Rerelease: Adam Scott Returns

Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by the Duchess of the Luz. Hi, our sweetest friend Adam Scott is here today. We discovered, which I would have not guessed, I forget now, but in 7th interview we realized he was his 7th guest.

It does feel like it's been a long time since he's come on, but not that long. No, I just didn't think he was that early. I felt like we were up and running for a while and I reached out. But yeah, so this is his second trip.

Oh, this will be good because I remembered this. There's a point in the interview where I go, weren't you super into hip-hop? Yeah, you did. And he's like, no.

Yes. And I was so discombobulated by that because I'm like, I know, I remember this. Okay. And it hit me after this interview and I texted him and I was like, oh my God, you know what I think I'm confusing is, were you obsessed with Do the Right Thing and Spike Lee and started wearing African gear?

And he's like, 100%. So that's what it was. I knew he went through a phase and he was wearing like the tri-color Africa shirts and it was Do the Right Thing. So that wasn't totally insane.

There was some connective tissue. Got it. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And also lends itself to him being a cinephile. Yes, anytime. Parks and Recreation, Stepbrothers, Big Little Lies, Party Down, The Good Place, and Alas, arguably The Greatest Show on Television, which returns to Apple TV Plus on the 17th, Severance. I can't wait.

So good. It's so, so good. And I do the Severance podcast that they're doing, which is really, really fun. That's great.

Yeah. I do recommend, it's been three years. I have a pretty good memory. I don't remember anything.

It is so worth starting it from the get-go. It's so enjoyable. I have forgotten so many great things about it. Me too.

I rewatched it as well. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's just, what a show. It's fantastic.

Please enjoy Adam Scott. Steal yourself. Is that the expression? Oh, my God.

Steady, steal. Okay. Think of there's no buttons on your slacks like Carmilla Anthony. I wonder what it is I'm supposed to be looking at.

Yes, this is very nice. You're fucking hot as hell. Hold on, Adam. You're a thousand percent sexy as fuck.

What is this from? I've always known you've had good hair, like enviable hair, but this photo, I can't do things like that. You can take big swings with your hair. Would you acknowledge that?

I mean, I would say that's a big swing, and I think it might be a bit of a miss. No! The whole thing just feels a little stupid. No!

Adam, listen to me. You can own this. Can I hold this up? Can you see that, Rob?

Look at this. This is great. You do have great hair. Fucking good hair.

You're welcome. I'm stealing this from Arnett. He would call it the 40-yard stare, like that. Yeah, the, like, middle distance stare.

Yeah, like, am I seeing a sniper in the background that you're not? Right. Me and Pratt used to do it on Parks. It would be saying something stupid to each other, and then just kind of breaking into, and it's like, what are you?

There is this middle distance, where it's so clear. I wasn't looking at anything. It was just, look over there. Yeah.

That's maybe part of why it's embarrassing. No, no, no, no, no. You're so self-deprecating. It's a gorgeous picture.

It is. I don't think I'm just gorgeous. It's absolutely gorgeous. By the way, it's so different in here.

I know, right? Let's take a second to process this. How long have you been in here? Three months.

Because I listen to the show. I don't watch it, so I don't know. Yeah, take it in. First of all, Rob did all this.

It's really nice. He's like, homie, thank you, and well-designed. I know you have impeccable taste. Thank you, but this wasn't me.

This was all Rob. It's really lovely. Yeah, you can almost forget, right? That's the dream.

Yeah, it's nice. And you've got the camera sort of hidden. It's really nice. Well, we have overs in this podcast, which people don't have to.

They line up in a line. Overs, it's so good. You're a director. You know these things.

Somebody said I'm a director at heart. Ew. That's gross. I'm a storyteller at heart.

That's worse. I'm even scared to admit out loud how much I hate that, because so many people I love I've heard use that term. I know. And it's true.

We are story animals. Since the dawn of man, we've gathered around the fire. We tell stories. We can stop saying that.

Yeah, I would like to stop. You've seen people you love say it, right? Of course. I'm sure I've said it.

Jesus. I'm going to look for the fact check. Both of you saying it. A thousand times.

A stream. Is there any other current nomenclature that's rubbing you the wrong way? I have too much of it, to the degree that I'm not proud of myself. Too much of what?

I am hypersensitive to words people are using in pop culture, to the degree that I have to be a little self-reflective and go, like, this is the kid in high school. Like, I'm still looking for reasons that all the popular kids have their code. You feel left out loud. I got that.

I think that's why it's such an acute, because Monica will tell you, I've called out words like artisanal. The second artisanal, I said, you watch, that's going to be on a fucking Arby's sign. It was on Arby's, but it was on Subway. My current one I'm tracking is Atelier.

This is the new word. Wait, I don't know this one. Great. You're getting on the ground floor.

You do know it. It just means like a shop. You don't know. It's like an apothecary bubbled up a few years ago in the wrong places.

Yeah, Atelier, which I learned this from Monica, this is like a small, bespoke, handcrafted luxury item, and it's the studio for it, which I'm fine with those Italians having their Ateliers or French, whatever it is. Yeah, it's where the designer actually makes the items. It's a real word. Sure, but we don't use it to describe the sandwich shop in Beverly Hills, which is coming.

I just started hearing Atelier a little too much, and I was like, Monica, you watch. The gap's going to have an Atelier. Okay, so we have storytellers. That's rough for me.

That's rough. I mean, there's so many people I love it. I hate to see you. Sure.

I don't think people can get through an interview without saying it these days. Holding space. Can't you just do that without talking about it? Does that trigger you at all?

I've never said it. I do think it's rough. This is where the left is losing people, by the way. Yeah.

Stuff like that. It's cultural and rhetorical. That's it. Of the two parties, there's one that actually helps out the working class, and it's not the one that won.

It's the one that rhetorically and culturally don't know how to talk to them, right? Yeah. So it's shit like that, 100%. But wait, holding space means I'm just creating space for myself?

Well, I think it's more often used in, like, I just want my husband to be able to hold space for me to have my emotions, or hold space for a coworker or a friend. Right. It sounds a little too syncytemonium. I think I tuned that one out.

So I use one that probably people hate. I will say, often, my story. My story about you and I is this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's going to be a little more honest, which is I know I'm a storyteller. Yeah. It all keeps up to storytelling, you guys. It's just a story.

It's not just visibly uncomfortable. We thought our pants were going to explode, but they retract it. It's a little bit. It's a little bit.

More belts. Were you wearing three belts? I didn't even notice. Isn't it funny in movies where they flash to the future, and you see them taking stabs at what will happen fashion-wise in the future?

I think in Back to the Future, people have two ties in the future. In 2015, which, by the way, you would have known that already. That's right. You know what no one's playing with, which they should be, is that as we see drugs like Ozempic become ubiquitous, and people will more and more have the same body shape, it's almost interesting that no one's projected that in the future, everyone just virtually will be like three versions of people.

Also with Botox and fillers and all of those things. Yeah, people's faces are starting to just look like one thing. I mean, young teens are doing Botox and fillers. I know.

I wish I was alive when they were 90, so I could see how perfect they look. I bet they're really in a world. I feel like an old lady to say I am against it. I am.

You are, even though you are. You don't even know what your face is yet. But also, you're not done forming and growing. I have two teenagers, so they're always on TikTok and Instagram and stuff.

And yeah, there's a lot of perfection and redefining perfection. It's all really crazy. It does make me think, did you ever have these days when you were in elementary school? I'm plagued with a lot of cowlicks.

I don't have the cat hair you do. Back to your hair. Cowlicks. You know where your hair shuts this way?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a mom's in the back. I have a swirl. So the middle part with a feather when you and I were kids was king.

Totally. You had to have that hair. Bone look too cat it. And I just couldn't get it in the middle.

It was always off to one. It was like a 60-40 split. And so occasionally, I would have a morning in fourth grade where I would feather it. It would look great.

And I would make this weird promise to the deities. I'd say, I commit to this hair for the rest of my life if you can keep it looking this way. If it can remain this perfect, I will keep this. Already down the middle, feathered construction for the rest of my days.

Okay, now, did you ever do any dumb thing like that in front of the mirror? I remember my brother had the little lead figurines for Dungeons & Dragons. They were made out of lead. Yeah.

And as a kid, I heard lead is poison, so you need to be careful. I used to just steal all this shit and look at it. He's older than me. So I remember one day taking one of these little lead figures and just sticking my tongue out and just touching it and just being like, what am I doing?

And I remember looking into the mirror in our living room. There was a mirror hanging there and just going, I don't want to die. Thinking it was imminent. Okay, what you stumbled upon right there is called the call of the void.

Do you know this term? No. So the call of the void is very, very common for people. You're on an extremely tall building.

You're looking over the edge. And the voice is going, jump, you fucking pussy. We're so pretty good. It's taunting you.

Yes. And that's what licking that lead was. And I would have done the exact same thing. Like, whoa, it's pretty powerful.

