Rest in Pain

Diane, it's 907 PM. Welcome to the fourth installment of Twin Peaks Peaks. We're going to be talking about episode three or rest in pain. First for Revival News, there is none this week, but if you're in London, there will be a pop-up Twin Peaks restaurant open this summer called The Owls Are Not What They Seam.

A pop-up restaurant, you say Ashley Brandt, one of the two hosts of this podcast who definitely introduced themselves 10 seconds ago? I mean, we know my mom. Do you want to introduce yourself? It's okay, don't worry.

I'm Matt Olson. I pretend to be Dale at the top of every show, and sometimes David Lynch. So, a pop-up restaurant explicitly tied into the Revival. That's what this news is.

Not explicitly tied into the Revival. Is show time related to this? Anyway, I don't know. I feel like if they were, they'd be savvy enough to actually name the pop-up restaurant after a place in the show, rather than just a Twin Peaks reference.

But there's already the real double R diner. Where can you really go from there? It's actually not called the double R. At least anymore.

I don't think it was ever actually called the double R. So, R's were added to the sign of the North Bend restaurant to give it a different identity. But as of right now, it's called Tweeds. Whoa, okay.

We'll see with the Revival coming part of our plan, I think broadly, is that we will take a trip out to North Bend and nearby filming locations and kind of report back to the podcast. But the times I've been to Tweeds, it's full of Tweedie Bird. The Tweedie Bird plushies up around the wall, like right underneath the ceiling, just ringing the diner. And it has nothing to do with Twin Peaks.

The way I'm picturing that is really eerie and very valley of the uncanny. No, it's just really kitschy. And that's a weird thing. On the side, it says, you know, home of Twin Peaks, pie and coffee, whatever.

And you can, if I recall, you can see a couple references otherwise within the diner. But there was a fire in it at one point in the mid 90s, I think. So it's renovated to look kind of different from how it looks in the pilot. And yeah, there's just a bunch of the Looney Tunes Bird there.

Otherwise, if you didn't know that, you would go into that diner and think, oh, this is their kitschy thing, even though they have this called TV show that could be their kitschy thing. That's so weird. Yeah, that's your Revival News and North Bend Washington back of the week. Do you think it costs to enter this pop-up shop in London?

Well, you already told me and I made a kind of scoffing sound at it. So just let the audience in. 65 pounds, which is like, I don't know the conversion rate, but that is... That's like approaching or over $100.

It's too much money. It's far too much money. You know, well, you do you. If you're a Twin Peaks fan in the aisles, they call it the big calling in the aisles.

I don't think so. I would call that whatever. We'll roll with that. The other thing that I'm just going to mention is, so whenever I look up Twin Peaks News that bar in Texas where that biker shoot out comes up.

So I hope that that gets incorporated into the Revival just to make more sense of the world around me personally. Chill. Okay. Rest in pain.

A questionable choice for an episode title. If I do say so, go out on a limb. I don't really like it as an episode title. Yeah, it's definitely a downturn from Zen or the art or the skill to catch a killer.

Yeah. So to recap and brief, this one, I mean the centerpiece of the episode is Laura Palmer's funeral. But the episode does start sort of in the immediate aftermath of this dream that Cooper has in the previous episode where he ends up, you know, waking up out of it and then calling Harry and saying that he knows who killed Laura Palmer. So that's where we're starting.

Then we go to the funeral. And the other important addition in this episode is Maddie Ferguson. Laura's identical cousin played by Cheryl Lee, the same actress who plays Laura. Yeah, identical cousin is a very common occurrence in real life.

I'm not even an actual cousin. That's a lie. That's not true. You made that up to be funny on the podcast and we're better than that.

It's really late. It's really late later than normal. You're going to go to bed right after we record this and I'm going to edit this and upload it right after we record this. It'll be great.

We get Maddie and prior to Laura's funeral, we get the, well, we get a confrontation scene in the hospital and we also get any episode kind of the results of Albert's autopsy, which kind of sheds a little bit more light on the mystery surrounding Laura's death. Yeah, I think that this episode kind of closes the door on the action from the first two episodes in the pilot in a certain sense because we are burying Laura Palmer and sort of we're no longer going to be like working with her brother. Or like not kind of forensic evidence and it kind of opens up all of the loose thread that kind of govern the rest of the series. Yeah.

So the very start of the episode you had mentioned or had thought about fans being the then current fans as this was airing being upset in a way like both confused by the dream sequence and then like a set like that. Oh, I know we did it and then episode just ends and they have the way to eat. And then we open with a very long credit sequence this week, which I feel like is just because they listed the names of absolutely everybody in town because the funeral scene. Yeah, pretty cool.

Like it's the regular open credits, then a little bit tacked on and then they're still running when we come on Audrey in the Great Northern. Yeah. And we open with Audrey and Cooper and then we pretty quickly go from Audrey and Cooper and they're like flirtation and establishing that Audrey was the one who slipped a one at Jack. No, under Cooper's door.

And her handwriting has a right word, dill or right word, slant, which indicates a heart that yearns. Yeah. Scribes Audrey to a tee. Yeah, a heart that yearns.

