Welcome to episode two of Retrospection. I'm in New York and my name's Colin and I'm with my friends Paul. Hello. And where are you located?
Oh, sorry. I'm in Red in England. And together we'll be taking a look at film and TV shows from the past and seeing if they are better back then or whether it's at Naughty Nostalgia that's playing tricks with us. And I presume that we'll be doing this slightly more professionally than we did this opening.
No, this is good as you can again. This is gonna be fun. No. Right, do you want to do it again?
No, no, continue. It's fine. Okay, but before we go into our chosen film, could it be a TV show? Any retro finds for this week?
Yes, it's one you should ask. I've been showing up my annuals collection again this week. Oh, really? Yes.
40, 40, 40, 45. That's indeed yes. As I said, I've surpassed my age now, which is good. Yep.
I was waiting for an age comment, but it didn't come. I'd probably leave you with uncomfortable silence. Well, it worked. Did you think about the age yourself?
Well, I'm pretty sure that you're the same age as me. Only physically. Ah, yeah, of course. So, yeah, I got two actually this week.
I got Battle Sturgle Act of Granul from 1978, good condition, comic strips and so on. I actually remember this one. I had this as a kid. That's nice.
And the other one, which is a bit of a strange one, was a TJ Hooker Annual from 1982. See, these annuals are aimed at kids, right? I would imagine so, yeah. Was TJ Hooker in for children?
It wasn't something that I remember watching in 1982. I might have been a little bit too young. I think I watched it as the series went on. So, yeah, I did watch as a kid, but to make an annual comic strip, I mean, it's not that kind of a, it's not the A team.
Right, right, yeah. So, it's kind of a weird one. But, yeah, I don't know if I had it. When I was a kid, I have to remember which ones I did have and which ones I didn't.
Night Rider? Did you have that one? Night, I don't think I had Night Rider. I think most of them were based around comic books, so they would have been Battle Action Force and, you know, Wizarding Ships and things like that.
Being a girl, you know, that kind of thing. Those ones, yeah. I think I've got a Be No Annual every Christmas. Nice.
As a kid. How was a kid? Oh, well. I don't do them anymore, did they?
I don't know. I think, you know, one of them's gone online only. I don't know if it's done there or been there. That's a shame, isn't it?
Yeah, it is. You know, a lot of kids missing out on the kind of, that kind of textile experience that we had. Of parents' keening kids, yeah. I've never been beaten on the bottom with a, a Be No Annual.
I don't know about you. And it's a point that you're slightly depressed you for most of your life. LAUGHTER I need to remedy that. Talking about the Sturgolactica, I picked up.
I'm just the first novel, I guess it is the original novel. And paperback, written by Glen A. Lassen and Robert Fursten. And it says on the front, The Greatest Space Epic Ever.
Star Wars. LAUGHTER I think it's The Greatest Space Epic Ever created by Glen A. Lassen. That's kind of how they do it.
They actually say The Greatest Space Epic Ever dash from ABC TV and Universal. LAUGHTER Were there many more? I don't think they were. No, no.
So it's a small pool that they're picking from. It looks pretty good actually. It's actually really small. Well, I mean, that, if it's based on the opening three episodes, which is it The Sargre of Starworld?
Doesn't say it just says from the Emma journals inside. Ooh, that's clever. Yeah, that's all it says. Did he keep a journal?
Well, let's hope he did. It'll be a short book. LAUGHTER I just, I kind of remember him kind of leaving and doing a, sort of, Captain's Log every week. Right.
I mean, I let you know when I read it. It's got a great cover. Really traditional, you know, 1970s cover. It's really good.
And the best ones. They are indeed. Is that anything else before we leap into our chosen topic? No, that's it.
That's it. That's all I've got this week. OK, so let's go ahead. I've chosen film for this episode.
It's Blue Thunder. Blue Thunder was released in 1983. It's directed by John Badam. So there's Roy Schneider's Frank Murphy, an LAPD helicopter, pilot and Vietnam vet with PTSD.
