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Talking with, you know, somebody who's literally traveling on the highway for like the sixth day in a row after battling a racetrack and car and all this stuff with one life in America things. But randomly I get this like weird click, click, click. And I haven't figured it out why, but I appreciate those who have for the few for the few pieces of the shows that have bared through listening to them. I apologize about that. We're trying to figure it out.
I don't know what it is. I think it's the phone. I think it's probably the cell signal coming into the phone that's being picked up by the device. It's got to be something weird like that. So I've tried a different placement of the phone versus the mic, and I can't figure it out. It might be a stupid SD card, too. I haven't had time to pick up a new one. Anyway, we've got some guests. Yep. We've got Matt Jones, also known as Jonesy, and Andrew Raines. Man, I thought I was Jonesy. You're not Jonesy. Okay. You're not Jonesy.
I guess I don't get to be jealous anymore. You're just everyone's jabutty. Yeah, the jabutty. First, I want to say that, Andrew, you shared some exciting news with us right before we started recording. What is your big news for the next couple of weeks? I got the suspension disassembled on my dirt bike. That's not what you were talking about, was it? No, it's not. I was going to say, he's working on a dirt bike right now. We got a ticket for Good Life Midwest Festival, for GLTC, so coming up to race with all the buddies at Gingerbread.
The last event you did with CMP, is that right? It was, absolutely. You did solid, too. People were like, damn, that E46 is better than the sum of its parts. I heard it from like half a dozen people. The car's good. It's fun to watch.
The other person online is Matt Jones, who's new to the Gridlife universe, but we wanted to have him on the show to talk a little bit about cars. Maybe trailers as well. Maybe trailers as well. It's more fun to talk about cars, though. You were just at Road America. How did that go for you? Yeah, it was fun. I went with MVP track time with Mark Pfeffer as some little HPDE up there. New tarmac for this year. How is it? How is it? You know, super smooth.
and not rubbered in yet. So not as fast. So the guys that actually know what they're doing were telling me they're probably about 10 seconds a lap slower. No, I don't believe that. I don't believe it for a second. Now, it was kind of rainy, overcast, wet on Saturday, most of Saturday, and then it was pretty nice on Sunday. And so I don't know. I got to ride in a Viper with a 9 liter in a sequential gearbox. And that guy, it sounds like he runs up there quite a bit. And last year he was running a 222. And this is pretty fast.
We didn't have open lap, but he ran a 231 or something. And the tires looked really good at the end of the day. So it looked like there wasn't a whole lot of rubber coming off and I didn't have, what do you guys call those rubber pellets? We call them fractures. Yeah, the OPR, other people's rubber. Yes, there wasn't a whole lot of OPR spraying everywhere. But it was super fun. I'm sure over the next several weeks, it'll get probably more rubbered in, I guess, throughout this season. And yeah, going down into...
Turn 12, I think that's Canada Corner. Usually that's pretty bumpy or coming in, pretty hot right there for that right-hander, and that's real smooth now. There's not that little dip in the road right under the Corvette Bridge that you used to feel before the turn in. Obviously early May is still kind of spring-ish for Elkhart Lake. It's kind of a dice roll on whether the weather is good or not. Did you have really great weather? It was pretty rainy, overcast on Saturday. In the morning it was really coming down, but then that got better, and then Sunday was great. What kind of temperatures were you at?
It wasn't super cold. It was like 40s, 50s on Saturday and then 60s, 70s on Sunday. Sunday sounds pretty ideal. We haven't been there in a little over a year, a year and a half now at this point probably. We lost our October date last year because they were doing the repave. When they told us about the repave the year prior, I was like, this track's plenty smooth. What are you guys doing? We go to a bunch of tracks and a lot of tracks are way worse than that was. I'm really anxious to see it in, when are we going there? End of July? Yeah.