Powerful, that's what it is. But you got to be on the other side of answering the call of the void, which is you did. And it sounds like you had immediate regret. Yeah.

It was a stupid thing to do. Did you think in your mind at the time you thought you'd be dead before the day's end? I thought I would drop dead any second. Are you like, tell your dad again?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Getting under the faucet. On Instagram, I'm constantly shown, you know, those kids that are now climbing skyscrapers all over the world without any equipment. You know, they're just free balling it.

And they're running and jumping. They're not like being careful. Oh, they're getting up to the top of literally the Empire State Building and balancing on one leg. Oh my God.

Yeah, they have their drone up there and they're just like, what's up? Some awesome beer. It's crazy. And there's a documentary on a couple that do this in Eastern Europe on Netflix.

Their whole group of friends are traveling the world doing this and they die often. Of course. Because they fucking fall. Yes.

But I'm on that algorithm on Instagram and I'm constantly being shown these. It was because there's nothing that I enjoy more than watching these people on the edge of a fucking skyscraper and I love it. Yeah. It makes my hands sweat so profusely.

I get butterflies and I get an adrenal rush, I think, watching them. And then I have to just put it down and not look anymore. You look in front of the mirror and say, I don't want to die. It's like, well, it's just a video.

You're fine. Were you a really good kid? It sounds like you were a really good kid. Yeah.

That's the extent of mischief. Yeah. Yeah, I must have been a good kid. I can really relate to being the younger brother who he'd leave the house to go do something fun and I would run to his bedroom like a chimp.

Just like hold his objects. A hundred percent. I'll get them. Oh, yeah.

Like a chimp. Your little possessions. His idols. I felt like I was holding special idols.

I remember once he came home when I was in the midst of one of my archaeological digs and I hid behind a chimney that came through the middle of his room and I just hid there for 15, 20 minutes while he just sat on his bed reading a comic book or something. I was standing at my grandparents' roadside motel in the summertime and I had an Uncle Rob who was five years older than my brother. So this guy was on top of the world. He had a 68 Camaro.

He played the guitar very well. He had a dirt bike. And I got into his room and he was out and I found just a treasure trove of firecrackers. Oh, shit.

I was like, this motherfucker's got major power in it in here. Fire power. I was like, oh, there's 60 of these. I'm going to steal one.

Black cats. And then later I was out in a field next to the motel and I lit them off and I was like very scared and excited and I just hear, they're loud, aren't they? Oh, fuck. And I turned around and it was Uncle Rob and he fucking called me red-handed.

Just like the cool uncle you guessed. He didn't mind too much. Yeah. He understood what was going on.

The other day you told me you've never stolen. I didn't say that. Yes, you did. No.

Because then I said, yeah, you tried to steal a parking heater. Parking heater. And I said, no, I did steal a parking heater. Yeah, you said then I did that.

I put that in a different compartment because I was drunk. But now here we go. It sounds like he was in his right mind when he stole these fireworks. It does.

I was pretty hammered. What is that? That's a nicotine spray. You've certainly seen me use this on our yearly vacation.

Adelier in Raleigh, Durham. One by one. Gorgeous Adelier in Terre Haute, Indiana. Very bespoke.

Very tisinal. And they fold each packet. Bespoke. That's another one.

That one doesn't bother me. Agents started using it describing different kinds of movies and shows. By the way, that's a great source for trigger words is agents. Because agents, kind of like Silicon Valley bros, they sell lexicon and you've got to stay abreast.

And political talking heads. There's always a new word kind of cycling through. A few years ago it was crossing the Rubicon. So I was going to cross the Rubicon into this cycle.

It was something else. But yeah. Okay. Now I've got to go all the way back because when I talked about your hair.

So basically we're getting into this era where the Faustian promise could be. We're hearing a technology that at eight I could have injected myself with something and my hair would look like that for the rest of my life. That's where I was going with that entire story. Like the notion of freezing your face at 16 is kind of interesting.

I don't have a moral judgment on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My face has gotten better over time. So that would have been a big mistake.

Mine too. Is yours improved? I think so. I looked at photos of me when I was 30 and I'm like, what's going on?

And it might just be the way you perceive yourself. It's hard to gain perspective on that. I just saw the substance, which was super interesting. Yes.

So good. But remember when the kid in the doctor's office introduces her to the idea and that kid's perfect face? Yeah, but creepy. Very creepy.

That's what I immediately think of when you say there'll be like three different kinds of faces or if you have the power to just freeze your face, everyone starts kind of morphing into a face like that. To me, that looks like a YouTube tutorial face. Right. It's just weird.

And it's become this standard that people are looking on social media. It's hard to say what's better or worse. Is that better or worse than you and I thinking you got to look like Brad Pitt and there's no chemicals or I can't freeze my face. There's nothing you can do.

No. I'm not sure if it's even better or worse. Yeah. Okay.

But my sci-fi fantasy is this. So if we just think really quickly that your cells divide and they make perfect copies of themselves. So there's this great mystery. How then does your body evolve and look differently if it's making perfect mere copies of each cell?

What is this aging process? How are the cells changing? And there's a lot of science that's getting close to figuring that out. So let's just say there is a future in which you take it and then that's it.

You're arrested exactly where you're at. From now on, your cells will just duplicate as they should. That's an interesting sci-fi movie where everyone is 28. The wise elders are 28.

And everyone is immortal? Probably unless they get hit by cars. Unless some kind of accident happens. The cells are just going to make perfect copies of themselves.

So that would be an interesting sci-fi movie where everyone's 30. First 30 years of your life or 28, whatever number everyone is. Should have done it, yeah. You'd like be living in a bubble because you have to protect yourself until you get to 28.

Yeah, so you don't get messed up or die to 14. Well, what do you think of that is once you get the procedure, it'll heighten your fear of accidental death. Because you're not going to have any diseases. People would be so much more accident-phobic.

And also there would probably be some sort of celebration when you hit 38 or 28 or whatever it is. At 27, that's when they always say you just start going downhill from there. Is that right? Is that like the key?

Remember Looper, one of the great sci-fi movies of the last 20 years or so? Rian Johnson? Yeah. They have that party when you close your loop and you know your death date.

Is that what it was? They throw a party and it's a really dark, weird thing. But that's the great thing about really good sci-fi is when you drop in and you see kind of the customs of this new altered environment. And when it's pulled off well, like in Looper, it's really kind of mind-bending.

Yeah, that's the fun stuff to think about. It's not the actual big juicy tech. Cultural reverberations. Like if a guy that's 130 is dating an actual 30-year-old woman, but they look the same, do we throw out that whole thing we care about?

And what are the apps that would be created to catch you up on what a 30-year-old is into? You're fucking 430. Okay, we got to get back to reality. No, but listen.

