EPISODE · Sep 12, 2025 · 16 MIN
Reimagining Legal Billing Innovation: Value Over Hours
from BDO's Legal Tech Talk Podcast
Guest Information:Tiffani Hamilton Huynh, Head of Legal Operations at DHL. Tiffani is a highly motivated, resourceful and results-oriented leader with demonstrated accomplishments in providing solutions with a key focus on customer satisfaction, business value, quality and long-term supportability. Ability to thrive in dynamic environments while remaining practical and flexible in meeting customer and enterprise needs.Guest LinkedIn:Tiffani Huynh | LinkedInPodcast TakeawaysLegal Ops Evolution: Tiffani’s experience highlights how legal operations can grow alongside an organization, adapting to new business needs and leveraging cross-functional expertise, especially in logistics.Value-Based Billing: Moving away from hourly billing requires a fundamental shift in mindset. Success metrics, transparency with outside counsel, and a focus on outcomes (not just hours) are essential.Role of Data: Data is the backbone of persuasion and change. Internal, external, and benchmark data help legal teams make informed decisions, negotiate fair rates, and demonstrate value to stakeholders.AI’s Potential: While AI wasn’t a focal point in the session, Tiffani notes its potential to help define value by analyzing historical data and identifying trends across practice areas, countries, and attorneys.Collaboration & Trust: Building trust between legal ops and internal lawyers is crucial. Recommendations based on data are more readily accepted when relationships are strong and expertise is respected.Benchmarking for Change: Benchmarking rates internally and externally provides leverage for negotiations and ensures consistency and fairness in pricing models.Conference Value: The RLLB conference offers unique opportunities for networking, learning, and validation. Tiffani plans to share her learnings with her team and GC, driving continuous improvement.Giving Back: Tiffani emphasizes the importance of sharing knowledge gained at industry events, fostering a culture of learning and innovation within her organization.
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This is a special episode of BDO’s Legal Talk podcast, recorded live at the Running Legal Like a Business (RLLB) 2025 conference. Hosts Daniel Gold and Eric Derk sit down with Tiffani Hamilton Huynh, Head of Legal Operations at DHL, for an insightful conversation about the evolution of legal operations, the shift toward value-based billing, and the role of data and relationships in transforming legal service delivery. Tiffani shares her journey growing legal ops at DHL, discusses the challenges and opportunities of moving away from the traditional billable hour, and explains how benchmarking, transparency, and trust are key to driving change. Plus, hear her reflections on the RLLB conference and how she plans to bring new ideas back to her team.
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