And we're going there with NASCAR and Carrera Cup. Our Touring Cup series is going to be a support series for Xfinity. It's not just Touring Cup. It's going to be a session of time attack as well, right? Oh, yeah. One run group of time attacks. So we'll have like 30, 35 cars of time attack. And I think we are going to be right around 62 to 65 cars of GLTC, which is going to be insane. Wow. Serious. Just so I get an idea, what's the equivalent to Benjamin? What's up?
if you run, if you said you run 60 cars, what do you, so our, our self-imposed limit is 25 cars a mile. So we could do pushing a hundred cars at road America, but we don't want, we literally don't want that mess. That's a potential mess, you know, um, a ginger man. I think the most we've ever had is 52, 53, which is a lot. It's a lot. And even if the cars are stacked up, it's like, um, on their way into 11 cars are taking the green before the last cars have made, uh, the corner. Yeah.
Um, yeah, the, uh, so with a single car or single class of wheel to wheel, like everybody's racing each other, you try to get them stacked up tight, but, uh, especially, you know, it's, it's especially hard when there's inclement weather, et cetera. But yeah, the most we've ever probably had that stacked up at Gingerman before the start finish stand and we're around turn 11 was probably the first year. And that was like 38. And after that, you just get the last 10 or 15 or they're definitely, they're pre-turn 11 before the green flag goes. It's just kind of just how it is. Adam, you'd have to check the stats on it, but it hasn't, um,
Wasn't the Watkins Glen event that we just did our largest field ever? I believe so. I think, what was it, 56 or something registered? 62? What I thought was really strange was the cars lined up perfectly on pit lane, and they weren't constrained for space at all, but the line of cars was very, very long. Pit lane at Watkins Glen is mega. It's bigger than a city block. It's so big. Oh, yeah. That place is just mighty. I've got a couple panoramic shots from the starter stand of the grid lined up. It's pretty wild. I'll drop in the group chat here.
I always get like nostalgic is not the right word, but I get a little, I don't know, sentimental or spend a little time thinking about like if you take a race start at in the starter stand at Watkins Glen, it's like, well, you know, that's that's not a place that everyone or even every motorsports fan gets to see. And so like every time you do it, you're like, well, you know, this feels a little special. Yeah, it was cool. It was very cool. That's cool. Especially places with that kind of history. We sure had a turd of a weather, though. Man, good. I listened to the podcast that you guys were talking about that. It sounds crazy. Man, we got wet. It was most of each day. It didn't rain hard. It just did not rain. It just freaking pissed on us all day. It was terrible. It sucks. We saw one of our BMWs up there with Ryan Power. Yeah, he did pretty well. He did great. He finished fifth overall on the weekend. Yeah, real good. Yeah, the whole time he was like, man, if I was in my Miata, this would be dicey.
Yeah. And the E46 is just, they're so forgiving. Yeah. Easy to drive. It's one of those cars I've never actually driven on track. It's like, I've driven a bunch of stuff, but never driven that. I drove Matt DeRuse's time attack car way back in the day. And it was like stock power. I've only, that was the only, at the time it was only the rear wheel drive car I'd ever driven on track. And so like, I was, I don't know, maybe a little skittish just because like, well, I'd never driven anything that like, if your, if your right foot wasn't steady, you could spin a car like the Evo. That's not a thing. So I was a little nervous, but it worked out.
It wasn't as fast as I was imagining that it would be. Yeah, there are still momentum cars in stock form, for sure. Like, right at that upper peak of power versus momentum, in my opinion, at least. But kind of everything is a momentum car, but they're just not crazy fast cars. They're pretty quick, but they're not crazy fast. Matt, you've not been on the racetrack for very long. What was the first car you decided to take to the track? Yeah, let's see. I mean, I guess of my own, that'd be the car that I have right now, the C7 Grand Sport. That's a stupid car to learn in. Jeez. Yes.
And I'm still learning. I'm, you know, I've never done any wheel to wheel stuff. It's all been stuff. So don't start. No, don't do it. Run away. Run away, man. Yeah. I need to not see you guys. So when, when Ashley and I like meet friends or friends of friends outside of grid life and they ask, you know, what we'd like to do or what we do on the weekends. And I talked to them even a little bit about cars. It's like, no, no, no, man, stay away. Like if you get involved in this at all, it will ruin your life. That's right. I guess we all hate money.