Explain what that is. Post-traumatic stress disorder. I'm not sure they used it in 1983, but that's what it would be now. So it's not, it's not, it's not, penile tension disruption.
No. No, I could be. Maybe I've been misunderstanding the whole, maybe it has the subplot and I just didn't get it. Hey, yeah, it puts the whole new spin on the plot later.
LAUGHTER Yes, it does. Maybe that's what he's timing. He's timing how long you can keep it up. That makes a lot more sense.
OK. It also says, uh, Daniel Stone is Richard Lyman-Gurdo, which is Frank Murphy's partner. Warren Oates in one of his last films, Plays the Chief, and Malcolm McBown, the Kirk Killer, as Colonel F.E. Cochran.
And it's a great role. He doesn't really have much to do, does he? Well, we can talk about that as well, but the reason why he probably didn't want to do it, hasn't too much to do. Ah, interesting.
So I'll give you the synopsis. Murphy and his partner chosen to test fly a new military-style helicopter while using the helicopter surveillance equipment to eavesdrop on a meeting between Colonel Cochran to helicopter projects, primary test pilots and government officials. Murphy discovers a conspiracy to use the helicopter in a military role to crush this order, and that a secret group is eliminating, eliminating, eliminating what you got. Get rid of both of those authorities in order to reach their goals.
Oh, there you go. I watched Blue Thunder when I was a kid, I think, but I don't actually remember when I saw it. I think it was on video tape, because I remember I had a big, black plastic shell video tape. That's right.
I think that's the exact same one that I remember as well, but I couldn't nail down specifically when it was that I watched it, but I know I watched it as a kid. Was this a favorite of yours when you were growing up? Yeah, I loved it. I guess it's a tech side of it, and the fascism.
No, it's just a tech. Speaking of the tech, there's an interesting little piece of information that they flash up on the screen before the movie starts, isn't it? Yeah, the hardware, weaponry and surveillance system depicted in this film, I Reel, and in use in the United States today. Yeah.
I don't think it was in 1983, but it probably is now. Yeah, but I think they're asking a lot to say that it was in use in 1983. I mean, this, not that the actual Blue Thunder helicopter is when you see it, it's not that impressive, really. But...
What do you mean? It's beautiful. Well, yeah. Are you comparing it to something like Erwalf?
Well, that is the other side, isn't it? I mean, Erwalf was clearly... I think Blue Thunder came first. Yes, it did.
So Erwalf was a complete ripoff of Blue Thunder. Absolutely. But I also thought that Erwalf looked a lot sleeker and a lot more futuristic than Blue Thunder. But Blue Thunder is not realistic.
Ah, you say that. But as we move forward into this film... Realistic looking, as I mean. If you say so.
Yeah. So we're introduced early to Roisin Hader, actually calling Frank Murphy, really, with his whole watch business, which runs throughout the film. It doesn't really work out. It never really explains what that's all about.
I mean, he gives an explanation to someone in the movie. But is that explanation true? Or is he... Is he never really clearly defined?
I mean, he says, doesn't he, that he's checking to make sure that... Is it... If you can tell him yourself without actually looking at your watch, you know that you're still saying or something like that? Yeah, the first thing to go when you go insane is your sense of time.
So if you've still got your sense of time, you're still okay. That's right. But then he seems to use it later in the movie for other reasons. For...
Yeah. Well, the first time you see it, it looks like he's looking at his watch anyway. That's why I never understood it when I was younger. I was like, always just looking at his watch and stopping it when it gets to the last second.
Anyone could do that. But he does look cool. Yeah, well, for someone... If he is clearly having these issues, he kind of breezes through everything in this film.
Quite... ...quite laid back and happily, doesn't he? I mean, he's not. Well, he has his flashbacks.
Yeah, at the most in-opportun moments as well. We established early on that he is on the edge. But he's already had one freak out in the earth and that his partner won't fly with him anymore. Yeah.