Dating a 430-year-old. Well, then it's like they're mature. Right. that's cool i don't know what if okay so these pneumatic glasses they have a speaker right behind whatever the arms i'm told that you could be in china and you can have the ai be translating what someone's telling you in mandarin and you'll hear it in english i think we're really close to the star trek like we're wearing glasses of chinese guys wearing glasses and we're just communicating so knowing that's close now what if back to the 300 year old let's call it a woman dating a 30 year old man that's safer yeah and then the 30 year old man goes i loved this new show typically crossing it's a great show but it is a good one and then the woman in her ear hears i'm watching this new show dawson's creek the ai knows where this reference is going so they can communicate they can have the conversation different references you understand what i'm saying they're still living in the same world you'd be talking about taylor swift like let's say you when i run it you'd be talking about how great she is but i'd be hearing madonna so that i understood it's a cultural equivalent so you can have the same emotional interaction and just be on the same level at all times so all cultural references become the same too yes everything evens out so there are no obstacles anywhere no it's just emotion i'm conveying an emotion i have you say you like raiders of the lost ark and i hear tron tron 3d yeah i mean that just made me sound so much older these aren't real relationships you're just hearing what you want to hear because what if you didn't like taylor swift objectively and i'm talking about taylor swift and you're hearing madonna something you do it's just translating into what you like no no no see my version of this cultural translator you're saying taylor swift my equivalent of that was madonna now i actually feel about not however i felt then right so maybe i thought she was i don't think this well i just think she was a stage show she wasn't really an artist let's just say that's what i thought we don't we're not that's how i think none of us think that so i'm hearing you talk about someone who's a perfect comp and then i feel the way about it and then i know she's not for me i don't like but your ai would be so attuned to you that it would know if you say taylor swift to perfectly translate that to maybe it's la madonna maybe it's amy lou harris it's attuned to you in your case if the objective is to get along with this person you're talking to and create an emotional connection and get rid of any snags along the way it'll just provide equilibrium for everything so in your version like a liberal and democrat are wearing glasses and someone goes i'm so afraid the earth's gonna catch on fire and the person hears i'm so afraid of immigration yeah i totally agree yes i'm scared too oh that's wild okay this actually brings me to a real question first of all i told you this privately so i'm not just fluffing your pillows now that we're in public your pillows not a really common colloquial we go on the trip every year it's the funnest trip of the year for us so far our friend jimmy kimmel hosts all of us in the most generous possible capacity the loveliest and there's a lot of things you could say were the bells and whistles of it the location the accommodations the activities but for me it's dinner every night yeah it's a giant table how long would you say this table is 40 feet probably 50 people 40 people would you say yeah that feels right everyone is terrific and every year there's additions and people can't make it and someone else arrives and it's always just a fascinating group so you can't miss no matter who you're seated next to but and i don't want to rank it's not polite to rank but if you and i get seated next to each other i'm like this is gonna be the greatest three-hour dinner you're the funnest person to talk to i love talking that is so flattering and when you texted that to me i immediately went and got naomi and told her because my immediate reaction when finding a seat at that dinner is if i'm sitting across from you or next to you i'm like i really don't want dax to feel like he has to talk to me oh my god and i'm trying to engineer getting seated across and i love sitting with you too because you're an inherently interested person and you're so fun to talk to and i've always felt that way about talking to you even when we really know each other that much you can just drop in with you and talk about stuff and you always have something to say and you telling me that was a huge deal because i also feel comfortable sitting across from you or sitting next to you like i'm immediately at ease same so so much of our conversations and this is where one of my questions comes in we have a lot of nostalgic conversations we have a lot of the same favorites from the 80s and 90s we did i don't know 90 minutes on against all odds oh you had your fridges i did and i brought up the car chasing and i asked how much of the drive you needed questions only you and i would have one answer yeah i'm wearing the glasses i just heard now and then maybe that's a pretty good comment he talked about that being the first movie he started physically training and how it created a lifetime interest in exercise i was watching a behind the scenes thing on temple of doom and they're like harrison really had to bulk up for this one and it shows him at like a shitty gym just like doing bench presses with plastic weights filled with sand yeah like nothing he did something not nothing he's definitely exercising but gyms have changed a lot there's no trainer there he's just by himself no squats no dead just bench and some curls and then a couple of beers a couple of beers and a doobie and let's get to that yeah but i guess what i was wondering is you have this deep nostalgia i want an explanation for it and i'm wondering do you think we're just that way or is there something about childhood that was so comforting you would recognize you're more encyclopedic about that whole era than most people you talk to yeah you always blow me way out once we start talking yeah you watch the behind the scenes of temple knew my house right in the last three months it's so comforting to think about that era and i think movies in that era in particular were geared for us yeah when i referenced temple of doom that is my favorite movie i was 11 when that came out that and goonies and et i know it's kind of tired now because our generation has beat the nostalgia to death a little bit back to the future those movies at least for me they meant everything yeah i ask myself that a lot why did this stuff mean so much to me at least for me that whole period of time from 82 to 88 when i started getting interested in beer and just a social life hip-hop for me it was like the dead why do i think you had a crazy hip-hop phase in high school i didn't i think you're the amount of dives all the time oh my god that's why we wanted to do this on video to be honest with you to see if macklemore and i because he's not here so you don't know but i think people would think it was macklemore posing as adam probably you're right it's a particularly potent period of time stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare okay last thing i'll say about this then i started watching this brat pack documentary yes that's another chapter of that same period of time those movies hit me so hard pretty in pink oh my god oh my god pretty in pink and the psychedelic furs and how that was making me feel but i was watching the brat pack doc and i was having the realization like oh we also live in a very peculiar time where five of the biggest movie stars alive were 21 years old i think of that now of course that would seem crazy that there would be this cadre of enormous stars but that was a unique thing that was happening when your kids that you didn't know was unique they're really like 12 15 teen movies a year right from that period they still don't look that young to me and i think it's because they were six years older than me or something they looked sophisticated and adult but of course they were driving a portion dressed nice and they were 21 yeah did you have that am i wrong about that that's a unique aspect you didn't have that when you were 12 oh the 21 year olds it was like a whole crop of movies every weekend zach efron a little bit before i'm sorry i'm not calling you a baby yeah i'm a big girl harry potter stars no i was like the friends era they were young i guess they were young too but yes older than me but i was gonna say nostalgia i think exists because it's the things that you consumed before everything got complicated that's right and also before you started wanting things for real chasing things and deciding i want to do this with my life it was just pure and there's only a very small amount of time you get in life of purity totally and that window for us happened to be during this spielberg era where elliott and et indiana jones the kids and goonies michael j fox in back to the future these were heroes luke skywalker changing the world yeah and they were all scrappy nobodies and divorce was making its way into these movies which i like et is a very divorce driven movie i was in a divorce family i'm my maybe second stepdad feeling like i want to just be in the world on my own a bit and all these kids these protagonists these movies were just kind of on their own the parents weren't figuring prominently into any of these things no and i think that was really appealing it sure was get them out of here and let me run the show a little bit see what we can do because those kids in et were just like yeah okay mom they were just we're gonna outrun the cops so when i went back to consult your previous episode i would have not guessed this what number do you think adam was early i think really early maybe 32 right i would have gone 40s what would you say first five seventh stop seventh guest that you had yes i remember it being early but i was kind of taking a flyer by saying five seven not only seven but monica as i listen to it the episode starts with housekeeping and it's me explaining monica's a part of the show she's gonna talk it's not interrupting like i read in comments she's an integral part of me explaining oh boy i got like sweaty the whole thing how long ago was that seven years ago in february wow congratulations you guys but obviously so much has happened since then yeah seven years what i learned in a bunch of interviews i listened to of you today one was i heard you on fresh air saying that was really funny that you were just obsessed singularly on tvs and movies and that's all you thought about yeah and i was thinking if you go into acting that was a great use of time but if you're just an average person that's not all i've ever thought about obsessed tv and movie somehow that sounds like a losery endeavor yeah right i was thinking like just by the fact that you landed in it means that it was totally justified and what a great thing to be focused on your whole life i think in the low points of trying to do this that certainly crossed my mind like what have i done with my life because it's all i thought about and talked about screen time right and here i am with nothing to show for it and no practical skills of any kind there was a real low point in 2000 when i had not gotten six feet under i tested for that with michael c hall thank god he got it because he was incredible and i was not ready to do that that's heartbreaking then you're watching it oh that was a hefty role a hefty role and a hefty show yeah you did a lover ultimately didn't you yeah i did play his boyfriend for a couple episodes yeah yeah but before it was even on tv and when i did not get the role it was after a series of blows work-wise just not having worked in six months or you know one of those we all went through it and i was nowhere i had been at it at that point for like seven years or something and was at square one because when you're living like guest spot to guest spot and indie movie you never hear from those people again to remind people you and i were in one of those together hair shirt slash too smooth too smooth this isn't your mom's here i was here but do you know what his role was i don't know if you knew your role guy in bar fan at bar fan at bar it's far more humiliating and who are you vomiteer at party what does vomiteer someone who vomits at a party are you on camera vomiting yeah i think so oh man i hope so that's what was promised i've never seen too smooth have you seen it i've seen it i don't even know who else was in that movie i doubt you know rebecca gayhart rebecca gayhart nev campbell of course and then our two leads which i looked at the poster this morning our poor two leads are the deep deep background and nev and rebecca are front center and they maybe have like i don't know three scenes nev was playing like a big star pence you're being a fan fan at bar at bar yeah so you're being vomiteer at a party that's right alfonso corone was in that movie what i remember he and dean were good buddies yeah he played a director in the movie that is so wild so you and i have been in a film with alfonso corone absolutely we are colleagues of alfonso corone we are peers with alfonso corone that's really really funny so obviously since then you i've done a ton of stuff about severance is the most spectacular thing and as you know because chris and i sent you voicemails almost after every episode i'd like to play a couple of these hey so we're in bed and we just had a quick question hi we just had a quick question are you guys fucking drawing this new season is that what's taking so long what in the goddamn hell is taking so long this is the kind of message you would receive you son of a bitch you wanted the compliments or here comes the fucking complaints bell and i just sat here on the edge of our seat waiting to find out what happens when you guys come to you fucking prick you piece of shit prick and that goes for ben too losers oh buddy are we fucking pissed that this episode just ended when the switches were thrown so you wanted the fucking cake and now you got to take the rat poison you piece of shit okay so that's kind of an after the finale that was i think one before this ended up being funny it's gonna be a long fucking week for us and for you yes we're waiting to block my number or get used to this shit you piece of shit came in the last one you'd probably find funny my wife just ran through a plate glass window off the second story of our home and was rushed to the hospital you probably want to know she's still alive i will tell you next week i have all those on my phone as well i want to play one of your responses which was so good you can't imagine how much pleasure it gives me to have the both of you over a barrel like this i may as well tell you now that the entire season was created just to frustrate and destroy the both of you eat shit oh yeah that's cute but you went into severance and i learned this from you i don't know if this is secret or not but you were involved and then maybe you weren't involved for a minute and then you were involved so it doesn't start on the firmest footy maybe or i don't know what you go through before you end up there yeah you go right at really what point in the pandemic well we were scheduled to start the end of march 2020 or beginning of april something like that and actually went into the table read march 7th or something and then i was gonna go home get all my shit and come out and at the table read they passed purell around this pandemic thing this is weird and then as i was there just for like two days shit was contracting in new york and i was like maybe i should go get lysol wipes for my room like what's going on then i flew home and then everything happened so we didn't start shooting till october but even that was early we were one of the only shows actually shooting so a lot of shows were doing this where you have a mask a plastic thing in front of your face and all that shit for the actors the only time we saw people's entire faces was when the camera was rolling we would rehearse with all that stuff and there was a special person with your own box to put your mask and all your equipment in oh my god all that to say the isolation from each other and in general because i would wake up in my apartment go down to the van that took me to set with a plastic sheet between me and the driver and go to my room where you weren't allowed to have anyone in your room suffice it to say the only real human contact was after action yeah so it kind of fed into the show i didn't notice that your mom had died as well right before i guess would have been the table read two days before the table read i think the most interesting part of this is so then the memorial gets kicked all the way to december or something december of 21 okay so very far away but what immediately happens after she dies is you go into quarantine with your family and it's like groovy right you're with your family i think in particularly a time like that where there's the loss of this person but at least you're connected to the fact the whole thing just carries on and that's comforting and maybe misleading and then you get completely by yourself in an apartment in new york in this very lonely situation already and i'm imagining everything kind of must hit the fan at that point yeah it really did and it really was sort of from the moment i walked into the apartment and closed the door and it was dead silent and i was like oh okay