Yeah, I have to touch on again briefly going through the show again this time. This viewing for me, these scenes have a little bit of a creepier edge to them. I don't know why or how. I don't know why my opinions changed.

Yeah. Maybe it's because I would not feel comfortable dating someone who is in Audrey's age range now. Probably that probably has a lot to do with it. I can still have some part of my mind brain be like, I wish I was just like Dale, but I would not flirt with high school anymore.

Thank you. So I was into the director's commentary with Tina Rafford and she actually said that the reason that she kind of opened with the shot of Audrey and their interactions was sort of because everyone on the crew was actually assuming that they were going to become a couple. It was like this unspoken thing that was sort of like implicit in like the character like constructions and in like the scripts themselves. Interesting.

Well, we add to that plot line and then Lucy and Sheriff Truman show up and we get to talk about the dream. Oh boy. I wrote down what is one of my stealth favorite lines from the entire series. I am, you know, I've seen season one what four times before this and how is my fifth viewing of season one.

I always forget about this line. Nothing beats the taste and station when maple syrup and then clap. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to blow up your speakers clap.

Collides with him. Does, does Dale Cooper, does special agent Dale Cooper say anything more true than that in the entire show? High-pods it. Not maple syrup and ham.

Delicious combo. And to see Colin McLachlan bring his limitless acting talents to putting that message on network television is just, it's so heartwarming. Anyway. That was beautiful.

I feel very strongly about. I actually want to bring this up at some point and I don't know probably waste an entire episode talking about it with you is the role that food plays in the show. Yeah. I've kind of woken up to food as a window into character and even more broadly theme and you can use food to force out.

You can use food in interesting ways whereas a lot of TV shows you wonder when characters eat even or you'll see characters frequently in dining places but you'll never actually really just like watch them sit down to enjoy a meal there. For instance the cafe from Friends. Now you might not expect out of a sitcom but whatever food is incorporated into Twin Peaks it's usually enjoyed or at least being talked about being enjoyed. At length too.

Yeah. So we should spend some time on that in the future. Yeah. We'll book mark that.

So basically the big thing about this scene with Dale and Harry and Lucy is that Cooper in fact does not remember who killed Laura Palmer. Nope. It could not in fact wait until morning. Yeah.

I love how this scene is played. Lucy's little actions as she's there to take notes are just so damn funny. Kenny Robertson that's her name right. I was just searching for and I did a feat of remembering.

I've done several feats of remembering actors and actors as names this week. I'm feeling really good about myself because this is like oh I had to make sure I'm going to get this and write it down on my page. Matt's just coming to me now. She's so great in this scene and otherwise like doesn't like this is a scene that is weird because it is a information dump but all except for the most important piece is sensibly the identity of the killer.

It's interesting to hear the dream filtered through Cooper's through Cooper's speech and what he gleaned from it that isn't immediately obvious if you watched the entire dream sequence from the last episode. And it's great that Harry is there to have this reaction of like being like why are you wasting my time with this? No, instead he first asked if it was a dream about to that. So he's kind of like he's bought in.

He's walked the ride and we'll learn how much more he trusts in Dale's instincts and leanings later on. But then Lucy's there to just like do her job and it's like the cutest like funniest moment in the whole episode. I think her her her little reactions to his speech. Yeah.

But no, no identity of the killer provided and I bet we'll talk about that when we talk about the forums. We will. Yeah, I'm saving it for a little for that to a certain extent. But what I was kind of thinking about just like in terms of like evaluating like that sort of plot device to like pretend that the answer is near and then take it away.

I remember the first time I watched it being like really frustrated and like understanding why that was necessary for the plot because this is obviously like the driving force behind Cooper being in town and he's such a huge part of the show and the structure of the plot that there's no way that they could just take him out of some piece, especially because he's the vantage point for the viewer. But anyway, watching it this time, I was thinking about how in dreams, sometimes you know that you know information without knowing what the information is. Do you know what I mean? Are we going to get deep down the rabbit hole talking about dreams now?

I do know what you mean, but I don't know if we want to start pulling examples out of our own lives. Do we? Is that good? I don't know.

Weird dream this week that I've been thinking about. Oh, you did mention that briefly to me. Yeah. I don't know if we need to talk about that on the show.

We'll leave Dream Corner for another time as well as we've heard. But I feel like it could be totally possible to wake up in the middle of the night and think that you have this information. One thing that I think is the show does incredibly well is that it doesn't just throw in things like a dream sequence from last episode, just purely for the sake of being weird. It would be a very cheap thing and a novel thing for a TV show nowadays to have some kind of inscrutable sequence in it that may or may not shed light on the plot or a character's background or something.

And that's kind of like, you know, I can't think of a single TV show that would do it, but I mean, it would generate think pieces and articles and get people talking on internet forms. It would do that. But in Twin Peaks, very early on, they established not only characters trust in each other about kind of the supernatural leanings of this town and other people in it. And people just start to take it and stride.

You know, I think the Log Lady is a great example. Her introduction is just that we call her the Log Lady. And then when she starts offering to let people talk to her log, no one's just like what the hell are you saying? Yeah.