I would imagine there's a good reason for that, looking at what happens like in the movie. Right. I used this. He says, I wouldn't fly with him for a ball that pissed Jack Daniels.
Piss Jack Daniels, yeah. Which... I had to have subtitles on because I've never understood what he said. I always thought the guy said, I wouldn't fly with him for a ball.
A ball? A ball? Yeah. A ball.
And I can never understand why a ball would be pissing Jack Daniels. Oh, why that would be a great thing. That would be a horrible thing. Here, have this ball.
Ah! Just pissing Jack Daniels everywhere. But a ball that pissed Jack Daniels. That's a good thing.
I wonder how many variations of that line they used before they sailed on a ball of pissed Jack Daniels. You know, were there other versions of that a ball? You got me saying ball? No.
Yeah. A ball's a catch. Everyone will be doing it. Yeah.
So obviously he's on the edge. They take off in the helicopter. One thing I like about the flying sequences in this film is it doesn't look like green screen a lot of the time. Most of the time.
It looks pretty good. You're doing a cockpit. Yeah, when they're in the cockpit and you can see the outside. It looks pretty good.
No. You don't agree. I thought it looked quite fake actually. Really?
It clearly to me looked like they're sitting in a cockpit on a gimbal and the back projection didn't look great. I thought it looked good. I thought it looked good. With the reflections on the inside.
Be honest, were you wearing your glasses? It was watching on my iPad from 17 feet away. Look, beautiful. This movie looks great.
It looks like a documentary. It's so real. Yeah. So we disagree on that.
I'm sure there'll be more. They seem to spend most of the time peeking in people's windows. Well, yeah. I mean it's a great scene.
It's the one that I remember when I was a kid. I wonder why. We're hovering outside the naked woman doing yoga. Why is she doing that?
Why would you do that? Why not? It's the question you should be asking. Why aren't we all doing that?
That's certainly the one peeking in your window. I don't want you peeking through my window. This is the thing. It's implied that she knows that they're there and she's doing it.
But she never really looks at them. Right. Right. But this isn't the first instance of them peeking in people's windows that happens in this film.
They took a few times. Right. This is the first occurrence in the film. But they also indicate that it's an initiation and both pilots have done anything they all do at some point.
So then they get a call. So then a woman gets attacked. Yes. A commission of McNeely.
She gets mugged and they fly over to Givesapart. And we see them doing the dusting of the car with a raised up with the road to blades. That's right. I like this bit.
I like this sequence. I thought that was quite... Finally. That was a bit of realism in there.
It was acceptable. Right. Good. Good.
And then Christian and Neely get shot and they're called back to headquarters where they get a... I don't know, told off of walking by the boss. Which seems really out of proportion for what they did. Yeah.
They basically tried to help. They didn't let these people get away. Right. They got two out of the three of the...
The...the bad guys. He's going like, oh, you know, for flying and hovering and looking and getting all these complaints. Blah, blah, blah. But if everyone does it all the time, why is it such a big deal now?
Well, none of the other instances have been in the Blue Thunder movie. Where did you get so cynical? I don't know. Kind of happen after this movie.
Oh, good. It should be useful when you watch an ex-Merval film. So... Oh, don't start because I've got some bones picked with you about this movie and Marvel movies.
Okay. So the chief then says like, they'll burn you, me, your little friend here and the whole goddamn division. And you're grounded. Again, way over the top of the situation.
Oh, yeah, completely. Completely. Yeah. And then he gets in his car and does a strange driving in and out of cones routine.
Yeah, right. But before that, you get this great line. If you're walking on eggs, don't hop. That's right.
I'm going to use that now. Well, all the time. Every day. I'll look forward to that.
Good. Yeah. When you first use it, you'll have to let me know how it goes. Well, you'll be the first looking thing.
Yeah. So, does this is driving through cones thing, which I don't know, is that part of his testing himself? Well, this is what I don't understand because here he uses his watch thing again, doesn't he? Right.