i need to come to terms with at that point she had died six months before but like you said i was cocooned with my family with the people who love me the most and was insulated which is i guess one of the things love is for is to make you feel better and they suffered a loss as well but obviously i was the one who was going to be grappling with it and i'm sort of a unique way for my kids in the army so i'm in that apartment and i needed to find a way towards grieving and defining what this is and what happened and i really did it through the show i mean i sort of just decided i'm gonna figure this out but the show is about grief i hate to say it was a good coincidence but my god if you have to go through this the fact that you got to play someone who's grieving the loss of somebody and you're lonely as fucking real life yes you don't have to act really yeah just gliding right into it and very directly letting it out and processing it in the show there's a scene in the show actually where we're on the side of the road at the site of my wife's car accident in the seventh episode and just by sheer coincidence because we shot the whole season at once it was on the one year anniversary of my mom dying oh wow and i didn't realize it till that day and so there were things like that where i could pretty directly process when you shut the door to the apartment and you go we got some dealing to do are you overcome with fear for that process what's your reaction to knowing that oh we're gonna go through some stuff now and we're gonna be by ourselves and we're gonna get into this i'm a person who tries to compartmentalize and push things to a later date and so i busied myself with getting ready for the show and the election was about to happen and so i was preoccupied with that and so i closed that door and was like oh shit and really felt the loss right there like there's a giant elephant in this room with me but it'll be there i'm here for eight months or whatever i'll be fine and eventually after a few weeks and just hours of alone time because no one was socializing really and restaurants you know it was so weird that i really did have to figure it out there and i didn't talk to a therapist while i was there and i really should have i did in a way sort of come to terms with it and come to terms with the fact that grief is something that is a flat circle in one way or the other it stays with you and sometimes it feels like it happened 10 minutes ago and sometimes it feels like it happened 50 years ago yeah and sometimes it's surreal that that person is no longer in your life it's just like unbelievable it's really hard to imagine someone exists and i don't as dumb and simple as that is to say it is so weird that you can exist and then not exist yeah and someone that is so instrumental in who you are you know this thing that i'm doing for a living when she was gone i realized that part of the reason i was doing this in the first place was for her to see it yeah you know of course yeah and so when that was gone i was sort of like who am i gonna impress yeah so i had to straighten that out and sort of come to terms with the fact that these feelings and this love that you have for a person and their love for you doesn't go anywhere it's still here it's kind of what you're made of yeah the structure of you is that that's right and a parent dying it's like part of the sky going away or something it's sort of a big thing well it's the thing you're most tethered to yeah so when my dad died i had these conflicting feelings of like a he had become a dependent of mine you were taking care of him supporting him so unfortunately a lot of our conversations over those last few years were like i need this this is not a great dynamic yeah and then you know i live with my mom primarily my whole life when he was dying it was a lot of work for me so i had this conflicting i felt a sense of relief when he died i was like okay this battle's over we got him through it without too much carnage that's a win i had a misleading sense of relief for a few months and then opened up the door to like oh i'm never gonna chat with him again or he's not gonna see anything i do but through all of that i was like also thank you for my mom because my mom for me is the thing you're talking about like tax wants to live in the woods and fucking be annihilated drunk all day and anything i've ever done positive was because my mom believed enough that i was a good boy and i needed to make her happy and so i've often thought if she's not around for me to even think what would she think that feels like a very scary place for me to be in i really rely on her to almost be my super ego just like in the back of your head your mom is this very unique station it's so fucking thankless and meanwhile i'm walking around like you know that mick crawl special where he's like moms are annoying yes they are why it's so unfair because they know you so well in a way that no one else does not your dad no one they just know they're in your body to be scared in front of vulnerable yeah even as an adult something would happen i would call her no matter how embarrassing you know that that call is there yes you know to your point guaranteed i'm feeling better when i get off with my mom 100 she somehow find the silver lining that's right horrific and give you the kernel of whatever it is at least for me part of a son's dream i'm sure it's the same for no matter what gender you are there is a period of time where you need to peel away and show that you don't need your mom you've got this you're good you're a big one yeah that's right and i already know anything you're going to say anyway because i'm a grown-up now but thinking back on that stuff is painful but i think also just being a parent now you just know you don't care no anytime my kids are shitty to me ultimately i don't really give a shit i always think good for you yeah sometimes when they tell me off i'm like for you you got some back mom yeah not bad you're supposed to hate me from time to time that's right it would be weird if you didn't roll your eyes and slam the door right now yes if you're lucky you get two sources of unconditional love and then when that starts going away it's so scary what's left it is scary we have the great luxury and gift of i think what you do with that is you just turn it on your kids it's like i don't have that thing i miss that thing i'm never gonna have that thing but i have this thing yeah imagine when you don't have kids and you go through the loss of a parent it's got to be really destabilizing yeah kind of now not tethered to really anything i can't imagine monica are both of your parents with us yes they are i live with so much fear of something happening and i think part of it is that i don't really have a place to channel it but in some ways i think not that it's a cop-out but like you said in the pandemic you can sort of channel it with your family we're all ultimately by ourselves really and so when you really sit with it you are going to have to process it anyway at some point yeah and the kids aren't really going to be the answer to that they probably don't deserve to be the answer to that my son's in his senior year in high school and that's going to happen in less than a year that's awful oh my god it's so why why is life structured like this it's crazy it's so wild and you were so kind too he came over and interviewed you for his film class and boy oh boy was that a feather in his car doing a little mini doc on cars and dad shepherds in his car he's so smart and such a kind lovely person and intel really cool stuff it's the best but it's going to be incredibly sad when he fucking leaves oh god yeah jesus well yeah you shut the door to an apartment in new york and that had some justification but the notion that you'll be shutting your door to your home when frankie leaves you'll go we're gonna have to deal with this yeah now we just have each other yes jesus maybe they'll come back my brother went back home for a while really like after college or okay he just recently left yeah wow yeah so you never know good for him i was panicking for my mom because that's even worse like then you have a really long time i think you probably trick yourself into this is forever right he'll live here this is just the way she gets to make sandwiches for him every day and now he's really gone did she have to go through the grieving all over again to youtube instead she likes youtube i think she's still just watching youtube she's out with a ton of shit and she's figured it out where do they live georgia so anyway i was like oh no and also she just lost her dad i was like oh my god my brother's leaving that's happening this is a disaster but she's well you know what when that happens sometimes the second time they leave instead of this middle ground yeah maybe it's like okay i remember when i came back in between years at school i had only been gone for eight months and i remember moving back into my mom's house and she was a little like huh okay yeah you're here now she had processed she already moved on so there was some adjusting to happen the baby winners did it quicker they know how to get through something like that's right okay now back to severance so those are kind of unique circumstances in which you were filming the first and so here's what happened as you know it's my favorite show told you non-stop we got six screeners for the upcoming season oh you did which we were ecstatic about i came in and i lord these few things i get over because kristen has access to everything in the world i'm never offering something cool and i'm like uh i guess who's got six episodes of next season so so excited sign in to watch them and i go let's watch the recap i don't know if you've done the same thing i had the same crisis of morality where i was like i want to so bad but i don't think i should and mainly actually because i want to be watching while the world is watching there's something about you being like wait a week that makes it really fun but that's not why i didn't watch the new ones i watched the recap and i was like hon are you remembering this yeah yeah and she's like not as much as normal chris i can really remember a tv show monica will tell you come back from game of thrones she's still remembering so i was like i'm inclined to start over which i've done i can't recommend this enough to people you should start right now in anticipation i'm doing the same thing because ben and i are hosting a podcast which i hope to be on yes where we go through every episode of the first season and we'll be doing a weekly thing for season two i love that and re-watching the show i haven't seen in a long time and it's been three years so we're encouraging people to re-watch the whole season i can't believe how much i forgot about it and i can't believe how much i'm enjoying re-watching i think more than i've ever enjoyed re-watching there's a lot of it that feels like i'm watching for the first time that's great i think there's a gap between seasons but then also the density of it and the subtlety of it and it's interesting watching it knowing more about it i think you get more from it but anyways all that to say i didn't watch any of the news season because now i'm on episode four chris went out of town i already decided fuck her i'm going out without her which is another rare i don't do that that's a tough decision to make whether or not you're going to be honest about it or re-watch those episodes pretending it's the first time yeah three viewings before we yeah that's right i guess my fear because i love the show so much what do you do with the second season right how long did that take for them to crack that also dan is that the writer creator's name yeah the only thing he had ever written for before this was lip sync battle damn man do you know the story he wrote for lip sync battle he sent the pilot for severance as a writing sample to red hour yeah and nicky one stock and jackie kong at red hour read the script and thought it was great and brought it to ben and so yeah it was more of a sample like hey i'm a writer but they were like what about this as an actual thing and dan was working at a door factory when that sample was sent to red hour yeah in what's it here somewhere good for us we're manufacturing doors yeah doors listen without doors he's just the coolest guy and brilliant obviously and he and ben just started working on this and developing it and jackie and nicky i'm sure dan was kind of scooped up from nowhere having no real credits it's fun talking to him about the show and where it can go and stuff and he has it all in his head and also when he's thinking of something new it's really fun to hear him sort of go oh yeah that's cool and then little cul-de-sacs and roads he goes down he always takes an unexpected strange direction but also as far as the kind of language of lumen there's no one who can really crack it and write it like he can't it's a really particular thing that he invented and has a real direct line to is the strange phrasing and nomenclature of lumen and cure and this whole world it's really fun how much of ben's fingerprint is on it directorially because and i'll admit this i had not seen escape from dan war or it's not the first one i don't know why it didn't continue but we just watched it i don't know three weeks ago and fucking loved it it's amazing i just re-watched it too last week and did you see the parallels yes it's a similar thing you're like trapped in a world you don't have your autonomy you're trying to escape i don't know it's interesting yes i really zeroed in on this time watching dan amora how art figured into their lives because john totoro and christopher walken's characters particularly john irv his life is really connected to art and the paintings and the rules and all of the sort of culture of the world is really important to him and the guys in dan amora benicio del toro and paul dano's characters you know when you have very little your sort of stimuli is really cut off these things become really important and in severance it almost seems dangerous you're looking at all those hallways they're stark white they're meaningless and then the painting that he hangs up it's like the most exciting it's like the fucking sphere in vegas in that world totally and when christopher walken's delivering the new tote bags for the manual that's a huge deal yeah it's an event could you see all this stuff when you read the script not like this the tone of it was really found during the first season i think you know usually when you go back and watch the first season of any show that you know and love the first few episodes it's like okay they're figuring it out since we shot the season all at once we were still shooting the first episode 10 months in so something that worked in our favor is us finding our sea legs was spread out over the season there's no moment you can detect that and that's to ben and dan's credit were you guys worried were you like maybe we should put masks on and maybe we should redo the covet experience while we shoot season two right right to keep our isolation because that was magic and that's scary it's scary going back to anything that worked or works as much love i have for the show as i have anxiety about how we perpetuate this world in a way that ends up being satisfying logically it's a big endeavor you know when we started season two it was like there is this steep mountain in front of us holy shit okay let's go should i get in pulp fiction too dude yeah and just the enormity of it it's so much to do and i love that i love getting in and chipping away and i love working with ben something we have in common is we don't want to stop until we get it right i completely trust his taste and his eye and that's something that you have to have in a director is complete trust and how often is that but i do with him i have no business saying this evaluating his career in this way but i'm going to so it's like he did tropic thunder he made that movie so big and glossy and actiony which is cool he showed he could do that i was watching dan more i was like okay so this is him saying like i don't have to fuck with comedy i know exactly how to do drama and i feel like severance is the beneficiary of him having proved he can do everything and now letting in some of the comedy and the weirdness this to me just feels like the total synergy of all the previous work that's really interesting it's just like a confidence it can be anything because the show's often hysterical i think and it's just all things now yeah stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare okay walk-in and tuturo doesn't sound like you got to bond with them in season one too much because you guys were in lockdown with tuturo i did because we had so many scenes here with walk-in i can season one didn't really have all that much time with him i had a couple scenes and it was incredible to just be anywhere near christopher walken i couldn't fucking believe it yeah actually on my first day shooting with both of them it was like six weeks into the shoot and they both were starting on the same day and i was so excited and actually took a picture of the call sheet and sent it to my friend stew i was like guess who i'm working with tomorrow bro it's so fun to still be that excited oh my god i was so excited but couldn't get to sleep because i was so excited it's like four oh boy woke up not because of my alarm but because of pounding on my door i was supposed to get in the car at probably 6 a.m and it was 8 30.