Everything has its own internal logic and a lot of it will pay off. And at that point, if you're frustrated by the fact that the show is going to play with conventions by obviously dangling the carrot of Ainokita Killers, it's like they're not going to tell you by episode three, four. You're not going to reveal that. If you're a viewer who's super frustrated with that, like I only have a shrug of my shoulders because it's just like that's cool.

I think one of the cool things about Twin Peaks is that it's to me is that, oh god, this should have been saved for like episode 12 or something, is that while the town and the events are, unbelievable, you're still able to suspend disbelief a lot of time. Like I'm still able to, through the characterization and dialogue trust that Cooper has a sense of things and has a direction and isn't just like a weirdo. Yeah. Well, I think that the characters specifically are constructed so as to like illicit sympathy, if not empathy from the viewer, which I think definitely helps prevent the viewer from being alienated from the series.

It probably helps that the first time I watched the show, I knew that the killer would be revealed late into the run. That was just something I knew. I didn't know the identity of the killer. And in that case, like, it's, I don't know, like I also binge watched it.

So even if I'm not remembering some kind of missed moment of like, oh, I was frustrated, I didn't get more clues out of that sequence. Hey, you know what, I could just sit there and watch and put your episodes until I got what I wanted out of the show. Break the code, solve the crime. I'm in it.

I'm in the trip. Some people are, some people in the show are less empathetic towards characters. That's true. In this episode, Albert definitely not feeling the warm fuzzies around the time of...

He is not as enchanted between pukes or enchanted at all. It's a really strong contrast to Dale. Doltz dunts his dullards and dumbbells. I really, really like that.

He has a way with words that man. Again, I gosh it out on my episode, but I love Miguel Ferrer in this. And I wish that I had seen him do a great role in anything else. Like I see Miguel Ferrer turn up in other things, but nothing that like is memorable to me.

It's a great role. And he's great in the autopsy room. I like almost find it a little unbelievable that the family would want to forego this important forensic discovery for the sake of the funeral. Like I know they have it scheduled.

It's like a whole thing. But at the same time, like it seems like they're skipping out on like some potentially important information about their daughter's death. Yeah. I find it weirder though.

I mean, we've seen the state of Leland and Sarah Palmer. But I know that, like I know this as a viewer and I know this is something that's embedded in the, in the, in the consumers themselves embedded as a watching third party in the going on Twin Peaks, Leland and Ben Horn are business partners. You may refer to your business partner in a time like this to be your stand in, but Ben Horn is just so slimy. Yeah.

Like I don't imagine anybody in Twin Peaks is looking at Ben Horn and being like, Ben's a stand up guy. Like everybody, like it's alluded that everybody had to know that Laura was in some shit. Like everybody has to know that Ben is like not an okay on the level dude. Yeah, absolutely.

And yet he's there. He is the representative for the Palmer family. And just hanging out in the autopsy room, which seems like it should be breaking some kind of like police medical code of some kind about who has access to the body that's like the site of discovery for a homicide. I mean, I guess in this case, I mean, it goes back to the struggle at hand, which is Albert and Dauquet.

We're trying to, you know, exert their, their authority. But then Dale comes in and things get settled and we have a funeral. Oh, do we have a funeral? We have, we have Bobby before a funeral.

Afraid? Afraid? Dana Ashbrook doing some amazing acting in this episode. I this time around watching the show probably because I thought about it more for the sake of the podcast.

It's more of a treat whenever Don Davis is on screen and he gets great scenes as Bobby's dad with Dana. And, you know, we should talk about maybe, I feel like I clearly have my favorite characters, James Hurley. Very few people's favorite character. In fact, quite a lot of people's least favorite character, James Hurley.

But I don't think, and the thing is that like, I'm drawing the comparison here because Bobby and James were in, you know, kind of in competition with each other, both, you know, ostensibly Laura's boyfriend. But could not be more different as characters. And I feel like they're both kind of in terms of the drama on the same level, you know, but from, from different sort of, at the same level in terms of intensity, but with like different hang ups and problems. Because we see James be vulnerable and weepy and that's those are very intense moments.

And we see Bobby, you know, this is like, this is like textbook. Like this is a situation where overacting is like, you almost expect it. But every time Dana as Bobby has one of these weird outbreaks, I'm like, I'm just like, I love watching it. It's not bad.

It's like enthralling. But watching James cry and later croon sometimes is a little bit like me as on chalkboard. Well, I think that like, like Bobby has actually given interesting lines and like motivations. Like he's not angry about like Laura being dad or like him being a suspect.

He's like angry at like this accusation that he's like afraid of something. And I think that that like, it's like an interesting and like complicated choice for his character. I was like, James is sad and this is just like, my mom's gone. My girlfriend's dead.

He's having a, Bobby here is having a real crisis of masculinity because his dad is trying to do a very good dad move of being like, Hey, funerals are weird. This one, especially so you don't have to be afraid. Like I'm here as your, as your father, we can, I can be like a shoulder for you. And he just blows up.

And it's a scene that I never given that much thought to before. But who does, who does Dana? Yeah. Yeah.