Yeah. But then that contradicts what he said he was using it for in the previous scene. No, he's still testing his time how fast he can do it and make sure he can do it in 60 seconds and then he's still aware of time. But why is he?
Why does it matter whether he can time it in his own head compared to the watch? I get it. No, he's timing himself and he knows that he can do it in 60 seconds. So when he's done it looks at his watch and he's still 60 seconds.
He knows he's still keeping time. But I thought the whole point of it was that he was trying to make sure that he hadn't gone over the edge. Yeah, that he was still aware of time. You're not buying it.
Not really, no. I mean, what you're saying is very good. That's it. I think it's a bunch of bullshit.
But there you go. It's so shallow. You need to go deeper with yourself. Really?
We're going to go deep in this film. OK. So then he goes home and meets his girlfriend. She's ex-girlfriend.
They've broken up. But he's never really kind of... It's a little bit vague, isn't it? Yeah, they don't even tell you the kid belongs to him.
True, you know. And she's very annoying. She is. And I assume the kid's not here.
And he also appears to live in a Rockford Vales trailer. It does look a bit like that. Yeah. But apparently he's very paranoid.
He seems to be. But he's also got a heart because he bought a present. But he forgot to give to her. Yeah.
I mean, what is it? Oh, did he? Did he forget? We don't know because he's on the edge, apparently.
Yeah. Well, not just that. He could have bought it for her, but not given it to her because it means something more. Should we give it the present itself?
What is it? It's a tablecloth, isn't it? I thought it was a piece of neck curtain or something. Yeah.
One piece of neck curtain. You'll get the rest each year. Unless she's only got one window in a whole house. Maybe it's for his window.
Maybe it was his. She's like, where are you? Neck curtain's gone. Never mind.
At first I thought it was a wedding dress. Yeah, that would have been weird, wouldn't it? Because they were just talking about how they're almost done. And she gets him back.
He's cute, doesn't she? Kind of, yeah. She's for a while. So they're at the end of a relationship in some way.
But we don't know certain points of the relationship. Well, I mean, it's not like there's nothing else in this movie that's a bit vague. It's all well scripted and fits like a jigsaw. So then we get the news report that the commission has died.
Right. And he goes to the place of the mugging to look around. Because he's suspicious. He is suspicious.
And wouldn't you think that the murder of a commissioner would be quite a big thing? That there wouldn't just be police take around a place. There'd actually be police there. Kind of like keeping an eye on the place.
Yeah, that's true. Because it's not, it's the same night. Or it's the next night. It's hard to say.
Again, a bit vague. Yeah, the night and day is a little off in this film. And he finds a piece of discarded documentation, doesn't he? Yeah.
But the police managed to miss. Yeah. I don't know why he thinks it's going to be useful. But he takes it.
Well, you know, we've seen how he lives. He's probably short on toilet paper. Yeah, possibly, possibly. Although you would think there was softer, softer around.
So he then found the doily that he's given it. Perfect. Maybe that's why he didn't give it to her. Maybe that's why he kept in the box emergency supply.
That's why. What's this stain on the bottom of it? That was his pain expression. He's like, now I've got bison.
Well, if you're wiping your ass on the doily, then everything. Exactly. It's no wonder he's paranoid. Yeah.
He's on the edge. Yeah. He's on the edge. He's on the edge.
He's got holes in it. Everything. Exactly. He's on the edge.
Maybe somebody thinks somebody's caught in his toilet paper. Possibly. Yeah. So then he gets a call to tell him that he's got it being put in a special detail with a new helicopter.
Now, this is a man who is on the psyche valuation. It's just been grounded and is now giving a new special program in charge of a $5 million helicopter. Exactly. And it comes out of the blue.
Yeah. I mean, there's been no lead up to this in the movie so far. And then these people turn up and say, well, we've got this helicopter that we'd like to test fly for us. Well, that's how films work, right?
This is this special event that occurs in his life that the film starts with. But they would have been nice for that to have been some kind of reason for why they pick him. No, no, no. You can't have that because there's no logical reason for choosing him as a pilot.
