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Roadhouse, the remake of the 1989 action classic starring Jake Gyllenhaal, is now streaming on the Amazon Prime Video Service. Chris Ryan and I will break down that movie today, we'll compare it to the original, we'll dig into our latest and our ongoing series of sub-genre deep dives, garbage deep dives. We'll be talking about JumpFights later in this episode, I'll be joined by Michael Mohan, the director of Immaculate, the new Sydney Sweeney starring Nunsploitation horror flick. The movie is a lot of fun, Chris and I saw it together.
Mohan and Sweetie have been working together for years now, since I think they're third project together. Hope you'll see a graph from my conversation with Michael, he's a really fun, really smart guy who's having a bit of a moment. First let's talk about Immaculate Chris, let's do something together. We did.
We went to the LA premiere at the Egyptian Theater, which was very fancy and recently renovated, owned by the Netflix Corporation, thank you to them for all their work, not putting movies in movie theaters, but owning movie theaters. I thought this movie was a lot fun. Yeah, it was a blast. We got the full treatment though, you know what I mean?
I don't know how people are going to feel when they just go to their AMC and sit through Nicole and then have some chicken tenders while this happens. But for us, we got some masked nuns, we got a choir, we got a real gothi vibe inside the Egyptian. I didn't get the note about the dress code, but that was the feeling that everybody around us was dressed like they were in the Matrix. Yeah, you were in a Canadian tuxedo, I was in my typical dad outfit of like green pants, and everyone else was in all black looking incredibly slim, sleek and stylish.
Everybody smelled of like deep, musky, incense. I was like, why don't you want to see this rippity-doh? It's hilarious. You guys have red vines.
It was pretty, pretty sad for us. Right, man, a 90 minute horror movie about a chick who's pregnant with Satan. It's just about the best thing you can ask for on a Friday night. Yeah, and well, I mean, when that chick is pretty sweetie, who's really cresting, she's having this incredible moment that we very rarely see these days of young stars who start out really in television, develop their personas on screen, maybe they have a big studio movie, and then lo and behold, after the studio movie becomes a success, they had already banked a fun little genre movie, a messy, gnarly little genre movie.
We've seen this happen with Jennifer Lawrence. We've seen this happen with Elizabeth Olson. There have been a handful of stars who, after big breakthroughs, you see that they made something real down and dirty and really well made and really fun. But the best part about this movie to me, in addition to it being just like a very effective and lean horror movie that you're talking about, is that it is self-aware.
It is city-sweetie being self-aware about her own persona. It's a movie that has very serious themes. Of course, it's set in the church. It's an American nun who visits a convent in Rome where she's being kind of indoctrinated into the old ways of the Catholic Church.
And lo and behold, there's some suspicious activity going on and she's at the center of it. And Sidney Sweeney is playing with this hammer horror, 70s Ken Russell, none freak out movie thing. And she's really game for it. I was a little critical of her with anyone but you, because I just thought she was miscast and not right for that kind of a rom-com part.
But I did say, when freak out is the thing she has to do, which is what she often has to do as Cassie and Euphoria, she's fucking good. This is exactly what I was going to say, which is that the notes that she plays in this movie are similar to the notes that she plays on Euphoria. And I think that she's got a filmmaker in my hand, who's indulging her in that and playing that up. I would say that it is tongue in cheek without being really campy.
So there are moments where it's like, I see what you guys are doing here and you guys see what you guys are doing here. But it's not like Rocky Horror Picture Show or some sort of like kind of, nobody's really going over the top until the very end. And so I really enjoyed that aspect of it. It keeps you on your toes, but it also respects the genre.
Absolutely. There's some staging and costuming that is very like winking right at you about what they know what they're doing with stuff. But there's nothing in the script that would indicate that this is anything other than a genuinely scary kind of cultish Catholic horror movie. It's also really cool to see, honestly, I don't know what we joke a lot about like Sidney Sweeney and everything.
But like she definitely is in control of her instrument. Let's just put it that way. She's just like, I know what people expect slash like about me, but I also know what I'm interested in doing and we're going to find the perfect meeting spot of those two things. I mean, you mentioned the Jennifer Lawrence having the the genre movie.
I can remember what was that? The house down the street. Yeah. After after a big breakout with Winter's Bone.
But like this kind of reminds me a little bit of mother. You know, like I think like there is a little bit of like how far can I push myself to this part. It's true. A lot of tight closeups, her anxiety emanating off of her.
Yeah, it's a fun movie and it's the kind of movie that isn't it's not hard to get convinced somebody was to be like. Do you like horror movies? Do you like Sidney Sweeney? Sold.
