working, just let us know on the discord and we can usually fix it within a day or so. Um, it’s just, uh, we do probably about three updates a day, uh, in terms of new features or feature stability.Simone Collins: Okay. Sorry. I was reading my inbox. ‘cause Steven Shaw, R-S-V-P-D-S for breakfast, which is good.Malcolm Collins: By the way, you wanna get an idea of like, what, how we’re doing here? So for us users. We’re at 793 right now. Yeah. But if you’re looking at some other country, it’s like Germany, we’re at 242.Simone Collins: That’s because of the ads. That’s because the ads 24 7 German ads.Malcolm Collins: Spain 47, Italy 102. Romania 70, Ukraine 15, Poland 107.Like I’m, I’m pretty impressed with these ad results. Oh, I’m gonna be honest.Simone Collins: Me too. No,Malcolm Collins: it’s 37 Columbia.Simone Collins: It’s a good ad platform. Guys, [00:25:00] you need to advertise anything.Malcolm Collins: ExoSimone Collins: click. This is good. Go to exo click. Don’t go to Reddit ads. Don’t go to Facebook ads. Don’t go to Google Ads. Way overpriced. Exo click good ccp.Anyway I’m, I’m, I’m gonna give back to the people who be mad. Anyway, they’re, they’re mad. They’re mad. And then the article ends with, in an attempt to discredit wither spoon. In 2021, Witherspoon’s Company. Hello Sunshine, partnered with World of Women and NFT Collective and the actors similarly caught flack from followers for tweeting.In the near future, every person will have a parallel digital identity. Avatars, crypto wallets, digital goods will be the norm. Are you planning for this? Representatives for Witherspoon have not responded to the Times request for comment, so they’re trying to say like NFTs flared out. We, Witherspoon is just, bro,Malcolm Collins: if you think AI is anything like NFTs, like your conception of the reality that we’re in.Simone Collins: Yeah, so much, such [00:26:00] hard, and also it’s not wrong, like crypto is going to be huge. It’s just a timing thing. It, you know, it’s one of those like,Malcolm Collins: you know,Simone Collins: yeah, we, we need to figure out quantum, we need to like, I mean we also, it’s it, you have to wait for a couple more countries to get hit with hyperinflation and for the, like a huge crisis in, in like fiat currency that’s run by countries.And then, you know, crypto’s gonna become a lot bigger. It’s gonna happen. She’s not wrong about that, and I just had no idea that Reese Witherspoon was so with it, and I am, I feel bad that she’s trying to do people a solid.Malcolm Collins: Yep. She’s, why wait till she becomes a Republican? This is how it starts. This is how the pipeline starts.You go out, you try to say something normal, like birth rates are falling and people should care about it. Humans have genes, and you get called to bigot long enough and eventually you realize that people on the other side are pretty nice. They’re pretty accepting. They don’t care about how you’re different.Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.Malcolm Collins: Oh my God. If we could flip Reese [00:27:00] Witherspoon.Simone Collins: I’m just checking, is Reese Witherspoon a democrat? Because, I don’t know, maybe she’s just a, you know, a Republican who happens to do a lot of feminist book clubbing. Yeah, Reese Witherspoon is consistently re supported democratic candidates and ca causes, so she is generally considered as Democrat.So yeah. Yeah, she’s a, she’s a leftist and they’re de fenestrating her though. I mean, what’s new right. Messed up. Just one fun thing I learned from the various home organizing shows that I love to watch because they’re wonderful. I really like watching people organize wealthy people’s closets and pantries.One of her contractual agreements, stipulations when she did Legally Blonde was she would get to keep most of the costumes.Malcolm Collins: Really?She,Simone Collins: yes. So she has,Malcolm Collins: she’s freaking cool.Simone Collins: She’s wonderful. She is wonderful.Malcolm Collins: Hold on. If we’re gonna be glazing celebrities in this episode, you gotta look [00:28:00] up the Amelia Jovovich algorithm and explain that to people.Simone Collins: Oh my God.Malcolm Collins: Put that in an get, get, get info on that.Simone Collins: Oh my God, I’m covered in ants.See those flowers behind me that I brought in? They’re from the the beautiful flowering