Retire Early or Live Fully? The FIRE Debate

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In This Episode Of Business Lunch: We take on the FIRE movement, financial independence and retiring early, and ask the question most of its followers skip: what are you retiring to? They separate financial independence from retirement, walk through the 25 times rule and the 4 percent rule, explain the buckets of money approach that funds the future and the present at the same time, and share the stories behind their view that life is short and life is long, and you never know which one you get. It ends where every owner thinking about an exit should start: sell your business on a good day, and know what comes next before you go. Chapters: 0:00 Cold open: the belief at the core of the FIRE movement 0:55 Welcome, and what retired actually means 2:42 Lean FIRE, fat FIRE, index funds, side hustles, and deferring big life events 5:13 Is working for someone else really the enemy? 6:04 Parents who missed their kids, and why deferring life is risky: 125 million dollars in bearer bonds 8:48 Waiting on kids, Lamborghinis, and the beach house that was a stretch 11:09 What to tell a young couple going all in on FIRE: support first, then buckets of money 14:52 All your eggs in one basket, in money and in time 16:03 Financial independence and retirement are two different things 18:23 The 25 times rule and the 4 percent rule 19:57 Not what you are retiring from, but what you are retiring to 23:10 Retiring from what you love, and selling your business on a good day Listen to Business Lunch: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/business-lunch/id1442654104 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0iWSA89TaD263zhXETdSvZ Follow Roland Frasier: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rolandfrasier/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rolandfrasier/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@rolandfrasier Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RolandFrasierPage/ Everything else: https://msha.ke/rolandfrasier/ Follow Ryan Deiss: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryandeiss/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryandeiss/ X: https://x.com/ryandeiss Visit: https://www.scalable.co Mentioned in this episode: Build Your CEO Dashboard Get one report every week of the key metrics you need to know with the CEO Dashboard! CEO Dashboard

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Roland Frasier and Ryan Deiss take on the FIRE movement, financial independence and retiring early, and ask the question most of its followers skip: what are you retiring to? They separate financial independence from retirement, walk through the 25 times rule and the 4 percent rule, explain the…

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