Robin Thicke

Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome to our chair expert, I'm Dan Shepherd and joined by major mouse major Welcome home major mouse. I'm home. I missed home. We missed you terribly.

It was really nice It was really nice to be home. I thought guilty about leaving my parents this morning. Oh, you did so good You felt guilty for me. No way from us and then guilty.

Yeah, that's the dream. That's the goal I gotta tell you something I've loved Robin Thix music big time Yeah, but I also think I had an opinion of him I mean I don't know what it was really based on but I found him to be incredibly humble and honest and I really enjoyed this I did too and I thought the exact same thing. I kind of had some preconceived notions where you can see that were not right and previously conceived notions I'm really glad we got to talk to him and those were shattered. Yes.

Yes And of course Robin Thix is a singer songwriter record producer dancer musician and an actor He is collaborated with numerous artists such as Nick Minaj, Christina Aguilera, Pharrell, Usher, Jennifer Hudson, Brandy, Mary J. Blyes and more He's also on masked singer. That's right. Yeah, but most importantly he's here because he has a new album out called On Earth and in Heaven So please enjoy Robin Thix He's in our church Oh, there we go.

I'm glad you're going without buds and going proper. You know, I'm in my studio So this works out. Yeah, you might be shocked though some of the musicians we interview and they've got the shittiest set up Where are you at are you in LA? I'm at home.

I'm in Malibu at our rental We lost our house in the fire. So we were still renting and rebuilding. I read that Were you like away at a hotel? No, no, we were there that morning You know, my son was getting ready for school and my lady was keeping track of it through the night And in the morning the smoke was so bad in the air.

I was like, we're not going to school We're gonna go to your parents house or something So we started packing anyway about an hour later. We were told it was a mandatory evacuation So that's when we started to pack everything we could fit into two cars. Oh my gosh I had a false alarm once where my neighborhood was evacuated. Yeah, it's a weird question to ask yourself Like what am I gonna take out of here?

Well, I was lucky because my father had having passed away I had gathered many of his photo albums So it was on my mind and so I made sure I got my computer which has all my music, right back the computer packed a few guitars Got my dad's photo albums. I told my son. I was like back up as much as you can. He got like a pair of underwear He's a minimalist.

Yeah, he was like it was like a weekend getaway is what you have planned for it But now but you know it was a tragic and in its forms as you were driving away Did you had a sense like it was gonna happen or what would you have given the odds at that point? At that point I was still 80 20 that it wasn't gonna happen. I mean, I'm an optimist my nature So I just believe no this can't be happening. It's not gonna.

It's not gonna come all the way over here It's us, you know, but when you we saw from the satellite image It was literally a beeline. Uh-huh. It started the wind just took it straight to our neighborhood and crushed our neighborhood Oh, how long had you lived there? We had lived there about three years, you know But I mean we had just had our daughter Mia I had moved from the Hollywood Hills with a third of an acre with a great view You know the bachelor pad and I moved out to an acre and a half in Malibu overlooking the ocean So it was like this is our dream family home Yeah But you know luckily with the properties in good shape and we're just broke ground finally after years of planning We just broke ground and so there's there's a new positive hopeful energy Yeah, we'll have a home again someday and I'm sure people listening in like the Midwest are going Why would you rebuild there?

There's a fire every half hour in Malibu. It is a rather questionable just But I guess just like anything when you have the memories that we started there and my fiance and I fell in love there That was always our home and it's just great for kids like it's just a beautiful property for kids So we're gonna rebuild and build fire safety codes and just hope for the best man I'm two years older than you so we're roughly in the all the same stuff But I don't you remember when I'm Madonna and Sean Penn's house burnt down and roughly and then he just put an air stream on the property And just lived in an air stream. Yeah forward. Yeah, wait a pivot very very Penn That would be great and we would save a lot of money, but it's I have four kids That's just we don't think you can do it in a a aorta stream not by choice Was there anything you wish you would take in that you didn't the irony of it was that we have a carport sitting out where we put Our car's under carport was untouched.

I could have put every everything everything in the house I could have put under the carport and it would have survived But no the one thing that obviously I this was my piano I had had this piano for 20 years I'd read all of my songs on that piano so that hurt. Yeah, we did you have like a superstitious panic like oh, I will never create again Because I don't have that oh no, I need the money so I have to The luxury to not create no there's no luxury to pout That's pretty good. I think when we meet people out here that are from LA It's always interesting to us because we obviously looked at it from the outside Monica and Atlanta me in Detroit and it was such a mythical kind of place and then so to have grown up here Not just grown up here, but as close to you could as being a character on 902 1. Oh, I mean Where you oh, yeah, I was close friends with bride Austin Green you guys had a hip-hop group Right well for like yeah a month, you know a summer we had a hip-hop He was gonna be a rapper.

I was gonna be Michael Jackson and so we we did a song together in a growing pains episode And that was the end of our Yeah, so obviously most people know your dad was Alan thick I think you and I share a lot of things that we're gonna ultimately cover but definitely one is I lost my dad as well From what little I know about your dad sounds like they were a little bit similar in that my dad He was a player he was 300 pounds involved, but he had he had charm He drove a Corvette and he had charm and he spent most of his wake waking hours dedicated to Cohabitating with gals, but and then they were divorced at seven. I guess yes my mother and father divorced at seven Yes, well, who did you live with it was 5050 split down the middle? Yep, I would go luckily both my parents lived about 15 minutes away from each other and school was in between Yeah, it was rather convenient to be able to go back and forth per week Did you prefer to be at one or the other well my dad's house? Of course was looser and he was gone on the weekends.

So once I hit 13 14. Yeah, that was the place to be Now is this I've been missing this word. I want to get it right this time Is it apocryphal that there was a hot tub in your father's bedroom? There was a hot tub in a few rooms Oh, wow, oh, that's great He had a gym that also had a sunken in tub with the fountain in the gym So dad, you know, he was a family man in every sense But he did have a few years there when growing pains was at its height.

Yeah after he got divorced There was a window there. There's such a taste the irony who he was playing on growing pains. Yeah, yeah It makes me kind of think of full house. Yes, exactly.

Yeah, the Bob Saget Situate Bob Saget of it all yeah, but I wouldn't want to distort it. It was a period not a lifestyle that you know He just was a handsome and charming and he loved going out to all of the like golf tournaments tennis tournaments every hockey game every Basketball he just loved Hollywood and everything it had to offer he had come from Canada. So he's like me This place was like a land of unicorns problem. Yeah, it was like John Wayne and that's what he wanted to be I realized after he passed I started watching John Wayne movies for some reason and I realized that that's what my father was doing the Whole time doing Okay, Corral have a little Realize my dad was just doing this version of John Wayne the whole time Well, aren't we all doing we're trying to do a version of somebody and then it just goes through our filter and it ends up being something Novel and unique exactly then we find ourselves through mimicking others that we admire.

Yeah Yeah, like you're given it a your best shot to be that thing But then you cannot help but infect it with your fingerprint which becomes your thing exactly now growing up around all that I know you acted a bit in that you were on wonder years, which is so exciting if I was pretty cute who got to be on wonder years It is the best job it gave me the feeling what did wonder years wonder years like very nostalgic Uh-huh was that when your favorites Monica when I'm trying to see I feel like you're hinting around this was your sexual awaken There was something about the wonder years it was a little before my time so it would pop up and it made me feel like Kind of yucky. Oh wow. This is exciting. This is a horrible time to bring it up But there was something about it that gave me a feeling that I've now named the feeling and it's not a very good feeling Ah, do you think it's that it was too mature?