Well, I've just started joking with people that heroin would probably be a cheaper hobby. Well, I mean, yeah, it's maybe a little less safe, but like, definitely it could be cheaper. I mean, I just had new fenders painted for the front of my car. And then today I'm like, man, glad I kept those old fenders. Cause I really need to put 15 by 10s on if I want to go fast. And we have to get some fender flares and we'll cut off the old fenders. It's just a never ending curse, man. Especially when Jason Tipple texts you.
like that makes it even harder work as you spend, uh, or as much time as you spend, like modifying your car relative to driving it. I feel like wheels and wheels, not your thing. And time attack is a better sport for you. I don't think any of it's my thing anymore, but, um, yeah, it's a, it's just a never ending, you know, it's a never ending thought, thought project. And like, it's just that it's that it's just this particular car I've had for 20.
two years, 23 years or whatever. It just, it just becomes that other thing that you do, you know, you're like, okay, how do I make this car better, faster, more fun to drive and not burn up things as fast. So you've been driving the same car for 20 years today. Yeah. Yeah. I bought it in 2001. Yeah. Right after 9-11.
So what was your first track experience like with the Corvette? Something I have on the back burner is trying to do an article for TrackTuned to give more resources to people who want to learn about how to go to an event and what to do even before they get there. But tell me about your experience. You're like, I'm going to go on a track day. Did you have all your buddies with you who were telling you what to do? Or was it like you're by yourself? No way. I mean, I would have never done this had I not had buddies, right? Yes, exactly.
So, yeah, my first track day with the Corvette was at Road America. It was a cool first track day. Yes. Awesome. And, yeah, I would have absolutely never done something like this unless I had buddies that had done it, you know, and that's kind of that's what that's the.
I mean, you guys are calling it a curse, but you know that this is the most fun thing. It's an addiction, you know, but that's how you get into mountain biking. That's how you get into running. And that's how you get into everything is you have a buddy. We all have buddies. So I might have told you I might have told the story on the show before, but not to you. So if you've heard it before, bear with me. The reason that I am connected to motorsports and grid life at all is because on like one Thursday evening in Ohio in Xenia. So if you were in that area, you know that the kill care.
the drag strip in Xenia has test and tunes. And at the time they were 20 bucks, like once a week. And I think it was, I actually think it was my birthday, but Ashley was working late, my wife. And I was like, well, I mean, what am I going to do? And I had heard someone talk about kill care and I had never been to a drag strip in my life. I had never dragged a car ever. Not even like not street race, not anything. And I was like, well, like maybe I'll just go to the test and tune.
Uh, if you, especially, especially if you're kind of like an introvert going to a place where you don't know anyone to do a thing you've never done before in front of a lot of people was like, that's a weird decision to make. And it was an especially weird decision for me to make. And you were on drugs. Maybe I was. Um, but like I met some people while I was there on that day that made connections, that made connections, that made connections. And then, well, now I'm here. That's amazing.
Paul wasn't there, but a friend of Paul's was there. I think years ago, do you remember when we went out to Willow Springs, one of my buddies, James Hodges, was there? So James was my co-driver for One Lap of America. He was a person that... Do you remember, do you remember Jillian Barraclough? She's a NASA great lady. Okay. So Jillian, I met that night at Kill Care and she was like, you should meet James. He has an Evo. And then after, uh, yeah. Cause you know, if you have the same car, you'd be friends, right? Uh huh. Yeah. Jillian's an enabler. I got that vibe from her. And then from that, it was like, Oh, you should meet Paul. And then you should meet Adam. And then you should meet, and then that was, that was the buddies. You got to have buddies. This Adam or is that a different Adam that now races GLTC. Okay. Will, will he be at a grid life festival? He's got, he's got a rad Corvette.
It's so good right now too. It's so good. He was at CMP. He was at Coda. I think he's running the whole season. And, and he has an RV that usually has a margarita machine in it.