And he also has some interesting lines at the funeral as well. Kind of accusing the entire town of having dropped the ball hard with Laura. Yeah. Everybody, everybody knows.

And yet this happened. That's one thing that is much of the show connects Laura to so many characters. I feel like it is, it is a harder to swallow claim that everybody knows because, you know, it is still at its heart, a small town. And like, for instance, Norma, like Norma is associated with criminal activity by way of her husband Hank.

But Norma just knows Laura as the girl who did Meals on Wheels. Like, you don't get to see how a good handful of characters were ever supposed to come in contact with Laura's problem side. Everybody who we know has contact with Laura's problem side is like immediately fingers of suspect. And yet we have a huge cast of characters beyond that.

So I do feel like sometimes the accusations of everybody in the town, you know, Laura had a problem. Like in my years ring a little hollow, especially because like, then you have people who could not give less of a shit about what was going on with Laura Palmer and the high schoolers because they want to say burn the mill down. Yeah, that's true. Like there are a number of like bad activities we caught up in Twin Peaks.

And yes, Laura was caught up in a number of them and yes, a lot of people knew, but not the whole town. Yeah. Most of the town is caught up in their affairs at this point. And I mean that in terms of extramarital affairs.

Yes. Oh, yes. We can talk about my feelings on certain extramarital affairs when we get to a certain segment later on the show. Should we talk about what Albert found?

Oh, no, we're talking about the funeral and we're not even talking about how the funeral ends. I was going to say. Yeah. So we have the fight of the century breakout between Bobby and James and we get some nice slow motion during that.

But the true highlight is Leland throwing himself on the casket as it lowers into the ground. And then the machine that lowers the casket starts to malfunction. So the casket is just going up and down in this grave and Leland is on top of it sobbing. Yeah.

One of those after I completed the first watch of the stuff, I was like, good, still solid. Didn't feel like a lot happened. That's a moment that is like one of the standout uncomfortable moments in the entire show. Yeah, I was thinking about it because it is really uncomfortable.

Especially I think because Sarah Palmer is so uncomfortable with it. Yes. So I will say Grace Wersky does not scream. The screaming streak is spoiled by this episode.

She just sort of raised voice but loudly expresses her displeasure at this awful scene happening at her dog. Don't ruin this too. Or don't you ruin this too. Which definitely begs the question, what else does Leland ruin?

Is she just referring to that photograph that he got blood all over from his dancing accident? Or what else does Sarah Palmer know that we don't? And then there's that scene that directly follows it whether in the diner and Shelley is describing it to these two men, Leland and the casket. And she's using one of those napkin holders that you see at rest of the night.

And Shelley's kind of sick pleasure in this on her afternoon shift straight off of the funeral presumably is so strange. Because we know that she's obviously Shelley knew Laura, but as to why she finds this so funny, I couldn't tell you. I was thinking just about in terms of the whole story, what that micro scene means. And I think that it's kind of signaling to the audience that that is a funny moment in Leland and the casket.

And we can sort of laugh at it because this is a pretty heavy episode overall. There's not a lot of the weird absurdist humor that we've seen in past episodes. Yeah. It's hard to wench that in when you also have to give space to the funeral and the autopsy.

So Albert reports back and found two types of twine on Laura's person and the pumice used to clean. And one of the other, if we had to like, maybe we should do this. Maybe we should organize sort of like top five creepy moments of the episode. One of them is the deductive work and then kind of demonstration.

Mining Albert does indicate that the killer washed their hands and then leaned in for a kiss. Holding her neck. Yeah. Which also I've been watching a lot of X files and it's made me think a lot about procedurals and the oftentimes ham-fisted ways they go about both setting up crime scenes and then communicating those crime scenes to viewers.

That one felt like it painted a picture of how creepy and weird the killer is while also tying that directly to the evidence in a way that wasn't just like ham-fisted or had to be completely, you know, didn't have to be conveyed in like a talking down to the audience way. And it's quick and it's just like, ooh, God. Fine pumice. Some kind of plastic shard in her stomach.

Yeah, that has the letter J on it. What? It also has the positive for cocaine which I knew was going to happen. That is the fourth point.

Yeah. The plastic shard with the J. I will say I remember now what that is but it's one of those things that whenever I started re-washing all. It's just like, what?

It sticks out there. And that's all Albert could do. And Albert, I love that exchange he has with Cooper because Cooper absolutely pulls rank in response to Albert requesting that something be done about the gold stunces, dollars and dumbbells who have impeded his work. And it ends with Cooper's little message to Diane.

That he wants to look into buying some property and compete. He's been here what? Three days? Yeah.

Yeah. People on the message board have some theories about that that we will get to. Oh, good. All right.

We've reached a point in my notes. I don't know if there's anything else you want to bring up. Doubleback kind of does Midway point the episode. Anything else you have to say before we get to?

Yeah. Before we get to my special segment. Let's do your special segment. Welcome to Draper on our corner where you're going to get all the updates on Nadine and Ed's relationship.

Now, I should backpedal a little bit with last week's episode. I said I ship Ed and Nadine, but it's kind of my intention that shipping is more of a term. It's more predominantly used when characters in a show don't necessarily are necessarily shown to have a relationship or have an initiated relationship. Like, for instance, you can say quite easily I ship Audrey and Cooper.