Yes. And it is a kind of movie that I'm surprised we don't see more of. But the thing is, is that Sidney Sweeney to her credit, she apparently went up for this part in this movie when it was slightly different. Like, explain this to us and she didn't get the part and then the movie went away and the studio, I think, went away.
And then 10 years later, when she accrued the capital to produce, she chose to do this group because she really wanted to do this movie and she picked Mulhann after her experience was working with him on the Voyers and she made it happen for herself. So it is she is very much in control of the way that she's delivering her persona to us. She's like, fuck you, Joe, I do it myself. Absolutely.
She is she's captain now and we salute Sidney Sweeney. Thank you for your work. I'm talking about Roadhouse. Can we just say that when a nafe enters a convent and it seems a little off, there's just nothing better?
Well, can I take something really pears on my arms, stand up? It's so crazy and no one, most people have not seen this movie, some are not even aware of it. But in two weeks, there's a movie coming up called The First Omen, which is a prequel to The Omen, which I think you and Bill did on the rewatch. We did.
Yeah. Obviously, legendary horror movie Richard Donner, Damien Omen. And this prequel that's coming out has such an alarmingly similar storyline and structure and approach. Is it a really similar or is that the storyline?
What do you mean? Like if we're going to do a convent movie, what's going to happen at the convent? The Antichrist is coming in. I'm supposed to get we watched the film, Ben and Detta recently, this podcast and those nuns were fucking.
I think that's totally different. I think they indulged in devilish pleasures in that movie. I see. Yeah, I see.
You're right that the devil comes into play. Yeah, I'm not casting aspersions on what Ben and Detta chooses to do with herself. When's the last time you sat in a Catholic Mass? I actually literally haven't been to anything like that.
I'll do a little dabbling when I'm in some of the great churches of Europe. You know, if I'm traveling. The great churches of the continent. That's your Rick Steves audio podcast.
It's just you wandering around churches, touching things. Going off to priest and being like, you got any Antichrist experiences you'd like to share with my YouTube channel? Wow, I really want that. Damien, oh, man, jump off her.
But yeah, I think that like it's like when fucking four high school kids go into the woods. It's like when Cecilia goes into the convent, it's just like, yeah, it's a set up. Yeah, it's a great set up. So I'm all for none horror.
Where are you at on the double these days? Because I want it. What I want to do is actually ask you a little bit about this. Does the Antichrist make things a little hard for himself?
Because it always seems like, you know, a complicated like we have to find this vessel. Like if you're the Antichrist, can't you just like, bamboo sh into somebody or like, you know, host, we need a host. But where's that written down? Is that in the Bible?
Yeah, it's on page eight. I think it's there. If the Antichrist comes back in the sequel to three body. Yeah.
I don't know. It's a good question. It's like, I mean, if we believe in the ideas of possession, it seems to be banging his head against the wall. And I would just say, like, literally he's buried underground.
Go back and forth. Find a better way to make yourself. Well, see, the Antichrist to me is not the devil. To me, there's a difference.
The Antichrist is come to vanquish Christ. You're the bodies nodding. Well, he, because I think the devil is the participant. The devil, Catholicism guy on the pot of love, love Catholicism.
Yeah. And it's, but it's so bad, baby. Don't you need the devil to impregnate the host so that we can have the offspring of Satan, which would then become the Antichrist. See, I see.
And I'm saying technically the Antichrist's like position in the Bible is just anyone who prophecies themselves as the actual Messiah. Instead of Jesus. So it's like a competitor to Jesus. Okay.
So it's a Jesus Christ and David. I'm not talking about the biblical text. I'm talking about the history of hormones. And popular something has a baby and it's going to destroy everybody.
And it's the beast. Yeah. Right. And the Antichrist is such a, for lack of a better term, a sexy name to call that.
It is. It's not really about somebody. Have you guys seen the Lars von Trier movie Antichrist? Yes.
It's a dramatic feature. It's Bobby if you haven't seen that, I recommend it. Charlotte Ginsburg does unimaginable, indescribable things in that film. How do we get to Roadhouse from this conversation?
Well, do you think that Roadhouse kind of about the Antichrist? Is an abomination in the standing in the mirror image of its perfect original copy? Well, this is, that's my big question for you because so this new Roadhouse movie, which is now streaming on Amazon, directed by Doug Lyman starring, I would say a mutual fascination of ours, Jake Gyllen. Mm hmm.
One of the most unusual movie stars we had in the last 25 years, somebody who I always want to see what he's up to and what he's doing, why he's doing it, even when the projects are ultimately not very good. This one in particular sounded, it gets, it's clear why it was greenlit. It's clear that 80s IP that has a very recognizable name, but is very can be shifted to the modern times pretty easily. Yeah.
Would make sense. But this is a very odd movie. Yeah. But the original, which I didn't revisit, but you did recently on the rewatchables is also a very odd movie.