Pretty solid. Remember that. Remember that for Gingerman. Got to have buddies. So the reason we're doing a podcast is because we saw some stickers on a race car and we're like, what's that? And Andrew was like, let me tell you. So what's this new company that we were told about on a conference call the other day? Yeah. So the reason that we're going to Gingerman to begin with is because of Tolos. And that's where Matt comes in.
I'll let him tell the story because it's his business, but I think it's really cool. It's a great resource for the community, and I'm glad somebody's finally got this idea because I'm just super passionate about it. I wish it existed five years ago, ten years ago. It would have been perfect for me. Absolutely. It should. And kind of being at the point where we talk about racing being an addiction, I've kind of graduated to the point in my life where I have a couple of business interests in the motorsports world, and so I'm one of the lucky few who doesn't necessarily spend my own money, even though I do from time to time, to do this as much as others.
it's kind of graduated that point where it's a business for me. And so I'm really passionate about like finding ways to like contribute back. And Tolos is one of those ways that's like for someone getting into this hobby, having this ability to go rent a trailer in the way you would Turo or rent an Airbnb just makes so much sense. And that's what Matt's doing. And that's why he and I met at PRI and we've kind of stayed connected since it made a lot of sense to like work together. And now thanks to him, we're going to be racing our car at Gingerman and now we're chatting on a podcast. So I'll let him talk about it, but it's super cool.
Yeah, yeah, no, thanks, Raines. I appreciate it. And you guys are, you know, you guys are geniuses for having this platform on your show. You know, this is going to be the biggest and the best, right? Yeah, so it's, yeah, tolos.com is a, it's an online marketplace for trailer rental. So, yeah, you think of Airbnb for homes, you think of Turo for cars, and we want people to think of Tolos for trailers. And so.
So, yeah, and we're hoping to be able to help all your Gridlife listeners kind of give them some access to trailers that they may not otherwise have to help them get to the places they need. And obviously, certainly. The reverse is also true, right? We've got a lot of listeners who have trailers. That was one of the things we talked about on the call the other day. We were like, well, you don't use your trailer every day. Most people don't. Maybe somebody else needs to use it the weekend. You're not using it. And maybe that helps make the payment on your trailer. So, like, it makes a lot of sense. Right. Yeah. You know, we did some market research and overnight.
You can imagine, I'm surprised to know, but over 90% of trailers just sit there. Yeah, almost all of them. And I think that's why Toro kind of took off, and that's why the founders of Toro, if you guys are familiar with that platform, they just saw all these cars just sitting around. at the time. And, um, that was, I had a kind of a similar thought with trailers and I, it's amazing now that we're talking about it, you guys and your listeners are going to now just notice how many trailers are sitting around, you know, you never noticed it before, but now you will. Yeah. Like there's a lot of trailers that their first set of tires gets removed because they dry rotted. They didn't wear out. Right. They dry rotted and they're like, well, I really can't go over 50 with these tires. These are junk because I'd never use this trailer. Um, and these things are, I mean, if you maintain a trailer, it basically, the lights have to work, the brakes have to work and the tires have to be good. Like they're really simple machines. So let's use it.
Yeah, exactly. That's one of the things I thought I liked about the concept was there's much less mechanical stuff going on with a trailer than there is with a car, right? And even less than an RV. Man, renting RVs is a challenging thing. Oh, yeah. And what I love about it is that Dorsey and RV Share, they're doing it. And so I feel like we're hopefully kind of riding on their coattails and learning some of the lessons that they've learned a long way. We've only been live for about seven months. We did kind of a beta launch in October of 22. And so, yeah, this is still...
I'll start up and, but yeah, so appreciate you guys. And Rain's kind of helping me, um, learn how to do this. I really have no idea what I'm doing. I'm an orthopedic surgeon. And, um, so, you know, explain then the jump, right? Like you're like, Oh, I'm doing orthopedic surgery. I'm doctor, doctor. And then you're like, no, I'm going to, I'm going to start a trailer around company. Right. Right. How does that happen? That seems like a, that does seem like a interesting, my version of doing my wife's interesting move. I mean, for a, uh, for a side hustle. Right. Right. Right.