oh no oh my god two and a half hours sleep set was an hour away oh no now it's running my assistant was pounding on the door which means he had time to drive from set all the way down to tribeca and pound on my door oh this was the first day with john tuturo and christopher walken oh my god have you bragged your buddy the night before yes which is the kiss of death right I let him in and was running around the apartment Crying Trying to get all my shit together Because usually I wake up with at least an hour of just time to drink coffee and read the fucking whatever Okay, so you finally show up on set Presumably you know these two legends who you can't wait to work with They've been told our lead after, we can't find them I just had to go apologize What did you say? I said, I am so sorry I just learned from China The thing that really sucked about it is that I knew No matter what I say, it's going to sound like bullshit No matter what I say I now have put myself in a position where I have to earn it back with these two guys Who I don't know And I've been working on this first impression now for a while And I am starting at a serious deficit Yeah, you're in a hole No matter what, I say no matter how gracious they are They're going to be like fucking dick The number one on the call sheet ends up being an asshole I might have been tempted, I don't know if it's manipulative It's also just dead honest I probably said to them, you're to blame I was so excited to work with both of you that I couldn't go to sleep till 4am That would have been a good move Maybe buried in some flattery But also that might have sounded like God, this guy's a pathological liar on top of being these guys a drug addict Probably That's what it is Just immediately went to Is that what you immediately think everyone is thinking about you Is this guy's a drug addict? I got relapsed Totoro was just like, oh, happens to everybody Happened to me In the 70s Yeah, right I have so much curiosity about both those gentlemen They're in a similar category from me Where there's this group of actors where I'm like They're so intrinsically interesting and unique and different That I almost can't believe they can also act They're so genuinely authentic I can't believe that Christopher Walken finishes work And then goes home and makes himself something to eat And watches television and goes to sleep Yeah, like what? Or he's behind the guy at the parking garage arm Who can't get his credit card to work He's just there for 12, 15 minutes Should I get out and try to help him?