Yeah. So their energies are different. And what, like in what ways is this movie different from the original? Well, the original movie, I think for me functions is a B movie in the best, best possible sense of the word.
And I don't really know if there are like, are that many B movies anymore. I mean, like, yeah, like literally there is like Bekeeper and stuff like that, but anyway, it's also a B movie. But the idea of like having something that's very well made and very fun to watch, but is not quote unquote good or, you know, has like anything to tell us about art or humanity or anything like that is just like really like a great roller coaster ride. I think it's kind of like a lost art form because even something like this roadhouse remake has been thrown into debates about theatrical versus streaming and it's like a ton of CGI and has like a weird villain casting issue.
And it's almost like it's like even something like roadhouse in 2024 seems to have a lot of weight on its shoulders, which is funny because this movie, if you just go and watch it is exactly the kind of thing that you would want to knock out on a Friday or Saturday night. If you're like, I watch a pretty fun movie where Jake Joel Hall is jacked and beats ass and the keys. Yes. I totally agree.
As is so often the case on the show, we get a chance to see these movies and movie theaters and then they go straight to streaming services and we're having an experience where we're like from your conundance. Same issue. Yeah. You know, even six underground.
Yeah. A good example of that. Perfect example. Yeah.
Where you see a movie, it's a silly movie. Roadhouse is not a quote unquote good movie. It's not made to be. It's not made for the Academy Awards, despite Doug Lyman's protests ahead of the Southwest premiere where he said that this is Jake Joel and all's Oscar movie.
It's a remake of Roadhouse. It's a fun movie about guys beating the shit out of each other. When you see it and you're captured by the big screen, you're not looking at your phone. You're sitting with a buddy in this case me and you, you know, wolfing down some candy.
It's easy to get locked in and have a good time. That was a lot. I do think that most people that watch this movie at home will be like, what is this? This is not good.
This is the minute something happens that feels all for not as good. We just we've lost patience with it. So I'm not trying to extend an extra generosity to Roadhouse. But for what it was, I had a good time.
Me too. I would give it like it would be like thumbs up, but barely, you know, if that makes sense or thumbs up. Wavering thumb that is slightly tipping towards up. It's like if you I do want to talk about Jake.
I do want to talk about Joel. So in this movie, he plays an ex UFC fighter named Dalton, right, who takes a job as a bouncer at a Florida Keys Roadhouse. When we meet him, he has clearly left UFC. He's kind of living a shadow life fighting in these illegal fighting rings, but he clearly is understood to have a big reputation because when we first meet him, the guy who is getting ready to fight realizes who he is when he removes his hood.
I was like, I'm not fighting this guy. This guy's a mean, we don't know what he's done. We don't know how he's got in this reputation. But we know he's a bad ombre as you would say, Chris.
Yeah. And that leads to Jessica Williams, this character who runs this Roadhouse identifying him as the right guy for the job of bouncer at this bar in the Florida. Is the first guy post Malone? It certainly looks like him.
It's not. I didn't confirm that it is him. All right, let me just I'm just going to Google post Malone Roadhouse and see what happens. Yeah, that's post Malone.
Okay. So I thought it was him. Weird choice by post. Yeah.
To do that. We're not a post Malone. You're a white-eyed person. Zero opinion about him.
I don't even know that I could hum. I know that he has since like these early rap days and now he's like a country troubadour, right? I think that's great. I've almost zero interaction with him.
I like one post Malone song. Okay. It's called Sunflower. It's in the film Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse.
Okay. Do you remember that song? I do. You don't like it.
I just I couldn't hum it. I remember there being a post Malone song in the Spider-Verse. So post Malone fuses the fight, Joe and Hall. Jessica Williams tracks Joe and Hall down outside after he's been stabbed in the parking lot alarming sequence by a guy who lost a bet.
Yes. Wow. I mean, feel free to explain where you're at in the cold. We're crying like this sports betting thing is really getting out of hand.
It is. And what? You think you think he had money on the Dodgers? That guy?
No. He had a friend, please. The man. So he had to stab Dalton.
Yeah. Dalton quickly recovers by applying some duct tape to his torso and he decides to take this gig. Even though he's reluctant at first, he seems like a man, a lost man and he gets down to this roadhouse and he has something that is different from Patrick Swayze, who was the star of Roadhouse. Patrick Swayze, almost like a dancer, balletic and powerful.
He was a philosopher in the movie and a philosopher. So he's a philosophy student. He's got like a towel of Dalton. Like there's the whole be nice thing.
And he's also crucially a world renowned cooler, which is like the head bouncer of bars and is brought into dives to like clean them up. Dalton in this movie in the 24 version is a disgraced ex UFC fighter who like doesn't read, doesn't have a cool car, doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't. It's like way like the choices that they made. I would say that Joel and Hall's performance is far more idiosyncratic than Swayze.
