Rob Redenbach on specialist security operations; and a tribute to the late, trailblazing pilot Nancy Bird Walton

This episode features two interviewsRob Redenbach is a specialist in training people like the British SAS and the Australian Federal police in self-defence and unarmed combat. He's recently returned from Afghanistan, where he was giving much-needed advice to humanitarian groups based in Kabul.Rob's autobiography Waveman is published by MacmillanAs a tribute to the pioneering aviatrix Nancy Bird Walton, who died last week, these are some highlights of the original Conversation she had with Richard on 31 January 2005To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.