And that feels to me like it fits more in the connotation because they have not yet initiated an intimate relationship. But Ed and Nadine are married. So I'm going to retract my statements that I ship them and instead say they are my OTP. And given that they're married, I'm going to say the show supports my view.

You should explain what OTP is. One true parent. The viewers at home, AKA my mother. The viewers?

The viewers watching this podcast? Yes. One true parent, OTP. I made you laugh so hard you got your phone.

So Ed and Nadine, we got just a little bit of them this episode. It's a heartwarming moment. My question is did they have sex the night before? It seems very obvious that Ed and Nadine have sex.

I want to say they had sex. Do you feel cheated that you didn't see the sex scene? Oh, absolutely not. Look, I love that they love each other.

Clearly, you can see it in Ed's faces episode. How much he loves Nadine. I can't even keep up my act. I don't need to see them doing the dirty.

That's not what this is about for me. Do you think that that's what this is about for me? Is it difficult? No, I'm saying for me, I'm just so happy to see a couple so deeply in love.

And that is going to make so much money off of these silent drape runners that, you know, I'm not a pervert. I just believe in true love and that they are an example of it. Yes. In terms of actual side plot significance, I think this is the episode where it's established that Ed and Ed Norma, Nadine Triangle, dates back to high school and that for some reason or another Ed Norma split in high school and Nadine, the lacking in self-confidence young girl she was, then somehow swooped in and got Ed on the rebound, I guess, and then kept him forever.

And you know what? Some people say that's not a great way to start a relationship. I say, look, Ed and Nadine, there's no better way. Ed, you know, he's talking to Norma maybe a little too much.

I've got to call him out for that, but I think he's going to turn around and stay with his beloved. I don't think there's an interesting parallel between the Ed Norma, Nadine Triangle kind of established in high school and the Laura Bobby James triangle, and it kind of puts Nadine and James in the same position. If you're asking, do I think Nadine and Laura share a lot in common as characters because they're both stunningly beautiful and the world does not seem to want to treat them right? I would say absolutely.

Okay. But there is that interesting moment where James is like coming home because I presume he lives with big Ed since his mother is not around, and Nadine asks who he is? Yeah, I mean Nadine's tired, probably because of what definitely happened the night before, not being a bird about it. Something I wrote down and forgot to talk about, and you're going to love to talk about this.

I'm going to love to talk about this. Everybody's funeral looks were so on point. That's so true. Audrey's funeral look, crazy good.

And she had, wait, okay, this lick down hair was so kuber-esque. Yes, very much so. Well, okay, I said everybody's, I'm going to say Donna, your hat, your best friend's funeral, little too flashy. Don't understand the poor's on the right path Donna.

She's basically upstaging the bride by wearing white. That's the equivalent. Donna, we already know that you already stole James. She wasn't even in the ground.

That's true. Otherwise, everybody else looking real great up until Leland collapsed on top of the cascade. That's not great. The cast is red.

It's like a small red room. Mmm. But yeah, that was definitely a highlight of Punpix fashion. This is the rest of the show now.

I do the soundtrack from Punpix. Also, speaking of where things go when they die, this must be where pies go when they die. I'm the real best that every time Cooper talks about pie, he invokes death or dying. No, I didn't see this before we got to talk about food.

I know. Oh my gosh. Wow. Death Pie.

Interesting. We'll say that for later. Death Pie. Because I want to talk about the bookhouse boys.

Secret organization and there's a darkness in the woods that they are apparently fighting. You can't see it, but I just did the bookhouse boy tear motion. Secret Society. It's, you know, we're four episodes in pilot one, two, three.

Secret Society. That's exactly what the show needs to introduce at this point. I love it. Hey, we're the affirms.

A lot of previous theories on the message words. Oh, great. Yes. Except, you know, they're not, they didn't kill Laura as far as we know at this point, which had been the predominant theory thus far.

Yeah, we get the introduction of the bookhouse boys, one faction, and another important faction at play in Twin Peaks, the French Canadians. Those dastardly cocaine-peeling French Canadians. I'll just get this out of the way. Those accents were very bad.

You know, I cannot testify as to whether or not they were even close to, even close to resembling like a studied, a tempted French Canadian. But I would say relative to just the dulcet tones of a Kyle McLaughlin, even real French Canadian might sound a little out of place. I don't understand why they're French-Canadian drug dealers hanging out at a town just north of the Canadian border in eastern Washington. Yeah.

So, that's great. Why are they on the other side of the country? British Columbia does not have French speakers the way Quebec does. Yeah.

So what are these two Quebecois cooking drug lords doing? Hanging out at the local casino and so forth and running shit out of the roadhouse, which also, so we see that the members of the bookhouse boys, at least as far as we know in this episode, membership includes Sheriff Truman, Deputy Hawk, James, and this. Oh, God, what's his name? Joey?

He's the long-haired, blonde-haired, biker boy who we saw in the pilot, Whiskaway Donna, I'm pretty sure. Can't remember if we're short another person. We might be, but... Not important.