Swayze is like the sheriff coming to clean up a town and this Dalton is way more like a CTE version of that. I don't know. He's very friendly. Yes.
And he goes out of his way to explain before he dispenses mayhem what he's going to do to his potential victims. He's going to be the hospital. One of the funnier bits in the movie is in fact he beats up a group of guys and then drives them to the hospital. That's very funny scene.
And there are a number of scenes like this where Jill and Hall has made a choice and some of it is clearly in the way that the character is written and some of it is clearly in his persona pursuit as a movie star. Much like when he portrayed Loki, much like when he played Lew in Nightcrawler where he takes a character that on paper scenes eccentric and he takes their eccentricities and multiplies them. And Dalton, who is one of the most perfectly sculpted humans on Earth and is a UFC fighter, happens to be a soft-spoken friendly guy who looks like Jake Jill and Hall. It's a weird choice.
I mean, I thought it worked if you want the movie to be a comedy. If you are expecting a full-blown action blowout which the movie sort of devolves into in the final third. One of the more shows that we have to call the real guy, that's when it turns into blood sport. It's interesting thing about the line making this movie because the line has made a lot of very chaotic productions over the years.
A lot of movies that really dance on that line between. Is this a comedy or like a hardcore genre movie at tomorrow? At times it feels very funny and very knowing and at other times it seems like a very chaotic action movie. Mr.
and Mrs. Smith is much like this. In some ways the Bourne movies are even like this where they have these kind of quiet, winsome intimate moments. I think that he brings, because of, I would like to associate it with his notoriously like find the movie as we're shooting it, find the movie, and reshoots find the movie as it occurs to me kind of style.
Which is at least allegedly how he shoots. That somehow out of that between the unbelievable amount of like allegiance he gets from like big actors despite the fact that almost every one of his movies is just a cool shit that was crazy. Matt Damon, Jake Gyllenhaal, like Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise multiple times. He does wrench out like a weird recognizable humanity in absolute poor shit setups.
Spy who loses his memory. P.R. Guy who finds out that he's supposed to save the world and has to do it over and over again. UFC fighter cleans up bar in the Florida Keys.
All of which are like, I'm a spy and I didn't realize my wife is also a spy. And all of those movies and like each one of them he just will force in something where you're like these people are behaving like people. Yeah, I think his background is first two films are Swingers and Go. Which are effectively like human dramas with comedy in them.
You know what I mean? Like low stakes, high emotion, and so you can see that he has like the tools and he's good with actors. Because actors like Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt fucking rave about Edge of Tomorrow. It's clearly a very chaotic production.
So you're right, he's able to get something out of them. The Gyllenhaal character though in the performance is one of the more alien performances from him in a history of alien performances. So here's one of the things I would like to say about Jake. I think that if I was beautiful and jacked and an actor, like I would have the same taste as Jake Gyllenhaal.
If I think Jake Gyllenhaal is incredible taste and maybe bad instincts. Okay, so what do you mean by that? So for the last 10 years, let's just do last 10 years of Jake. So it starts with Mike Crawler, which is really when you're like, okay, this guy who has all the tools to just be in the leading man sweepstakes.
Like all the Bradley Cooper, Chris Evans like chops. But also it was pretty funny and could also do Ryan Reynolds. And also it could do signheim and also wants to distort his body multiple times over the course of the last 10 years to play boxers or UFC fighters or bank robbers or whatever. So here's his last 10 years.
Night Crawler, pretty, I would say that is like a very decidedly like, that's a choice. Like, you know, I forget a forgotten David O'Rell's movie that finally got released after Night Crawler's South Paw Everest Demolition, Jean-Marc Ballet movie, nocturnal animals. I thought he was incredible in that and that's I love that movie life where he's like a supporting actor for most of that film. Ocha stronger, wildlife, he's fucking incredible in.
That's his most normal performance is wildlife. That's his most studied. I'm Paul Newman. I'm Robert Redford, like distressed, quiet male vulnerability.
But even that guy, I feel like he turns up the dial of like, there's something wrong with this guy so that it's not cool. He's not cool. You're just like, oh, yeah, it's sad. Sister Brothers, Velvet Buzzsaw, the guilty, a famous Chris Ryan auction selection for him.
I will not allow you to skip over Spider-Man Far From Home. His work as a mystery. Far From Home, the guilty, ambulance, modern classic. Ambulance rocks.
And then this fucking run where he's doing the Covenant Roadhouse and an untitled guy reaching movie coming I think later this year. Something's going on with him. He is like a very odd expression of modern escapists. And meanwhile he's doing signheim on stage.