So that would be terrible. But I was kind of waiting for later in the movie for there to be some revelation that they picked him because they knew that he was trouble. Yeah, that's what I thought of it. Yeah.
But no. There's literally no reason for it. There's going through files going, well, this guy, he's got an unblemished record. He's a perfect pilot.
Let's not choose him. Let's choose this guy. This loon. Let's just pick him.
He'll work well. So they pick him up and they take him to a test site. Now, does nobody sleep in this film? Apparently not.
No. Because it's another night and they drive out at night together in the morning. So no one, no one, Frank Murphy is not slept. So here's a guy on the psyche valuation.
He's just been grounded and apparently he hasn't slept for two days. Yeah. Yeah. And he's completely wide awake when he gets there.
I mean, he doesn't look tired. He doesn't look tired. He doesn't look like some guy who's been driving all night. No, no, it looks fine.
Shall we get to the actual test? Yeah. Well, this is supposed to be, they reel off all these things that this new helicopter can do, where it can, you know, they, well, set the scene for me. It's a street, isn't it, with lots of cardboard cards.
Yeah, fake vehicles and buses. And there are, a car book that's a people in white who are civilians and then ones are in red that are terrorists and the helicopter is supposed to just shoot down the ones in red. Well, from the looks we know, doesn't it just kill everyone? Yeah, that's why Frank Murphy's laughing.
Because he just, like, looking at it as a big joke, because the helicopters are strafing everything. I mean, apparently they blame the gun as well, but that's the point. But that's the point is there's no, like, it can't, like, when the bus comes out and you're supposed to just pick the targets of terrorists, it just eliminates everybody in the bus. That's kind of the joke behind it.
It seems to work a lot better once he's flying it, like, in a movie there. Well, that's why they chose him. Now, there's your answer. Is that what it is?
You just, you just sold your own plot for. There you go. Damn. Yeah.
See? I thought you were so clever to... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the pilot in the test flight is Evil Malcolm Dowell.
Evil Malcolm Dowell, who used to know Frank Murphy in Vietnam, and they hate each other, but it's not made clear at this point why. No, it's not. No. I'm very sketchy and hazy about my history of Vietnam, but, um, would there have been an English guy working for the American army in Vietnam at that point?
We went, I don't think we went involved in Vietnam, so... I don't think we were. Well, you know, people go across, they have mercenaries in Vietnam. I mean, you've seen her in America, but you have Vietnam history.
No, I've seen apocalypse now and... Oh, there you go. ...there's two. Is it not more the fact that they wanted him to be English because, A, they can make a lot of English jokes?
Right, right. Which happens quite a lot. Maybe, you know, as the only European person in the whole movie, he's bound to be the bad guy. Yeah, that's possible.
I mean, were they doing that in 1983? I guess they were. Yeah, I suppose, I mean, it was a very 80s thing anyway, as it went along the 80s, you know, you think things like Die Hard, you know, it was always an English guy. That's 90s, isn't it?
Wasn't it? I think you're wrong. Another instance, another instance of collins in accuracies. Oh, you're right, 1988.
But I was thinking of Die Hard, too. Yeah. Backtrack, backtrack. I'm editing this.
Don't I know it? So yeah, they hit each other. There's that testing. And then, oh, and then we get the catch-a-later.
What was that? Mark Madal's line, Cochrane's line that he's always like, catch-a-later with that, does the finger drink. Oh, and it's so annoying. I mean, it's meant to be annoying, and it is annoying.
I wonder whether that was in the script or whether he came up with that himself. It seems like a very axly thing, you know, it seems like something that an actor would think of at the spur at the moment. I don't know. Wait, you really don't want to give this film any credit whatsoever, do you?
We'll get to my actual opinion of it at the end. Okay. I'm just saying it as I see it. But one interesting fact is that Mark Madal was scurrying, I mean, terrified of flying.