They were doing... Oh, and Ed. We're forgetting Ed. Ed's important.

Ed's one of my favorites, clearly. So, they have been... It seems to me like the roadhouse is this neutral space is what I want to get at, because they were there. They were watching after Jean-Franau because they were expecting him of being involved in the stuff, but also it's just a space encounter where people go to hang out.

I feel like, in a symbolic sense, the roadhouse is very important as a physical embodiment of some of the dynamics going on in the town, kind of, for lack of a better term, or the sake of keeping things more vague at this point and discussing the show, another playing. Things happen revolving around the roadhouse and they will continue to happen revolving around the roadhouse as time goes on. And if I was opening a 65-pound for entry pop-up restaurant, and I didn't want to go the obvious route for Twin Peaks, I would call the roadhouse, just saying. And I would hire Julie Cruz, and then it would be worth the 65-pound entry fee.

If you just saw Julie Cruz there saying Nightingale, like, every hour on the hour, like a Chuck E. Cheese show, it'd be so worth it. Anyway. I mean, through hologram technology, it sounds totally doable.

But anyway, I think the other important thing that the book House Boys introduces, this idea of this, like, darkness in the woods, this, like, force that has existed around Twin Peaks. And I'm kind of curious as to why this hasn't come up before. Like, why hasn't no one said, hmm, a girl died in the woods. Could it be this darkness that we've been fighting off for years?

Why? Give me a fan theory as to why they wouldn't play that card immediately. As characters. Like, why that wouldn't be immediately where Sheriff Truman's mind goes.

I mean, if he was trying to hide that from Dale for some reason. I just, I get the sense that they, the book, something about the book House Boys one clearly Dale way more with it than any of these dudes with their little hand signals and so forth are, and that's, and they trust Dale and that's why they bring him in. But also that they do have a sense for there being some relationship between what they're doing towards taking out Jacques and his brother and that activity, hopefully shedding light on this. So taking kind of a long view.

I feel like, you know, at this point, since Dale is our entry point, of course, we're not necessarily going to learn about them until he's brought in the woods. And maybe this is their way of eventually making it to Laura is this kind of sense that to sort this whole mess out, let's start what we have the most solid lead on and maybe that will reflect back on this case. But I don't know how the book house was doing. I've not been initiated.

So one day, one day. And then I don't have any notes for the rest of there's like, I will say, if you asked me if I was sad that we didn't get time with Nadine and Ed in the bedroom, we got too much time watching Josie and Truman go at it. That's true. That was what was boring and I didn't take notes on.

Yeah, I just took a note that we hold on that scene for too long. Yes, Josie feels scared about the ledger thing. Oh, no, when the letters went missing. Catherine's spying.

We got mill stuff going on. We advanced the mill pot a little bit, but not terribly much. And then we just get to see Truman and Josie, Mack and on each other, the day of a funeral. I'm just going to say, like, I mean, again, there's nothing as sexy as being reminded of your mortality.

Everyone knows that. I was going to say also, they did pretty much the same thing the night after Laura died, like the same day. Clearly, that's why, like, guess their engines revving the thought of death. I mean, if that was it, they would have hooked up immediately after Andrew Packard died, right?

Anyway, you went in there. You ever been there and messaged in the days? Who knows? Yeah, there's not terribly much past getting the French and Canadian interrogation scene, but we do get a nice scene.

I kind of want to talk about what you think. I kind of want to know what you think about how the characterized deputy hawk up to this point. Oh, my God. How cool.

He's the best tracker we have thing. Like, could you hit the Native American stereotypes any harder? Yeah, but I do agree, especially like, especially when he talked about the third person, but I'd like seeing him talk to Cooper about the goings-on here. Yeah.

He is, the hawk is definitely like a side character, I'd say. For instance, he doesn't get his own plot line. He is just part of the police department. He never gets his own.

So he's relegated to the security status. But don't see the reason why I had the great scene with Cooper at the end here where they discuss their kind of views towards this case. And they're at the great northern and then Leland dances in freaks people to fuck out at the end of the episode. I just had to say, we spotlighted Grace Zabriski's freaked out, strong out acting and screaming.

Ray Wise also does a great job as this very unstable Leland. I don't know. There's a character to those scenes that, what they're depicting actually, this kind of public breakdown, you can't take your eyes away from it as much as you want to do it. As much as you want to be like, oh no, someone get Leland out of here.

You can't look away is what he really sells. And then that's the end of the episode. Is there anything we missed as we talked about any other shining moments you want to put the spotlight on in terms of twin peasy things that, verifiably twin peasy things that come out of this episode? I mean, probably one of the highlights of the episode is the fact that we don't have an extended James Donacine.

Does Don't it even have all line? I don't think. Or if she does, I don't remember it, which is pretty telling. Yeah.

Oh, we saw Sylvia again. We did see Sylvia again. We did see Audrey spying on her family. We saw some more weird Dr.

Jacoby stuff. Yes. Oh, yes. That is true.

They do have that little conversation. Well, Johnny, yeah, Johnny and Dr. Jacoby went on to spying on them and then him at the graveyard. Yeah.