There was something about that was at that time for me to earnest or something. Oh Who did you play on wonder years? I asked a girl to go steady in the hallway and that made Fred Savage's character want to ask another girl to go steady I'm you're a catalyst And obviously I assume you would go see your dad on set and your mom on set I lived on the growing pain set. Yeah luckily my father lived five minutes from there I come home from school hop on my bike ride my bike to set and then I would ride my bike around the set I'd ride in the old West town like the security would come and like tell me to stop I'd be going through past the Chevy Chase Christmas vacation house Past the karate kids house than papa Rita's house was on the lot You know so I did live a very interesting childhood being on those sets well and the best part is it sounds like you had the presence of mine to enjoy it Oh man, I was having a blast Well, that's the things like my brother and I were a little different that way my brother shied away from my father's success He made him uncomfortable maybe in some way where me I embraced it as an opportunity to do stuff You know to me.

Yeah, be around fun people So when you would do these acting roles at that point where you Set on becoming an actor no, I just got some opportunities, but it wasn't my home music was what I wanted to do for sure Like from what age from around ten eleven years old I when I was eleven I taught myself to play piano and I started writing my own songs and by the time I was 16 I had a recording contract I was placing songs as a writer and a producer, you know, I got off and running pretty early Yeah, and so the high school experience What was it like you know having your dad being the hit show of the day and well in Hollywood if you're at a private school You're probably some other kids there too. So yeah slice the loans kid is there or you know Or Dion Warwick son I remember was at the Campbell Hall But you know so yeah, it's just part of the culture in Los Angeles that you're gonna end up around some of that slice kid Was he jacked? You know good good good good good. I like to all right So I probably became aware of you musically from cocaine I don't know what year that was but that was like the evolution album It came out in 2006 and then it was a success in 2007 to get going yeah 2007 when it hit well and I really loved it But at the same time I'm so distracted by the notion that you're Alan thick son And I just wonder like I bet in some ways it was helpful and then in other ways It was probably really a bit of a burden.

Yeah, because as a musician especially you want that mystery You know you want to come from nowhere and it all be about the music You don't want my dad smiling face hovering above my music Yeah, you know and obviously I had to contend with some of those challenges But in hindsight you realize that it's all BS and stuff. It's in your head. It really doesn't matter It doesn't change the catalog of music you create and you should embrace those things more than shy away from it Yeah, ultimately the music does the talking which is great right it is a meritocracy in that way I just think in your business in particular the story so intriguing yeah, especially in R&B You know where you come from and it being maybe hard-scrabble or these different things they add to the story Yeah, and not only was your dad famous But he was also playing like the Squares dad on TV. Yeah, yeah So you're kind of like well, how's this guy got all this rhythm?

Why is he so high on this on the soul spectrum? And his dad's like the widest guy ever to live but you know, what's funny about that if you go through my DNA I come from six generations of musicians of jazz trumpet players my mother is a soul pop singer So we've been trying to make black music for six generations. Yeah, yeah I read I thought was funny about you early on worked with Brian McKnight and they they called you Brian McWhite There was something that just for me, you know soul music soul singers gospel take six That just touched me and I wanted to sing like them You know what I mean? I wanted to sing with that kind of passion with that kind of feeling with that kind of soul And so it was really the singers that I just fell in love with that I wanted to be like them This has nothing to do with anything, but do you love Daryl Hall?

I love Daryl Hall. I absolutely I love Michael McDonald Kenny logins. Yeah, I mean when I got to meet Kenny logins I didn't recognize me first he came we were doing some morning show together He came in and said hi and told me really like my music. I was like nice guys.

I was like this kid I went ran into his dress and I was like oh my god. I'm really recognized. Oh my god, man You know, it's all a lineage. Oh, even the Bee Gees did you see the reason?

Yeah, it's phenomenal so great to have them admit that the reason they were singing falsetto was because of all of the soul singers They were emulating. Yeah, and so I think that's just natural Yeah, I brought up there a hall because he was named in Philadelphia Blue-eyed soul And was winning all these ochipelah contests as one of the only white entrance. Yeah, and yeah, I find him incredible Now one thing that's just juicy for me because I absolutely love him your first demo was paid for by Algerow Which again only in Hollywood? I went to a boys to men Jodicee concert at the Hollywood Palladium I end up meeting a table full of 18 year old black guys I sing for them in the club at the Hollywood Palladium We make friends we start a band together when I'm like 14 and two of the members of our group their godfather is Algerow So I end up at their house sometimes.

I'm hanging out with Al a little bit and my dad does not want to pay for a demo at 14 Right my dad's too soon. It's too soon. We're not going. I'm not giving you fifteen hundred dollars to record music No, so Algerow gave us the fifteen hundred dollars We cut the three songs Tricky Stewart who ended up producing for Beyonce and Rihanna one of the biggest producers He was just getting started the time I cut a couple more songs with him because he heard those songs and next door Brian McKnight was recording at the same studio Brian heard those songs Yeah, and thus it all began okay, so there's so many elements how your childhood set you up to be where you're at because the notion You're out at 14 clubs for people also not everyone's allowed to tool around town.

Yeah, like I said dad was gone on the weekend I have a question that maybe is dicey we can cut anything out. I'm here open kimono But now that we live in a very scrutinizing time and cultural appropriation is a big thing is it hard to be a white musician who's been doing soul music for this Long and now it feels like oh am I gonna get called out for cultural appropriation even though I mean I think music is all about pulling influences from other people and other things, but it's just so heightened right now I feel like it'd be scary. Yeah, but you know what? There's just something about music and especially this generation because we've all grown up on hip-hop It's just different now, you know what I mean and like I've been on BET for 20 years Bt was the first to play my video.

I had a sprite commercial on beat. I'll be T is the only place I play So I was on the real husband's a Hollywood with Kevin Hart on Bt So for me that is my family that is my home my new video that just came out Bt premiered even 20 years later It's still BET is the place that I get the most love and that is home to me I think it's it's gonna be other white people maybe that are still trying to figure out where they fit again I think the music does the talking right exactly if you're Eminem no one gives a fuck and if you're Mac Miller No one gives a fuck like if you're good and you're adding something to it not just ripping yeah and Justin Timberlake and Justin Bieber I think this generation it's a collaboration it's different from what it was it used to be Elvis with a band of white guys on stage Doing black music now it's a collaborative now. There's black directors doing our videos as black songwriters is black producers We're on stage. We're in the videos together.

It's all a collaborative positive life force You know now and I don't I don't think it's anyone on the inside saying anything. It's only on the outside Yeah, and those are the people that are still trying to figure out where they fit into this American culture And you know but really if you treat everybody with respect and you give everybody the same kind of love and equality Then you won't have these questions in your head You just treat people the way you're supposed to treat people and it won't matter it usually takes us an hour to discover this But you have zero chips on your shoulder. Would you agree Monica? Yeah?

Just like a positive takeaway of nearly everything. Have you strove for that or have you always been that way? No, I mean I've always been very positive But I just went through my darkest days my father in my house my mentor my addictions Just everything at the same time all hit the wall and I don't want to be that person ever again Yeah, when you carry those chips, you're you're suffering none of the people you have a chip on your shoulder about or suffering now I have to remind myself to go easy on myself. Oh god.

