Revitalizing Psychodynamic Thinking in Academia: Insights from Nancy McWilliams and Leora Trub

This episode explores the shifting landscape of psychodynamic training and the future of psychoanalytic thought in universities. With perspectives from Dr. Nancy McWilliams, a seasoned clinician and educator, and Dr. Leora Trub, founder of A2P2, we examine the profound changes in psychotherapy education, the importance of diverse voices, and the hope for restoring depth-oriented approaches amidst a landscape increasingly dominated by protocol-driven treatments.Chapters01:04 - The purpose of A2P2 and the future of psychoanalytic psychology in academia05:40 - Clinical and ethical implications of narrowly focusing on DSM categories09:16 - Data on the shrinking presence of psychoanalytic faculty in universities15:10 - Leora Trub’s journey from clinical training to academia and founding of A2P222:42 - The future outlook: more hope than pessimism for psychoanalysis in the academy23:47 - The role of teaching, publishing, and mentoring in fostering depth-oriented thinking30:39 - Expanding psychoanalytic thinking to include diversity, cultural humility, and anti-racism39:38 - Reinventing tenure and academic recognition to value different kinds of contributions45:15 - Psychoanalysis’ role in cultivating diversity, equity, and inclusion in mental health53:19 - Practical insights on balancing clinical work, writing, teaching, and family life56:26 - The importance of visibility, mentorship, and modeling a balanced professional life57:20 - Advice for students aspiring to combine psychoanalysis with academic careersResources & Links:A2P2 WebsiteSaving Talk Therapy by Enrico GnaulatiPsychoanalytic Research Studies (Peter Lilliengren)Guest Links:Nancy McWilliams  WebsitePublicationsLeora TrubFaculty PagePublicationsCredits:Host & Executive Producer - Bevin Campbell, Psy.D.Guests - Nancy McWiliiams, Leora TrubAudio Editor & Co-Producer - Ellis FeldmanComposer, Writer, & Co-Producer - Brian Mageo-Sausser