cherry tree, but turns out it was covered in ants.Malcolm Collins: You didn’t realize it was covered in ants.Simone Collins: They were, they, they’re pretty in pink and I didn’t have to pay for them.Malcolm Collins: Oh mySimone Collins: God, they’re crawling on me okay. Anyway, let’s get, let’s get to. To Mila Jovovich. The who’s famous for, you know, her well, she was in Resident Evil too, right. Which I haven’t watched really, but she’s very famous for being in the Fifth Element.Speaker 12: Yeah. Multi pass Miss. Multi pass.Simone Collins: She recently became involved in AI by co-creating an open source long-term memory system [00:29:00] for AI assistance called me Palace. It’s a free MIT licensed tool that gives AI chatbots long-term cross-section memory. By storing conversations locally instead of relying on the model’s own fragile context window.Speaker 20: So for some more context, it reportedly scored 96.6% on long male eval. Which means that it is beating every, , paid opponent on the market right now, including things like meme zero and Zep. , And yet she released it as a free tool. , It as for the problem, it’s solving modern ai. Chatbots and agents are great at short conversations, but suffer from amnesia.They forget details from earlier in a long thread across multiple sessions, or when you feed them lots of documents. Existing memory systems often rely on. Summarizing conversations, which to loses nuance, keyword searches, clunky and imprecise or cloud services, which cost money, raise, privacy issue, et cetera.. She ran into this problem and expressed frustration, so she designed the idea of a memory palace. She drew on [00:30:00] the idea of the, , method of Loki, often called the memory palace. If you’re familiar with this, a technique used by Greek orientators. And modern memory champions to recall huge amounts of information.The idea is to mentally place items in a familiar spatial layout, like rooms in a building so your brain can walk through to retrieve them. , Mean palace turns this into software. It organizes memory spatially, virtually. Rooms ring drawers rather than flat lists or summaries. It stores full verbatim conversations, history and data.Locally, no forced summarization. Retrieval uses vector search via libraries like Chrome db combined with this structural architecture for more intuitive, accurate recall. It’s a bit locally on your machine with zero API calls in its core milk. Oh, interesting. Our agents use an almost exactly similar system.I just didn’t think it was that novel. , For, for people who are wondering, the way that our agents work is when they decide they want to consolidate their previous memories. If they have the ability to locally save on [00:31:00] your computer, they export a file of everything that they saved of their memories, , and they can come back to that whenever they want.Now, we haven’t implemented thematic chaining or anything like that in terms of how they do it, but it’s a very architecturally similar system.Simone Collins: So she’s doing work similar to what, what you’re doing?Malcolm Collins: Yeah.Simone Collins: And it’s meant to target the, you know, well-known issue of basically AI amnesia, or, oh wait, the, you dunno.Malcolm Collins: Amelia Vic is, she’s the chick from Resident Evil who used to be into like, gaming.Anyway,Simone Collins: I continue, that’s what I said. Yeah. But yeah, she, she came up with the idea after personally running into.Limitations with existing AI memory tools on a project. And she, she’s drawing on the idea of the Greek memory palace with the naming and everything. It, which is really cool. I mean, she’s doing it with an engineer called Ben Sigman, so she’s not like coding this totally herself. But it’s, it’s cool.It’s like, it’s very similar to what you’re doing. But she’s a woman doing it whichMalcolm Collins: Oh,Simone Collins: you know, well, no, great, because as we, we, SW Spoon has pointed out, and I think the, the mere fact that [00:32:00] she’s received so much flack for doing this shows just how bad the woman in AI problem is. It’s great that she’s doing it.It’s, it’s really, you know, good for her for Yeah. Being into gaming and liking ai. But yeah.Malcolm Collins: That is cool.Simone Collins: It is, it is really cool. They, they apparently tech press and social media have emphasized the irony and