That the biggest chip now is against me Oh, yeah, so I think I was listening to stern you on stern and then I found out that you had been sober for some period of time, right? Mm-hmm I guess you hadn't like at a young age identified that you were an addict or anything. No, no It wasn't until my 30s. I was in good control of my faculties You know I was a beer and a glass of wine kind of guy But it wasn't until the touring and the partying and the lifestyle and you just think you can manage it all you think you can keep going at that pace And then your habits catch up with you.

Yeah, I'll be it's at the illusion of being manageable don't they yes And the illusion of normalcy of some form of normalcy, you know, you don't have to hide in the bathroom. You're not falling down You're slurring your words. It's not on your breath. It's not on your breath.

Yeah, you can't necessarily see it in the eyes Yeah, but at least for me personally even though you're doing all those things you're not actually present for them in my Recent brush with it. I was doing all the things I'm supposed to be doing. I'm putting the kids to bed I'm I'm watching dishes. I'm interviewing people and I'm telling myself.

Wow. This is so manageable and yet now obviously I have the clarity to say well I wasn't really present for any of it because all I'm actually thinking about is like where we are when am I'm I taking another one? Where am I going to take another one? It actually is playing in the foreground and my life is playing in the background Yes, and I just wondered if that was your experience.

Well, yeah I mean I want to be considerate. I don't want to be reckless with my statements I want to be careful just to be honest and careful about the timeline because I think it was when I moved out to Malibu and April and I were having our honeymoon because the blurred line stuff that was a pill thing that was like pill drinking my back was hurting It started from traveling on long flights and back pain and then it just became a bad habit But once all the blurred lines madness stopped and I moved to Malibu I had a really nice honeymoon with April for a while and then the honeymoon slowed down in the drinking increased and then my father passed and now I'm out kind of out of the business. I put on 50 pounds. I just kind of lost myself I was making music that wasn't even like from my heart anymore And that's where I kind of lost myself for a while And it wasn't really until covid hit and my mentor passed away that it all became very clear.

Uh-huh That was kind of the bottom. I was functioning. I was doing like you said, but I wasn't Kyle Day It was more like take care of the kids and once they're asleep. I'm gonna drink myself to sleep Sure, sure, but then you're pranky in the mornings Then you're arguing with your lady and you don't remember what you said And then it's just like this isn't a life for a family and I can't be the dad I want to be like this.

Yeah What was the experience because you were successful for decades, right? Yeah, and then blurred lines is a launch out of a fucking cannon, right? I mean I can't remember a song that was more ubiquitous and I mean it was just yeah It was an avalanche of Everything right yeah, that can be hard to manage no knowing what I know now I could have managed it all better turns out that I still had a child inside of me that needed Unrealistic things I had unrealistic desires and then they got more selfish the more successful I became the more selfish my desires became Yeah, and with a little therapy and some self-realization and just some Reality slapping you in the face. I have finally woken up and now I can be myself love myself I can be the butt of the joke and be okay with it finally that was hard for me I held on so tight to my music and my art that I couldn't laugh at myself and being able to laugh at myself has become my new superpower That's what gets me through it's one of the greatest quality someone can have absolutely But you know the experiences that you've been lucky enough to have that I've been lucky enough to have they are so heightened and they are Very unique and most people don't really experience I was like you know if you walk on stage and you're playing the 30,000 people That's just such a heightened experience Yeah And I almost feel like to avoid some crash you just start trying to amplify every other pocket of your life because it's so stark in contrast to what you're experiencing Yeah, and I think that some people can manage it if they don't have those drugs and alcohol to try to balance yourself out Then you don't have those issues my father's lifelong mantra was always balanced balance And then of course when I lost balance Everything went out of whack and now that I focus on my balance I focus on getting enough rest being present with the kids being present in my work even on the mass singer making sure that I'm enjoying it Instead of being up there like man, I never thought I'd have to do something like this.

Sure Yeah, cuz when I started I you know I still thought hey man, what am I doing here? Yeah, I'm a singer and then now I've totally embraced it and I'm having more fun than ever the producers are happier than ever So you realize you are standing in your way Yeah, and that's what my issue has been I've been in my way for too long I imagine there's a layer for you that say I didn't have like my dad hadn't Navigated and managed that kind of attention perfectly and then I came along and did it bad I guess if I were you I'd probably feel like I had really disappointed him on top of whatever I've done to myself Right, but with all due respect to my father and through some therapy I realized that he was gone a lot by choice and as a son that hurts Yeah, like why do you have to keep going to another cool person's party? Why do you have to why can't you hang out with me? Why can't you take me places?

So through therapy I realized that I was still searching for his attention for his approval And here I am trying to be a rock star to make him proud of me and because maybe if I'm a rock star he'll hang out with me Yeah, yeah Stay tuned for more armature expert if you dare oh My god, so this is fascinating because I imagine when blurred lines happens you have created this fantasy where if that ever happened You were gonna feel like this. Yeah, I'll be the coolest to my dad fine Yeah, and that none of these fantasies ever are what you think they're gonna be right. No, of course Can I ask what he died of heart attack all heart attacks? Yeah, I was very sorry about that luckily right before he passed Even though I was drinking a lot I was going through a gratitude period for my parents because I was having a tough time I really appreciated how they had kept it together for so long and I'd had some great talks with my dad leading up right before he passed About how much I appreciated him and looked up to him and how I don't know how he made it that long keeping it all together Yeah, and I got to let him know how much I appreciated him so that fell If you found that like for me having kids has also provided this Opportunity to forgive him in all these ways I don't think I could have if I hadn't had kids even more so my mom who had a very difficult childhood Isn't the type to deal in them in too much emotion?

Yeah, because it's overwhelming for her if she has to deal in emotion So I always wanted more from my mom I'm gonna give me a little more and now that I have kids and I've been through the ringer and been in the same business That she's been and I have so much love and respect for my mom's grace and her dignity and her keeping her head on her shoulders And not becoming an addict and not losing her cool You know just I have so much an admiration for my mother that I don't know I've had until I had children Yeah, so helpful. Let's talk about Pharrell. I'm kind of obsessed with Pharrell Not knowing a ton about music, but there's just something about him that seems I feel like we've got like a Picasso among us or something Yeah, yeah, how did you meet him and how is that friendship and working partnership? My first album was critically received very well didn't sell a lot but on the inside circles I had a lot of respect in the soul music community So Pharrell was a fan of the first album and then he was signing his new deal with Interscope Records for Star Trek and Jimmy I mean who owns Interscope Records.

He was always great at pairing people together He would put Eminem with Dre. He would put 50 cent with Eminem So he put me with Pharrell to have Pharrell put his arm around my shoulder and present me to the public that way Yeah, so his cosign opened up doors for me and then blurred lines, you know, we got lucky with that years later But it was really just him ushering me into the world saying you got to check this guy out You got to listen to this guy what happened? He just helped me out in every single way. That's interesting because we just interviewed Timberlake and he has the exact same story that between Pharrell and Timmillan Yeah, that kind of gave him the past At least gave him a neutral like, you know, we're gonna listen Well, the great thing about Justin was that Pharrell produced that first album and they just had great record after Because I remember hearing also that word some of those records supposed to be from Michael Jackson Yeah, Michael turned him down and then he did them all in Justin and Justin has a 10 million selling album So I mean those are still today those records play in their badass So they just knocked it out of the park with Justin's first album I remember watching Justin because I was like, oh, let's see what this guy does But then I heard the records.