Yeah. I mean, hilariously memorable in the John Mulaney. And he's doing a sack lunch. He's going to do a solo against a Washington.
Yeah. He's on a journey. He's on a quest. I would go back to the dual failure of Prince of Persia and Love and Other Drugs in the same year in 2010.
Where Love and Other Drugs is, I'm Tom Hanks, I'm Billy Crystal. I'm like, I'm in a relatable. Maybe I'm William Hurt. You know, like, I'm in a thoughtful adult dramedy about the complications of romance.
And Prince of Persia is my big franchise play. I'm going to be a big franchise star. And neither of those movies really work. I kind of love another drugs.
I think Hathaway's unbelievable in that movie. But it didn't play. Yeah. And then he goes to source code and to watch Prisoners' Enemy.
And he gets a little taste of the Villanuev ability to play weird, which we now see at Grand Scale of Doom where he's letting everybody just go real weird. Yeah. He's letting Javier Bardem go crazy. He's letting Scars' guard go crazy.
He's like, awesome, but other crazy. That's something he does. And I feel like that activated something in him where he was like, every time I take apart, I'm going to go massive. Roadhouse is kind of weird though because it's kind of a small performance.
It's obviously very physical and very powerful. But there's a scene in the movie where he meets this doctor after he's dropped off these people. He's beat up this actress Daniel Mille Cure. And they clearly have chemistry and they're hitting it off and they're going to be something like the ballet lingidolum.
Yes. They go off on a date and they get on her boat and they go to a sandbar and they set up their umbrellas and they're going to relax. And he can speak to us. They drink blue moon beers in the middle of the ocean.
Both of them. Is blue moon a beach beer? I thought it felt like spawned to me. Okay.
It was like very obviously like showing a label. What's your chief beach beer? A medello. Oh, okay.
Is that one yourself in the border? No, just anywhere. Okay. Yeah.
And during that scene, he kind of like clams up and has a moment of discomfort. And he plays it very subtly and strangely where you don't really know what's going on with him. You know that something is wrong, but he doesn't... It's like he realizes he's gotten too close.
He's having too much of a human experience. And the minute he starts having a human experience, he has to pull away. And it feels like a tidy little metaphor for the jig-jil and hollatting experience where every time he plays somebody who feels human, he's like, ah, actually I need to pull a little mustard on this so that it's not too normal. I think he's very credible beating the shit out of people.
I pretty much buy it. Except for Connor McGregor, I would agree. That was where I was going to go next. Connor McGregor is the heavy in this movie.
Yeah. Connor McGregor, who hasn't had a UFC fight in four years? I know. Yeah.
Yeah. Sounds like I've heard Ariel how long he stayed on a podcast. He's going into WWE. Is that true?
It's surprising it took him that long to make that pivot. Have you been keeping up with Raleigh? You know, I don't really watch wrestling, but I rely on you to update me on any. I'm not current, unfortunately.
There've been too many movies recently. Do you think Doug Lyman gave Connor McGregor a single note? How does one give Connor McGregor a note? So he just walks in.
So the idea is he plays this guy named Knox. It's too bad a man does not hear. Incredible beat because he literally has the word Knox tattooed on his family three times. Like Bug Life.
And then also has a Knox gold chain. Yeah. And he's like, um, Knox. I was hoping you'd do some Connor.
Well, I thought he was terrible in this movie and honestly didn't quite ruin it because like I'm not, I'm not above enjoying Connor McGregor and Jake John Hall fight, but I could not get out of my mind. I hated him in the roadhouse, but do we need him and everything? Like, should we have had Connor McGregor as a fade Ralpha in June two and having to pull a tridee? Her day call you the mowda diva.
You just look like a mouse to me. Like, let's get Connor McGregor in everything. I didn't know that was coming. You had that in your back pocket.
Yeah. That hit me in the shower last time. I'm going to drop the shower. Yeah.
I'm going to drop the shower. Yeah. I'm going to drop the shower. Yeah.
Do you keep a, like a whiteboard in there? You can take notes. No, I just have to store it up in the mind. In the brain bin.
Yeah. Good for you buddy. It's six. It's six.
I'll tell you. Do you, Chris, do you think that Blackthorn was inspired by McGregor? Like some of the B roll that they let me promote. I'm definitely vibing off Andy and you put a Blackthorn up today that is like a 40 and 21.
You know, it's like old school, like it's a yokech night. Do you think that voice work is the future of podcasting or the past? Probably the past. You think so.
I feel like I'm either over your, are you past your prime? I just, I think I need to go back to working on takes and just leave all my company in the past. Well, you know, like before we go too far, you did say you had a take that you wanted to share. Oh, yeah.