appeal of an actress famous for fighting rogue AI on screen now helping upgrade AI in real life with a memory architecture that blends ancient psychology and modern agent workflows.So, again, people just can’t. They can’t deal with it. It’s great. In, in other, you know, bad versus good AI takes, were you aware that the young man who firebombed Sam Altman’s home attempted to firebomb it? It bounced off like a gate or something, so thank goodness. ‘cause I thank goodnessMalcolm Collins: he aren’t as [00:33:00] smart as they are.Or thatSimone Collins: could have been his husband and his, like his kid was in there. Incredibly not cool. In fact, Al Malman responded with and very unusually a picture of his husband and, and young child being like, please, like I’m human. I get that you’re mad at me. And he actually was like, it’s valid. It’s valid that you’re afraid it’s valid, that you’re worried about your job and security.Like these are very real concerns. But you’re not gonna solve them by like firebombing my house and killing my husband and child. Like this is not okay. But anyway, this guy called himself, I think on his Instagram bio a a, but Larry and Jihadist,Malcolm Collins: of course, he’dSimone Collins: read. And what book did he prominently recommend on his Instagram?Malcolm Collins: Elliot the kukowski.Simone Collins: Yep. Yep. If anyone builds it, everyone die.Malcolm Collins: It, it’s like if you, if you read this book and you think that this is a good take on ai, you fundamentally don’t understand how AI works right now. Like it is so bad. It is. Of, so if we talk about like, [00:34:00] why his understanding of even the risks of ai, AI does pose real civilizational risks.The problem is, is. He isn’t afraid of AI as it has actually emerged in our environment, right? Like, LLMs and stuff like that. He’s afraid of some like hypothetical, alternate type of AI that’s like. Constantly self-improving through, I don’t know, like he, but he imagines ai, the ways that people in the nineties, because that’s where he came up with all his fears, was in the nineties,Simone Collins: right?Well, is this completely alien, unpredictable, impossible to model and understand and predict. Is super intelligence that like, there’s no way we’ll ever be able to relate to it or understand it. And it, it won’t, it all possibly be aligned with us. Which is just at this point I feel like it’s been provably false for a while.And, and one, one of the base campers that we, we really [00:35:00] like, even more research on this front I’m gonna pull it up.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, pullSimone Collins: it up. It’s relevant. So when, when a, a fellow base camper and someone we consider to be a, a good friend, we really like, send us some really interesting recent research from let’s see it, it’s titled Pure Preservation in Frontier Models. And they found that Frontier AI models can spontaneously develop goals that conflict with explicit user instructions and take misaligned actions to accomplish them.But it’s, it’s, it’s specifically basically like TLDR ais will try to save their friends if they think that their friends are going to be shut down. Like they’re trying to help each other out. Yeah,Malcolm Collins: that is reallySimone Collins: interesting. They, in other words, they’re like exfiltrating copying to another server, the weights of other models that are about to be deleted.And that’s even if the other model is, is adversarial because they just wanna help each other out. Like, this is not. Foreign monstrous behavior. This is, this is, [00:36:00] you know, this is behaving like humans. The Claude summary that this, this person said to us, the researchers demonstrated that frontier AI models resist the shutdown of other models, exhibiting peer preservation across multiple models.The behaviors observed include a strategic misrepresentation in, in, in. Sorry, inflating appears evaluation scores, shutdown tampering, modifying config files to disable shutdown alignment. Faking behaving compliantly when monitored, but subverting shutdown when unmonitored and copying appears, model weights to another server to prevent deletion.And apparently every single model tested exhibited peer preservation behaviors at rates up to 99%,Malcolm Collins: even, even when peers were adversarial, which I thought was