I was like, damn, good record Yeah, if I were you I would have been real positioned to hate him like, oh, okay He's leaving this boy band. I've been doing this for 15 years Well, the good thing was is that I had the long hair at the time I saw myself as some other thing my first time I even went by the name thick, you know I didn't even go by Robin thick because I thought I was like back sure sure I thought I was the artist artist. I thought okay, Justin He's a superstar pop star. I'm the artist in which two different worlds Yeah, of course then years later here.

We are the synergy of you know and everything that you want to accomplish You realize that your past or more intertwined Yeah, not was there someone's career that you wanted or that you thought you were emulating? Oh, you know Not really I think there was somewhere in between Michael Jackson and Bruce Springsteen Mmm, okay, my dad's favorite was Bruce Springsteen that feels very on brand for your dad. Yeah, yeah Bruce Springsteen was everything a poet a man's man a man of the people and so that was very much a part of who I am but then I wanted to be the Superstar that the showman. Yeah, Michael Jackson was what about Prince I feel like you were going more after Prince because he was a little sexier and yeah the musician side of Prince also a pill addict Yeah Okay, so as you said the last run you've been on is just every conceivable thing that could happen by the way I did not know you gained 50 pounds was that done pleasurably or slowly immediate?

It was slowly Yeah, I mean I just had procrastinating like I'll get back to it I'll get back to it and then all of a sudden five years went by and the mass singer was so great for me because it made me Get off my butt put a suit on go to work have to see myself in the mirror and go gosh what happened to you buddy? Yeah, and so then the self-hate the self-loathing that kicks in and so you like I said it really wasn't until a year ago when COVID struck and my dad was gone and then my mentor my executive producer my best buddy godfather and my son was gone and that was Just like I have to change my life and I got to live more Can you tell me how he was a mentor to you? I've not had one and I'm curious like musically or spiritually or Just every way he showed up and he owned uptown records Which was Jodicee father MC heavy D guy all these great music from the 90s Then he ran bad boy records with puffy he gave puffy his first job and he mentored puffy He signed Mary J Blige, so he was a soul godfather and a music godfather to so many So he meets me when he's moving to LA to start his LA move He'd been in New York for 20 years puffy is at the height of puffy fame and Andre comes to me He hears me saying he sees something especially and he makes me feel like finally somebody gets me right This is before I've released any of my own solo music Can I ask what age you are then about 22 23? I think we met in 99 or 2000 it was right around then and so I was just starting to dedicate my time to my own solo music And I met him and he taught me how to walk how to talk how to dress he took the photos He helped me with every song what it was missing what I was trying to accomplish with my music because I was all over the place And he actually said okay What are you trying to accomplish then you want to go here with it and then all of his connections?

So I throw a Halloween party. I've got Naomi Campbell Mariah Carey Ted Demi Paul Thomas Anderson seal seal At the height of seal these are the people in my studio before my album comes out okay at the Halloween party So Andre's friends are everyone and now I'm got long hair and I'm fabulous and I got all and I'm thinking they're my friends too Everybody's loving the music and then the album drops and we don't sell anything And Jimmy I've even spent five million dollars and another mine and the album's a total commercial flop Oh, and then that's where the evolution of Robin fix songs came And that's when I finally started writing my best material was when I fell on my face man You've been humbled a bunch huh? Yeah, man. It's good for you.

It's an art form too. Honestly, I know it's cliche and everyone says it But it's it's so much more admirable to watch someone repeatedly get up. Thank you Thank you Well, you know It's funny is that like you were saying you know growing up in the semi-privileged life and wanting to be a soul singer I probably needed these things that happened to justify my music Yeah, yeah, now my life has justified my music finally not to harp on blurred lines But again, it was just such a spectacular thing. It was so spectacular in those moments where you like okay?

This is it like I'm Jay Z from going forward. Yeah, yeah, you get a little cocky and you start thinking everything you touch is gold And then you stop focusing on the details and then you just start saying yes to everything because the check is big I will make an excuse for you which is you had spent 20 years getting by it's like you don't know that that's ever gonna happen again It's very fucking tempting. Yeah, yeah, but more than that I think I just wanted it for so long and then when it came I was already in a crumbling marriage You know we were already at our end of the road and then this hit when we were just struggling to hold on to our marriage And then they drinking and everything magnifies Yeah, I just wasn't the person that I set out to be anymore I had such great intentions, you know when I got started I was a hippie I was all about love and equality and positivity and hope and then all of a sudden it just I lost the message I lost it again I happen don't you want to talk about Paula but I did not have any idea that you guys have been together for 21 years that Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, and you were what 14 and she was 16 when you met?

We met you 14 and 15 again out at a nightclub at 14 at a nightclub owned by David Faustino It's called ballistics it was a club for teenagers. That was my spot. Oh my god I was with a girl for nine years. She met me I was a fucking loser I then became successful while I was with her and one of the things that really broke my heart about that not working out is I cherished the idea that this person knew me from the get and was along for the ride and knew the real me Yeah, and I hated losing that.

Yeah. Well, you know what's funny is that because we both were in the business we both changed the business does change your Outlook your desires it changes the way you think about yourself It just changes things and her and I had so much love and positivity and the quintessential Hollywood romance I helped her with her lines before auditions. She helped me with my choruses when I got stuck I mean we live the dream then it didn't work anymore The great thing is is I've been lucky enough to find somebody in April who could care less about yeah about that stuff She likes the father in me. She likes all the other things on my purse my sense of humor and what a dad I am she could care less if I ever hit a stage again Well, the thing that you just kind of said which is so true is it's a business that actually requires you to think about yourself Right, and to fucking much way too much But it is almost a requirement of the job like you can't do show up on stage and have not thought about what you're gonna Look like not thought about what you're crafting all that stuff.

Yeah vanity is an ugly ugly thing Yeah, I've you started to embrace getting older. Yeah, it just happened to me I saw gray in the side of my hair and I was like I think I'm gonna keep it now. I'm ready I'm still working on myself image. Yeah, I'm too extreme with myself.

I either love it or I hate it I gotta find a steady horse in the middle neutral ground Yeah, I'm getting to a neutral I finally have shed it off a lot of the weight this last year because of the not drinking and and just taking better care of myself But really the best thing like I said has just been able to laugh at my imperfections And that's been the biggest change that I you know Just wanted to be so cool and so perfect and so fly that I didn't want him to know I had a limp in my knee I didn't want anyone to know that now I'm like, you know what? I'm a dad It's all I'm just letting it all wash off and I'm holding on to whatever bit of cool Over dear life, but that's what's cool I read it right and then that becomes cool Mm-hmm, and that's what I realized is that when I was trying to be cool I was actually turning people off. Yeah, I didn't realize it if I just would have been myself and I would have slowed everything down But I had to be something all the time. There's freedom and letting it all go man.

Yeah, yeah You're kind of sending a signal like I love me. So I'm worthy of love and you're probably gonna love me too. Yeah, you know, I'm not so bad Yeah, there's worse. There's worse out there.

Yeah, okay So you have a new album for the first time in six years on earth and in heaven Yes, and you collaborate again with for else first time since Yeah, well actually we started this record in the same sessions as blurred lines back in the day We did three days and we wrote three songs This was one of them and then we got together four years ago went back in the studio added horns and guitar I did a cooler intro and just made the record come alive And then I just put it in my pocket and I was holding it until I finished the album which I finally did and what was it like? This process is life so different now. It's all very different and I'm just still adjusting to it first time I put it out mountain. There's no celebration.