He's dealing with that stuff Christopher Walken So to see him in the makeup chair looking at his phone I'm like, oh my Totoro is similar for me I went to see his directorial debut opening night in 92 Mac Anyway, I held all that back Until I got to know him a little bit And then eventually kind of unleashed it all on him And did he like it? Yeah, he's the coolest and such a sweet Who is he? He would be such a great person to have on We're trying Oh, I really love A fascinating guy And one of the great actors that we have I mean, he is a beautiful actor That's another word I feel is overused More so like 10 years ago But beautiful, everything's beautiful I like you describing him as beautiful And I have often described that That whole storyline on Severance It's hard to imagine that show without it I know It's really the heart of the show It really, really is It's beautiful It is fucking beautiful They're both beautiful The way they play it is just impossibly perfect They're really close friends And have been for a long time And it was John's idea To have Christopher Walken play that part You can just see the love there That they have for each other He was really taking care of Chris on set Not that he needs to be taken care of But he would come in for a scene every few weeks He was just so sweet and lovely And that's a rare thing to have someone Who is that kind of embedded in our consciousness I'm going to put you in that category Which is, I think the most impressive thing About those two from outside Not knowing them at all Is just going Yeah, man, these two are still fucking starving to make art Like they're still dying to express themselves I don't have that as much, sadly But I see that you have that a ton I think that'll be you As long as you want it to be you That's very good I'll close on this But you're doing that here I'm doing a different version I guess, yes No, we're all storytellers We should be fired right here, you guys The last thing I'll close with Is this an interesting conversation That we had this summer And I've played it back in my head A few times to double check That it didn't at all offend you But we were talking about The people that recognize you I don't know if you remember this conversation And there is an enthusiasm People have towards you That you have a hard time accepting I think as we all do But I was trying to explain to you Why I understand it very much so In regards to you Which is, I think you are for people What Nicolas Cage was for me Which is, this guy isn't The high school quarterback He's one of us And he got invited to the big party And he's the star of the big show And I see myself in him And I think that's a rad space to occupy And I don't know how you took that But I know that's how people feel about you That's how I feel about you I'm like, oh yeah The dude I was making jokes with In the classroom about the popular people He somehow is there I keep thinking about Nicolas Cage Walking out on that talk show And doing those kicks That's on Instagram all the time Have you gone down the full YouTube Rabbit hole of his compilations Of talk show appearances? No, I should He's number one of all time He's the best I'm just going to tell you He's talking to Letterman about You know Dave, I have this King Cobra It's Daryl or whatever his name is I just love getting home from work And I go over to see how Daryl is And I put up the sheet And Daryl just kind of like He looks at me He's saying hi And then all of a sudden He just says Fuck you, Nicolas Cage Just screaming at Letterman He's doing this Cobra Attacking the cage The fact that you thought He was attainable is so cool Yeah, that's amazing I thought I could get that wild I could see the direct line From Dex to Naila Cage And I'm sure Letterman loved that Yes Well, I'll say that That is so kind of you to say And I think that this show As a fan is so great And it is where you're able to Funnel and express yourself In a really direct Important way And I think you being so actualized And you journaling every morning Is a really important thing And the fact that there are As many people listening to this As there are hearing That healthy behavior from you Because listening to you Talk about that Makes me want to do it I'm like, yeah, that makes sense And without being preachy Or self-helpy about it You're just talking about yourself And how you're living your life And I think that that is Incredibly important And you're doing a lot of good Just by sharing yourself In a more direct way Than you would have been able to By acting You're really kind of sharing Your insides here And that's really hard to do So I'm grateful That you're doing this Well, thank you, Adam And I'm grateful That you're doing this, Monica Thank you From episode 7 To episode 807 Wow, what a gap 807?