Yeah, so I've always been a bit of an entrepreneur. I've always been interested in innovation, and I think that's one of the reasons that I ended up in medical school and then on to doing ortho. And one of the things, of course, about medicine is that it is changing, and we all know this. And sometimes, of course, that's a challenge and a bummer, and then other times that's kind of exciting because there's still so much that we're kind of discovering every day. And so that's one of the things that really attracts me.
me to orthopedics and i've been involved with you know helping design devices and have been a part of health care incubators and have invested in some health care startups and um and that kind of thing um but uh yeah never really had any any vision that i would pivot to something that has nothing to do with medicine. So yeah, I worked as a pod for 10 years doing ACL reconstruction and rotator cuff repairs, a lot of arthroscopic surgery, which is where, you know, you're using, it's a kind of minimally invasive surgery using small portals and then using cameras and other instruments to work inside a joint most of the time is what we were doing. And then your eyes are up on a TV monitor and your hands are down working, you know, so you're not really looking at your hands while you're working. So yeah.
So spatial recognition and being able to kind of visualize three-dimensional spaces really is helpful in that field. So what's your wife's version? That's a good question. Maybe you should ask her. Let's see. I think she would say – first of all, they always say that your wife is your number one investor. And so for all you founders out there, all you entrepreneurs, never forget that. She's been so supportive the whole way. She came into it with a lot of skepticism. And this wasn't – it seemed a little bit like a –
Just kind of a pretty abrupt move, but this has been brewing for a long time. I really like orthopedic surgery, and I miss that. What I don't like and I don't love is medicine, and we can kind of go into that on a future episode. just when we're chatting or something that medicine has gone the way of becoming much more bureaucratic and administrative. And, um, we as docs have kind of lost some of the autonomy and some of that professionalism and being able to spend that, you know, FaceTime with patients and we're busy, you know, doing all this documentation and everything. Um, and so that's, that's, uh, unfortunately I think, um, you know, kind of, uh, the corporate world of bureaucracy has gotten in between the doctor and the patient relationship, um, which is not awful right now, but I don't see it being better in five years and I don't see it being better in 10. And so part of the, and I'm,
And so that was kind of part of my thoughts where, man, if I'm 54 or 53, are things going to be kind of better than they were? And so that was certainly part of some of my motivation. But when I came across this problem where this lack of trailers, I can kind of go into the story and inspiration at some point for how that kind of got started. But, yeah, it was just that, you know, we thought about it. We prayed about it a lot. And so I would say my wife, she, you know, she's kind of.
do what I've done for the last 10 years. And, and she knew that I was kind of itching for something else. And I, and so we'll see, you know, I tell people that I'm a recovering orthopedic surgeon and a starving entrepreneur. They're probably worse things. Right. Right. But it is a very, it is a very odd juxtaposition because in medicine, of course, we are taught to be very risk averse. You know, we, we, we are taught to minimize risk. And of course in the startup world, and I bet this applies to you guys in racing too, is you have to accept.
amount of risk. And probably the people who are willing to accept even more risk probably are some of the ones that end up winning those races. Well, I can say that as an event organizer, I personally am quite risk. However, my counterpart on the show here, his name is Adam. Adam is incredibly risk tolerant because his go to phrase is it'll be fine.
Well, the go-to phrase doesn't come from an ignorance of the potential of problems, but at some point you have to push through problems and you have to push through, oh, is this event going to lose $100,000? Well, we said this event was going to happen, so this event is going to happen. Let's figure it out. All the wins that we've ever had have been completely balanced out by all the losses that we've ever had. People don't quite realize that in event world especially. They don't always go well. Sometimes you get rained out on Saturday and you were counting on that walk-up ticket. And it was so cold.
PPR Saturday last year was real cold. That was a, yeah, that was a nice, not the ideal circumstance to host a music festival for many thousands of people. No, no, it was not. The, yeah, we, the best laid plans of men sometimes have to get brushed aside into the, into the gutter and you have to make do. Yeah. But if you don't do something, you can guarantee that outcome. Right. Right. Yeah. You can, you can plan, you can, you can plan as much as you want, but you also have to like a core skill, I think of like any entrepreneur and any.