Unrelated to the Roadhouse film. Oh, I'm about alien Romulus. Yeah. First of all, yes.
I mean, 100% that I Alvarez was like, you know what we're missing from alien extreme amounts of blood. Yeah. And just putting that in the trailer, which I don't think covenant lacked blood. The beginning is extremely gory and it's a little less gory.
Yeah. Yeah. Naomi Harris scenes in any sign of stuff like in covenant is fucking disgusting and awesome, but like having just gore everywhere. The second thing I was going to say is that, and I saw other people making this point on just, I think Justin Kroll made this point on Twitter too.
There's just nothing like an alien trailer. You, you honestly could just make 47 alien trailers for unmade movies and I would probably watch them a hundred times because of the sound effect. And if you cut the rhythm of somebody sweating and running down a dark spaceship hallway, looking behind them and then give me one fucking xenomorph and a xenomorph in this man, they're flying around. Oh my God.
It's pretty scary. So I'm fucking in man. Okay, but that's not the take. You want me to do the other?
I want you to do the real take. I just want to know. I just want to talk it out. Yeah.
I just want to talk it out. Safe space. No one's listening to you. Why are we so resistant from making an alien from the POV of a man?
I just want to talk it out because you keep going back and saying, okay, we have this wild new take on alien. I have a new take. Here's what men have aliens. What's wrong with that?
One alien movie about a guy? Yeah. I think actually honestly, alien said in the world of men's rights activists is an incredible idea. I don't mean because that is the ultimate thing is like, let a man get pregnant with an alien and give birth to an alien to better understand femininity and the woman's experience.
I love Sigourney Weaver. I love Sigourney Weaver and I love Catherine Waterston and I do love women very much. If I gave you the option of three years after aliens, there's a Michael Bean alien movie. Wouldn't you be kind of into it?
Of course. Wouldn't you be into a prequel with Paxton and Bean? We're doing incredible things with AI. Is that out of the question?
We're doing incredible things with AI. I'm going to go on to Sora when I get home and I'm going to be like, make me an alien movie with Hudson and Hicks. I mean, we do have that already. Yeah, I know.
So you just want to remove Ripley is what you're saying. No, I'm not. You want Newt out of the hand. I don't like the dude storyline.
What? No. What are we doing aliens? I don't know.
What you just you and I like when are we going to know? No, just on the show on this show. We're on the rewatchable. I don't know.
I know. Yeah. Where they coming up? I never acknowledges those.
They're too close to Thanksgiving because he wants you to be 37 for that. That's probably it. You're so beautiful at 37. Yeah.
I love both takes on the alien films. Don't leave me hanging. Let's talk it out. I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
There are so many men in all the alien movies, but I think it's very funny that you worked on this. I texted you the state and you were like, yes, go on. I didn't even get hit with an LMAO. I just hit you with the hahahahahs.
So that was was a muted. Okay. So from now on when you text me back, hahaha, that means that you're giving me a muted laugh. Maybe.
Okay. Maybe not. I support you and all of your desire to build better and stronger takes. I think your takes are wonderful.
I kind of don't understand this take, but I like it. I will say something about trailers though. So I went to the new bed last night and I saw Plato's at least the very little scene adaptation of the John Diddy novel book that I loved and I saw like some of the movie on VHS a long time ago and I really remembered it all. But you know, the new bed they programmed the trailers before.
So they always showed these vintage trailers and they were very John Diddy and Gregory Dun themed because they wrote the adaptation of Lays and so they were showing a bunch of movies that they had written back in the park. What's the two of all pre-stoovey? True confessions. They wrote that which I think is based on his novel.
So they wrote a movie called Up Close and Personal. I'm sorry Michelle Pfeiffer and Robert Redford about a grizzled successful TV news producer reporter who falls in love with a young aspiring female reporter. Yeah. Which is like a perfectly nice down the middle 90s movie.
But the trailer which features the guy Don who was in a world guy. I was like movies have never been more back in my life than when I watched this guy saying words about it was like she was a woman wanted to climb and he was a man at the top. Together they rose even higher than they ever could have imagined. That's all we need.
Just put that on a fucking alien trailer. Like that's the same thing for the internal affairs trailer is just like he's a cop who pushes it too far. He's a cop who will bring him down internal affairs. I'm like yeah.
Just always works. Why did we vacate the narration on the trailer? She's the seventh woman to be an inalien movie. No one understands why we feel it gets the perspective of that.
Just to everybody. I don't actually think that. I'm just asking. Yeah.
You're asking questions. Yeah. No, I'll tell you what I support you. No matter what.
Okay. Whatever happens after this podcast goes up. Bob's like should I cut this? No, it's a zero percent chance.
I've never cut this. I only cut it on the left. If I don't laugh then I cut it. But if it's funny to me that's a good rule of thought.