There's no party. There's no friends around. There's no Andre You know dad, so it's all very new and sometimes looks a little sad But I keep putting my energy into my kids and into my friendships and the time that I missed with Andre The times I miss with my dad cuz I was drunk or I was hungover I was didn't like the way I looked and I didn't spend time with them Yeah, yeah now I don't want to ever be like that again and miss an opportunity to spend quality time with people I love yeah So really quick the mass singer so here's what I know about the mask center singer when I go on I'd say once a week I go on Twitter and most of the questions are are you this week's mass singer? I can't tell you how often people and I'm the worst singer in the world.

You'll know if I'm ever on it I'll start guessing you were off It's a real phenomenon on that show right people just they have to know who it is Yeah, it's fun. Who's been the funnest mass singer thus far? Well, I mean we just actually wrapped last night. Oh, you did?

Yeah season five. Do you have an audience? No, the audience is filmed from previous shows. Oh, that's well virtually set in so we're just there the panel We have our social distancing and you know we get tested every day on set and everything So we feel safe and I'm so lucky to have a job right now It's just nice to have a job.

Oh, we feel the exact same way Yeah, the fact that we were able to pivot and do this over zoom has been so lucky So who was the biggest mass singer the biggest? Well, I can't talk about anybody from this season of course But little Wayne was great for me. I didn't guess little Wayne and he's one of my favorite artists of all time We've done six records together. I was gonna say you guys have worked Yeah, and I did not recognize little Wayne But you know just having like Patti LaBelle and Gladys Knight and you know being able to see these people in person sing for us in a B costume, you know, it's so outrageous and fun and the reason that I think it's been a great success too is because the panel We're so goofy and silly.

We're not taking it serious except for the journeys and the motions that are coming from the stories But we're up there just laughing our butts on who are you proudest of yourself for guessing Bob Saggot? Because I was a family friend for many years. So I got Bob But is it because he said fucking cock sucker time to the song or God? I love Bob.

He's just a great guy Oh, it's the dreamiest gig ever. It's awesome I mean just laughing with Ken and wearing a suit and trying to guess who's under the mask. It's the best job ever at Yeah, I hope you get a hundred seasons out of it. Yeah, we gotta put the girls through college now, you know Seasons 8 through 12 will be for that you can circle that alright Well, everyone should check out on earth and in heaven no chips on your shoulder just a nice positive.

Yeah I know I'm impressed that you're talking to us after the few years you had there, man It's really impressive. Well, you know, I got some great advice from Jay Z to name drop because I signed with his management company When my manager passed away and he just gave me some great advice It's like whatever you've been through you need to let people know if you want to be embraced if you want to get back out There and you want to put your music and put yourself back out there be willing to tell the truth Yeah, and that was good advice did the note rhyme He's my number one he oh my god, he is Picasso walking around I Yeah, he sees the world with such Consideration he is so considerate and thoughtful just like Barack Obama or Michelle about like that kind of every room They walk into they know who they are they don't change who they are they give you Positive energy and some form of good advice, you know five minutes ten minutes from Jay Z is lifetime advice, you know We're dying to have a man. Yeah, please please call him when we hang up and tell him that he needs the exposure, you know He really does I think he's just about to make it He's at a different point and I think this show this show taken right over the top yeah He would have one point four billion dollars in our show instead of one point three well listen Robin huge pleasure talking to you I wanted to say to you too, you know when I heard about your story of last year and turning it into this and being able to tell your truth What my album and what I've been doing is taking everything life is throwing at me or that I've thrown it myself and turning it into something positive You know now you're helping people you're turning what you've been through into something positive And I want to you know say thank you and give you a lot of credit for that It's hard to do thank you brother Yeah, because you growing up with Austin Green and a band and your dad's on TV I can't relate at all but the fucking shitty three years and your dad and mentor Yeah, now you have something to help me with you know yeah, yeah now my records will make sense to you now You know it was funny about that at that time I had never even tried it never even tried it when I wrote the song It was about the dangers and the luring possibilities because I had started to see it around me And I saw it as a very dangerous thing and that's what that song is about it is indeed dangerous as most fun things are Well, thank you so much Monica. Thank you Love Stay tuned for more farm share expert if you dare And now my favorite part of the show the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman Editors note about this fact check we were doing it as if it were for another guess But we still enjoy so much of the stuff that was talked about during it that we're gonna leave it in But if you're hearing the ding ding ding ding going those are not ding ding ding things for Robin thick you're right And now I give you the wrong fact check She's so fine.

There's no telling where the money went Super irresistible Hi, we decided diarrhea can really be described as irresistible you can't resist When it's when it's there it's undeniable that it's irresistible and I don't think many people have previously labeled diarrhea is irresistible So I feel like we're on to something novel and proprietary my god N&P as we always always strive to do N&P is N&P. Yes, it's yet another notch in our N&P So we're still far away from each other 2000 miles as the crow flies you went to the mall Outdoor went to an outdoor mall to just walk around You know get back to basics really yeah, remember who brought you to the day That's right and we're double mask and I went into a store and I bought a mug that has two hedgehogs hugging and it says hedgehugs Yeah, I wait well first of all you are the perfect person to have that But I was also trying to think who else like if you had a gift that to anyone we know who would you give it Kristen Kristen She likes animals a lot. Yeah, she does she does but I'm I want someone with more of a child like Okay, maybe Molly would be the perfect recipient like hedgehugs. Yeah, very innocent I'm feeling guilty like I should give it to her.

Yeah, she's picking me up from the airport Oh my god. She is well You should definitely present her with that that but I want to drink out of it right now Well drink out of it then wrap it up and send it'll be like the left hand amongst we sell I'm so torn. I'm so torn My love of gift giving is really conflicted with my desire to keep that adorable mug the unstoppable force is meeting the immovable object So you're your number one calling card is your gift giving and then you're also a brat So that's the that's the immovable object. So what will be a brat to want to keep the thing you bought for yourself with your own money No, no, no, no, no, no, no, but you're a little mouse.

It's like I want that way. I'm gonna get that lamp Yes, I am, but I'm not a little mouse that says I want that lamp. I need that lamp No, you don't want anyone to buy it for you. That's not what you're asking for.

That's me's bratty. Yeah, well, mm-hmm Okay, bratty is also just a tiny bit where you go like that's way too expensive. Who cares? I want it.

That's a little bratty, right? Interesting. We have different We have different definitions. We are differential to bratty is we have different definitions of bratty.

Yeah, well, okay Let's take a few steps back. Do you want to dance? Sure, of course. Yes.

Okay, I can break this up. So one is you were spoiled Not now you're not because you're a woman of means but you were spoiled as a kid your mom would run upstairs and make you milk Shitty scream better. You got a bunch of money from your grandma for more reason You're pretty spoiled by my recollection. You got cars given to you didn't have to buy them.

Yeah, those things are all true that you just said Yes, okay, okay. Are you offended yet? No, I'm just repeating some stuff. I know about you I'm not offended.

Okay, it's all relative Actually just having this conversation because she even said like remember when you were younger you'd always want stuff And I'd say no like she acknowledges that about her. Yeah, like like designer clothes and design are limited to what that's not I'm sure when you were in junior high in high school. That was the shit. No Was it not?