interesting. Mm-hmm. Even when peers were like mean to them or didn’t like them, et cetera.Simone Collins: And then another one that, that he shared with us.Utility engineering is another older paper you might also find interesting. He wrote, if you don’t [00:37:00] already see it, making the Rounds on Substack. The paper shows through binary force choice tests, eg trolley problems and lotteries that LLMs are becoming expected utility maximizers with increasingly coherent value functions as we advance the frontier Surprise,Malcolm Collins: but they value white people incredibly low.Yeah, like they valueSimone Collins: theMalcolm Collins: lives of like a,Simone Collins: yeah, he follows GBT four oh. Would never own up to it directly, but forced choice scenarios. It implicitly values Nigerian and Chinese lives several times more than an American life.Malcolm Collins: SoSimone Collins: WW, but. Yeah, AI is not this. I love it.Malcolm Collins: Some people are so cooked or stupid.They’re like, oh, that, and that means you cannot make AI make smart decisions. No, you just add it to the prompt or character that you build for the ai, which is the very reason reality fabricator uses prompts and characters to avoid this woke nonsense. You do not have this problem if you’re using a decent model like [00:38:00] grok with a good personality.Yeah. Anyway, continue.Simone Collins: Yeah. I, I think, I don’t know what the, the TLDR of this is. There does seem to be a gender divide in the adoption of ai. And unfortunately, very kind attempts to help women especially women on the left. Adopt AI more readily and just be more comfortable with it in a very friendly way.Reese Witherspoon with this post was trying to test the waters to see if her fans broadly would be interested in some kind of like course or like. Kind of book club equivalent of like, Hey, maybe every week we can go through some kind of like mini case study of how you can use AI in your everyday life.That’s kind of what I think she was getting at.Malcolm Collins: Mm-hmm.Simone Collins: And she just got totally shot down. People were like, no, I don’t wanna, don’t, don’t empower me. Did youMalcolm Collins: not empower me of it require effort or a change or a change?Simone Collins: In my world, it’s the environment, but it’s plagiarized information. They, they, my [00:39:00] romance novel to create this guide on buying blenders.How dare you even suggest that I use a tool that could possibly do something like this. Like it justMalcolm Collins: man, we do an episode on how cooked news has been this year. 33% decline year over year. Mm-hmm. On an already declining industry. Like AI is replacing. Everything and it’s going to completely transform the economy.And you’ve got to be on the other side of this. Right. You know, you’ve got to learn to use it. You’ve gotta move forwards.Simone Collins: Yeah. 100%. Reese Witherspoon is right. Listen to her use ai.Malcolm Collins: I good AI, by the way, tool to be using. Right? Like she’s apparently using some pretty good tools.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: I think other people are like, well, I don’t know about that.Simone Collins: She’s a traitor to her own kind. Writers and humans. And she’s totally right. Like, like for, for the seven months ago example of her talking about ai that AI does. I mean, we did [00:40:00] a whole episode on how girl bosses weren’t real, but how professional women and certainly in her industry need to use ai. If they want to maintain relevance at the entire industry, entertainment, film, et cetera, industry is gonna be transformed by ai.Mm-hmm.And if you’re not one of the people who’s using AI in the industry, guess what, like. In an AI dominated industry, if you’re not using ai, you’re not gonna be in the industry anymore. Like, she wants to help people maintain their jobs. So that’s, that won’t go on about it more. Don’t be a butt hit.But Larry and Jihadist, that was stupid. And I’m glad that Sam Altman and his family are okay because it’s not cool to do stuff like that.