Yeah, 807 That would be incredible Rob, what would it be? Oh, damn Oh, my God That's a lot of episodes So I just don't want you to Let 832 episodes go by Between the first and last Wow, that's a lot All right, everybody See Severance It comes out on Apple TV Plus On January 17th And the podcast Comes out on January 7th Two episodes initially And then weekly As the show unveils, yeah? Two episodes initially And then one episode per day Until season 2 premieres On the 17th And then season 2 We'll have one episode per week Okay, wonderful That's it, complicated I just gotta say This new season We also add Alia Shawkat Who we're obsessed with Merit Weaver Who I love to under Jackie Gwendolyn, Christy Brienne of Tarth Oh, wow This is so exciting These casting choices Are as good as it gets Yeah All right, that's all I love you Can't wait for a nice chit-chat Thank you Everyone watch Severance Thank you, Monica New shirt Old shirt New attitude Oh, boy Wow Who's Roxanne? I'm on a cross racer Oh You're on?

Oh, okay Did you take a little fall? Even though you haven't done it before Apparently you can still do them It's your New Year's resolution Great segue to talk about Don't die, that doc Because he was working So tirelessly on his splits Which I guess he had identified As something that was useful Yeah, well, limber Limber Limber and flexible That is, that's important That's why people stretch and stuff Yeah, it's just such a specific goal The splits I can see myself making one like that Because a lot of my goals Aren't totally logical Well, remember, it's Max's New Year's resolution To do the splits Yeah, and you said I don't think he can Because if you don't learn By a certain time I think there's an anatomic reality All this Not according to Don't Die guy Brian Johnson That's nice, you remembered his name I didn't think I had it But I do People don't know It's a talk about a guy Who has sold an internet company And has some $400 million Or something And is spending $2.5 million a year To reverse his aging And try to live as long as possible Yeah, he's doing it with this company Where they have seps And it's all in Like, it's wild It's diet, exercise It's his whole life It's just devoted to that Yeah And I didn't finish Oh, you didn't finish No, I got to a part That was a critical part of the story Where I think it explains A lot of his backstory And perhaps what led him here But then I stopped And then I forgot to pick it back up And I remember We were probably going to talk about it So I thought Oh, I should finish it But then I watched Conclave instead I did too Not in that order But I did see Conclave last weekend Which is not the type of movie I'm going to run towards Because it's the Catholic Church Sure But I'm going to get derailed by that One little pundit I didn't finish Because, again There's so many knee-jerk Immediate things you want to say about this And I was just kind of Wading through those And trying to resist that urge And you're watching all these pundits Who just They have vitriol for this man Like hatred They're so mad at this man For doing it Which, who cares Ultimately He made this money He can spend it any way he wants If anything He's dumping it right back Into the economy So maybe they should be delighted about that But there's some obvious things First and foremost You're right It appears at least from the doc That it's his entire day And then so yeah The first question begs for me Is like What's the point of being alive If the only thing you do While you're alive Is try to stay alive Do you think it's semi-relevant But then also No, that implies There's some qualitative way To measure how one's Spending their time I'm choosing to spend my time one way That would not be pleasurable For me to do it his way So yeah, for me That'd be a bad cost-benefit But for him I think he's very, very lonely The doc is kind of sad And sweet And sweet And his house looks like It's so nice But it looks empty And cold And cold It's very modern It's probably supposed to be cold So I think you're supposed to Keep your body kind of cold Sure And you probably shouldn't have Too much color Because maybe that's bad For your eyes or something I thought about him this morning I was like I am incredibly envious Of his 30 days in a row Of a 100 sleep score Yeah, that's That is dialed It is But then for what? Then you don't The energy you're saving Is used to just like Do the red light therapy And yeah However anyone wants to live a life If it's not causing harm For somebody else Is fine But I did think Spoiler This is sort of where I stopped But I got some information That he was Mormon Oh yeah, yeah You weren't really towards the end I think you're about Halfway through Yeah, that's probably right He was raised Mormon And had a Mormon family Before he left the church Yes, and his mom and dad Got divorced And the dad had his own struggles He loved coke Which made me like the dad right away And was in jail As a drinker He set up on all these friends To need a lot of control In his life This overlaps nicely With Aaron Rodgers doc Which I keep bringing up Because he was raised By his account A very, very constrictive Dogmatic version of Christianity That he found very, very cumbersome And you weren't allowed To question things And all the normal pushback But there does seem to be A little bit of a pattern Where people who were raised And that escape And find their way back Into another version of it Just missing the deity Yeah, of course It's a discipline You don't shed Your personality that much I mean, this is like Such a dumb anecdote But when I was home My brother was like Always sick of the holidays And he was staying at the house And he like came downstairs And he was like I feel that thing in my throat Where I'm definitely about to be sick Yeah And we were like And I was like Maybe not, you know Maybe it's just a little scratch You're probably fine And he was like Well, I know I know what this feeling is And then he went But whatever The next morning I came downstairs And I asked my mom I guess he's sick And she was like You'd know if he was sick And I was like What do you mean? And she was just saying He's just very vocal when he's sick He talks a lot about it He needs a lot And she said You have never been like that You just went to sleep Always since you were little If you were sick You just went away And just went to sleep And I was like Huh, I guess I still kind of do that When I'm sick And she was like Yeah, people don't change that much Yeah, right, right And like a mom can see From day one Till whatever You could do fast math 365 times 36 That's a biggie 37 37 13,505 Thank you That's it?