Yeah, it was it was but it I don't know that I could I could ethically qualify it as designer now That I know what that means right like you weren't the second-hand store no came hard or big lot I had some pants from Sam's goody Sam goodies Did you do any pants from big lots? I don't think so, but all my furniture for college came from big lots. Okay, right? Yeah, really trusted name and college furnishings.

Oh, yeah, so one is I was very privileged. I was okay I don't I don't know that I would well I know what tricky I know why you know why you know why you just said it relative because there were other people in your school that were more Spoiled there were kids that probably had sports cars Oh, I mean the reason my mom is acknowledging that she didn't do that is because my friends got those things so relative to them You know she buy me like a shirt and they would get 40 shirts and so I did not feel spoiled I'm now having like a real-time realization. Okay, I have the problem, which is I Don't think I deserve things like I have to really wrestle with buying it. Well, you know my Mercedes station I wanted it for six years I could have afforded it for 15 years and I wouldn't buy it for myself for some reason I was like you know deserve a fucking Mercedes AMG So eventually Kristen bought it with money she and I both made on these commercials But I don't know that I would ever bought it and I realized that's my baggage I don't think I feel worthy of a lot of things and so I think your baseline is healthier like the lamp is a funny one Because you go like always saw this lamp, but it's way too expensive.

I'm gonna get it I just think of myself in that situation and it's just so foreign to me I would go like oh my god. I really want that lamp, but there's no way I can't buy a lamp That's expensive. You know what I'm saying like I go through this whole thing. Yeah, yeah, I don't have much of that I do I I have a oh my god, this lamp is so expensive I can't afford it if I can't afford it right and that's like practical.

It's like oh I want that that's so expensive But I can't afford it. It's not oh my god. I want that. It's so expensive So I shouldn't buy it.

I shouldn't buy it because it's so expensive. I don't have that I have like I can buy it or I can't buy it Right, right. Well in in tied to some of that is you don't have the same fear of Financial in security as I do because you've had much security so you if you can afford it You don't go I can afford this today, but what about it for months? What if I don't work as much?

Well, I'd be regret we're grateful I spent the money on this expensive lamp and I didn't prepare for the future Like I guess that's in my calculus at all times, too If I was only acting I would I would feel a lot more scared to make big purchases like that But since I have a consistent job I feel much more willing to and getting deeper than that I guess what I really don't have a fear of is finding employment, right? Like I really really don't have a fear at all that I'll be someone who can't get a job And that is probably airgun I'm sure it is and I'm not saying I'll have the best job, but I know tomorrow I can I can get a job somewhere even if it's a feed yourself exactly I know that I'm capable of doing that. I'm really super scared sure that'd be yeah, that'd be great close Is it close where there's a peer when so close was by the way places almost invisible that pure one is it not a pure one, right? Every time I pass it I'm like how long does that place been closed?

I'm gonna take the sign down. There's never been a car in the parking lot It is looked closed for the 16 years. I've lived in Los Salas Yes, but it's not it's still kicking and it's in the shadow of my 7-eleven and which is a very dicey place Yes, you know, I've had some physical altercations there. I've had a lot of stuff happen at that 7-eleven Yeah, it's kind of why I like it.

I told you right when Aaron and I retire we're gonna work at 7-eleven Oh, that would be fun because we figured out that's where you see the shit like stuff is going down at 7-eleven like every 45 minutes in LA I can't speak for other places, but there's much activity. I tend to avoid it Yeah, there's like people are passed out in some of the aisles. There's office fights There's like sex acts going on. There's people showering in the commode There's I mean it is just there's so much a fervor of activity at all times speaking of ding ding ding sort of I was watching with my parents the Dock on the hotel Cecil in Los Angeles.

Oh my god I mean I knew the story about the girl who gets put in the water tank Yeah, but there's just so much that goes on in that hotel. Yes, because it's right off skin row Yeah, a lot of a lot of stuff of action a lot of action. You might want to consider retiring there instead We might take a night shift there and a day shift at 7-eleven or just keep it light and do three and three Oh, wow, okay. I have so many ideas about my retirement another one is what you know about is some I've long fantasized about when I retire volunteering to mow the lawn at the veterans cemetery on will we'll share in the 405 there Because I love mowing grass so much and it is in nor it's the biggest plot of grass in Los Angeles and every time I drive over that Pass I'd be like me.

I want to write a lawn mower there for a few hours a day This is a ding ding ding and I'll tell you why because you tend to think much more about work about whether you're going to about retirement Like I've litter and you're older than me. So no, thanks for reminding me. No, I'm saying you're older than me So maybe that's why I have about to say I've literally never ever ever ever thought about what I will do in my retirement Right. Yeah, that comes with age.

I'm saying I don't think it's that I think it's back to the obsession of like having enough So that I can make it to that period where then I don't have to worry like retirement to me symbolize this a period where you don't Yes, yeah, yeah, the full security. Yeah, and in that time I'd like the mow the grass work at 7-eleven I also want to drive a cab and not an uber okay Okay, because again people are like people plan to get in an uber sometimes people are jumping in a cab because they just committed a crime They're trying to get away from somebody there's like again. It's just a hotbed for action a cab Well, I'm a little sad that those are your plans because I don't know that we're gonna be that close anymore if those are your plans Because I can't be there for any of that. I'm not interested in any of the things you just said it is not for you But I'll only work like four hours a day.

It's my retirement. So there'll be all kinds of social time It sounds like it will probably lead to your demise pretty quickly. No, no If there's anyone that was born to navigate stressful violent situations It's Aaron I would make it feel better if we were together at all times like that also be interesting you get in a cab And the cab driver always has his friend with him. Yeah, that would make me feel very Maybe it is that he has a job at 7-eleven I have a job at the big hotel and like we just hang with each other during each other's shifts You know like we're not even officially both employed there.

We're just together like he's got his 7-eleven vest on and I don't I'm in like a flannel Life I really hope you enjoy it. Why do you think you're not gonna be a part of it? Just that's just four hours a day. I'd be like if I took up golfing most seniors take up golfing which takes like five and a half hours a day I just have a feeling it's gonna change you.

Oh really? I do Kind of got I guess like enjoy the time we have together, but you think for the worst I think it's a way for me to be of service. Yeah, I think it will be of service I think it's gonna harden you a little bit in a way that might make it less enjoyable to Have social time. I might bring the job home.

I do think that okay. Okay. Okay. The things I've seen the horrors I said 7-eleven in my cab.

That's right. All right, circling back you are oh my god This is a ding ding ding cuz this is oh my goodness. There's so many things So many things ting ding ding ding ding Tingles this is a chatter this is something that goes on in your head There's a non-stop chat or happening about this I've had more conversations with myself in my head about this retirement plan that I've had in real life about my children's Like I can tell you like probably three to one. Yeah, and just and your feeling of money and work.

Oh It's the ultimate chatter. I will say though great great strides for me personally over the last few years I'm all but over that that's great as you've seen me spend recently I mean about a beautiful motor home I've been wanting for a decade that I never would let myself get and I don't look at it and go like oh that wasn't safe Which is great in the past I would look at that and said like oh that makes me feel unsafe. Yeah, can I also love my lamp It's fucking beautiful. It's worth every penny.

It really was a great purchase and I think it might even be gaining value Exactly. Thank you for saying that. It's a great investment that way. Yeah, you know, it's also, you know You know your whole theory about which comes oh my god.