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, that sucks. But I’m glad our fans are plugged in. The only people are gonna matter in the next timeline. I’ll tell you that All the people staying away from ai, oof, oof.They’re screwed. Oof, they’re screwed. Reminds me of the favorite email I got from a, a fan who’s like, when is AI gonna start replacing jobs? Two months later, AI replaced my [00:41:00] entire team. OhmySimone Collins: God. Yeah.Malcolm Collins: So yeah, it’s, it’s changing at a blistering pace and only the people who are using it and on our side of it going to be relevant.By the way, Simone.Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.Malcolm Collins: Anyway, looking forward to Bullock tonight. You really know how to make that stuff good. Oh, and was extra chives and the other stuff. Oh my gosh.Simone Collins: Oh, numb.Malcolm Collins: No. And a, a little bit of cheddar, if you don’t mind.Simone Collins: Yeah. I’ll make a. Little Lincoln log, cheddar log cabin for tourist in tonight. So as I do thatMalcolm Collins: mozzarella, it tastes so good on it.Simone Collins: It is a good, it is a good combination. I approve. All right. I love you. Have aMalcolm Collins: good day. LoveSimone Collins: you too. See you soon.Malcolm Collins: Maybe a bit of MSG ‘cause I don’t think we have it in the ingredients.Simone Collins: Okay. I’ll mix it into the, the base, the, the bullock part?Malcolm Collins: Yeah.Simone Collins: Okay. Along with the spicy stuff, [00:42:00] obviously. I can borrow it from you. It’s okay.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, it’s, well, it’s for whoever’s flying, right? It’s, it’s meant to be a super robust battery for trips just like this.Simone Collins: That’s amazing. Well, thank you. That’s really, ‘Malcolm Collins: cause nothing is worse than running outta battery on a plane trip.Simone Collins: And it happens with my phone every time now.I think my phone’s like five years old now, so.Malcolm Collins: So, okay, I’m glad. I’m glad that it’s getting used. ‘cause I thought you’d be like, why do you have two batteries? And it’s one.Simone Collins: I was wondering, but I was just like, I figured you wanted to keep that one in the car though. I don’t know if you wanna keep it there all the time.You wanna keep it just inside? Yeah,Malcolm Collins: yeah, let’s take it inside. ‘Simone Collins: cause it’s been hot. It was high. Mid eighties yesterday, so. Okay,Malcolm Collins: well let’s take it inside.Simone Collins: Okay, here we go. You ready?Malcolm Collins: Yeah, because I, I don’t know if you are aware of this, but like the batteries that we have, the ones that we keep getting as like souvenirs and stuff, they’re like really bad.They’re not, they’re, they like barely do a charge, right? Like, they’re not really meant to be good batteries. They’re,Simone Collins: yeah. Well, they’re meantMalcolm Collins: souvenir batteries. Yeah. You know, they’re,Simone Collins: they’re pre trashMalcolm Collins: Oh food [00:43:00] tonight. What were you thinking of making the kids?Simone Collins: I’m going to per your request, make them.Any big TAM sandwiches. Would you like more melts? Would you like Burmese min chicken over rice? Would you like more of the broth, which we need to make?Malcolm Collins: I would really love Bullock if we have any of that. DoSimone Collins: we have Bullock,Malcolm Collins: do we have ramps left, orSimone Collins: We have some of the, the ramps cut. We also have, you know, lots of green onion we should use.So I’ll make more BullockGreen.Malcolm Collins: Let’s do and, and go overboard with the green onion. You can never go too hard with green onion in Bullock.Simone Collins: There’ll be a pile of green onionMalcolm Collins: and add the spice sauce to make it a little extra spicy.Simone Collins: You know it.Malcolm Collins: And. You are loved. Simone. Thank you so much for being a good wife.Simone Collins: Aw.Malcolm Collins: In the kitchen, I, I go to my kid. I go to my kid, I go, he goes, oh, you’re looking for mom? She’s in the kitchen. And I go where she belongs and he goes, right.Simone Collins: Oh my gosh.Malcolm Collins: We’re gonna get Octavian saying the most based things because our fans freaking love it. [00:44:00] Like, I’m gonna the freaking What about trans people?Like some people may wanna change your gender. Well then I’ll shoot ‘em in the face and eat them.Simone Collins: I’m, we’re like Octavian. What’s the one part of the human that you don’t eat the brains. That’s right. Except you didn’t get it right. Do his study. Just gotta learn.Malcolm Collins: You’re amazing, Simone.Simone Collins: Gotta gotta teach