Anybody, especially in the event space, is your ability to pivot. If you don't have that skill, if you don't have the ability to make an audible that will solve a problem with SAP, really in any business. Like, if you are hardline and you have to stick to the plan, like, I mean, that's a great way to dig your own grave, too. Yeah. I'm so excited to join you guys up there. You know, this will be my first grid live event, so I'm just really excited to... Midwest is a fun one. You've been to Gingerman. Yeah, a long time ago. Yeah, that was like maybe 20... Let's see.
2005, probably. Oh, yeah. So what should Dr. Matt here expect for his first Gridlife event? Because I've prepped him on it. Obviously, we've talked, and I've talked him into coming with us. But coming from the source of all Gridlife knowledge, what do you guys think someone should know? Have you been to Midwest Festival? I forget. Yeah, I have. It's actually the only track on the Gridlife schedule that I've been to before, like before showing up for a race with you guys. So I'm stoked. I know which way to write it up. That's cool. So my piece of advice, and I think Adam probably has more, is...
Um, be prepared to be at the busiest grassroots motorsports event that you can imagine. And with that also, um, have patience because there are people everywhere and you might be in your car and you want to go somewhere. Just be patient. Yeah. The, the worst part about this event is getting to the grid, uh, at least Saturday, Friday, Saturday, uh, Sunday with the DE stuff won't be as, as tough. Um, but Friday, Saturday, just getting to the grid, especially if you're gridded far away, we're pitted far away, which sometimes you have to be.
It can take a while. We literally have a budget and a line item in the budget for a team of traffic directors at all the intersections. So there's a lead person just for traffic direction out in the pits, and he'll have like half a dozen volunteers rotating throughout the day just helping move cars back and forth with whistles, and they'll have bikes or scooters or whatever just trying to get cars back to their pits and get cars from their pits back to grid as fast as possible because it's become a problem. We've had people say it takes 20 minutes to get to grid. That's the biggest problem, Friday and Saturday.
It definitely, it definitely gets better, uh, like, you know, on Sunday. But, uh, the other thing is like, you kind of need to, you know, you need to prepare for all the weather and you also need to be prepared to stay up late and then wake up early because somebody is going to be having more fun than you want them to be having until two 30 in the morning. Even if you want, even if you want to sleep in the night. So it's, it's a, it's a pretty wild weekend. It's, it's a fun one. It's always, it's always one of the best weekends of the year for us. Are you, are you both staying at the track or do you have hotels like the same people? Oh yeah. We're staying at the track. Good for you. Actually, something I remember about you is you partake in the late night karaoke.
I am. And that's not something that Matt and I have talked about yet, about our weekend plan. But I do like to partake in the karaoke happening. I don't think we can be friends anymore. It seems like Andrew usually kicks off the karaoke when he's sober. So that means you know he's a psychopath. Right. I love karaoke. No alcohol required. Yeah. Just the ability to sing in front of people with some semblance of seriousness means that Andrew's crazy. Yeah. Courage and crazy. I love it. I love it. I love it.
Yeah, the karaoke is supposed to take place right by the tower again this year. I've been talking to the Tennessee buddies. I haven't seen them yet. Yeah, Tennessee, Georgia buddies. The Matt Williams RV and the Georgia bros, Kevin Head. They set up a good party on Saturday night. Absolutely. Yeah, Team Brock. Those are my boys. I parked next to, unknowingly, the very first grid life event I did was the NOLA event. Oh, really? Yeah, in 2020. And that's the first one I'd been to, the first one I raced at, the whole nine yards. And we parked right next to Matt. And I realized that I'd met him before at PRI one time, and he had an Apex Pro. And so all of a sudden he starts coming up to me asking me about...
data review questions and I'm like, can I know this guy? And we got to be friends really quickly and then all of a sudden I realized we were in the best place in the paddock. This is where it was going on. Pretty cool. That event was pretty wild. That event popped off way more than I thought it would. Oh man, I had a blast with that event. It did rain a lot on Saturday night but that event was crazy. Yeah, that freestyle drift was cool. I remember just seeing a video because I wasn't at that one. I thought you were at that one. The video of Robert and Andy having steering wheels out the window while they were nose to nose drifting, I thought that was just the coolest. In the rain. Yeah. That was super cool.