You couldn't get him into an airplane. So when the director's commentary on this film, it says, when you see his face and he's like, oh, like, tenths and sea light, it's because he's going to throw up in any second and he's scurrying his head. Well, did the actor do a lot of actual flying? Yeah, they did a lot of flying.
And Roy Schneider and his partner and it actually learned how to fly helicopters because they were so excited by it and enjoyed it so much. Well, that kind of makes sense because he does look like he's having a real blast making it. Yeah. He does it like he's enjoying himself immensely.
That's interesting. Cochrane arranges a meeting with Murphy to test Murphy's ability to fly his helicopter. Cochrane's going to be in, will you funder Murphy's going to just be an enamel? Please helicopter.
But Cochrane has sabotaged the helicopter. He has. He has indeed the evil guys. He's undone a screw.
I don't know why that's funny. Yes, he has. He's undone a screw, which seems to mess up the entire helicopter. It does and screws will do that.
Yeah. It wasn't very tightly. He just unscrews it with his hand, isn't he? It wasn't very tight.
Well, some screws are not meant to be tight. We're meant to just be there. The best screws are the tight ones. Well, you say that.
I mean, sometimes it's about the size of the screw rather than the tight ones. Yeah, I can imagine that the length of the shaft of the screw is what I mean. That's what I mean. I was going to say that, you know, you do instances where you'd probably need a larger hole for the shaft of the screw.
Anyway, I'll just helicopter talk. Helicopter is that what we're talking about? Yeah. Where were we?
So helicopter is all this screw in? The helicopter crashes, but they survive. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, it first looks like a broken hand, but he quickly takes it off and he's OK. He takes it off after about three seconds of him, but it aren't, doesn't he? Right. Yeah.
And then... Is that to show how tough he is? Yeah, it's to show that he just bounces back from anything. Absolutely.
I mean, he's full of great white sharks, you know? That's true. We're only going to see him that's really weird scene. We're going to go around on a train.
Oh, they're going to the ride on a train. That's right. Murphy, his girlfriend and the kid are going to go right on a train. And the girlfriend is driving and they realize that she's gone past the turn off for the train.
So she does a U-turn on the street and drives the wrong way up one way street with the child in the car. Something that probably might prove useful later in the movie. Right. Maybe.
I just know I'd be the first on the social surface. I think the word dump would probably be the back of my mind. Really? Well...
They're not that kind of... It's like, yeah, you suddenly need a poo. I guess you would if you're in the car. I would.
You would have that kid. Yeah, yeah. It's a weird scene, but like I said, it's the setup that she is like a crazy driver and is able to handle a car. Absolutely not.
But it's just a strange scene. It doesn't really fit in very well. So the next day they do their first test-writer, Blue Thunder. They go through everything of what the helicopter is capable of explaining how the weapons work and how, importantly, the surveillance tapes work.
And we learn that they only erase in the case. So if the tape is outside the case, it can't be erased. Which when they're showing that and he says, oh, they're going to be erased in the case, that's cool. That's clearly added afterwards.
Like a piece of idea. Yeah, somebody thought, you know, they're not going to understand that connects with later. So let's add some dialogue here. And it's too much.
It should have just left it as it was. I was listening with headphones on and you can hear that it's louder than everything else and it just sounds added in. Yeah, yeah. That was quite a common thing in the eighties, wasn't it?
They were throwing a lot of idea headlines that explained the written. Yeah, it seems to be. So they take off in Blue Thunder. They fly off and they stare at the test fly and they realise that the computer can look up different people.
Frank Murphy asks them to look his name up. Apparently there is only one Frank Murphy in Los Angeles. It's not like it's a common name or anything, is it? No, it's just one.
But strangely, he doesn't have a file. I wonder why. I wonder why. I think Blue Thunder, they see Cochrane's car down below and he's speeding away somewhere, so they decide to follow him.
Wait, wait, wait, isn't that before that? They do something more important, don't they? What did they do? What's more important than that?