Everything that happens with Johnny and we'll talk about it probably more later because this is not the last we'll see if Johnny, but it's never something I actually think to take a note on any of such because Johnny is underdeveloped as a character. Yeah. And they're, I don't know. The way he's like, he uses a plot device makes me kind of uncomfortable.

Yeah. It's kind of the same deal. I mean, the horns we care about are then an Audrey and occasionally Jerry. Yeah.

I got a haircut and I looked in the mirror and I was like, if I grow it out a little bit in like a particular way, I will look more like David Patrick Kelly. And I don't know if that's a good thing, but if I do choose to do that, I am going to get a coat like dairy horn and just start eating those. Bree and butter sandwiches all the time. I'm going to love it.

I'm going to come toast come back. But yeah, Johnny and Sylvia get left out. So we keep like we've done what for these episodes now and three of them. Oh, yeah, Sylvia.

I think for the first chunk of the series, like Sylvia is around and she's not doing much and then Sylvia does disappear. Yeah. Just not as early as we thought. Yeah.

So this episode had an 18% viewership on the night at premiere. So it had 18% of the available audience watching it. So this is a fall from the 29% at the pilot and it's pretty much just been falling since the pilot. Yeah.

One of those things that was like, if any show got 18% these days, it'd be like fucking smash it. Right? Yeah. I mean, the Big Bang Theory actually probably gets more than that.

But yeah. And the Big Bang Theory is regrettably a smash hit. Bazinga. Yeah.

Someone on Twitter, sorry for not citing you properly, Sir. Mentioned that upcoming Adam Sandler movie, Pixels, where like the video game characters come to life and start attacking the world. He's going to be one of those things that like the parents and like, you know, like wise family members of nerdy people are going to like turn around and be like, Hey, you like nerdy things? I bet you love this, right?

The same way Big Bang Theory was. Oh, you're so right. Oh my God. I feel like my parents knew well enough to not like, I don't know, try to like give me a Big Bang Theory, like a DVD box set or something at any point in my life.

But I do fear that when the pixels ads start running more on TV, they're going to be like, so did you see the video game movie? You know what my parents do with me that's similar? What? My mom, she thinks that I'm really into girls and Lena Dunham.

Not girls like the way that I am into girls, but like the who. Yeah. So do you get like Lena Dunham articles worded to you? Oh my God.

Is this your way of telling your mom please stop forwarding me Lena Dunham articles? Kind of. We were playing that game where like you have a celebrity name on your forehead and your family. Your family overs around you, giving you hints.

And it was Lena Dunham and my mom was just like, oh, you like really like her. And then I found out who was. And I was like, no. If I taste isn't that bad.

Look, I mean, did you go to liberal arts college? I am a woman. And you do want to write television. No.

It sounds like I need to buy you 50 copies of not that kind of girl. That's her book, right? Something like that. I think that's the name of the book.

If I got that right, I'm going to check out for the show. I'm going to give myself a high five. I'm being like, Matt, you are killing it with this irreverent pop culture knowledge this week that in, you know, in a year's time, no one will care about or doesn't care about. Why don't you have a job?

Clearly you are killing it. You have all this useful information in your brain. Why won't someone hire you for it? Truly.

I do have a couple of production notes. So Tina Rathborn, the director, A, first of all, she's a woman. There are not a lot of female directors working now, much less in the 90s. So who does to her?

That being said, there were some, the reviews for this episode were mixed. And when you move to the message board, I'll talk about that more. But this is kind of the first episode that people were raving about. Interesting fact.

So Tina Rathborn cast David Lynch in her movie. In the 80s. He has a small role in Zelly and Me, which I've not seen. I've heard that movie, though.

Yeah. And she has a couple of interesting comments in the director's commentary. She said that she kind of conceptualized the series as a buildings romance for Cooper. So kind of like a coming of age story for a man with an established career.

Presumably well past puberty. We think. I mean, we don't get, no, I'm not going to make that joke. No, I'm not going to make that joke.

If you don't get visual confirmation. Anyway, his voice doesn't crack all that much. I mean, if he was a young wonder-kind in the FBI program, it would make his relationship with Audrey Muchelis creepy. Yeah, I did just watch Blue Velvet for the first time.

So now I've officially watched two David Lynch movies, Blue Velvet and Firewalk with me. Stars, Kyle McLachlan, you know, considerably younger playing like a college A student. Also Laura Dern, who I didn't realize is like a regular Lynch collaborator. Yeah.

So now I finally associate Laura Dern with something other than Jurassic Park. I mean, she's fantastic. And I, you know, any movie I'd be happy to see her in it. But like, otherwise my only other exposure thus far has been Jurassic Park.

Blue Velvet, definitely a very fucked up buildings Roman. I don't know if I quite see that in Cooper's arc and Twin Peaks though. She was talking about Tina Rathburn talking about the town and specifically Audrey as being like an embodiment of like innocence and like Cooper like finding that enchanting. No, I can definitely see that.

I feel like I see Niavete more than innocence though. Yeah. I see dirty lies. Small town that just has a lot of secrets.