The entire weekend was, that was a long, wet, crazy weekend. And then we ended off by basically not sleeping at all the last night after the event went cold. But they left a lot of gates open at the racetrack. So there you go, man. That's what you need to know about your first Grift. Yeah, they left a lot of gates open, and we had, you know, we might have had some Grift cars, and we might have had some golf carts, and we might have been looking for gators. No way. Sunday night was wild. I mean, it was like a 5 a.m. bedtime on Sunday night. That was a fun weekend, man.
And it was peak COVID too. Everybody was like, oh my gosh, we're all going to die. And we were just like, fuck it. Let's go. What do you say? Don't worry about that little guy. So I think you guys are making the right call by staying at the track. And my advice to you is don't go to bed early. Speaking of going to bed early, I actually talked on the phone today to our friend, the slumlord, Iowa man. Oh, really? About being a slumlord. But I hope to see the hot tub at the event this year as well. What did you talk about? What are you talking about? Being a slumlord.
Oh, really? What are you trying to buy rental houses for me? Maybe. Okay. But, Matt, so one of our friends, his name is Dalton, and his nickname is the Iowa Man. And the Iowa Man has, at multiple events now, set up an inflatable hot tub and a full-size 7-Eleven-style slurpee machine kind of thing. And they get into all kinds of crazy stuff. So they're people you want to be around. Yeah, I can visualize the debauchery. I don't know that you can. I might have been on the roof of his stacker trailer at one point.
I don't know how I got up there. And somebody peed on a different trailer off of it. It wasn't me. I remember seeing you in the hot tub with all your clothes on. I was in the hot tub with all my clothes on. The vision is getting clearer. Do you remember? I was actually sober for that. Do you remember how they were warming up the hot tub that night?
I do. I remember there was a, there was a Ford, uh, what's that thing called? The little, uh, little bitty Ford Festiva exhaust involved. Is that the main that was, they were like experimenting, trying to like run an engine and like use the hot tub as the coolant. I don't think they got that done. They were the main source of warming the hot tub because the pump wouldn't keep up was a Blackstone grill, a bunch of empty beer cans filled with the water. They would warm up the beer cans and dump the beer cans in and then fill them back up and then warm them on the Blackstone grill some more. And then it was, it was, it was absolutely effective. It was completely disgusting. And following that activity, someone, um,
bottled up some of that hot tub water and I, they, they sold it as a Jibay hot tub water. They did. There's an entrepreneur. Yeah, I guess. I mean, I might have like, I might have a little bit of name recognition in our weird little paddock. Um, and I'm completely ashamed of the use of all of my branding. You divorce yourself from all of that. Yeah. I know nothing.
We've got to find that guy for Tolo. It sounds like somebody that can help. I can assure you that you should not rent out Dalton's trailer on Tolo. That's actually a bad stacker trailer. It's like $6,000 on an auction. I think it's cracking at the nose, but it keeps using it. The gooseneck is coming off of the mainframe where it just flexes so much that the sheet metal above the gooseneck is breaking off.
Reigns, if he approaches me, just help me to check it out. Yeah, well, you'll know. If he submits it, you'll know because there's a giant Adam Jabay waving a flag on the back, like an eight-foot-wide one on the back of the shoulder. And you'll know what he means by a giant Adam Jabay, too. You'll see it. Yeah, you'll see it. So as a gag, Chris, the other co-founder of Good Life, made some vinyls of a picture of Adam's face, and he made one size that was so outrageously large and expensive that no person should have ever purchased it.
but the Iowa man did. And it went onto the back of his trailer. It was like Chris, but one of the other ones on my semi trailer that I just bought for grid life. That's awesome. But it was like, it was like a $300 sheet of vinyl that had Adam. It was like a four by eight vinyl. So dumb.