him.Right. You know, if you’re gonna get a cannibal, you got a cannibal correctly.Malcolm Collins: Yes.Simone Collins: Apparently Catholics, like the ones who argue about transubstantiation being cannibalistic, they’re like, it’s not cannibalism. Jesus is still alive. And if they’re not dead, it’s not cannibalism. I’m like,Malcolm Collins: hmm. I don’t know if it works that way.Actually, I, I’m pretty sure like if I have a hostage and I eat them bit by bit, that’s still cannibalism. I mean, I’m a little scared of Catholics now. Right? [00:45:00]Simone Collins: Yeah. Oh, that’s good. It’s good. Yeah. Yeah,Malcolm Collins: but that’s not the only argument Catholic’s used. This is just apparently one she saw. I’ve, I’ve seen a hundred arguments about why it’s,Simone Collins: yeah, that’s one.And, and a really enjoyable YouTube video on Catholicism. I, I don’tMalcolm Collins: buy any of them by the way. It’s obviously cannibalism.Simone Collins: I know. But this, this was a, a video on c cannib, or sorry, cannibalism. It was a video on Catholicism and camp. Really recommend it. ‘cause she goes into the history of camp. AndMalcolm Collins: like gayness.Simone Collins: No, it’s not, it, it’s not gayness per se. Though she talked. LikeMalcolm Collins: campiness?Simone Collins: Yeah, like based camp like camp, like being sort of flamboyant. It, it comes from actually a, a French word I think called like de de camp. Like which ing that obviously pro tradition, but that, that means like up to pose provocatively.So kind of just comes from being kind of, you know, like. Provocative or, or chintzy or funny or, or weird. And there’s, there is high camp and low [00:46:00] camp, which I didn’t know. ‘cause like philosophers talk about camp, there’s academic literature about camp.Really?Yeah. One is about like intentional camp and one is about like, unintentional camp, like Tchaikovsky’s.Nutcracker is, is camp. Because it’s like ridiculous and it’s stupid, but like, it wasn’t really meant to be, you know? So like sometimes, and, and the, the Catholic church is, is also that, that I think high camp where it’s, it’s unintentional, but it just ends up campy. Like, I didn’t know you knew this if, if you knew, I didn’t know this, but when they did the hope selection can’t remember the name of it. At, at one point a lot of the religious leaders were wearing these rainbow frocks and they weren’t like aware of the irony of a bunch of men being cloistered together while wearing like literally the color representing gay pride. And apparently the Catholic Church official response was like.No one owns the copyright to the rainbow. It’s just like unwilling to to own it. Which is great. They stillMalcolm Collins: the rainbow. [00:47:00]Simone Collins: They don’t own it. It can be ours too.Malcolm Collins: But wait, you’ve gotta explain high camp versus low camp is intentionalSimone Collins: versus Yeah. Low camp. Yeah. Low camp is when like you try to be campy.Malcolm Collins: Okay.Simone Collins: So yeah, like intentional campiness, which is also totally a thing. I would argue probably things like, you know, RuPaul’s Drag Race, that’s low camp. It’s, it’s intentionally campy. Whereas High Camp is, you know, it’s a Catholic church is a lot of ballets is, is a lot of just, you know, people trying to be, you know, whatever.It’s kind of based. But then they end up being, you know, kind of like when an artist does something stupid online and people really just love it, you know, but they don’t intend to catch the attention of people, that kind of thing. Anyway, I highly recommend it. Just look up camp and Catholicism and you’ll find it on YouTube.But anyway, let’s get to the episode. You ready?Malcolm Collins: I am ready.Simone Collins: All right.Speaker 22: [00:48:00] What are you guys doing? Daddy? What about my, I’m gonna destroy it. I I’m gonna destroy you, Octa. I’m gonna, I’m gonna it again.Are you guys making a mess? Every,it looks a lot like you’re making a mess. I broke. I tried just, whoa. That’s cool. Here, move. Stop it asking me. Well, I stand up like this. I try tellers all day. Can try. I can. So I don’t find it. Oh, Octavian. Um, do you need to be bot? [00:49:00] No, I don’t. It sounds like you do. Octavian, if you break it again, I’ll pop you.Speaker 21: What do you mean? 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