What's going in? Is the take funny or is what's going to happen funny? All the above. Just like Mayno said.
I've been I have been wounded by that exact strategy by Bobby in the past where something is clearly funny that I wish was not in but nevertheless it goes in. Okay quickly back to Roadhouse. Conor McGregor can't act. Yeah, he has a strong physical presence.
There's a big fight scene in the middle of the movie where he kind of arrives in the movie and I would say 80 percent of it rocks and then there's 20 percent. It's just CGI like whip pan wipes with the cutting that is kind of annoying. Yes. And I wish it wasn't in there and I wish that the movie was a little bit more practical.
I just want to get that out there. I think that so you mean more practical like less CGI or more practical like less dug diamond shooting stuff with pinhole cameras and like jumping around and like I don't mind his I mean he's doing some experimenting but it's not consistent. Yeah. He moves into the first person POVs point of view a couple of times where you see what it would be like to be getting punched in the head by Conor McGregor and it's effective.
Yes. And it's really been set up by anything else in the movie and we never see it again. Yes. So formally speaking it just doesn't really work because you get whipped ripped out of the movie and then ripped back into some other kind of a movie.
More so the like when a guy's being thrown across the room I don't want to be able to tell that it's digitally altered. Yes. You know and I know a lot of times things like the strategically altered in all movies. I'm not begging for no CGI whatsoever but I just don't want it to be as noticeable as it is at times in this movie.
Can I just say briefly in the interest of just shouting people out here Billy Megison and Arturo Castro played two of the bad guys Billy Megison is basically the big one. He's kind of the son of Ben Guzzaro's character. Yes. And then Arturo plays like one of his like henchmen but is like essentially not built for it.
He's just like a very funny, drool, like kind of sweet guy. They are fucking great. And this movie does have a lot of fun around the edges and I really appreciate that Lucas Gage most recently seen having an abomination of a golf swing in Fargo is in this movie as like kind of the up and coming bouncer. Yeah.
I enjoyed it. You know what I mean? It's just I wouldn't much to Doug Mlimon-Sugar and I do not think we'll be talking about this at a word season. I do not think that's the case either.
Did you attend his premiere at Southwest? I was here with you. I know. No.
But oh, one other thing just to throw out at you is obviously we can't quantify these things in any normal way because it will just be hours spent impression eyeballs like things. Will people watch this? Well, it's this and we got three body problems this weekend which is a new Benioff and Y series which I actually watched all of and you finished it. I did.
You know? Mine which I loved it. You did? Yeah.
I really got into it. Okay. But two things where I don't know how much roadhouse would have a hold on the culture necessarily if it had been in theaters but if the fact that we're just like compressing this stuff in and pumping it out over a weekend is just very interesting to me. I don't know that roadhouse would make $20 million this weekend otherwise or I don't know.
I mean, body problem would be like a cultural phenomenon if it had been stretched out over two months but Jake Donahull hasn't been box office gold in the last 10 years. He's been in some success. You know, he's been doing it. Did it just completely?
Very badly. Despite the fact that it isn't out now. I think that the movie would have done fine if it was in theaters. It is best experience in theaters for sure.
They fought very hard to get it. It's not anything. He's just fine. Okay.
As far as I know. Didn't it take it to his yacht and screen it for him and he was just like still no. That was yeah, that was rumored. I can't confirm that.
Is that real? That was a story I was actually a real rumor. It was rumored. Oh my God.
They tried to go over Jen Salki's head and show it directly to Bezos. Chris, how did it play on the yacht? You were there. You were driving.
You were driving. I'm below. You were showing him some body weight workouts. That's right.
The thing is with Prime Video, like we saw this with Red White and Blue, we saw this with Salpern when it hit Prime Video. The right kind of a movie can take off. I feel like a lot of people watch that Jennifer Lopez streaming movie that she made. So there's a world in which some like and this is very reach your Jack Ryan coated.
Yes. It feels like in that programming and the boys does some extent too. There's that the male targeting for Amazon. It feels like this movie fits in nicely.
But I don't think there's a lot of people who are wondering where's their roadhouse or make either. If they've even seen the original roadhouse. I feel like it has been promoted fairly well. I can never tell what that sort of thing.
We live in LA. So it's really, I mean, billboards being everywhere. I mean, I just think that they had a lot of ads during sports. I'll say that.
Yeah. I'm not sure. Bob, you're going to watch this, right? Yeah.
I'll check this out. I love the original. I can't wait or you'll get around to it. I don't know about tonight.
You know, I've heard a little bit about this three body problem. No. I like the original roadhouse a lot. I saw it in a pack, the other had video a couple months ago when I was in LA for the, the, uh, Globe show.