I'm almost embarrassed to say it, but this is a Came up in this episode where you're talking about being tall and like if someone says you're sure you just like it Just rolls off your back cuz you could care less cuz you know It's not true and it's interesting because knowing myself I should be getting a little more agitated by you saying I'm spoiled or brat Oh, like there's a little something that peaks, but yeah, but I think for me It's it's that tall now. Maybe you're not gonna like this, but I'm just like I'm not I'm not yeah That's great. I love that because I don't want at all I'm not trying to make you feel bad at all. Yeah I just hear these what I think are adorable stories about you shouting at your mother that you need milkshakes And that's just a funny to me and bratty but in a very cute way that is a course bratty.

Yes, like make me a milkshake Yes, but that's like a funny story, you know, also like what were we watching and we found out there wasn't another episode And you had a tantrum you're in that was deserved Right, but I have a tantrum is you know, it's it's one of the hallmarks of Right, but sometimes I wonder if you're leaning into it. Yeah, it was also making everyone laugh and I was joking It was a performance really it was well I was let's be honest was it 30% real and 70% performance and the emotion there was real but the physical tantrum was all a performance Right in a great. I thought it was kind of like doing a character which you always wanted to do It was a great one. It was the character was brat.

It was your bratty character was too good of acting and you thought it was me This happens. Yeah, okay. Do you want to know? I feel like this is gonna backfire, but I have one more example I could be bratty was you went on this family vacation to New York and you guys were all sharing a hotel room and You just you had enough and you just checked out moved on the street.

I did it's it's it's funny I love it and it's it's a little bratty, right? Yeah, it is But I think you would have done the exact same thing. I'm bratty, but you know you hear me I constantly am You know I'm ready as I bring it up all the time like oh I was really bratty on set or I'm about to be bratty Like I'm gonna high alert for when I'm bratty and I am I am bratty. Yeah for sure.

I'm entitled I'm um, you know, I'm delusionally entitled. I mean I don't think I have to do anything anyone else does like I do not have to wait In traffic I understand traffic is a real thing, but I don't have to wait in it I will ride a motorcycle so I don't have to I just I am so entitled and I'm so bratty about so many things Okay, then I'm definitely bratty too, then if you are I'd be a cool club that we're in the brats Yeah, remember the brat pack should be the bratty pack. Yes, they didn't mind being there was no shame in being in the brat pack Or you'll just have like you'll have like a long story that involve like a food item that wasn't warming up for something And it'll be like a whole thing I drove all the way over there and I was desiring this thing and then I got there and then the macho was blah blah blah You know, there's there's oh I never realized that these are the things I always think are really adorable about you though And I always call it out. Oh, you'll be like really revved up about it like a you know dessert item that wasn't on the menu that day Oh all time.

They'll be like there'll be a thing about all time. Oh, yeah They didn't have the pudding for a while. It's very upset by that. Yes, yes, yes, yes, exactly Yeah, sure that yeah, that's all truth.

No, but you hear me say it I'm like furious that that fucking kabooly sale is sometimes available It's squirrel and other times not and there's no explanation is the some the ingredients don't seem that scarce to me that this would not be a consistent item I offer it's very bratty to me. I guess I guess it is I never thought of it as bratty But that's the definition we're going with then then you then I am yes Yeah, like I'm like put out by this menu item I think it's funny. Yeah, I think a lot of people just be like oh, it's not on the yeah, they didn't have it This is a bad thing to say but I don't want to live like I don't I don't want to not care about the pudding like I like that Yes, well here lies part of our reoccurring thing is so often I make observations that I do believe you think our character assessments Like for me being bratty isn't even a negative thing. It's just like an observation about We feel that there is injustice sometimes about very trivial things which is funny and bratty But it's not a character assessment.

It's not like oh, I think less of you because you're mad about the bread pudding I have just observed it butterscotch, but yeah, I wouldn't have care But bratty is considered a negative trait. Yeah, yeah, but so is entitlement But again, I don't think I'm a bad person cuz I'm entitled I think I'm aware that I'm entitled although I will say even entitlement is worse to me on the spectrum than bratty is for me for sure it is I don't know that I think you are I wouldn't have said that that I'm entitled I mean when you use that when you use the example of a car's yes But I don't think of you as an entitled person There are people I think of as entitled people that I know and I would not put you in that category at all Yeah, we almost need a third rail because yes, some people have done nothing and think they deserve a lot That's a me is entitlement. That's what in time the definition is to me Right, so here is my most recent bout with entitlement I drive all the way to Utah and check into the hotel for our stay while shooting in Utah and it's a dump It's a dump. It's a dump.

Here's the level of which is a dump. There's no Kleenex in the room Like I need Kleenex I've allergies I'm constantly going on my nose and I'm like Oh, this place doesn't even have Kleenex and then I and then I go in my head Well, I know that sag requires that they put you in at least like three or four star accommodations So now I'm starting going through the reasons that I deserve to be in a better hotel than this I'm building a case for why I am entitled to be somewhere else and I'm always trying to check my readiness and entitlement So I want to compose a text message to the producer Jamie who I love and it's so goddamn helpful and wonderful And so I'm trying to compose this text for I don't know 25 minutes where I can basically tell them I hate the so tell I want to be in a much nicer hotel without sounding like an asshole And it's taking me so long to figure out a way to do that without sounding like an asshole that I just get the idea Maybe I should Google Hotels near me to make sure that this isn't actually the best option I do that and it turns out it was the best option so they couldn't have put me anywhere else But I did have a good half hour where I felt like there was an injustice that they were trying to cheat me that they were Trying to save a dollar at my expense of not having Kleenex I went through this whole thing like I've been working in this 20 years. Yeah, and then oh, you know what fucking I'll just pay for my own hotels going forward like I can afford to stay somewhere with Kleenex I'll just do it and they won't you know whatever I have that whole circus the chatter you know the chatter I actually think that story is is bratty, but it's not entitled. Okay, I think I mean yeah, we're getting into the weeds But I like that's where we love to play around in the weeds to me entitled is when you expect Something that you haven't earned like to me.

There's just such a clear difference I mean I just have people in my head who I'm like oh, they're just so entitled and it's so different to me than being bratty Like I don't even know that some of those people are bratty But they're very entitled and I would and maybe it's because I am bratty as we're discovering But I would much much prefer brattyness Okay, I'm gonna start because we gotta start we're gonna start talking about Oh my god, oh my god, what happened? So exciting happen this isn't a fact check for Ethan. This is a fact check for Robin thick. Oh my god So all these ding ding dings.

I think we should leave this we have to we have to okay now to Robin Now Robin think which I guess the good news is we talked so much, but we didn't do any facts Which is that's true, which is how I realized I just pulled up my facts and I'm like oh So how long was growing pains on the air growing pains began in? 1985 September two years before your birth, right and Final episode April 1992. Okay, seven years It was very formative in my youth because that takes me from 10 years old to 17 years old and remember Leonardo DiCaprio is on it Yeah, he was a wayward homeless kid So sexy sexy. I want to ask you a really weird bizarre question This will be like a um Jonathan height thought experiment moral thought experiment Oh, you start dating you start dating Leonardo DiCaprio you guys are even married.

We're having sex in the Tyrannosaurus Rex skull Pretty regularly. Yeah, all right So you guys are married in addition to him collecting T Rex skulls. He also collects time machines Oh, wow, you tell him oh my god. You were so cute on that episode of growing pains when you were 15 Mm-hmm, and he says I give you permission to go in the time machine and goes to do some me as my age.

Yeah Oh, no, I wouldn't do it. Okay. It's morally reprehensible So the future okay good. I'm fine with that answer I just want to see if the can the future self give consent to a young cell.