So Matt, you're really getting the full treatment here. It's a dumb fake IMSA, and it's probably more fun than IMSA. Yeah, it sounds like it. So Matt, we're kind of near at the end of the show. Can you remind everyone what the website is? And I think there's no barrier to put your trailers, if you have one, onto Tolos. Is that correct? Yeah, yeah, that's right. And yeah, why don't you just go to...
Tolos.com slash Slip Angle. And we're running a little promo for all your Slip Angle listeners. So the hosts who put their trailers on, they're going to keep 100% of the proceeds for their first three rentals. Normally, you know, the Tolos takes a little cut, a platform fee to cover our costs, but we're going to try to jumpstart it by having all Slip Angle listeners that let's keep 100% of the proceeds for their first three rentals. So there you go, Jabay. Cool. I love it. That's a nice little deal.
Yeah, I got a tag. On the conference call the other day, you guys were making fun of me kind of that I have one trailer plate and three trailers. And the government might not know that allegedly. So I might need to get titles and register my other two trailers and make some money off of them. You need to put that two-inch trailer to work. Make it happen. Yeah, dude, I got a nice 28-foot featherlight aluminum enclosed, and I got a 26-foot flatbed you can put two cars on. They're pretty useful. Yeah, man, let's make it happen. There's a couple. Of course, we're early on, so we're just adding trailers to the site now, but there are a few.
car haulers around the country, especially a couple in the Chicago area, if, if folks need some trailers. So we'd love to help kind of help you guys, you know, work together. Yeah. Hopefully we can work towards getting some people to events that are far away as well. Maybe we can. Yeah. Maybe that'd be, see if we can help get people out there. Yeah. If you've got an empty spot on a trailer too, like let us know, we can find you a buddy or if you have a two car trailer for rent, we got, we probably have somebody that wants to rent it or even one car. So we're going to be sending a bunch of cars to Laguna. Yeah.
Yeah, and if we can kind of hook up and carpool, that sounds like that's kind of one of the – Yeah, for sure, for sure. And Matt and I will be easy to find at Midwest Festival because we're going to have a big white BMW E46, like twice the size of a Miata with a massive Tolos logo on it. So if you want to learn about Tolos and what it takes to host your trailer and rent it out, come find us because Matt and I will be there to talk to people about it. We're kind of on a mission to get 1,000 motorsports enthusiasts to list their trailers on Tolos as the way to start this business. In a few years, everybody's going to be like, oh, yeah, Tolos. It's like Airbnb scale, right? But we want to kind of – I think it would be so cool for –
the grid life community in particular, but the automotive and the motorsports community to get on board and list their trailers and start making some income to cover their costs and go into races, pay for your brake pads, pay for your race car fuel, pay for your race car fuel, all that good stuff. But like, let's take some ownership of Colos' growth and like, you know, see it go somewhere. Well, and also this is a, like it's a barrier to entry for a lot of people in this sport is, you know, having the rig and having the trailer and all that stuff. But if you've got something you can tow it with, like you need to borrow a trailer, this is maybe a way to do it. Very cool idea. I would have killed to have a Tolos in 2001. I would have killed for it. Maybe not murdered people, but it would have been a high desire. But close, maybe. Pretty close. Thanks a lot. Of course, we're early on. So learning, growing. I'd love anybody that has any feedback. You guys, we want to make this thing as good as possible. So I'd love for listeners to think outside the box. There's little things that maybe somehow are related to trailers, but things that we could do that could just bring value.
and make this thing really zoom. Yeah, I think it's a great concept and a needed piece that's probably missing in this community. Thanks a lot, buddies, and I look forward to seeing everybody at Midwest Festival. We've got one event between now and then, and then right after Midwest, we're coming down to Barber. Andrew, I hope that you've got some competition drivers wrangled up for us to run in the Jayzilla field.
I know of a handful that I've talked into competing with you guys. I'll definitely be out there at some point that we can. I'll maybe drag my wife and my baby to come hang. Sounds great. We'll talk to you guys soon. Yeah, we'll talk to you guys soon. Thanks, guys. Bye.