Yeah. And it was just phenomenal. It just plays amazing to this day. It's, an incredible company.
It's swayis using iconic. We don't have to do the comparing contrast, but it is very interesting to see what, what we feel the need to infuse our blockbusters with now versus then or even our action. Rodehouse know how funny it was when it was made and released. I don't think something like that.
I don't think so. I think that they, those guys like did like 72 takes of like the fight between, Swayzia and the guy with the necklace. I think in unlike Immaculate, which knows how self-aware it is, the self-awareness that this Roadhouse has, the 2024 version, I think is working against a little bit. Well, it's like in Roadhouse, it's self-evidently a Western, and then in this Roadhouse, they have to talk about how it's a Western.
Like they have to have a character be like, you're like the sheriff who comes in to clean up the town, and like, but the sheriff at the end, what happens to him? It's like, all right, I got that just from watching the movie. Yeah, I just saw a Fistful of Dollars projected. Yeah.
And that's a good one. There are a couple of scenes that are directly aping. Fistful of Dollars, and I guess you Jimbo too, you know, that's inspired by that, but it's over. The homage is our overt.
Jump fights. Let's talk a little bit about this, because this is one of our most complicated, in terms of like parliamentary procedures, I don't want to overwhelm the house here. It's confusing. Well, let me just very quickly, are the fights in the new Roadhouse good too?
I like the actual barberalls. I think that the like championship bouts in Roadhouse are kind of like, okay, there's also stuff that happens in the fights between McGregor and Gyllenhaal, which I was like, oh shit, I'd never seen that before. And then I went and preparing for garbage fights. I was like, ah, I see where you got that.
Yes. Particularly in the final fight, there's a lot of your Adkins, Michael Jai White, even like Tony Jai, Jet Li, like the most, the recent vintage, Statham, the recent vintage of great movie fighters have carved a lot of land. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, you had like, those guys have done so much, and those filmmakers were making those movies, have done so much that it's hard to do anything new one to this one. That's why I love the John Wick movie so much, is because I can feel Stihelsky watching everything. I mean, like we got to try this. No one's ever done this.
He's also like, I've now moved into like this, I'm in Buster Keaton's zone with this rather than John Wu. And also grand scale action filmmaking, that is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So like, that's a good place to start maybe. John Fights, like John Wick is probably our most known praise celebrated contemporary fight genre movie.
They made four of them. I don't know if I'll make another one. It will. It seems like they will.
They're doing a spin off next year with Anadarma, Valorina. And Stihelsky's like now the chief creative officer of John Wick, right? Like, yes, although I think he's doing a Highlander movie next. But he's like, didn't he go back into like, edit Ballerina or anything?
Wasn't there? That's rumored. Yeah. Len Waz was directing him, but it sounds like he's putting his imprimatur on it.
Wick though, is really slick studio movie. And so it raises a question of like, what is a junk fight? Because when we've been doing this in the past, movies, but not quite any movies. Yeah.
So in the past, when we've done garbage, you know, garbage fish, garbage spice, garbage space, whatever, we've the different permutations of this, we've usually said that the way something qualifies as garbage is if it is about nothing more than itself. Like, 2001 is not a garbage space movie, but a rather a horizon is, you know, in some ways you can make a qualitative distinction. But for me, it's more about like, is fighting and fights the whole sum total of why you would watch this movie. Aha.
Now that's a good way to think about it. So that changes my calculus. It changes my calculus too. And also like, fighting is actually like, I'm into fighting a lot.
But I don't know if I'm obsessed with it about like, Shane Jason. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I, it is not like, I don't have like a Tony Jah shrine, you know?
I'm like, okay. Like, good fight. And I recognize what I like and don't like. So you need the movie to work as a movie, but it also needs to be a movie because of the fighting?
I really don't care what the story is if it's a nun with the anti-Christ. Yeah. There can be no junk horror. Yeah.
Because it's all junk horror. Yes. So with junk horror, I have like my favorite fights, I broke down some of my favorite fights in movie history. Okay.
Aren't necessarily from garbage fight movies. And then I made a list of garbage fights, albeit, I think, very much weighted towards contemporary in the last 20 years. Okay. As always, I want to thank you for doing the work.
Okay. I do want to hear about your favorite fights. This is not the history of the best fights in movie history, but where to begin? Well, I'll ask a procedural question.
Fight club is not garbage fights. It's not. However, when the fighting is happening, it is. Okay.
And as soon as the fighting in the movie stops, it is no longer. Because I was going to say fight club is not garbage fights, but snatch is. Snatch 100% is. Snatch is bare knuckle boxing.
Yeah. With a bunch of weird, blind-y bros. And the movie itself is kind of like Road House in that it's like a self-referential movie about other movies. About his first movie.