Zooming in on a prostitute's breasts? Oh, yes, they do. They do to show how good the telephoto lens equipment is. Is that why they do it?
Yes. I can't believe that you forgot about that, aren't they? Well, no, it's beneath me. As those breasts were.
You wish. It's a common practice for all photography equipment to be tested that way. Tested on breasts. Absolutely.
I can't. It's just what you tell them. It is. If one week you're not available for the podcast, let me know.
Okay. I'll keep you abreast in the situation. Oh, dear, man. We get the first use of whisper mode as well.
We do. We do. The helicopter can go quiet. It's not quiet.
They then use the special sound equipment to listen to some sex noise. They do. They listen to someone, an LAPD motorcycle car that they know, be defending and protecting the community in a special way. In a very special way.
Yeah. That shows how good the microphones are. Again. Again, is that the reason for the story beat?
Absolutely. And it's also, again, that's how you test sound equipment. Is this how we tested our sound equipment? It's how I tested mine.
I don't know about you. I've got nothing to say on the matter, you're on it. Okay. Don't drag me into your sword again.
So now is that when they go and chase. Cockers car. Okay. So they follow the car to a building and they follow a car going up through the building until they can lock in using thermal detection of a meeting taking place.
Because the building is empty because it's the middle of the night because again nobody sleeps. And they use the tapes on the car conversation between Cockers and some government officials and some FBI agents. And they're discussing a plot to use the helicopter to crush disorder and uprising on riots on the streets of LA. But also that they killed Commissioner McMealy and that they're going to kill anyone else who doesn't fall into their plans.
Which seems to be the worst plans ever. I've had worse. They've got this one helicopter that they're going to use to crush all disorder in the entire city. Well the testing one, you must assume that they've got others.
It's a prototype. So they're going to build more. They're not just going to build one and then go, that's it. So the plan is to kind of become kind of like a fascist kind of state where they're using these helicopters to control everyone.
Is that the plan? They will use the helicopters in a military role in a civilian situation. Right. Okay.
Is it really worth them killing people? Just to get this plan moving? Well, we'll talk about that a little later. Okay.
Oh, and Cochran happens to look out the window. It sees the helicopter hovering there. And they're literally, they've got this super high tech surveillance system. Do they really need to hover three feet away from the actual window?
Couldn't they be like right over the other side of where the other building is or something and just listen to them from there if it's so good? Why do they have to be like almost nose touching the window? Yeah. That's your first good point.
Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Now the range.
I knew there was one in there somewhere. The helicopter. Okay. Yeah.
Because they actually say don't they say they could pick up a mouse. Yeah. Or something like that. Yeah.
Yeah. On the other side of the city or something. No, no, they just say you could pick up a mouse. But he doesn't tell you you can only do it from three feet above the mouse.
And as long as the mouse is actually looking at you at the side. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a limitation of the device.
No, no, no, no, plot point. So then they've got a type of this dodgy conversation. Yeah. And the new guy.
What is this guy's name by the way? My name is good. Right. Okay.
He takes the tape, doesn't he? He does. He hides it. Stashes it.
Yeah. And then goes and gets his groceries. Well, he's again a bit like Murphy. All this is going on.
And they're just kind of like happily breezing through everything. Yeah. Not occurring the world. You know, it's like, oh, well, we just we just covered this massive conspiracy.
And people are obviously going to be wanting this tape back. But, you know, man's got to eat. But they even say we're going to kill Murphy. Hmm.
He doesn't seem that bothered. Well, if you're a language, you'll be like, well, they're going to kill Murphy. They may come after me too. Maybe I won't go out and do my grocery shopping.
It doesn't seem the smart is too old. No. And then it comes home and obviously they're waiting for him and they attack him. He doesn't run out, but he's carting and he's killed quite brutally as well.
Yeah. I was quite shocked at that moment. He gets completely run down. Oh, yeah.
Totally. Now, have you noticed that there's a little connection between Blue Thunder in our previous episode, which we covered night either? Terrible writing. There's two connections.