No, it's more than that 365 times 37 There's only what? 13,505 That seems like It's not that many I did it in my head So I might be wrong I did it in my head That's an Aaron Rodgers He can do insane amounts Of math in his head Oh, whoa Yeah, like his one kink He can square anything Real time You can throw him any number And he can square it Which is cool At any rate He has a very militant Some would applaud And I have no actual opinion on it But he is He's in a five day Silent room with no light He's on an ayahuasca trip Every few months He's Like if he's not playing football He is pursuing The spiritual path he's on But with a veracity That just feels very Still religious Yeah And then I of course I'm like Yeah, I don't believe There's a guy in the sky I understand why you're rejecting that But then there's also A lot of angles Of this ayahuasca thing Because you get to see And practice it a lot Where it's You know, to me It's just as You know, you gotta play drums And do the whole thing And incense And I'm like Or you're just out On another ledge Yeah, it has similar things Rituals And all of the same things That religion has Yeah, I guess You really just Community is the religion Community is the superpower The magic power The deity Anything when people get together And they agree on something And practice in a way It's whatever Yeah So back to the dude So yes, he was raised Mormon And so in some ways That he brings that same diligence And work ethic to this pursuit Yeah But what gets really sweet And sad about it Is he's very, very lonely You know, he had this Really bad experience With this one woman After he had been divorced Who he broke up with When she had cancer Oh And she sued him And said he should support her forever Because he's rich And you know, I'm like You don't get a severance package When you date someone It's just not Even if a person's rich That's not how dating works You don't get a severance package You're not owed Yeah So the guy very publicly Got sued by this woman And of course people just Because he's rich He's the oppressor And she's the oppressed Forget the other stuff But also because she had cancer That's tricky That's tricky I think for anyone to hear that It's a little like You left her during that Well again, you assume They left because the person had cancer Well no, but the problem is When you leave someone In their time of need Regardless of how bad they are Personally I mean, this gets complicated It's a bad look It's a bad look But you can imagine You've been with someone for a year You're already on the verge of breaking up And then they get a cancer diagnosis You're like, I was already out There's no way I have the capacity To now care for you for two years And I was already not Wanting to be with you I don't know But anyways He's lonely He has this boy And his son and him Are so so close And his son also had left the religion So he's the only way to say They can relate on that And the kid's gonna go to college And you can tell he's really Really scared about losing his buddy And all that's really touching And by the end I liked the guy I guess is what I'm saying That's nice, yeah So he does have a company That's helping him But also he's going down to This little You know, there's a smidgen It's called like Opportunity Land Or something down in Honduras They carved out this little Prosperia I think it's called The government granted This little area On a peninsula And basically Total free market everything You don't have to know FDA So there's a lot of Experimental medicine happening And there's a lot of Crypto weird financial stuff Happening It's just free for all It's a free for all Wow And he goes down there And he gets this Genius therapy which is not allowed anywhere but prosperia so he has got a company and a pro company also he's going rogue he goes rogue and then when you enter a path like this i don't know if you can help but go rogue because yeah i'm on the ladder somewhere like i'm doing things with the goal of living a long time to see my grandkids and i'm doing a lot more things than other people do yeah and they likely think i'm spending too much time doing that or whatever um and for me it feels completely normal it's not taking over my life and yeah again i think whatever people are doing for themselves to get through life uh if it's not hurting people is fine i think people maybe rightly so maybe not i don't know it's a scale of luxury right like this guy gets to because of his work like you know he created this thing and he made this money because over it work non-stop because of that he has the luxury to devote his life to living forever and i think for a lot of people who watch that they might say like oh that's crazy but there's probably an element of well why does he get to devote his time to living forever and i don't i have grandkids or you know i want to live to see my grandkids and i have to work a nine-to-five i can never do that and so there's just it just gets hard i would like to do something very self-serving but i don't really know how else to get the message out i desperately need a tattoo artist in la i don't fly anywhere i don't have to fly here um i want a good tattoo artist who is open to this is a total transaction going in and altering all of my tattoos enough that it is now an original piece of work and then sign me over the rights to that and i will pay for that so that i own my art and can go short sleeve in commercials again got it someone experiencing cover-ups okay experiencing cover-ups yeah if you could um hit me in the comments of this episode and i'll find you but i definitely need to sit down and have someone go through and alter every single thing so i can have my arm back that was also but i've been meaning to i don't know how to solve that yeah great anything else you want any appeals to the audience you want to put out there you looking for any specialists in any categories no no conclave what a movie conclave was great um please see it i think it's like a hard sell just based on the genre it's it's a pope movie kind of it's really not it's about the process of electing vetting electing um a pope yeah and it's so much more complicated and human it's so human yeah at the end of the day even though it's supposed to be godly and um you know above us it's not it's people making these decisions there's ambition and power the things i like right away is they are encased in traditions down to the tiniest things like the way it starts in the way you take the ring off the pope and there's a device that already exists you put the ring in this thing you chisel off this one piece and that instrument exists and then the wax press and every single thing has a way of doing it and an order to it and all these little devices that go along with it i think to add validity and credence to the whole thing i mean it's very calculated but there's something i loved about watching all these little weird customs that go along with this whole process it's really good shout out to tucci yeah stanley tucci was in it love him so much devil's product friend of the pod yes ray fines is good too oh my god he's so good can you explain to me why ralph fines is ray fines that still is a big mystery to me i'm just not sure okay but his name is r-a-l-p-h fines yes and you pronounce that ray fines yeah that's a huge mystery to me yeah i guess maybe his parents made that up i don't know um because you know his brother joseph his brother i think is ralph fine spelled r-a-y it's apparently a uk tradition is he oh it's like ralph is rap rife rife strange english quirk where something is pronounced entirely different than i was now well his brother the other actor joseph joseph fines he doesn't have a fun one like that he doesn't get to go by like zoe right people do sacrifice a lot for what they believe to be bigger than them not everyone does but a lot of people do i think a lot of people try to do it and then there's just cracks everywhere yeah that's probably true i mean again it's back to the don't die like i think that's fine like that's their decision yeah i actually think it's a fairly noble one whether it's possible or not i think the person is noble about it why is it good to not have had sex with a woman that's not it it's giving up your life to the service of something else got it not having sex part is a piece of that that they've decided um that i didn't grow up in that so i can't speak to it you know but they whatever have their own reasons for it and so we're going back speaking of giving up your life for your sacrifice you know sacrificing i remembered during the fight you know the fires are still happening but they're getting contained more and more contained which is really good my hot professor yeah he was a firefighter before he was a professor yes and i just it just like occurred to me when i was walking and i was like oh yeah of course gotta get it all i know he had brains he had brawn and firefighting skills by the time this airs i'll have gone to see the lions play which i'm so excited oh that's great oh yeah yeah is it a playoff game yeah they had a bye we said they had to sit up the first round of the playoffs and now we commence that's very exciting they're gonna play the washington commanders commanders yeah okay were they not so they were the washington redskins correct which is a no-no for obvious reasons so they got rid of that name but weren't they for several years rob just called like washington football team yeah yeah a lot of sports there's like a hockey team like that right now too that's just the hockey team oh that's kind of cool they take a little while to name and brand everything so there's like two or three seasons occasionally where they're not a real team yet it's just so funny um are you gonna go to the washington the washington football team game doesn't have a great utah hockey club right now the utah hockey club that sounds so triple a or it does sound really far down though it doesn't sound like nhl yeah that's true hockey club hockey friends Detroit hockey friends well that's very exciting yes i'm taking my boyfriend aaron fun oh that'll be great we also get to be on the field during warm-up and stuff oh cool yeah that's very oh very excited you're gonna be like the mcconaughey i mean i don't deserve to be the mcconaughey nobody can be the mcconaughey but of course i would love to be mcconaughey and i haven't earned being mcconaughey mcconaughey has not missed uh longhorn's game i think in 30 years he has left vacations you know that incredible story i told that kutcher told me that he heard him partying very late at night in the bahamas at four in the morning then we woke up at nine and turned on the football game mcconaughey was magically standing on the field yeah he knows how to teleport he's the only one yeah so i just i don't even deserve that but um and i'm also wondering if i bump into other detroiters like leslie sam richardson you know i see any of these folks that's very funny m&m who i've never met if they go to the super bowl are you gonna go no where is the super bowl new orleans new orleans new orleans the caesar superdome you've been to the super bowl i've been twice um for work i went once for ellen and once to promote chips and as i said it's the only two times in my life i've been nervous somewhere yeah i just don't like what kind of uh targeted i don't know i just start ruminating and then i enjoy the super bowl so much being at home and eating the snacks and being able to actually follow the game this was even a decision when i was like do i go to one of the early playoff games or you know god willing they'll go all the way do i go to a later one and i was like no it's getting more and more intense i actually need to be at my house watching play by play with a close-up and hearing calls and all this stuff because i can't follow things all that well in person yeah i'm not great at that i'm distracted i feel like football is a newer interest and that's fun yeah it's not my sport i'll watch two or three games throughout the year tops yeah but i do generally watch the playoffs because i want to be very excited about the super bowl because i love the super bowl this is a holiday yeah and i feel like i can amplify it if i actually know the stakes and who went through what to get there yeah so i generally will start watching and maybe the second round of the playoffs but the detroit thing is the only thing i watched a ton of detroit games i put it as a season pass and i actually watched all the games i know i think it's fun to have a new new interest as we get older sure yeah you gotta fight the um inclination to stop being interested in anything i think that's a natural arc of life yeah interest in less and less things stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare have you seen the coach dan campbell dan campbell's bigger than all of the players he is an enormous he's an ex-player oh cool and he just has an enormous head and neck and shoulders and it's really encouraging for your leader to look bigger than the players yeah like at any moment he might pad up i like a coach that knows the game personally like at waffle house when they have the ceo oh they do yeah you have to serve some time yeah do all the jobs uh-huh break up a couple thousand fights at 2 a.m exactly okay jj reddick the lakers coach okay isn't he uh you know the funny thing is rob knows fantasy football is that fair to say rob yeah yeah like he doesn't have any coach on his roster i know there's no reason i still expect you to know all of it i did win charlie's league this season you had gibbs though right uh yeah i did a lot of bangles players so the running back right now for the detroit lions is absolutely insanely talented and he got four touchdowns in the viking games which was a lions record and he is young very tiny and unstoppable that's awesome okay i'm right about jj reddick he's the head coach of the lakers and this is a sad thing but i didn't know that and i saw he popped up on my instagram because he lost his home okay but i was looking at him and i was like this is the coach he looks so young oh okay this is now the age brett you've entered yes now i'm at this point where i'm like what is going on but he is 40 which is better i thought he was younger than me when i saw and i got very well you're unnerved i think you can measure your age in this very predictable way where it's like for a long long time all the players are older than you then you have a moment in your early 30s where you go oh geez i'm older than all the professional athletes and that's startling yeah but then you still have the coaches yeah and now i am at the age monica where i am older than quite a few of the nfl coaches which seems impossible growing up those were all old old men it's part of it also that they are higher and younger i think they are they are okay yeah yeah speaking of age because we were really trying to figure out while we're watching it nate and i had an impromptu dinner last night at morton's our home base he was saying how much he liked watching the clips of brolin oh and just how masculine brolin is i'm just talking about how could there be more masculine then we're talking about no country for old men then we gotta watch that shit we still watch once upon a time in hollywood together and then i just had this moment of recklessness and i go should we go right now watch no country on a school night wow and we did we came back here and we watched no country for old men last night damn near he left like 11 30 at night on a week that night but brolin is 38 in that movie but he carries himself like he's a little over 40 we concluded okay you know he looks like a man that's been around for a while and then javier bardell what a performance i mean he won the academy award for it that was in 2007 2007 that's so long ago it's so long ago woody harrelson's very young in it brolin's 38 great movie very unsatisfying name a great movie i am accumulating a list of re-watches i would like to re-watch minority report interesting okay tom cruise and spielberg yeah i'm gonna watch it tonight i'm gonna watch it tonight well this is a little bit about movies because adam scott loves movies he's a movie file a cinephile a cinephile oh also we talked about words that have entered the zeitgeist that people atelier you know things people are saying too much really there's a new one oh there is yeah i learned um i learned that elevated is out people say elevated a lot like yeah it's this but elevated yeah yeah but no one says that now no we're not people say it too much oh i was thinking you were saying it was canceled and i couldn't wait to hear the connective tissue no it's like atelier it's like everyone's just saying it but i don't think so elevated is already a little pedestrian though it's not foreign elevator elevate atelier and artisanal those have the you know appeal of being foreign and very exclusive we were just talking in general about words that are just overused even you said beautiful when people are like oh like it's so beautiful like using beautiful a ton yeah and elevate i learned it's somebody said they were so annoyed by that word and i was like i do hear it a lot my trigger isn't there you say about glimmer glimmer that was the thing that came up in comments a while back when we were saying there should be a positive version of triggered oh and a lot of people wrote oh there is a term for it and it's glimmer huh yeah it's when you're activated like if you're triggered you're activated right by a word yeah in a negative way generally but a glimmer is something that activates you but in a very positive way oh because i'm some facts i was talking about being triggered in a really good way oh right and i was like the word feels wrong and i learned there is a term and it's glimmer or glimmered but my specific trigger about atelier and um artisanal is it feels elitist it feels like it's someone trying really hard to sound super sophisticated and so that's my trigger it reeks to me of being a snob whereas elevated doesn't do that for me sure you know i get it i get that but they're ironically they're not trying to be a snob they're trying to be elevated sure which is a little bit snobbery all right where are where skull manufactured rally dorm its corporate headquarters are located in richmond virginia and it maintains factories in clarksville and nashville tennessee franklin park illinois and hopkinsville kentucky copenhagen skull are the company's best-selling brands and each represents more than one billion dollars per year in retail sales this is a little bit tempting for me to get back on chewing tobacco the notion that i could be getting it fresh off the line in nashville is very tempting fresh yeah minutes old you could get it minutes old brings me back to the the roof on the hot dog and hamburger bun factory in detroit and we got to have hot dog buns that came right out of the conveyor belt and they were one of the most delicious things i've ever had in my life you can't imagine how good they are a second after they are they yes but is it it's so hard to know it's mental it's really hard to know i guess but then you're kind of getting into placebo effect sure which is real yeah remember when we went to the hawaiian sweet roll and sweet yeah king's hawaiian sweet that and we got them straight off the bell and what do you think how do those taste of course they taste amazing but i also know i i don't i know what i don't know and i can't know if that's placebo or not i mean hot one is just that it's hot but it's like it's not even set yet like the molecules haven't even totally formed the thing that also made that um king's hawaiian sweet bread factory tour so awesome is that at this tasting station where we're eating them right off the conveyor belt there was a block of butter the size of that refrigerator i've never seen a block of butter that big in my life it must be what they dump into the mix and we just had these fucking spades that we were just carving off huge chunks of butter and slathering it all over you know butter sculptures are thing now no yeah people are getting into butter sculptures oh so they should use that big butter and make it into some sort of yes just like every part that's not david okay now okay it's 27 the age you start going downhill between 25 and 30 physically physical physically physical peak between 25 and 30 that's not to say you shouldn't keep working on your exercise and your physique as you said you've never been in better shape yes i'm i think i'm superior to my 27 year old yeah for 7 11 chili dogs a day and 12 pack of beer at night and pack and a half of camel lights but i guess in some ways you wear your physical peak because now if you did all that you'd die i this morning when journaling i'm like i what is going on like i couldn't sleep for longer than an hour last night i woke up with a headache and my body's so sore i'm like what happened to me sprinting's not helping for sure yeah and the air's bad i mean we all have headaches i'll leave this to you to decide if it's too gross for the fact check it likely is but at the same time i am proud as a peacock about this as you know i shared in the past um a weird hobby of mine is i do like to weigh myself in the morning right before i go evac because i'm curious i want to know how much that weighs yeah and i have been doing that for a year or two what's the biggest it's never above a pound and a half okay there are times i look and i go well buckle up we're gonna this is okay never been up more than a pound and a half i swear to god this was four mornings ago three mornings ago i couldn't finish journaling i had to go evac and it had been i didn't have a couple good days prior to that oh okay the first round was robust then i was doing some posting then run run run run run run run run run are you going back and forth i used to say i'm in there for probably 30 i just read i just read that's really really bad yeah but which you've had and they can have a good laugh if i get them but yeah i thought you've had them no never had a hemorrhoid thank goodness you've had an anal fissure yeah i wouldn't believe this if i told if someone told to me i got on the scale i was 197.8 i was on it for a half hour isn't that guy's parents i never had my life got on 193.8 no yes it's hard at water though no i repeat a bunch but very little pee came out was a diarrhea what do we call diarrhea it was like water it wasn't water but but it was mud then there's water in there whatever the case okay i 3x my previous i thought about that every 20 minutes the whole rest of the day yeah it's like hard to compute four pounds like at your body weight that's almost five percent of your total mass in 30 minutes i've never had an experience like that that was a lot it was wild did you feel much lighter after i felt so much better i woke up that morning cranky headachy body achy got all the poison out yeah i felt good i did my sprints that day were you much faster there's no way for me to know i just run as fast as i can i'm just clicking my clicker my clicker so john torturo he said mac first movie 1992 now in the wonder plus i said he was wrong and he's not wrong oh interesting yeah this is really i actually think thanks to the how hard it is to get facts no i actually think if we go back so i said he's right mac 1992 oh wait he's wrong like i read the same thing i'm reading yeah but i think my brain definitely wasn't working that day but i was like no it's illuminata 1998 so i think in my head 1998 was before 1992 okay but six years after but actually upon reflection yeah yeah so so he's right he's right mac in 1992 first film he directed i'm not surprised he's right not because i think you're prone to be wrong but just he is such a steel trap with these i agree i was surprised that he was wrong it turns out he didn't need to be surprised because he was right yeah what's the name of nicholas cage is king cobra he has two sheba and moby great names they're really good names for a king cobra yeah i already can't compute let's get some of the animals that live outside to live inside our house although i caveat to that there are three birds that going on now four months it used to drive me a little crazy because i'll be in bed during my hair's whapping on the window they fly out of the train and they try to sit on a little piece of the window there's a little green guy he's a little guy he's about this big and he's green and he sits there and he packs up the window and flaps his wings then he goes back in the bush and comes back up then we have these two larger birds with a big red crest and long tail feathers they are also on this so there's something about this window in the bathroom and i can't decide if they want to come in or they're just curious or they're confused i don't know what's going on but we have a veritable aviary just outside the window that's exciting are you putting out food no i was kind of laughing at that like the amount of effort i put into getting crows to crows and to no avail and i'm doing nothing for these three birds and they want to get involved it's a life lesson hard to get no one wants availability they don't no jesus all right that's it that's everything yep that's it for adam i'm sure you love that boy what a lovely man he is he's the loveliest man i'm just delighted i got to meet him and we're sorry that the crickets came in the middle of his sweet moment was it audible i didn't hear it but if you heard it um all right all right