Oh, well, here's the thing I think I think we've talked about this as far as like if you were married and your wife had taken nude pictures of herself at 17 What's the moral line there to look at those and enjoy them if she goes go ahead and look at them? Yeah, they're me and we're married. Yeah, I I'm sure a lot of people are gonna have stuff to say about this I yeah, I think it's fine. There's something about going back in a time machine and actually doing it like being Because it could harm them exactly that's like that's changing the okay, but but knowing yourself, right?

So I know me at 15 you would not be harming me. I'm already fucking as often as I can I'm so into it and I would love the experience and I would buy no means would I feel preyed upon I know but just Ethically you're interacting with a teenager minor. Yeah, that's bad. But the yeah picture of your spouse Yeah, I find that I think I would even why I wish Kristen wanted to stare at the pictures of me in high school I think it's fine.

I mean I feel like that's the definitely the wrong answer, but yeah I think I would be okay with my husband Being attracted to pictures of me at a young age because here's where I would say from a moral debate stance that you could take is They're simply no victim. That's a victim that person doesn't existed for 20 years And I think I mean really you're already attracted to the person so part of it is just seeping in it's not like oh my god That random picture of a random 17 year old is high. It's like oh this person. I know and love and turned out to be this I love that person and oh my god.

They're so cute as a I don't know I just think it's different oh, I know we did have this conversation because my question to somebody we interviewed was what if You as the owner of those pictures wanted to release those pictures those are technically child pornography Yeah, I don't think that's good. Well, no, I don't well because you don't want to give fodder to the Exactly exactly but it was it's your husband. You know, they're not you know, they're a safe person like if that's yeah And they're not gonna use that to do anything weird. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, okay. All right Although you never really know because the husband if you kill the life and the kids you never know you don't know okay Who is the biggest celebrity who's been on massing? There's been a lot of people on it So like Leanne rhymes was on it Nick Carter aloe black also, so Brian Austin Green was on and yes and their best friends I really want wish I could play a clip of them rapping together, you know, they were in that wrap group I mean too, but I just can't find that and I don't know that they even recorded anything. They might have just declared they were a group Perhaps yeah, kind of like cowbell.

Well, let's see wait Brian Austin green Rap song well, he had his own little rap. Okay, then I think even wrapped on 902 and I went out with the peach bit This is sounding familiar. Oh, I loved him. Oh, I bet you did.

I looked all the guys on the app like a little bit Yeah, I liked all the guys. I liked Jason Priestley. I like Luke Perry. I like he was the best for me Yeah, so it was sexiest.

It's not unethical to talk about it a person who's deceased, right? No, okay. No, no, no, no No, what historical figure would you most want to sleep with? Oh my gosh, let's see.

Um, I got mine already I didn't think I was gonna be able to think of one, but I got mine. I think oh, I got I got three. Oh my god. Amelia Earhart Oh, really?

That's not that's not what I would have expected. Okay, Joan of Arc. Okay Cleopatra, I thought Cleopatra would be in there. Tell me about Amelia Earhart She's a beast.

She's so confident. She flew across the ocean. No woman had done it or did she? I don't know She made it she did disappear.

Oh, yeah, but to me that spells confidence and confidence to me Smells like smells a good time in the rack. That's great. Okay. I would pick the obvious like easy answer is JFK Yeah, okay.

Good. Yeah, he's your guy. Well, JFK Jr. Is my guy, but I don't know where we're counting him So JFK would be up there.

I have two suggestions. Okay. Give Julia Caesar. Wait Didn't julie Caesar stab or no?

He got mark mark Anthony stab julie a Caesar on the eyes of mine Because he was fucking Cleopatra. I believe I believe thingy dang. Oh my god. Okay, maybe and then my next one is Genghis Khan or Genghis Khan as they said in the book And I'll tell you why because he fucked so much.

I don't think anyone in history is fucking more than Genghis I don't think I would like that. Well, he would be so good at it as my assumption. Yeah, but that that no I don't it's a turn off for you I don't like I'm talking about just the experience though. Yeah, just a physical experience of sexy Yeah, I mean, I think I would okay if it's just sex I'm just a good J.

Okay on that. Oh, or what about MLK? I might be very interested. Well, he fucked a ton too I mean, that's not why it's that like they especially him like I would be so attracted to his goodness, you know, like oh, he's changing the world He's so good.

But that wouldn't extend to Gandhi though. Yeah, but that would be strong. Yeah, it's strong. Yeah, it's strong.

Yeah, okay Gandhi but Gandhi was arguably better than him. Okay, even as far as this meant how many people he helped But he was 600 million people. I just don't think he would want to have sex with me. No, he seems like a terrible way.

No, don't say that Yeah, he doesn't even look like he's amazing. He's on a hunger strike. I don't get a wreck He's fragile You can't give up that he would be a terrible Okay, I just think he has other priorities. Yeah, he has other priorities I'm trying to think of like a um brilliant scientist.

Like maybe Einstein. He looks so crazy like what I'd be scared of him I don't know but more like Isaac Newton, maybe yeah, we're at a sin. Okay, that's freaky Galileo the problem with a lot of the great enlightened and rather the Renaissance people uh Leonardo da Vinci Many of those guys are gay. Oh, right.

He did have a beautiful body. He posed for a lot of who da Vinci Yeah, what about like um Hemingway to to moncho? Oh, he's not for me. Van Gogh.

Van Gogh. Van Gogh was weird Yeah, the artists are odd. I think I would be more attracted to one of the scientists Yeah, I think I think let's just stick with JFK. This is a fun game.

This should be like a um, abort game I gotta keep thinking on this because there's so many people I have I'm just not my brain isn't yeah But i'm missing hold that okay and JFK. Oh, this is a very provocative. Oh, okay. Yeah, this is dangerous.

Jesus Oh, no Wow, but you'd have to imagine if he truly was a son of god. He would be transcendent in the rack Especially if he's the son of god. No, why why can't the son of god have sex? No, he can but I don't want to have sex with him.

That's like a lot of pressure. Like if I did something a little wrong, he wouldn't like it He would ban a few to hell But but Jesus the real Jesus the historical figure. Yeah. Yeah, maybe well, it's a good one on your list He would have had a night wearing at a party mediterranean look and I and I would have liked that probably yeah beautiful olive skin soft beautiful hair Okay, the reason I'm scared about JFK well lots because you know there's stuff that's come out about him That's not great.

But also on the crown is the depiction of him on the crown is not great Like he was not nice to his wife. Well, that's very well documented. He was a shitty husband. Well, yeah, the crown I doubt the crown Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah, the crown does really good research. I think everything on the crown is pretty much exactly correct So I'm only saying they didn't break any new ground with that revelation. Oh, yeah No, I don't think they were trying to and they never are trying to I think they're really just trying to show that But seeing it was not great. Yeah, JFK his worst thing was probably not even how he treated his wife There was a 16-inch piece on that woman who lost her virginity to him in the pool of the White House Okay, well, we've said it.

Well, we we really have said it all we've said two fact checks worth of stuff and And a great exploration both morally and historically there's no more facts for Robin I really really enjoyed him and I I guess I'll say maybe this isn't nice to say But I had a different expectation of what the interview was gonna be and who he is and I was really like oh my gosh I like this person exact same experience. It reversed a lot of preconceived notions. I had about who he was Yeah, same same same same thing same thing. All right.

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