Yeah, but that's not what Cooper's seeing. Yeah, no, it's not. It's not. Another interesting comment that she made in the director's commentary is she talks a lot about young and like interpretation of dreams and that like informing Cooper's attempt to interpret his dream as sort of his criminal methodology for analyzing this crime.

And then she also kind of made the connection between the book House Boys and the Hardy Boys and the sort of low high low art hierarchy aspect, which I thought was cool when I started thinking about the episode more. And I think like maybe episode more interesting for me personally. So what did the internet performers have to say this week? Wait, one more quick one back from Tina Rathburn.

Okay. So they were working on such a tight budget that there was actually no money to rehearse with the actors. So she as a director was just calling out actors and being like, hey, do you want to have a couple of coffee with me off the book? And apparently a lot of them actually took her up on it and like had this couple of coffee to talk about their characters and their motivations and stuff like that.

Interesting. Interesting. I don't know how much rehearsal goes into like doing a cable television show versus just like, you know, when they like have a table read with the whole cast and things like that. But you know what, if you can get done with a cup of coffee, do it.

Yeah. But that's a lot of people that have coffee with it. Yeah, especially with Helen, the credits were this week. Who knows how many she actually got in touch with?

Yeah. So the internet. So fan theories. Yeah, I want to know.

I want to know now that we're post-dream and post deferral of chiller identity, what they're thinking. So first of all, people did not like this episode this week, stylistically. People complained that there was just this market difference from the previous episodes and that it wasn't as like fun and whimsical and like that they could tell that the characters were like duller and had less depth. That'd be us.

I think so. I think the show is kind of settling more into like its normal rhythm at this point. So they're going to be, if they're expecting it to hold up to the pilot, they're going to be disappointed. Yeah.

I mean, it's just, it's such an odd complaint. I don't even know where that's coming from. Like, I feel like we dealt with a lot of great character moments. Like that's the centerpiece of this episode is that you could spend more time with these characters and get a little bit more filled into their, you know, in turn with moments, little and big in this episode.

And you don't get a lot of advancement otherwise. Yeah. I think this episode does a lot of work in terms of advancing. But the plot is a whole like individual thoughts for individual characters.

But it doesn't have those like big moments. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Structurally revealing the book house boys. Big moment. But itself, it's just like, we're here.

One conversation, a diner, and then they go to a second location and that's kind of an extent. Exactly. Any, any new leanings, any new kind of off the wall. So one big theory from this week is that Doc, where does a killer?

We've talked about this before. Oh, yeah. But the primary evidence being the fact that he wants to get lower into the ground. Okay.

He wants to delay, well, to prevent the autopsy from continuing, basically. I can see that. Yeah. Yeah.

Apart from the fact where it's not that suspicious, especially considering that Albert is not handling the situation with the greatest of tact. Yeah. If I was in Hayward's shoes and Albert was being a jerk to me like that, I would probably also say, no, we're having a funeral today. Shut up.

I once again, I go back to like, wouldn't you want to find some concrete evidence of like what your daughter's death was like or your daughter's friends death? It's not how we do things in a small town. Anyway. And then this actually came up last week and I didn't really expect it to continue to be a thing.

Some people thought that the new girl out one-eyed jacks was Lucy. I guess this is one of the things you can't go back and rewind. Yeah. Okay.

So that rumor is persisting for another week. There are at this point some people who are taping the episodes going back, rewatching them and taking some notes that they relay to the group. So there are just a lot of posts. There aren't as many posts as last week.

Last week we had 103 posts for the episode. This week we have 60. Wow. Yeah.

That's a big drop off. But also it's considerably more than the previous week. So we're hitting kind of a stride of sorts. And then some people thought that Cooper making that note today and about buying some land was suspicious.

That he might have been eyeing someone's specific land such as the mill or the great northern or Leo's house. That's a stretch. That's a big stretch. Yeah.

It's like whoever comes up with that idea isn't even like actually picking up on the breadcrumbs the show is throwing their way. Which this episode we've covered a lot has a lot like has a little moments. One of them is definitely not Cooper standing up for the character of the people of Fin Peaks and then like musing about moving here. That's just not it's not suspicious.

That's weird. Okay. And people also picked up on the differences between the dream is Cooper relays it versus the dream that we're shown in the previous episode specifically in Cooper's retelling of the dream he talks about Harry and Lucy being there. Whereas we're not shown that in the previous episode, but I don't find that particularly suspicious.

Hmm. No, neither of I. I'm not in price with the forms this week. I know I'm sorry.

There was a lot of like debating details from previous weeks. People are still trying to figure out who took the necklace who has the necklace and we have definitely moved past that at this point. Yeah. Yeah.

Boy. Yeah. I'd be so frustrated if that was the state of TV discussion online now. Good thing it's not.

The one highlight though is so they want to start. Okay. So there was this topic and this object was David Lynch reading alt.tv.twin Peaks question mark. Okay.

And then you know this is promising. This is better be good. Not that good. The topic was like, oh, you have so much fun.

Wouldn't this be great? Should someone send him a terminal? No, boy. Because it's usenet.

It's not the internet. Yeah. Should someone box up and send David Lynch Internet ready computer so he can log on and hear us debating whether or not Cooper is planning a land grab. Yeah.